you would've bought the PS3 for the same price as a 360 a year later with these games, less online functionality and no rumble if the PS3 didn't have Blu-ray?

like all your arguments here, i think that only says things about you. you and your particular situation. thats nice and all (who's going to argue about your particular proclivities?) but the joystiq post, and our arguments to it, are about gamers as a whole.

as for the PS3 matching expectations of the brand, well the fact that its the *third* machine of the PLAYstation brand brings a lot of legacy. the Playstation legacy USED to mean the number one source of games, affordability and 100% backward compatibility.

with the PS3 that is no longer the truth.



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Vidi, why do gamers have to bite on a format hook at all? his point is exactly that, we shouldn't.

earlier, you qualified your PS3 purchase with "i had to get an HD player anyway" so you yourself just acknowledged what the PS3's actual core value actually is.

you finally mentioned some games in your argument, but none of those games justify the price of a PS3 without it also being a movie player. compare that to the competition where its value is centered 100% on games.

you keep taking shots at nintendo, but thats your fault, everyone knows what to expect from the Wii. how many people care that the Wii can't even play DVDs?


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"....on a videogame blog"

dismissing games but talking about movies. again.

i remember when gamers cared about games.

there weren't posts and posts about PS2's DVD playback, it used to be a bonus, not the reason to get one. not anymore. now the majority percentage of posts about PS3 are about it's movie playing.

it's really sad to me that any discussion about *games and PS3* are most likely about delays, letdowns, inferior comparisons or whats coming seasons from now.

i hope its clear to everyone by now, what exactly it was we paid for.



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don't believe the hype.

again, unless you need to plug into a digital-only Apple Cinema Display or other niche case, the 360 does full 1080p for games through component fine out the gate.


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huh? new TVs aren't dropping component, its not going away. any new TV will have component inputs. two or three even.

um, its because they're spending it right?

really, after xmas.

once again Sony, impeccable timing.



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Vidi, an argument with so many "ifs" is what doesn't hold much water.

PSN is free because it has to be. it doesn't have near the features XBL does, not even a headset (did you include that in your cost breakdown?). it simply can't compete on features much less command a cost.

the BR player argument has been brought up to death, but i will say this, at least online gaming has to do with gaming. despite what Sony told us, as yet, BR has barely mattered for gaming, (certainly a lot less than XBL has mattered) - the oft mentioned PSN enabled WarHawk almost fits on a a CD.



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Vidi, even though you may not agree, i don't put the Wii and the 360/PS3 as competitors in the same market.

The Wii deliberatly chose not to compete in HD and online gaming, two things at their core, that the 360 and PS3 are supposed to be about. at less than half the price of the PS3 at their launch, that pretty much a given. the Wii doesn't even play DVDs, but unlike the 360 and PS3, no one expects it to.

a year after and hundreds of dollars more than the 360, people most certainly expected the PS3 to compete with it. and now, a year after its launch, it still doesn't match its abilities.




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