http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/ Engadget Comments for Verizon dumps CDMA for GSM-based LTE in 4G networks http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2010 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/Sep 21st 2007 12:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/Sep 21st 2007 12:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/Sep 21st 2007 12:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/Sep 21st 2007 12:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/
For voice, CDMA is superior to GSM. Data remains yet to be seen, but right now EVDO rev. a (CDMA) is on top.]]>Sep 21st 2007 3:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/Sep 21st 2007 4:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/Sep 21st 2007 12:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/Sep 21st 2007 12:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/Sep 21st 2007 12:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/Sep 21st 2007 1:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/Sep 21st 2007 1:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/
Of course, this is still a long way off. By then everything might have changed. Maybe Qualcomm will completely disappear up their own asses never to be seen again. Maybe Verizon will go bankrupt. Maybe carrier-controlled telecoms will be a distant memory.]]>Sep 21st 2007 1:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/It won't happen. If it does, and VZW sees some cool hardware from SE, Apple, whatever, you can bet it will be locked down tighter than Guantanamo. Verizon will disable half of its stock abilities and load it up with their horrible RED operating system, strip any cool unique features to the device. Typical Verizon style. Don't expect anything to change because of this announcement.]]>Sep 22nd 2007 2:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/A move for Verizon to the GSM Evolution of network (UMTS/LTE) would be HUGE!!
- Greater global reach for subscribers (without the need for one-off hybrids) like AT&T.
- Vodafone Subs will be able to roam on Verizon’s US (currently on T-mobile & AT&T).
- CDMA Should have been dumped like years ago (like AT&T dumped TDMA).
- ESNs instead of device independent SIMs (like AT&T), is, well, antiquated & stupid.
- Qualcomm gets to bite the BIG one. This makes Broadcom, Ericsson, Nokia all happy.
SO WHAT TOOK YOU SO LONG VERIZODAFONE? SCHMUCKS!]]>Sep 21st 2007 1:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/Sep 21st 2007 1:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/Sep 21st 2007 3:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/Sep 21st 2007 3:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/GSM is, in fact, an implementation of TDMA]]>Sep 22nd 2007 3:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/Sep 21st 2007 1:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/Sep 21st 2007 3:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/Sep 21st 2007 3:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/Sep 21st 2007 1:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/
Also, if anyone thinks Qualcomm doesn't have a piece of the upcoming pie, think again. *cough flarion*]]>Sep 21st 2007 1:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/Sep 21st 2007 1:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/Sep 21st 2007 4:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/Sep 21st 2007 2:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/Sep 21st 2007 2:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/Sep 21st 2007 2:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/Sep 21st 2007 3:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/
I always buy unlocked phones anyways.]]>Sep 21st 2007 3:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/
Everyone should just switch to CDMA...it is better than GSM, and if carriers allow R-UIM cards, there are pretty much no pros for GSM over CDMA.]]>Sep 21st 2007 5:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/
Everyone should just switch to CDMA...it is better than GSM, and if carriers allow R-UIM cards, there are pretty much no pros for GSM over CDMA.

(Sorry if ym\\my comment shows up twice, Engadget's crappy comments system is messing with me.)]]>Sep 21st 2007 5:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/Sep 21st 2007 5:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/Sep 21st 2007 7:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/
If my phone failed today... I just swap my SIM to another phone. If I was on Verizon I would have to call and make a lengthy process out of it.]]>Sep 21st 2007 9:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/
If my phone failed today... I just call Sprint, order a new phone (through insurance), and do an ESN change on my account and use another phone. It took me 10-15 minutes tops (including the time do dial, and go through the options).]]>Sep 22nd 2007 8:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/Sep 21st 2007 6:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/Sep 21st 2007 5:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/Sep 21st 2007 5:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/
Could someone care to explain this background info.
Thanks]]>Sep 21st 2007 5:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/Verizon and Vodaphone agreed to use the same G4 technology. The story also claimed it is GSM based.

So here is what this means for us now...
NOTHING, not a darn thing!! G4 is so far of it isn't even funny. Guestimates are at least four years, likelyhood is more..

Either way GSM as we know it is dead!!! The carriers in America already killed it, the current network Is Actually GPRS.. And UMTS which is the 3G highspeed version of GPRS is in actuallity a CDMA based technology.

Now here is the funny thing.. CDMA which is the Siuperior technology by all acounts is running out of time. Currently with EVDO Rev A, CDMA is WAY faster than GPRS and of course the Voice quality is better, but there is only so much faster or better that you can make CDMA so the carriers have been looking for alternatives for a while now. You don't hear about it, because carriers do not want the people worried about the future. Truth is people are so affraid to embrace change that the future we should have had by now will never come as quickly as it could have, (but I digress). So any way in a few years all current technolgy will be dead and I just hope all carriers can finally start agreeing to make technology that works together. Eventually all Communiation devices will work off of a Wireless Internet backbone anyway. It is just a matter of what wireless signals are used to do that. All the carriers know that things need to change, technolgy needs to change. It is just a matter of how and when, but do NOT expect it to happen any time soon. We were reading about 3G in 93 and it has only become ubiquitus over the last few years and even then only on CDMA. The GSM/GPRS carriers have yet to fully role out 3G. Heck T-Mobile may never even do it.]]>Sep 22nd 2007 12:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/
Research the GSM Association and you will understand why people are saying that this is a "GSM technology." You are referring to CDMA as being dead soon, not even knowing that the GSM Association is using W-CDMA for 3G, and likely 4G as well.]]>Sep 23rd 2007 9:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/Sep 23rd 2007 1:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/Sep 22nd 2007 4:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/Sep 22nd 2007 3:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/
CDMA is an air interface. GSM is NOT an air interface. GSM uses TDMA for an air interface. You are comparing apples and oranges.

To compare voice quality, you must look deeper and investigate the codecs on both systems.

Does the efficiency of an air interface transmitting the voice data affect breaking up in a call? Sure. But the codec is where you get your voice quality.

If you are comparing (at a perfect signal) the CDMA2000 codecs to EFR on GSM, or even AMR full rate, I'd take the GSM family of codecs any day. Put GSM codecs on a CDMA (or W-CDMA as UMTS is doing) and you can easily see why Vodafone is choosing this path for Verizon.]]>Sep 22nd 2007 9:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/Sep 22nd 2007 11:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/Sep 22nd 2007 11:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/
Not having a sim-style card is huge blow for CDMA. Now in terms of coverage CDMA is almost the same as the old analogue networks. It does not matter whether you are 100 miles from a base station; if the handset receives a signal you will be able to make a call. Whereas since GSM is basically TDMA, after x distance the handset is not able to process a call without affecting other people's services. Therefore it will not allow you to proceed with a call.]]>Sep 22nd 2007 2:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/21/verizon-dumps-cdma-for-gsm-based-lte-in-4g-networks/
This has nothing to do with CDMA vs. GSM in the style of voice calls and the little chips. It's just a sub-protocol used in the backhanding of data. It means nothing.

For the record CDMA for voice network is far superior, that's not opinion it's just fact of the way the network is designed. You can pretty much see this by picking up any CDMA handset and a GSM handset and making a call.

I have at least one or two phone on every north american (major) celluar provider, and I'm shocked to tell you that CDMA is so much clear for calls. It's actually frustrating because GSM networks have the cool phones, while CDMA networks sound like landlines (back when I had them). It's probably why the CIA, DoD, and Much of the military forward command uses a version of CDMA not GSM.

Also in Japan CDMA (a version) is used in the most advanced networks.

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