http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/ Engadget Comments for Apple backtracks, updates will "most likely break" 3rd party iPhone software http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2010 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/Sep 12th 2007 3:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/Sep 12th 2007 10:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/Sep 12th 2007 11:14AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/
"So to summarize: Apple will neither forbid nor support native code on the iPhone/Touch. They will not design software updates specifically to break native apps, but if the updates happen to break native apps or your native apps turn your iPhone into a rutabaga, don't go crying to Apple, 'cause it ain't their problem. Capiche?"

This sounds much more mild. So, they change an API or so that can break apps? Sure, so an app author has to fix their app a bit, recompile and release a new version? No problem. I can't imagine it being worse than WoW UI Addons which get broken alot, but get fixed if the author is active quite fast (even though they're officially supported).]]>Sep 12th 2007 1:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/Sep 12th 2007 3:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/Sep 12th 2007 3:50AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/Sep 12th 2007 12:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/
That will only pertain to what is out right now to accomplish this_ That does not mean that the folks working to provide unlocks to the masses will totally stop because Apple or AT&T or who ever decides to change the locks_]]>Sep 12th 2007 9:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/
Oh please. The only thing AT&T is concerned about is the SIM unlock hack. They want the iPhone usable only on their network in the USA per the business contract with Apple. They are giving Apple a cut of the monthly Voice and Data service fees for this exclusivity. There is no evidence to suggest AT&T receives any cut of iTunes sales from iPhone users.

As it stands, Apple rakes in ALL revenues from any iTunes purchase (music, video, ringtones, official web applications, etc). Apple is the one with a vested interest in breaking homebrew applications and preventing users from installing their own ringtones.

Apple wants EVERYTHING installed via iTunes in order to make money off their iPhone customers. I cannot understand why some of you die-hards cannot accept the fact that Apple as a publicly traded corporate entity answerable to their shareholders would not try to get as much money as possible from their customers this way.]]>Sep 12th 2007 8:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/

Aww, whatever - who cares?]]>Sep 12th 2007 4:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/Sep 12th 2007 3:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/Sep 12th 2007 4:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/Sep 12th 2007 4:08AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/it's the official stance that the phone shouldn't work with other operators, and it's quite doable for them. the security on the device so far has seemed really, really weak...


3rd party apps need some kind of security to the phone and not everything as root, probably the main reason is that they didn't have enough time, or they chose that the phone should just have their apps and not be complicated - and that the apps should be final and the device more like device(like ipod is, it could run so much more) than a general computing platform.

which is pretty form over function, or limited functions over unlimited functions, which is modern day apple, like it or not(prime example, not being able to use any mp3 on the phone as a ringtone - extra work gone into ensuring less functionality).

]]>Sep 12th 2007 9:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/it's the official stance that the phone shouldn't work with other operators, and it's quite doable for them. the security on the device so far has seemed really, really weak...


3rd party apps need some kind of security to the phone and not everything as root, probably the main reason is that they didn't have enough time, or they chose that the phone should just have their apps and not be complicated - and that the apps should be final and the device more like device(like ipod is, it could run so much more) than a general computing platform.

which is pretty form over function, or limited functions over unlimited functions, which is modern day apple, like it or not(prime example, not being able to use any mp3 on the phone as a ringtone - extra work gone into ensuring less functionality).

]]>Sep 12th 2007 9:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/it's the official stance that the phone shouldn't work with other operators, and it's quite doable for them. the security on the device so far has seemed really, really weak...


3rd party apps need some kind of security to the phone and not everything as root, probably the main reason is that they didn't have enough time, or they chose that the phone should just have their apps and not be complicated - and that the apps should be final and the device more like device(like ipod is, it could run so much more) than a general computing platform.

which is pretty form over function, or limited functions over unlimited functions, which is modern day apple, like it or not(prime example, not being able to use any mp3 on the phone as a ringtone - extra work gone into ensuring less functionality).

]]>Sep 12th 2007 9:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/Sep 12th 2007 10:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/Sep 12th 2007 4:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/
however, it's more important for the Touch (and iPhone) because of the full-fledged browser (+ email client) with WiFi (+ cellular) data providing greater opportunities to run malicious code with "root" privileges.

until apple implements proper permission protections, there's probably zero chance of seeing a supported native app devkit, and 3rd party apps will be susceptible to update-breakage. just as 3rd party bugs could, today, through malice or incompetence, completely brick your device.

wouldn't you rather have apple developers working on fixing the permission shortcomings?
]]>Sep 12th 2007 2:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/Sep 12th 2007 4:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/Sep 12th 2007 10:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/Sep 12th 2007 12:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/Sep 12th 2007 4:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/Sep 12th 2007 7:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/Sep 12th 2007 4:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/Also, think about the new PSP Slim: new motherboard, new firmware, and it was hacked in 5 days sinc official release!]]>Sep 12th 2007 6:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/
PS! I dont even have an iPhone yet, cause I live in the far away, mythical northlands in EU. We still use horses for transport and guard the gates of kharašš with our most elite warriors.]]>Sep 12th 2007 6:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/Sep 12th 2007 6:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/bah I doubt you possess the valuable moon sapphires needed to open the gates anyway so I might as well tell you - I am located in Estonia.]]>Sep 12th 2007 7:00AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/
As far as iPhone mods go...well, Apple's hands off approach to people tinkering with the AppleTV suggests that they aren't the worst company. Though, I'd guess their contracts with ATT will obligate them to be more proactive in closing holes, particularly those of the unlocking kind. ]]>Sep 12th 2007 8:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/
Mark my words Sony, Apple, et al--we consumers will augment, implement, hack, blend, enhance, adjust, and or add any damn thing to OUR purchased item. Imagine a clothing company demanding you wear their suit according to their specifications and not being able to alter or tailor them to fit. It doesn't make sense.]]>Sep 12th 2007 6:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/Sep 12th 2007 10:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/
Firmware hacks for EVERYBODY!!!]]>Sep 12th 2007 6:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/
1. Remember the security hack that come out shortly after launch? The big deal there was the lack up privilege security to prevent any code from having full access to all the personal information on the device. That foundation security has certainly not been updated and everybody with an iPhone and the slightest technical knowledge is installing every app they can get their hands on. The potential for a serious security embarrassment is greater than Apple can tolerate.

2. Apple has almost certainly made some level of commitment to the carriers to limit what can be installed or at control the scope of applications that can run. They don't want Skype on every iPhone and they don't want to get support calls for the unlimited ways people could compromise the core functionality of the device. Remember that the carriers are paying $10/month for every contract and Apple is certainly looking out for their interests to some degree. Limiting what runs and possibly controlling the distribution also creates more opportunity to cash-in on approved apps.

3. Apple owes a lot of success to the iPod and that would not have become what it is if the non-geeks weren't able to enjoy it as much as the Engadget readers do. There will be real trouble for Apple marketing if it gets to a point where some people are spending hours to install all sorts of wild stuff while most potential customers think they won't get the same benefits because jailbreak is not something they even want to know more about.

4. The day will come sooner than later when Apple opens the iPhone up to some degree for developers. There is a benefit to them in having 3rd party applications but they want to control it. The anal designers in Cupertino don't want their iPhone sporting 500 unique, random interface elements. I think the dev standards they create will also make some serious limitations due to the security and performance considerations Apple won’t compromise on. After using the iPhone for a while, it's obvious the memory management is very active so they need new apps to cooperate. Having multiple IM apps that are forcing themselves to remain active and connected will running in the background will mean no more graceful scrolling.

5. Apple obviously gave a lot of consideration to carefully creating differentiation between the iPhone and iPod touch. I doubt they are willing to see that nullified immediately by some.
]]>Sep 12th 2007 6:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/Sep 12th 2007 9:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/Sep 12th 2007 7:14AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/Personally I think its great that these hacks are even available, as someone said this before; do you really think Apple left the iPhone open to cracks on purpose?]]>Sep 13th 2007 1:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/
Thank the heavens I've got a Treo 680... and third party apps are not only supported but encouraged, with the number being in the thousands...

Including good games from Astraware, to boot!

]]>Sep 12th 2007 6:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/
-OS update that make it not feel 10 years out of date
-OS update that allows multitasking
-A web browser that works *well*
-An update to fix all the reboots

]]>Sep 12th 2007 10:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/
If they for some reason do update iphone to lock it the dev team will just unlock it, and consumers will get sick of buying a phone were there is a update to it every week, so I am sure they will set back and play nintendo all day :-)]]>Sep 12th 2007 9:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/
So, things'll break, then get fixed, then break again, and so on, but as a result of Apple not shooting for any backwards compatibility with apps they don't support, not necessarily out of an active effort to break them.]]>Sep 12th 2007 9:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/
You can't expect them to make updates that conform to your homebrew customizations, but they don't seem to be intentionally interfering either. This is *exactly* what I would call a neutral stance.]]>Sep 12th 2007 3:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/
Seriously, spend less and get more with a smart device on either the PalmOS or Windows Mobile platforms, freely choose your carrier, and install 1000s of 3rd party apps without worry they might not work tomorrow.

Apple is FAR FAR worse than Microsoft _ever was_ when it comes to this closed door, proprietary BS. You can not just buy pieces from hundreds of competitively priced component providers and hobble together a Mac like you can custom build a PC, you CAN ONLY BUY ONE FROM APPLE AND PAY TWICE WHAT ITS WORTH. And you all just swallow it up ("you all" being those group of insanely brainwashed goobers in this thread still stating how great this iPhone thing is and that you'll still BUY ONE). Just insane. ]]>Sep 12th 2007 9:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/Sep 12th 2007 10:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/Sep 12th 2007 4:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/
Apple fans are truly gluttons for punishment. Why would you buy a product that forces you to use it in exactly the way the company tells you to. And then you all act all superior about it! Is the Apple fanboy community made up entirely of people into S&M? "Please sir, may I have another!"]]>Sep 12th 2007 11:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/
I traded the PSP for a DS, not as cool, but at least nintendo never fucked with my homebrew.]]>Sep 12th 2007 11:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/Sep 12th 2007 12:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/Sep 12th 2007 12:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/apple-backtracks-updates-will-most-likely-break-3rd-party-iph/Sep 12th 2007 4:06PM