FDA Approves VeriChips, implantable medical chips
The end is upon us! Today, the FDA
approved the use of the VeriChip, an RFID microchip that is implanted under skin without need for surgery. The
chips are designed to include patient-specific information such as allergies or previous procedures that would be
scanned at a hospital emergency room wirelessly. In order to assure its ubiquity (and eventual mind control of
the masses), Applied Digital Solutions is giving away scanners to 200 trauma centers. This is the first time the
FDA has approved devices like this, and we'll be watching this slippery slope closely, comrades.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
Ian @ Dec 19th 2005 2:10AM
AHHHHHHHH!!!
this is horrable! :O
I know this one is useful, but this is BOUND to lead on to worser ones.
And there is the question, who the hell will want one? couldn't money be spent in better ways?...
Ralph Harper @ Dec 19th 2005 2:10AM
The end is upon us! and eventual mind control of the masses. A bit sarcastic don't you think? You have to belittle the thoughts of Christians in order to move your agenda ahead.
It all sounds good. The chip will hold our medical and financial info. It will prevent identity theft. I read an article on smart guns that would use the technology to limit usage to authorized users only. It will act as a pass to allow us or not into restricted areas. The list is endless.
What you don't tell us is that you will know where we are at all times, know all our financial transactions and ultimately control us with this technology. Wether this is what you intend or not, it is feasable if it falls into the wrong hands. This may not initially be the mark of the beast, but it is more than likely the prototype of the technology that will be used to control the masses.
You discount the prophecies as irrelevent. But remember that what is comming to pass with globalization, unity and this technology was predicted accurately thousands of years ago.
Christians aren't the dummies here. Remember: 1 Cor.1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. It doesn't really matter what you believe. It's what God says that counts!!
keyo @ Dec 19th 2005 2:10AM
On a trip to NY in 1997 i was handed a photocopied leaflet warning about all this, the images are online here> http://www.keyo.net/666chip
its exactly the same thing
Asher @ Dec 19th 2005 2:10AM
I was going to post something Orwellian and potentially funny... But, after that above religious tirade I cannot resist tossing into that. A. We're asked to keep our comments topic specific. B. What kind of an idiot are you? Since when has any technology we've created not been corrupted for the betterment of 1. the corporations and 2. the Gov't. -in that order? And since when has a Fundementalist Judeo-Christion (or is it Bible Thumping RightWing BornAgain Jesus Nazi?) view ever had anything to do with technology? Go to another, less cool, blog.
Mr. I always work on the Sabbath @ Dec 19th 2005 2:10AM
.... you could have an implant which records your relationship status, likes and dislikes, etc.
You walk into a pub, a scanner checks you out at the door, and beams bluetooth homing beeps so you can find your way to prospective mates.
Hey I really should patent that (c) Dave 2004
:-)
Ralph @ Dec 19th 2005 2:10AM
Bible Thumping RightWing BornAgain Jesus Nazi?) This just shows your ignorance! First of all I am on topic!. You obviousley don't have anything significant to contribute except your lack of knowledge. If you ever read the bible then you would see that technology has plenty to do with the scriptures. This technology is the comming mark of the beast wether you want to believe it or not. Why don't you see for yourself rather than tear somthing apart you know nothing about You sir have shown yourself to be an idiot!!
EchoBravo @ Dec 19th 2005 2:10AM
Hey Sunday School guy, what are you doing using a computer and cruising a gadget site? Turn off your computer and go back into your cave, where you can rub two sticks together to generate heat.
Had the world listened to those who would force their religion on the rest of us, we'd all still think the Earth was flat and be dying of easily curable diseases, because science is heresy to the backwards and the closed-minded.
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This "thread" was already derailed. Sorry to take it further in the wrong direction.
Gideon @ Dec 19th 2005 2:10AM
Back to the Cave... those of you who are bashing Mr. Sunday School are be very ignorant. The Bible is not just a collection of fictional stories. Science has proven time and time again what the Bible has already stated in plain text. However, Science has been unable to disprove anything within it's pages. Many scientist that are responible for some of the major theroies like evovlution have died Christians yet the world continues to cling to their mistakes as sound science. Science is nothing more than the uncovering of God's already perfect order and when man tries to be God, that's when we got trouble. These are the end days, and I love technology, but when it's get to a point where you won't be able to buy or own anything without one of these verichips, you won't see me in line to get one. If you really want to see how this isn't breaking news check this powerpoint presentation out @ http://nyc.indymedia.org/media/all/display/14213/index.php?limit_start=96
Peace,
Asher @ Dec 19th 2005 2:10AM
First off...
"Back to the Cave... those of you who are bashing Mr. Sunday School are be very ignorant." ARE BE? Please limit your "intelligent comments to proper English.
Second... I never said that that chip was anything short of damn scarey. I said, get you Bible thumping fingers out of a techblog. If you're so afraid of technology, I agree with EchoBravo, LEAVE.
If you're going to thump a Bible, and ctique my knowledge of said book, you should at least know me. Can you read Greek? Aramaic? Ancient Hebrew? Do you have a Pre-Nissian Bible? I can answer yes to all those questions. I never argue above my intelligence level. Perhaps you should not either. Now, grab a tin can and string and a piece of slate and chalk and use that for your high speed access and go blog comewhere else.
Chris @ Dec 19th 2005 2:10AM
Asher is a great example of what happens when people become too intelligent for thier own good... they think either 1) they have the answers to everything or 2) no one can have the answers to anything... and then they end up being cynical, pathetic, religion bashers.
In todays society we have to have "tolerance" for everyone except the Christian.
michael @ Dec 19th 2005 2:10AM
As long as it only had my medical info on it, I'm game. I have Crohn's disease and eczema so anything that would let docs know that if I were in an emergency situation sounds good. Better faster treatment is a GoodThing (Viva Martha!!)
Gideon @ Dec 19th 2005 2:10AM
Like I said, I love technology, and if I had a couple of mistakes in my post maybe I should start proof reading. I tried to type quick, I'm at the job right now. All of your witty little remarks do nothing for me and the points I brought up at definitley relative to this blog, if you don't like it, that's entirely alright. And congrats on you mastery of all those languages, ancient Hebrew huh? IMPRESSIVE!
Chewbaka @ Dec 19th 2005 2:10AM
Whether you want to belive it or not, there is a lot of evidence taht ties into the mark of the beast and the verichip. For example the bible predicts the mark being put on the forehand or the forehead, and guess which two parts of the body the scientists who created this found to be the optimum points to implant (must be the signal or something). Yep you guessed it, the forehead and hand...be cautious not callous.
True Christian warrior @ Dec 19th 2005 2:10AM
First off, anyone who has read the Bible can see plain and clear that this Verichip is the sign of the beast, but what all the fake Christians posting here won't admit is that it's George W. Bush who is the anti-christ. The Carlyle Group (which is controlled by the Bush family) is an investor in this company and when Bush gets elected to a 2nd term (sorry but he will) that he is going to make it a law that says that all children have to have these things implanted. once that happens the next step is to force everyone else to in the interests of homeland security. wake up!
Gideon @ Dec 19th 2005 2:10AM
Those are strong statments True, I wouldn't refer to another Christian as being fake just because they don't suscribe to your therory. Also John Kerry is just as likely to pull the same stunt, they both are skull & bones right?
Ashton @ Dec 19th 2005 2:10AM
In response to the comment about George W. Bush, I have to take issue with that. This man is not the Anti-christ. No one knows who the Anti-christ is yet for sure, except perhaps those directly around him. He could still be a boy right now for all we know. Many theologians think he may originate somewhere in Europe or more specifically, Germany. We just don't know right now.
I too, have come to understand that the Mark of the Beast is absolutely related to technology. The Word says that no one will be able to buy or sell anything without that Mark, in the days where people are required to take it to live. How else could the Anti-christ keep track of people enough to be able to prevent them from buying and selling anything unless they had that Mark, without the use of technology? It would be impossible. Without technology, what could prevent commerce from taking place? Little to nothing. No, I'm afraid technology will absolutely be involved here.
And whether you think this is on topic or not, another thing that's interesting is that we're in a very unique time in history, because the Anti-christ could not achieve his mission without the use of other technologies in addition, such as satellite/cable TV, satellite radio, wireless computers and phones, and wireless video, audio, voice, and data transmissions, and so forth. To achieve his mission, he has to be able to address everyone on the face of the Earth at once. Ask yourself how this could be achieved without the use of advanced technologies like those I mentioned above? The answer is, it couldn't. These technologies would have to be in place in order for him to fulfill his objectives. At no time in history, prior to these technologies could he have addressed all the Earth at once. Whether, TV, or radio, or other forms of communication, just about everything is satellite based in some form these days, and the devices we have are becoming more and more ubiquitous and capable of handling all of these technologies. We see them in our homes, cars, at work, and in our pockets. They're capable of handling video and audio streams, voice and data, in real time, and are growing in power and capability at a geometric rate. Implant technology is just a part of all of this.
Funny, silly, or stupid to some, yes, (so sigh, roll your eyes, laugh, or do what you do), but those with true understanding know that technology is very much tied in with the fulfillment of certain parts of God's Word, and with each passing day, the timer keeps counting down to the events found in the book of Revelation, and to the day we all answer to God.
Unique times indeed.
Satan @ Dec 19th 2005 2:10AM
Get the implant and stop asking questions.
R. @ Dec 19th 2005 2:10AM
Glad to see other Christians getting on board with this site. Just so that all the critics of Christians know, This technology will draw Christians like a moth to a flame. This is our business and you better at least check out the warnings! DO NOT allow yourselves to be implanted with this chip. It may not at this time be the mark of the beast, but it will one day. If you already have it your choice will be gone. This is serious and the Christians are the ones with the answers. The ignorant disregard it. This technology is direct fulfillment of prophecy. I am not here to argue or insult people either. Just to warn. This is comming and when it is mandatory to take the chip, the Christians will not be here to help you. You will finally have your wish. We will be gone!
palmer eldritch @ Dec 19th 2005 2:10AM
Why don't the Christian techies posting to this thread suggest some _Christian_ gadgets, rather than abrogating responsibility for their actions ? ('It doesn't really matter what you believe. It's what God says that counts' Sheesh.)
Muslims have their 'Mecca detector', I believe, so what do Christians have? Artificial brains, obviously, but can they enlighten us as to anything else?
R. @ Dec 19th 2005 2:10AM
Who is abrogating responsibility for their actions? we are taking the responsibility to tell you what is comming! I will tell you that there is no power on earth that is going to stop this technology from enslaving the human race. Why don't you look into it instead of rejecting the warning. What warning you may ask?
If you don't know Jesus Christ as your personal savior, you will be left behind at the rapture. If you are left here and you become a Christian you will more than likely be martyred for not taking the chip. If you don't become a Christian you will be forced to take the mark. If you do, you will give up any chance of heaven.
All I am trying to tell you is to take this seriously. Stop being sarcastic.
You said "Muslims have their 'Mecca detector', I believe, so what do Christians have?" We have a risen Lord who is alive. Mohammad is dead.
Noah warned people for 120 years that it would rain. They didn't believe him either.
Kev England @ Dec 19th 2005 2:10AM
I've heard people trying to apply this Book of revelation nonsense to everything from the Microsoft windows logo, Bill gates name, the millennium bug, the twin towers and now this. Come on Christians! Make your mind up, which one is it? The simple fact is, you dont know do you.
On the subject of VeriChips, they will be used, its inevitable they will have some good uses and some bad.
These things are already in use for tagging pets & successfully recovering ones cute kitten when it goes missing isnt that malevolent is it?
Ok, so they probably will get used to impinge on our liberty at some point in the future but so what? We have no freedom or power now, so what is it you think were going to lose.
Just answer this, how free are we now: Our money is taken off us, we have no choice in this (this is called taxation) to fund puppets(Presidents and Prime Ministers) who take over whole countries resources (Afghanistan Land containing an oil pipeline, Iraq Land containing Oil) for the slave masters (Petrochemical Companies). The puppets lie to us about the reasons for doing this, and even when the lies are proven to be lies (no weapons of mass destruction) we cant do a thing about it.
Technologies will come and go but one thing will never change:
We have always been slaves, we still are and we always will be, only the method of our enslavement changes.
*yawn* @ Dec 19th 2005 2:10AM
Would you all just rapture yourselves out of here already so's I can sin in peace? Sheesh...
Have you thought that maybe this rapture already happened and YOU got left behind for some reason? Hmmm?
Jeannette @ Dec 19th 2005 2:10AM
The first sentence in this article says "The end is upon us"! What Mr. Sunday school says is relevant to the article. Bush says he is christian per the last debate, but then he is trying to fund $139 million to the Verchip. I just can not understand that. I have to say that I've never really liked Bush, but I don't know if he is the antichrist. For the doubters, if you read the scripture you will see that it details this technology.
R. @ Dec 19th 2005 2:10AM
Thank you Mrs. I haven't heard about Bush wanting to fund the Veri chip, But I suppose it is possible. He is a Christian so I don't get it either. He and his dad belong to an organization called the Trilateral Commission. This is a globalist organization which is working tward a one world government. I suppose republicans are wolves in sheeps clothing. The liberals are just wolves.
To Kev,
Actually we do know what technology the antichrist will use. Read this and you decide:
Rev.16-18 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
[17] And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
[18] Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
Notice that the verse didn't say anything about the mark being on the hand or forehead but IN the right hand or forehead.
You are right. We have lost alot of freedom. You will lose more. Although alot of good will come from the chip, enslavement will also result. Every transaction will be recorded. No private sales or purchaces will be un monitored. They will know where you are at all times. Anytime you behave inapropriately your funds can be shut off and you can be located. There is a huge big brother application for this technology.This is the precursor to the antichrist one world government.
Kev England @ Dec 19th 2005 2:10AM
Oh yeah, well I've read that and a lot more besides and I know the book of revelation to be the all time winner of vague propaganda, it reads like a politicians manifesto on acid.
How do you know it isnt just a scathing document unsuccessfully predicting the end of the roman empire. The mark of the beast (Nero whose name adds up to 666 in Hebrew) being imprinted on roman helmets and coinage.
Alternatively, how do you know that what john was taking about were VeriChips.
Perhaps he was talking about something that is already here, which Im sure many Christians have already received in their hands and their heads.
I speak of Credit cards, the time is coming where theyre the only way you can buy or sell things, perhaps they are the mark of the beast! You have them in your hands, and where do you hold the number of the beast? Yep you guessed it, you hold it in your head.
So repent and pray for forgiveness unvigilant ones, for you have already accepted the mark of the beast! The end days are already upon us!
Z @ Dec 19th 2005 2:10AM
I don't think it's credit cards, Kev.
Have we all been FORCED to own and use a credit card for every single purchase we make, without exception? Can they only be held in the RIGHT hand, because if you try to hold it in your left hand, there's an invisible magical force preventing you from doing so? C'mon, man! And if we don't use our credit cards, by golly, we just won't eat or live, because cash and ATM machines can no longer be accessed!!!
Yeah, it's credit cards. Yeah, sure, whatever you say. Re-read Revelation.
Was John talking about VeriChips? Well, maybe I'm wrong, but I have a sneaking suspicion that no one knew what a VeriChip was way back then, but of course, God knows everything, and John had quite the intense vision, so who knows every detail for sure what he saw in the way of that.
But that isn't the point. The point is, the only way that you can control the masses down to an individual level, is through technology coupled to finances, and then removing freedom of choice by forcing every person on Earth to participate, and if they don't, they die. That's the only way that kind of control could be implemented on a global scale. It's just putting two and two together. What God's Word refers to may not be known to us as "VeriChip" at all. VeriChip is just the beginning phase of the technology designed to warm people up to the idea of implants, so that when the time comes for them to receive the Mark of the Beast, many won't think twice. The Mark of the Beast that John refers to may go by another moniker altogether, other than "VeriChip", when it finally arrives.
Think!
R @ Dec 19th 2005 2:10AM
"I know the book of revelation to be the all time winner of vague propaganda, it reads like a politicians manifesto on acid.Perhaps he was talking about something that is already here, which Im sure many Christians have already received in their hands and their heads."
Kev,
Obviously you have no respect for the Word of God and are reading it on a strictly humanistic level or you would not speak of it in the way you do!
I think Z has it right. The verichip is the beginning of what will eventually lead to the mark of the beast. No matter how you look at it you have got to admit that the world is moving in the direction of a one world government and the Verichip does fit the criteria for the mark of the beast.
Christians will understand these things and seek to warn as they have for centuries. You cannot nor will you want to understand the bible in it's context until you become saved. It is a fact. We are not the enemies here Kev. Understand that you are a sinner and need a savior. Go to Christ in prayer and ask for forgiveness. Ask Him to save you. From what you may ask? From an eternity of seperation and torment reserved for the Devil, his angels and all those that reject Christ. Read John Chapter 3 and Romans chapter 1 and 3.
palmer_eldritch @ Dec 19th 2005 2:10AM
So in answer to my GADGET RELATED question 'Muslims have the Mecca Detector, what Christian gadgets are there?' we have the answer 'We have a risen Lord who is alive. Mohammad is dead.' So JC is the ultimate gadget? Cool. Not quite the answer I was after, but still, I appreciate the effort. I don't think there was any need to boast quite so much, though. Pride comes before a fall and all that.
Sunday School does appear to have a quaint level of insight. With the advent of the VeriChip 'Every transaction will be recorded. No private sales or purchaces will be un monitored. They will know where you are at all times. Anytime you behave inapropriately your funds can be shut off and you can be located'. This happens already! Or perhaps it doesn't in Extratoes or wherever it is he physically resides.
To answer my own GADGET RELATED question, the only thing I could find on a cursory Google was this - http://gigglesngadgets.zoovy.com/product/RD11
Everything else appeared to be related to sex aids.
Kev England @ Dec 19th 2005 2:10AM
Ah but Z, remember, the Serpent is cunning, you will not be physically FORCED to accept the mark, that would alert too many people to his plans. He is more devious than that, people will be lured in gradually by his cunning. Take a look at how many people still use cash to conduct their transactions; it is getting fewer by the day, but happening gradually, so as to go unnoticed.
People think that they choose to use plastic because it is easier than cash but that is the way HE is changing the world, making it easier to use plastic, tempting us to take HIS path.
The time and place of every transaction is logged, You think about it!
Mr Sunday school, the Bible contains not the word of God, but the world of God as interpreted by humans and humans are fallible.
palmer_eldritch @ Dec 19th 2005 2:10AM
But Kev - these guys wrote the Bible;
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/tg/stores/detail/-/books/0007193025/reviews/202-8412662-5178212
samuel @ Dec 19th 2005 2:10AM
I`m a student from Romania and i want you to know two things: 1 The Bible is the word of God, read 2 Timothy 3:16 (if you have a Bible); 2 Jesus is coming sooo be prepared....escuse my english as I said I`m from Romania
Kev England @ Dec 19th 2005 2:10AM
Samual,
1) Really, tell me, did he write it himself or did he dictate it?
2) I have a box of Kleenex at the ready, your english is very good, but you spell comming with a 'u'.
samuel @ Dec 19th 2005 2:10AM
I don`t know what do you think, but when I read the Bible I take those words as written by human hands, inspired by God. How do you read the ten commandments? Remember that God dictated to Moses (Exodus 20:1) all the commandments, on the mount Sinai, and I don`t think that Moses had been able to change or interpret those words, because he was near God and he could't make any mistake. Think that God doesn't allow anybody to change or remove a word from the Bible. So what I mean is that if God dictated to Moses those words He also dictated to John the Revelation on Patmos island.
Take the Bible as the word of God. Is the best for you belive me:)
magnix @ Dec 19th 2005 2:10AM
Samuel - you're right! The bible is word of God.
What I see Kev's comments that tells me Kev is lost or confused.
Kev - don't put your guards up. We're here to help educate you.
palmer_eldritch @ Dec 19th 2005 2:10AM
I think I've thought of the GADGET we are all seeking for with this particular thread - it's called perspective. Mr Sunday School (whose initials, by the way, are 'S.S.' - if that's not the 'mark of the beast' then I don't know what is) asked 'who is abrogating responsibility for their actions?' in response to an above comment of mine. Well, Mr. S.S., you abrogate responsibility for your actions when you slavishly follow 'God's will' and take the Bible literally. You could do anything and claim you were following the word of your God - that is abrogating responsibility for your actions.
If I may point you in the direction of some reading (since you and others have fired references amongst these comments), try the transcripts of the Nuremberg trials [ http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/nuremberg/nuremberg.htm ] and think of the oft-misquoted line 'I was only obeying orders'.
After reading the comments from yourself and Samuel (no complaints about your English, by the way, Samuel. It's better than my Romanian!) I am reminded that the history of the human race is very much the history of fear, and the natural desire of people for security can lead them down some very dark alleys.
Aliehs @ Dec 19th 2005 2:10AM
I want to thank those of you who speak the truth. I am a 26 year old single hispanic female with 3 small children. i lived in darkness since i was 22 years old when i snapped out of most of my self destructive behavoir. I was abused growing up. At 6 years old i was angry with God and i remember cursing at him because he wouldn't take my life. I then asked satan to be with me and take me. I grew up on the streets begging for food as a child and all alone. I began my drug addiction at 14. I got pregnat at the age of 16 and had my second child at 18. i was single all this time. all of my pregnancies i had no idea who the fathers where. when my second child was 3 months old i got pregnant again and had an abortion, (saying it with shame and tears). a few years went by and i had my last child then had my tubes tied. through these years i was addicted to meth and alcohol. now as of this last week i have been front page in my town paper for recovering and the reason why i have is because of the lord calling me and forgiving me. see he pulled me out of this destructive behaior before it was too late. what the papers or now one in this small town knows is that i was a prostitute in salt lake city for 6 years, to a catholic preist, returned mormon missionaries, lawyers doctors, drug dealers you name it. I went into depression and gained weight where i was no longer able to make money of my looks and turned to women for 2 years. i finally snapped out of it and moved to a small town 2 states away to start over. my kids deserved it. they are Gods children, He just lent them to me. i then turned to Jesus and said and opened my heart. i have a great job, house kids, everything. the lord blessed me so much. i go home at night and cry to the good Lord. See i indured so much pain and to have Him bless me like He did. I give my thanks to Him all the time. I am not perfect but i feel if i am obedient to Him, He tells me their is more in store for me/. This all brings me to the subject of the anti-christ. i beleive all this veri-chip is conected to the anti-christ. I see it. I ask God why I do and others just laugh about it in disregard it. I think God is calling his sheep because Jesus is coming. I cannot beleive I came out of my self destruction in time for something that I need to prepare my children and I as wells as others for. my testimonies have helped people and I think God had his plan for me and He calls me to help others and for this chip thing going on scares me. When i came upon this site it was interesting. I am looking for answers on how to survive without this chip. Hey i already know how to live without a thing so I shouldn't be that complicated right? so all this stuff on the chip, where will the TRUE Christians go when this chip is inforced? thats what I want to know.
Josie @ Dec 19th 2005 2:10AM
Im on the panel for next years Loebner Prize, and Ive got to say that Aliehs is by far and away the best chatbot I have ever come across. The Christian-with-bad-grammar angle is pure genius. Id urge Aliehs programmers to come forward and contact me for entrance details.
Aliehs @ Dec 19th 2005 2:10AM
I am not sure what you mean or what you are getting at. This is my first time on a site like this ever. If my grammer is not proper, I apologize, I am not perfect. I do work for a non-profit organization where we help the less fortunate. I made it up to middle school and then I was forced out on the streets. So therefore I didn't have like most kids. I am here today thanks to the good Lord. So yes, I am a Christian with bad grammer. When I die, is Jesus going to judge me on that? So anyways back on the subject on the chip. How are people going to avoid this if it is forced upon the people at some point?
yohan @ Dec 19th 2005 2:10AM
well.. I read all the commentaries, and im impressed about all the examples and ideas that were brought up.. I strongly believe that Jesus will come soon. Violence, and corruption are increasing dramatically around the world (especially the place were im living in, Chile).. The antichrist is trying his best to carry all human souls to his side, and specially this days, temptation is being strongly brought up in all sorts of media. And adding this new technology, the verichip, i'm surely positive, that many problems will rise.. so Christians, prepare yourself with prayer, and follow god's orders thru the bible... and the people that have jesus absent in your lives, i'll pray for you.. that is the best thing we can do as God followers.. (Im korean, and im sorry bcs of my english :P. I'm 16 years old ^^) thanks for your commentaries, it helped me a lot!
R @ Dec 19th 2005 2:10AM
To Aliehs,
I was moved by your testamony. I think you have alot to offer others as your experience will give you insight to others problems. When you decide to be used of God just remember that any council you render must have a biblical basis.
To answer your question:How are people going to avoid this if it is forced upon the people at some point?
Remember that the church will already be gone (rapture) at the time when taking the mark will be mandatory. The unsaved will all receive it. Those saved during the tribulation will be forced to make a choice between life and death. Most Christians during this time will be martyred.
Josie @ Dec 19th 2005 2:10AM
Start the VeriChip implant rollout! The sooner the better.
Joe @ Dec 19th 2005 2:10AM
If it is the devil's technology that will eventually keep me from constantly losing my keys, wallet, money, etc, then SIGN ME UP! I love this, and all of the potential applications. I will just continue being a good person and ask to be forgiven later. :)
palmer eldritch @ Dec 19th 2005 2:10AM
I've got it - a crucifix-shaped computer mouse! What a GADGET! Every fan of the big man will want one!
bobbie viszolay @ Dec 19th 2005 2:10AM
ITS ALL part of Gods word. no one can buy or sell with out the mark. in thier right hand or forehead.
Read john 3;16 for God so loved the world he gave his only begotten son. JESUS. Those who believe in him WILL HAVE ETERNAL LIFE. that is ANYONE. If your intrested read the BIBLE AND pray for the lord to show you his love. JOHN. MARK, REVELATIONS will speak of things to come. BUT I SUGGEST TO READ JOHN.
True Christian Warrior @ Dec 19th 2005 2:10AM
WHY WON'T ANY OF THE CHRISTIANS ADMIT THAT GEORGE W. BUSH IS THE ANTI-CHRIST? It's all fine and good that you all see that verichip is the Mark of the BEast, but you are all afraid to admit that George W. Bush is the antichrist. Even the Pope himself thinks so: http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0MKY/is_9_27/ai_108881880
WAKE UP PEOPLE! In his 2nd term Bush is going to use the patriot act to require thise implants. We need all true Christian warriors to be prepared to fight.
Charity @ Dec 19th 2005 2:10AM
Just for your info guys,
The company in Florida that is producing the VeriChip, may now be backing out of its production for now. FDA just released that if you get a MRI or need one done you would get badly burned because of the chip. So they are saying if you are thinking about recieving this chip to consider never getting an MRI.
I don't know about you, but it sounds like they don't have it all together yet.
Servent of Jesus @ Dec 19th 2005 2:10AM
Are Christians afraid of technology? I'm a tripple major: math, computer science, and electrical engineering. I graduated at the top of my class in EE (AAS 3.96 GPA). I'm finishing my last two classes in CS (BS CS 4.0 GPA). I have four electives left in math (BS MTH 3.96 GPA). Our work bible-study group is limited to CS and CEG majors. Most of the engineers in my pod are Christians. The truth is that Christians like gadgets too. If you ever got to know us, you would see that we have many common interests.
I'm writing a term paper on the social implications of human RFID implants for one of my classes. We have to pick a topic in CS or CEG and write about its social implications. My professor rejected the idea that RFID implants were a religious issue. He said that I'm the only one opposed to it for religious reasons. He also said that I was being biased for claiming that it was a religious issue.
Question: If you never heard of RFID, would you think that it is a religious issue after reading this (or similar) threads?
Grammer issue: Remember that this is a 'gadget' site and not a 'literaty' site. I've never been to a private university, but state schools have achieved diversity. In computer science and computer engineering, the dominant ethnic group is Indian, followed by Chinese, followed by white American. I think that the foreign visitors to this site speak and write English much better than I could ever speak or write Hindi or Chinese.
Is Bush the Anti-Christ?
In my opinion, the Anti-Christ will rise up with overwhelming support. I don't beleive that he or she will induce many adverse political ads. For the same reason, I don't believe that the Pope is the Anti-Christ.
Back to the chip: This thread appears consistant with all the others. I agree with those of you who think that this will become law. I choose to not receive this technology at all costs. I agree that you have the right to impose capital punishment on me and my family. I claim the right to keep preaching Jesus.
You Christians : Did Jesus curse those that persecuted him? When they spit in his face, what was his reaction. Let's do better and clean up this thread.
One of God's children @ Dec 19th 2005 2:10AM
Well, well that discussion was pretty long but incredibly interesting.
Now I'm a born again christian (Quebec french) but that doesn't really matter for the conclusion of these posts so far...
I don't think we can admit that this doesn't have anything to do with the mark of the beast but we CAN'T admit either that it IS the mark of the beast.
I think that this VeriChip is only a sign that the last days are drawing nearer and nearer. We have to hurry more than ever to bring more people to know Christ.
First of all the radical and pretty amature powerpoint presentation is maybe a little too much meant to scare the wits out of people. Thus, that was the only source that talked about the hands and forehead areas.
Also, the fact that the VeriChip is NOT mandatory proves to us that the thing is not the THE mark of the beast.
But still it can and surely is a step very close to the real mark of the beast. It is maybe one of the beta programs of the future, technological, real, used by anti-christ, device. The thing that maybe scares me the most is that it's maybe a device that is so close to the MARK that the gap(s) between the two could only be something technological that we can fix from the exterior.
In other words, it means that if you have this implanted under your skin, to futurely evolve to the real MARK you only have to change some information or code from the exterior (from a computer or device that can change something in the VeriChip without producing another model of the VeriChip to be implanted under our skin, so we would be inevitably marked!)
That would be some real serpent cunning...
Now all we, born again christians don't have to be scared about that since God promised us to be part of the rapture. But for those that will want to give their lives to Christ during the 7year period... Let's not go to far.
All the maybes in the text our attributed to the fact that only God can know the time when it'll happen.
One thing sure is that we can prevent us to pass through the tribulation times by giving our lives to Jesus.
The technology is there, time is not.
Let's watch ourselves and pray for each other.
S. B. CHILD OF GOD @ Dec 19th 2005 2:10AM
Child of god,
This is very interesting to me. I would never take the chip nor any of my family, they know better & I have told them & they understand what it means.
I don't understand why anybody would. I won't even consider ever putting it in my pets or getting a pet with a chip in it.
I might be the last person or only person that uses cash only & money orders.
One thing, What is going to happen to the people that are getting the chip now? You will have a choice,can they take it out?
THE CHILD
S. B. CHILD OF GOD @ Dec 19th 2005 2:10AM
The chip is here to stay ,beware of it , never take it at any cost. Pray for God's protection & he'll see you thru. SB CHILD OF GOD