Xbox 360 owners really amaze me. Why do you guys keep on putting up with this BS from MS? Please, don't tell me because it's an amazing gaming unit. Look, Mercedes Benz puts out very beautiful cars, but that doesn't mean I should accept the fact that they all come with defective radiators and that one day, sooner than expected, it WILL die out on me at the least convenient time, breaking down my engine, and I'd be out of my expensive item for a few weeks while it's getting repaired. And, the manufacturer will only accept repairs for just one problem, not the others that are quite obvious.
Come on people. It's not about bashing the Xbox or MS. It's about responsibility from the manufacturer and self-respect from the customers. Sure MS extended the warranty to 3 years, with certain fine print details. But, it's the aggravation of having to deal with a clearly defective item and an irresponsible manufacturer that bothers me. Yes, it's irresponsible when a company puts out a clearly defective item on the market. You guys are being taken for a ride and/or fools and seem to be enjoying it too.
I agree 110%. The funny thing is when they turn around and try to bash the Playstation 3. You XBOTs have no room for bashing considering freaking half of your consoles over heat within 6 months! I'd rather spend $500-600 for a PS3 compared to $600 for 2 XBOX 360s because the first one fried!
Look. It's ultimately a consumer choice. Some people are willing to accept a three-year warranty and the potential for possibly not being able to play for a week or two while their console is being repaired. For some people playing good games is worth the risk--particularly when you consider the alternative: buying an overpriced console with relatively few worthwhile games.
I wouldn't bash anyone who made the decision to buy a PS3. Some consider it an investment for the future. Others may really be into Blu-Ray movies. Personally, I'm a gamer--and I want to play good games right now. So I'll stick with my Xbox 360, thanks.
Yeah, you're right... From now on, I'm going to start using that OTHER Xbox 360, from the OTHER company that makes them.
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Listen, if you want that experience, with those games and Xbox Live and everything, what choice do you have? Yeah, they shouldn't break, but it's not like they're saying there's no problem and they won't fix it. They screwed up and they know it. Besides, if one DOES break, why wait "weeks" to get it back? Buy a new one at the store and return the broken one. Takes one day.
Bottom line: I have a 360 because I want to play those games. It's that simple. There's nowhere else to go for it.
I didn't know that another system had Halo 3 coming to it... Did you think that dealing with some issues is worth the quality games that are exclusive to a system?
Ummm, Jon Graft, there's a 3 year warranty to cover repairs. You don't have to buy a second xbox if the first one breaks...
The fact that some people enjoy their xbox shouldn't bother you this much. Are you really that insecure about your console purchase? Do you get this upset when you see that your neighbor has a different brand of toaster in their kitchen?
Aaron, where do you get that you can just buy a new one and exchange the old one in. Is that a policy or just a scheme you pulled off on some ignorant person at the store. It's not as if they don't have a serial number that matches with what's on the box and receipt. They do have ways to verify that what you're returning is what you've just purchased and not some older and non-working unit.
If MS was doing that "exchange your old and defective Xbox360 for a spanking brand new one by just visiting your nearest seller." If that was the case, then they would've never agreed to expand their "repair period" to 3 years.
And yes people, it's a matter of choice. I'm not criticizing anyone's choice to buy the Xbox360 because at the end of the day it's your time and money. I'm criticizing the major problem and hassle that many of you are being dealt with.
Alright, here's my response for why I still put up with my Xbox 360. They have quality games and lots of them, with an improving line up of exclusives and great solid titles. I'm not an MS fan! Hell, I friggin typing on my iMac right now for christ sake lol! I've also been a life long nintendo fan (yes I own a Wii). I'm on my 4th 360 right now. I'll probably not buy the next console from MS rolls out with until further down the road, but the fact of the matter is that: this system has a big enough warranty to keep me happy for now, abundance of quality games, and plenty of other people who also own a 360. I don't care that the PS3 is more powerful and reliable because it has a very limited and nonexistent library of games (it very much resembles the PSP). Of coarse I'm not happy with the quality of the unit, so I hope that MS learns a lesson with the 360 and maybe will win my vote for the next console I choose.
"Ummm, Jon Graft, there's a 3 year warranty to cover repairs. You don't have to buy a second xbox if the first one breaks..."
So you only ever use a console for 3 years before moving on to something else?
What if your Xbox breaks 3 years and 1 day after you bought it, not from wear and tear but from a known and acknowledged design flaw?
Yesterday, Ford recalled 3.6 million cars. I guarantee you that's costing them more than an Xbox recall would. MS should be immediately fixing or replacing every single defective Xbox out there, right now. Not waiting until they break. That's called being a responsible company. What MS is doing is continuing to try to avoid paying for all those systems that are going to break 3 years and a day, or 3 years and 20 days, or 4 years or 5 years later because of a flaw in the system that is MS's fault. And yet some people act as if they're actually being charitable. What they're really doing is avoiding their responsibilities.
And if you're going to come back and tell me I can't compare the auto industry and the game industry, then go back and look at what Nintendo did with the Famicom when they realized it suffered from a design flaw. Not only did they recall every single Famicom on the market, they stopped selling the system completely for 6 months until they figured out what the problem was and fixed it. Only then did they put the system back on the market. This is how responsible companies act.
"What if your Xbox breaks 3 years and 1 day after you bought it, not from wear and tear but from a known and acknowledged design flaw?"
That's still three years of playing great games. Although the PS3's library may improve in the future, currently, the library of quality games just isn't there. After three years, it may be time for me to buy a new console. Hey, if the games are there, maybe it'll even be a PS3. Or, since we're talking 2010, maybe it'll be a PS4 or XBox 720.
The repaired units coming back from Microsoft have the additional heatsink installed. They believe this solves the RROD issue. As an XBox 360 owner, I'm satisfied with that. Anyone who isn't is free to buy something else.
"Aaron, where do you get that you can just buy a new one and exchange the old one in. Is that a policy or just a scheme you pulled off on some ignorant person at the store. It's not as if they don't have a serial number that matches with what's on the box and receipt. They do have ways to verify that what you're returning is what you've just purchased and not some older and non-working unit."
Well I'd say it leans to the 'scheme' side of things, but whatever. No ignorant employees involved, actually: there is no serial number on the box, and the window on the box allowing you to see the serial sticker on the 360 would suggest that none of the markings or barcodes on the box correspond to the unit inside, so there is likely no way to know the machine doesn't match.
No, it's not "official", and it is slightly dishonest, but I was simply pointing out you really don't have to wait multiple weeks, if it matters that much to you.
@ Jeff "And if you're going to come back and tell me I can't compare the auto industry and the game industry"
Yes, that is exactly what I am going to tell you. I can buy any car and drive anywhere across the country. It doesn't matter if it is a Ford or a Toyota. I cannot however buy a PS3 and play Gears of War. The car industry analogy is a huge fallacy. Every industry has recalls.
Oh, and all I have is a Dreamcast, PS2, Wii, and PC.
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Xbox 360 owners really amaze me. Why do you guys keep on putting up with this BS from MS?
Please, don't tell me because it's an amazing gaming unit.
Look, Mercedes Benz puts out very beautiful cars, but that doesn't mean I should accept the fact that they all come with defective radiators and that one day, sooner than expected, it WILL die out on me at the least convenient time, breaking down my engine, and I'd be out of my expensive item for a few weeks while it's getting repaired. And, the manufacturer will only accept repairs for just one problem, not the others that are quite obvious.
Come on people. It's not about bashing the Xbox or MS. It's about responsibility from the manufacturer and self-respect from the customers. Sure MS extended the warranty to 3 years, with certain fine print details. But, it's the aggravation of having to deal with a clearly defective item and an irresponsible manufacturer that bothers me. Yes, it's irresponsible when a company puts out a clearly defective item on the market. You guys are being taken for a ride and/or fools and seem to be enjoying it too.
I agree 110%. The funny thing is when they turn around and try to bash the Playstation 3. You XBOTs have no room for bashing considering freaking half of your consoles over heat within 6 months! I'd rather spend $500-600 for a PS3 compared to $600 for 2 XBOX 360s because the first one fried!
Jon, since when do you spend $600 on two Xboxes if the first one breaks?
Look. It's ultimately a consumer choice. Some people are willing to accept a three-year warranty and the potential for possibly not being able to play for a week or two while their console is being repaired. For some people playing good games is worth the risk--particularly when you consider the alternative: buying an overpriced console with relatively few worthwhile games.
I wouldn't bash anyone who made the decision to buy a PS3. Some consider it an investment for the future. Others may really be into Blu-Ray movies. Personally, I'm a gamer--and I want to play good games right now. So I'll stick with my Xbox 360, thanks.
Yeah, you're right... From now on, I'm going to start using that OTHER Xbox 360, from the OTHER company that makes them.
...
Listen, if you want that experience, with those games and Xbox Live and everything, what choice do you have? Yeah, they shouldn't break, but it's not like they're saying there's no problem and they won't fix it. They screwed up and they know it. Besides, if one DOES break, why wait "weeks" to get it back? Buy a new one at the store and return the broken one. Takes one day.
Bottom line: I have a 360 because I want to play those games. It's that simple. There's nowhere else to go for it.
I didn't know that another system had Halo 3 coming to it... Did you think that dealing with some issues is worth the quality games that are exclusive to a system?
Ummm, Jon Graft, there's a 3 year warranty to cover repairs. You don't have to buy a second xbox if the first one breaks...
The fact that some people enjoy their xbox shouldn't bother you this much. Are you really that insecure about your console purchase? Do you get this upset when you see that your neighbor has a different brand of toaster in their kitchen?
If you're thinking Halo 3 is a quality game....
Aaron, where do you get that you can just buy a new one and exchange the old one in. Is that a policy or just a scheme you pulled off on some ignorant person at the store. It's not as if they don't have a serial number that matches with what's on the box and receipt. They do have ways to verify that what you're returning is what you've just purchased and not some older and non-working unit.
If MS was doing that "exchange your old and defective Xbox360 for a spanking brand new one by just visiting your nearest seller." If that was the case, then they would've never agreed to expand their "repair period" to 3 years.
And yes people, it's a matter of choice. I'm not criticizing anyone's choice to buy the Xbox360 because at the end of the day it's your time and money. I'm criticizing the major problem and hassle that many of you are being dealt with.
Alright, here's my response for why I still put up with my Xbox 360. They have quality games and lots of them, with an improving line up of exclusives and great solid titles. I'm not an MS fan! Hell, I friggin typing on my iMac right now for christ sake lol! I've also been a life long nintendo fan (yes I own a Wii). I'm on my 4th 360 right now. I'll probably not buy the next console from MS rolls out with until further down the road, but the fact of the matter is that: this system has a big enough warranty to keep me happy for now, abundance of quality games, and plenty of other people who also own a 360. I don't care that the PS3 is more powerful and reliable because it has a very limited and nonexistent library of games (it very much resembles the PSP). Of coarse I'm not happy with the quality of the unit, so I hope that MS learns a lesson with the 360 and maybe will win my vote for the next console I choose.
Rob, I when my 360 stopped working, I called Microsoft and they told me to exchange it for a new one at HMV. Took a day.
"Ummm, Jon Graft, there's a 3 year warranty to cover repairs. You don't have to buy a second xbox if the first one breaks..."
So you only ever use a console for 3 years before moving on to something else?
What if your Xbox breaks 3 years and 1 day after you bought it, not from wear and tear but from a known and acknowledged design flaw?
Yesterday, Ford recalled 3.6 million cars. I guarantee you that's costing them more than an Xbox recall would. MS should be immediately fixing or replacing every single defective Xbox out there, right now. Not waiting until they break. That's called being a responsible company. What MS is doing is continuing to try to avoid paying for all those systems that are going to break 3 years and a day, or 3 years and 20 days, or 4 years or 5 years later because of a flaw in the system that is MS's fault. And yet some people act as if they're actually being charitable. What they're really doing is avoiding their responsibilities.
And if you're going to come back and tell me I can't compare the auto industry and the game industry, then go back and look at what Nintendo did with the Famicom when they realized it suffered from a design flaw. Not only did they recall every single Famicom on the market, they stopped selling the system completely for 6 months until they figured out what the problem was and fixed it. Only then did they put the system back on the market. This is how responsible companies act.
@Jeff
"What if your Xbox breaks 3 years and 1 day after you bought it, not from wear and tear but from a known and acknowledged design flaw?"
That's still three years of playing great games. Although the PS3's library may improve in the future, currently, the library of quality games just isn't there. After three years, it may be time for me to buy a new console. Hey, if the games are there, maybe it'll even be a PS3. Or, since we're talking 2010, maybe it'll be a PS4 or XBox 720.
The repaired units coming back from Microsoft have the additional heatsink installed. They believe this solves the RROD issue. As an XBox 360 owner, I'm satisfied with that. Anyone who isn't is free to buy something else.
"Aaron, where do you get that you can just buy a new one and exchange the old one in. Is that a policy or just a scheme you pulled off on some ignorant person at the store. It's not as if they don't have a serial number that matches with what's on the box and receipt. They do have ways to verify that what you're returning is what you've just purchased and not some older and non-working unit."
Well I'd say it leans to the 'scheme' side of things, but whatever. No ignorant employees involved, actually: there is no serial number on the box, and the window on the box allowing you to see the serial sticker on the 360 would suggest that none of the markings or barcodes on the box correspond to the unit inside, so there is likely no way to know the machine doesn't match.
No, it's not "official", and it is slightly dishonest, but I was simply pointing out you really don't have to wait multiple weeks, if it matters that much to you.
Aaron is right, partly, since Target doesn't record the serial number when you buy it so you can return any console instead.
Aaron is right, partly, since Target doesn't record the serial number when you buy it so you can return any console instead.
@ Jeff
"And if you're going to come back and tell me I can't compare the auto industry and the game industry"
Yes, that is exactly what I am going to tell you. I can buy any car and drive anywhere across the country. It doesn't matter if it is a Ford or a Toyota. I cannot however buy a PS3 and play Gears of War. The car industry analogy is a huge fallacy. Every industry has recalls.
Oh, and all I have is a Dreamcast, PS2, Wii, and PC.
Oh no... I was just glad that people stopped bashing the PS3 and now we have 360 bashers...
Guys, can't we just... get along?? I really like those "I prefer my XBox and it's ok you choose the PS3." comments...
It's just a matter of preference.