You might be able to throw, but you need a man if you want to toss.

Where do you THINK the phrase comes from anyways? There's a reason we have at least one really strong arm and it has nothing to do with monkeys at the zoo.

That's a damn funny title for the engadget crew. I'd appreciate it now. Praising the originality and making Thomas own in means we might see less repetition down the road.

Go Thomas, it's your birthday.

At least somebody handed in their sony sux card and stopped paying dues. As an exercise in tolerance look at what you see in the article and imagine what it would say if the thing made calls and only had one button on the front, then be grateful you managed to skip another fruit war.

The sony looks sweet. This one just has a different color scheme and is sized for people who can't see their hand in front of their face in a well lit room.

Look! Free Publicity! He's giving a depo guys, people do it more than once a day. It's not as much fun as sex, but if you're in the right business it's almost as profitable.

If Steve Jobs went to jail he would probably sell MORE iPods. It starts with a shuffle smuggled in here or there...then it's up to nano's and more sophisticated bribery...sooner or later Steve walks out with a limp, a pimp stick, and the guard blushes when Steve calls him sweetlips.

Sarcasm detector failing... IE + WMP = ONLY on windows with a bunch of punk IT cops making things like webpages only work on those devices. Safari + iTunes = works on Mac OS X and Windows... so what we really need is a UMPC that runs windows, iTunes, and is a phone! Because...all those legal monopolies are just doing great with those little anti-trust lawsuits.

Be nice Steve, otherwise Masturbation Partners will jack you when you ask for Palms former IP to run on the iPhone.

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AS STATED DO NOT UPDATE

Come on engadget. How about a little fact checking?

Apple releases an update, it breaks ringtones, engadget posts the blurb about 'new breakage' and then UPDATE: 'some stuff we heard about works around it'.

How about testing it?

You have phones. Think about the people who do not read the comments and just update their software based on 'UPDATE: 'workaround found''. You think they're going to slip you some hot Santa Rosa lovin after they lost their ability to make ringtones because they read your story? There is no 'after the jump disclaimer' that says 'read all the comments before trusting anything we say'.

The hacks are not working. They may work later, but they don't work now and there is no guarantee they will. You might do yourself a favor and post:

UPDATE 2: 'hacks are not working'

Later you can have an entirely different story about the hack that works. I'd love to read it.

Apple could have fixed issues with ringtones as such 7.4 (ringtones available) 7.4.1 (fixed library conflicts), 7.4.2 (employed stik atom and expanded range of ringtones available with high quality DRM addition to non-fairplay songs).

Did Apple have to break the ringtones to fix the other issues? Of course not. We're stuck in the PSP world of SONY vs Sony Customers, only this time it's Apple reaming us with the iPipe.

What you really need to do is at least try feeble sarcastic social engineering.

HEADLINE: iTunes 7.4.2 only prevents ringtones working.
UPDATE: Old Ringtone hack found to work (click read to see details)
UPDATE 2: Ringtone hack ONLY works on phones that have NOT been jailbreakoden
UPDATE 3: Ringtone hack ONLY works on phones that have NOT been jailbrokedon (it's its) and NOT UNSHACKLED
UPDATE 4: Ringtone hack ONLY works on phones that have NOT been jailbroke, unshackled, AND SIM unlocked.
UPDATE 5: Ringtone hack ONLY works on phones that have NOT been jailbroken, unshackled, SIM unlocked, had third party applications installed, output video, share wirelessly to Apple TV, act as a modem, support stereo bluetooth, support bluetooth syncing and filetransfer, have voicedialing, and are $25 cheaper as of tomorrow.

But hey....I know it's hard to test stuff when you can barely fit into the Steve Jobs brand jeans. Oh man....please DO NOT throw in a round of 'engadget giveaway 1984: Grand Prize - Steve Job's Turtleneck and Jeans.....'

So if you read the comments you saw before this that HACKS DON'T WORK AS DESCRIBED, and if you edit this then throw in a prominent UPDATE ok?

Oh yeah... I didn't test it. Did you?

Apple is dead, dying, gone, etc. What does palm have for a market share? It's not like they aren't getting some of the best crooks...erm minds in the business. Palm is a company that has a ton of great third party apps and software (yes, I'm talking about using Palm OS) and too many products of the wrong kind.

People criticize the iPhone for being simplistic, not open to developers, and lacking basic features (correct on both counts). Palm is in the other boat (not the 'one slowly sinking'), they have everything they could want from field use medical software to GPS. If they just managed to buy out some of the better third party apps instead of making bundling deals, simplified their line to a one (1) real phone and one (1) PDA with each being complete, then they would have a chance to at least exist in a niche market.

With Palm phones I have always looked at the features missing from each model or only available on the wrong network, although not network dependent features, and decided to 'wait for the next product'. There just hasn't been a next.

Who wants a phone or PDA where you not only have to learn different input methods, but also need to learn different operating systems?

Simplify, load up, sell in volume, just put out a decent product at a good price. Your best friends were users and hackers, not telcos. Running windows on a phone doesn't make it a more desirable phone or PDA. Either Palm gets some guidance that does not include listening to every idiot in the world or they are going to have all their IP sold off at auction.

Who trusts Elevation Partners? Is that big words for High Fools?

Damn.....can the whining hater and the 'santa rosa after the jump gadgebois just stfu'? Really? It's like a BAD spike lee movie up in this place.

Microsoft has NOTHING to do with iTunes ringtones for the iPhone. It's an operating system. Sure, you can whimper about windows this and that suxors, but come on... GET A LIFE. It's about using the iPhone and iTunes regardless of the platform.

For real...after the jump...a few 100 free gadget giveaways later... mouthful of SJizz.

Apple is feeble as all hell for not letting you convert any file you have for use as a ringtone PERIOD.

Let's wax histroicallifically fo a second now...my steaming mound of fanboioboi weakness.

1) We been making ringtones from our own songs for a long time.
2) But only as long as our phones could actually play SONGS
3) THE ONLY MARKET FOR RINGTONES (unless you are a total unbelievable idiot) was when phones could only play some rinky dink fishchereher price ding dong 3 tone midi punk songs.

Pay for a song AND a ringtone? Lick Crazy frog's questionable genitals.

I mean DAMN. 'wow a workaround...for something that should be there anyways'.

Grow a pair.

Oh yeah...and it doesn't work w/ the latest version of iTunes.

Basically

'Hi, burned yah for $200.00'

'hahah, we thought all those people who bought iPhones bought them because they wanted to rub them in our faces'

'well no, we got them because we wanted a phone'

'ah well haha it cost you $200 and I'll make a point about it because I'm a jealous weird loser who thinks everybody else is keeping up with the joneseses'

'ok....wipe that white stuff off your chin bro'


damn...

just unbelievable.

I gots one, I like it, and I ain't paying a dime for a ringtone when I actually have over $40k in music..

Oh wait... nobody would legally fill up a 160gig iPod with music.

Actually, yeah they would. And the bigger the storage the better the quality. Just cause you're so young you can't last 10 minutes don't mean you won't eventually accumulate a bunch of CD's...unless they go to the all electronic version that DOES NOT confer you any 'KYR' *lol* to make ringtones.

Damn...

Stop being babies.

Give me a car adapter for a factory or aftermarket head-unit and I'll show you EXACTLY when you're going to listen to more than 100 songs, charge your phone, and use your phone in a better manner while sharing the road.

It's not like you're going to listen to 60 gigs of music without plugging in some power. Unless you're out in the wilderness, in which case you should be heads down hiding from VP's and not wearing bright orange, you will most likely encounter another computer or audio reproduction equipment (stereo...say that word because you might forget it and confuse people when you say you need a RF-TN 4ur HT-HU+HDMI. Ok...you won't confuse people, but some marketing company will trick you into paying $100.00 US for a 6ft coax cable with different letters on the bag and a little bling to show your wall.

As to the horrible way to buy? I must have completely missed the part where they stopped you from putting songs on as many ipods as you own. What's up with that? Why would they do that... OH they didn't!. Just like not buying up the competition. in fact:

" Burn songs onto an unlimited number of CDs for your personal use, sync music to an unlimited number of iPods and play songs purchased from the iTunes Music Store on up to five Macs or Windows PCs."

http://www.apple.com/itunes/music/

Guess some people don't know the 5 real friends rule, fail to understand that drug friends aren't real, or don't trust their friends at all.

I'd want to remove the 100 song limit. If the 25 song limit could be removed then logic, with a couple of best guesses, dictates that the 100 song (not a comp-sci number) limit can also be updated to a higher capacity. Let's not forget that the hymn project had a run on itms decryption until version 6. This is a matter of snooping the update on a limited phone and some deep digging. Apple will probably allow sooner or later and the first offer might be to only allow it on unlocked phones (come into a store, get it unlocked, drool at that new slvrverevverar while you're in there HINT HINT).