The Droid Incredible by HTC?

The Incredible Droid by HTC?

I dunno...

@(Unverified)

That is right on the money. Motorola has stated (and HTC has inferred) that there are only "so many combinations" of keyboards, and screens, etc. and that the way they intend to differentiate themselves is through software. The Sense UI is just that software. It is what makes a person (or not) buy an HTC handset over a competing phone with WinMo or Android. Of course the downside to that is, it is also the reason that the MyTouch 3g and the Eris are running 1.5 (cupcake) and not at least 1.6 (Donut). (I guess that is the "cost" of your phone "getting YOU" but... that is a whole other discussion).

So, yes, (Unverified) is right, based on that strategy, HTC would in fact be shooting themselves in the foot, not to mention, that they would be forced to support the Sense UI widgets across a broad spectrum of platforms, instead of knowing it is only on 1.5 until they are damn good and ready to release a version that runs on 1.6, because right now, until they are ready, all the phones they produce are going to remain stuck right there.

@egloskerry OK, Opera was a "for sale" browser... how long ago? Back before Mozilla? Yet Somehow Firefox now has how much market share and still Opera lingers below even Safari and Chrome.

On the mobile side Opera has benefitted from years of neglect of the WinMo platform, where Opera became the choice over the completely worthless IE Mobile. But now with the browsers that are built into the iPhone and Android devices, I see little reason for Opera (well except maybe still on WinMo devices)

Just my personal opinion of course.

(And yes, I know that the logins go through the ISPs, and that is a necessary evil I cannot get around... but there is no reason it needs to go to yet another server)

I guess I am weird, but I couldn't care less. Yes, I looked for it on my old WinMo phone... but that was because IE Mobile was just that awful, but even then I had to think about it.

On the Desktop, Opera garners insignificant usage (at best), why does anyone think that this is better than say the Pre, iPhone or Android Browser?

I mean besides Turbo Mode, which I would never use (why would I want where I am browsing, and password and such passing through a 3rd party server?), I don't think it has been any better than the top line browsers.

@soydeedo I'm not so sure that your argument is correct (though I do see your point). Samsung has some other... shall we call it timing issues with the Behold II... launching the Behold II with 1.5 (because of TouchWiz) while simultaneously updating the Moment to 1.6 would certainly raise complaints from some users (and reviewers)... so they may have just opted to hold it off for now... and in reality the reason would still be (granted an underlying reason) because of the SKINS. Just look at how many people are clamoring for 1.6 (at least) on the Hero since they can already get it from HTC on the G1... see what I mean?

@(Unverified) Bada is not the answer if the are going to throw TouchWiz on top of it.

@jmdsdf Perhaps because all you are getting is a "really good look" at a "really bad UI" I suspect that takes away from the experience.

@zeesix "Hardware wise it is nice" ... well except for the slow processor... oh and the extra useless button... but it has more ram... though only allegedly... that is a lot of compromise to "nice"

So, take away the UI... and the extra button and what you have is... every other Android device. Thus the reason why this phone gets hammered. Everything (except for the AMOLED) that was done to make this phone "different" or (allegedly) "better" than other devices are done poorly. And the AMOLED screen alone is not worth the premium.

@CJ It becomes a negative when it detracts from the usability of the phone. "More Buttons" isn't the problem, more buttons in an ergonimic and design disaster that adds nothing to the mix *IS* a problem.

@(Unverified) If you say so... again, for me, I don't find it so much easier that this is such a talked about feature. Obviously some people like it, and that is fine... so now it has it... hopefully that is the end of this discussion because for all this phone does, it seems silly to dwell so much on this single point that every story about the Droid has to have this point drilled into it.