PSP vs. DS

If you've really been dying to know how the PlayStation Portable compares to the Nintendo DS in terms of size, Lik-sang has a pic of the two side-by-side. There might be only one of them, but the screen on the PSP is, uh, very big.

[Via Joystiq]

[phratt @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

ds is the illest thats all i have to say

PS. PSP sux!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[AnGeLiz0r @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

well people keep going on about how the DS game cards only hold 128mb of info, well they are game cards, which means they are constantly being developed to hold more data, like compact flash cards, you can get some 32mb, or some the same size holding over 1gb, and soon the DS game cards will be able to hold more info. and you say that isnt enough, they managed to cram the entire james bond rogue agent single player onto that card, plus the single-card multi player game AND a multi-card multi player co-op game, so dont go telling me that the cards cant hold enough info.

Avenger, the reason i am not discussing anything with you is cos you are a tit basicly, you dont listen to anything anyone has to say at all, you just say stupid things which are you own opinion and then say "thats facts talking" hell i could do that if i wanted, i could quite easily say things like.

The DS can play movies, listen to music, read e-books and do all that for less than the PSP.

It has a much better battery life, so you can play games longer, and the movies you watch dont suck up the battery life

The DS has better controls because of the touch screen and MIC

the graphics are between N64 and GC standards, and are excellent quality.

There is no loading times from the game cards.

The DS is built more durable.

etc.etc. etc. You say the DS has nothing on the PSP, well i could say the PSP has nothing on the DS except better graphics, the DS has everything else better for it, and "thats facts talking!!!" - i mean just cos i say thats facts talking or you say that, doesnt mean it is dam it, it is just our opinions.

And what do you mean you wanna hear my dumdass excuse as to how the ds can do everything and more that the PSP can, well er for a cheap adaptor it can, it can play movies for 10 hours without needed a recharge, it can play music and read e-books, it can download games off the internet, it can play wireless with 8 people using only 1 game card,it can be played over the internet etc.etc.etc. you say you want to me to say what it can do that the PSP can, well you tell me anything that the PSP can do that the DS cant.

[odw @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

Angelizor, why are you even talking about capabilities? We allready established that the ds is worse in that respect. I really thought it was funny when you said the graphics fall between the n64 and gc. Gamecube? lol More like between the super nintendo and 64.

What is this assumption that the ds has good control because it has a touchpad? I tried playing fps games with a touchpad and I definitely wouldn't call it good control. No one complained about using the jostick with halo.

What don't u get about the media capability? The ds might show movies, but they don't even come close to the psp because of the screen. I'll give you something that the psp has right now that the ds doesn't, the web browser. I'm sure the psp will come out with more upgrades, but the fact remains that the features are more likely to be actually used on the psp, because the screen is so much better.

[Kris @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

"Psp is ready to play Movie, music,USB connections,WiFi, okok so are DS but NOT OUT THE BOX".


To my understandings, the psp needs a memory stick to play movies,music, WiFi and all that. now, unless the psp comes with a memory stick( which I seriously doubt it does,and I may be wrong)you can't do all that stuff with the psp "out the box".

[Donald @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

PSP comes with a mem stick, 32mb enough for about a cd worth of songs and several games. and is is ready to play music usb connections, wifi out of the box.

[James @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

there is no way to fit a whole cd on 32 megs... barely 6 songs that will hold

[CloudScorpion @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

Sup, I'm back!
Im only here because of my total lack of things to do at this time of the night.
OK, to start off with, I must agree with the DS side of the arguement about the size of the game cards. Think about it this way, look at the quality and graphics of the first N64 games and then look at the later ones, the graphics inproved to the point they needed to add that expansion cartridge to play some games, like donkey kong 64. This shows that you can always find ways to jam more info into cartridges and cards. I would like to see nintendo finally try multi-cards for a game, they could use more space for graphics and game length, you just have to switch cards when you complete a portion of the game, for example final fantasy VIII.
Yes, the graphics on the psp are better, but when I'm playing a game, I'm not paying attention to the graphics, unless there is a cut sence.
Avenger hasn't replied in a while, I hope he's gone for good. Sometimes when I read his childish little comments, he makes such a fool of himself that I can't help but feel embaressed for him. Then to top it all off, he has horrible typing skills, but one day he'll learn that you insert a space even it you already added a comma.
And "thats fact talking", is that so? Game systems are mostly choosen due to the player's preference, so if you want to say something like that then don't be so general. It's like saying "apples are better than oranges, and thats fact". It's not fact. Apples may have more vitamins, but thats only one aspect and that statement can't be based on that. (I don't acctually know the vitamin content of apples, that was just a example)Games are like the taste, some people like the taste of apples better than oranges, some like gta more than zelda. It's completely prefrence, and that is normally the deciding factor. (Oranges are may favorite)
I hate to side with the psp here but I'm gonna, you guys say the ds has video? Well if you mean those little GBA video cartriges, then I got to say thats a very sad comparison. But if you think I'm wrong I would be glad to hear it, as I said, I hate to side with the psp.
Now this is my opinion, I think the ds thumb pad controles are the 2nd best game contoles out there, only topped by an optical mouse. But I can see how some people wouldn't like the touch screen, it does require some skill to use, plus some getting used to.
Well anyways, I am always going to back the ds for the most part. I notice something funny about the psp's advertisement scheme, in most of there commercials they show more black people than white, some of them, even twice as many. I don't mean anything racist by this, but teenagers tend to think that blacks are a hell of a lot cooler than white people, so thats why the psp commercials show more blacks than whites. (when I say black I don't only pure black, I mean darker than average dark asian) so basicly what I'm saying is the psp is no "cooler" than the ds, they are both game systems, so that means they are both in the same catigory.

[rlam @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

I have a psp and have also tried the DS demo at the stores. Price aside the psp is the better system of the 2 (Though that wasn't an issue for me).

The games on the psp are more like the stuff of ps2 standard where as the DS games felt more like a snes/N64 standard. The PSP is a more powerful system than the DS, no question.

The issue of gameplay? Well that depends on the games developers not the the console itself (as a few posts have claimed) but so far I haven't been disappointed with FIFA and Ridge Racer.

Battery life isn't an issue for me since I only play on the PSP in transit (2-3 hours tops) and when I'm at home I'll be playing on my gamecube.

If you agree with my opinion I'll say get the PSP but if you like the DS then get the DS.

[Bryan @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

I think there's a profound difference of perception around here.

AVENGER's comments are the case in point. He completely overlooks the fact that different perceptions exist and takes his angle as the absolute frame of reference from where to draw the baseline judgement. World politics in recent years have suffered from this type of absolutism as well, so this isn't a problem exclusive to PSP/DS debate. I won't get into writing an essey here, but suffice to say there's a big, colourful world out there, with many points of view. It isn't quite as black & white clear cut as AVENGER & co thinks. Let us save some breath and just wait and watch both do well in their fields.

[Zypher @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

I'm just wondering, what makes the psp incapable of playing fps?

[Bryan @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

"I'm just wondering, what makes the psp incapable of playing fps?"

I think people are referring to the control interface when mentioning fps. FPS will probably be best played on PC-type interface for years to come. So I think you misinterpretted the word "incapable".

[marty @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

um for any one in question the psp comes with a 32 mg memory stick(wich is not very usefull for music or movies but is great for saveing games). if you psp owners want to put more stuff on your memory stick you can pick up a good non-sony stick (thats still compatable with the psp) for a fairly good price (50 bucks for a 225 mg stick) and for e3 gamer there is a mach makeing online system for psp you just need a router somwhere close by so you can use the connection. to all the people complaining about fps on the psp it is posible if the square,circle,triangle and x buttons are used to straff and the analog nub is used to aim and stuff then the top bouttons could be used to shoot and the d-pad could be used for actions like opening doors yes it would be a learning curve but still an enjoyable expirience i would also like to point out that the gamplay for the ds is indeed innovative buti do not find the gameplay enjoyable on my part the touch screen in my opinion is a horrible method of control ( thats my opinion anyone is welcome to protest against it). I like to keep these things short so psp rules im out

[Bryan @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

AVENGER:

We all have different baseline perceptions. That's what you aren't getting. Your take on it is certainly 1 way to look at it, and I won't dispute that. I'm cool with your view. A lot of us are measuring the deal on the magnitude of potential, which DS does not lack at all. If anything, Nintendo's ideology backing it makes it better for many of us, never mind touchpad interface having a much more native mouse functionalities built into the system. Simplest sense of 'fun' that originates in a game is there for many of us, uncluttered by the monolithic competition (though common nowadays) of who's bigger and more complex.

Your baseline perception seems to revolve around level of technology primarily, and on that point, you are right. But that's really missing the point for many of us. I've been gaming for over 3 decades and I find grappling with new concepts much more fun, how it was in the beginning when everything was new. With the benfit of the hindsight 90s was a repetition of 80s for me, with better graphics. I don't want another decade of it. I don't see anything new in PSP - it's a convergence hardware, a fantastic technology, put together in one system. I admire great graphics and multimedia on my PC on 19" monitor. It doesn't wow me any more. I get this feeling of 'Dejavu', feeling I've been there before. And indeed I have many times. When 8 bit console went 16 bit. When 3D chipset was made. When polygon count increased massively in late 90s. It's nothing new to me.

But I don't expect everyone to see my point of view, because a lot of it is just a perception that emerge out of individual life experience and preference. There are many around me who share my perception, however. Suffice to say for now, as I said earlier, that the frame of reference with which we judge things vary from person to person.

I could go on writing a massive essay as I have a lot to say and prove, if I were to dig into specifics. Yet I don't think it matters much in the end, not least because you are set with your own perception already and you will always have it your way. That's fine.

In the end, we all enjoy what we enjoy in our own ways, and convincing each other is not the point here. Just go for the one you prefer. If you prefer PSP, go for it. Many of us would simply smile, nod, acknowledge your preference and just go on living our lives. Just don't shove it down other people's throats, assuming that everyone's perceptions are the same. There is a reason why our world has so many difference of preferences and opinions.

Then again, our civilization has had the tendency to wage a war to resolve difference in the past. And often politicians and academics have taken your stance, Avenger. Very narrow in field of vision, driven by absolutism and sophism. Over 2000 years ago, ancient Greeks identified the characteristics of someone like you and given the name 'Sophist'.

So perhaps it's our human nature. It's pointless though. Do us a favour and open up a bit and accept that you are just one of many people out there, no more valid or invalid in your views than the rest of us.

I will honour you with the last word as I will add nothing more. I didn't want to write long in the first place, but I think some people are completely missing the point so it's worth mentioning.

[Zell @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

Excellent points, Bryan.

[Rafael Filipe @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

I think that PSP is better than NDS. I have played and the contol in PSP is better tha DS, because we are very used to. Nintendo DS haves a problem, the games, the games on PSP are not a problem, because we can find out the most recent games, and on NDS, we just can play the classic games, like RAYMAN, SUPER MARIO, etc. I like NDS, but I don't like 2 screens, why 2 screens ?? They aren't needed, PSP haves a beautifull screen, high resolution, wide screen is very good. NDS can read GBA games, but the GBA games aren't good, their graphics are bad. The memory cards that NDS read, aren't very bigs, and the PSP UMD's haves 1,8GB of capicity, and on PS3, we can play them.
PSP and NDS are a good choise, but if you want to play a High games, buy one PSP...

[Raptor @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

Neither one sucks, but each one has certain poor aspects.

The DS flat out loses in terms of graphics technology. I knew this going in, and accepted it.

The PSP loses in battery life and load times. God, the load times...

I don't have a lot of games for either system, but I've got Wipeout, which doesn't impress me, and Lumines, which does, and could possibly be implemented on the DS, if the music is severely compressed and there's some solid dynamic looping logic in place. Wipeout, however, is simply a poor handheld experience. Load times are abysmal, making more than one race an exercise in frustration as you wait, wait, and wait some more, hoping that you'll have enough time to wrap up the track that just about to start up before-- crap, the bus just stop. Time to put the PSP away...

The DS? Lightning-fast load times, which really counts for a lot. And yes, the DS also has useless retreads, and games that just don't do the system justice, but then you get little gems like Yoshi Touch and Go, which can't be done on the PSP.

As for music and video, I assume that these are nice additional features, but they don't result in great handheld games. My music player is tiny compared to anything the PSP can offer, even with a 1GB MS Duo, fully loaded. Videos? A neat idea, but I'd probably just sit down in front of the TV anyway, where my Tivo offers better control over what I'm watching, in a much nicer interface.

All that said, I can't jump in support of either one. The PSP has prettier games, and some people think it's an adequate convergence device for their needs. That's great. Others think that the DS has more innovative games, taking advantage of features that the PSP simply doesn't have. That's great, too.

All I have to say is that I have Lumines, I have Yoshi, and you can't have my systems, since I've got good reasons to use them both.

[Battlehound @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

PSP will be bought by CASUAL gamers impressed only by looks and the odd good game. DS will be bought by kids and anyone who actually knows about gaming and who wants hardcore games with quality gameplay. Massive back catalogue of quality games, Mario Kart Super Circuit, Mario World, Zelda, etc The thing most people dont get is that whilst a lot of N games are sugar sweet on the outside, they are hardcore on the inside. Most people just get taken in by nice looking videos of games and decide they are better. Gameplay is King and The Big N rules when it comes to gameplay. Dont believe me, have a look at www.gamerankings.com. Look at the top 10 games of alltime: It breaks down as
Nintendo 5
DC 2
PS/PS2 2
XB 1

I rest my case.

[Pidro @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

Battlehound

No offense meant but I just checked the site you pointed out and while you are correct that Nintendo does have several items there, It is not really related to the Topic (PSP vs DS)here, these are all home console games and not DS or PSP (portable) games- The topic here (which I find really dumb because, why compare and pit the two against each other when we can enjoy them both as both of them are really good )is PSP vs DS not Nintendo vs. Sony. Peace

[PoS fanboy Troll @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

Ok, I was in EB games the other day talking about both machines. The EB games guy seemed to know what he was talking about, but that's not what I cared about. It was 2 stories he had to tell.

He said "Two days ago I saw a kid playing his PSP out in the Mall's hall. He dropped it from standing height, which was all of 4'8" and it smashed into a lump of sony flimsy pieces."

"Earlier today a lady came into the store to tell me a story."

Lady said, "I was driving home and 1 min down the road I see in my side mirror my DS fly off the side of my car and smash onto the road and skid for a few dozen metres. I stopped the car in horror for my DS and picked it up, there was a gash in the side and back of the DS."

EB guy says, "so which one would you like to replace it?"

She gives it to him to check out, he opens the DS sees that everything important has been left intact and damage free, it turned on and within seconds he was able to play Metroid on it.

That's just ANOTHER reason why Nintendo will always have an advantage... the PSP is poorly constructed for a big guy like myself. I could never use it because if I get frustrated... it'd break and be a huge waste of $350.00 the DS can take abuse as well as any other nintendo product. My NES still works. I know that there has been more PoS's returned last month than there ever will be broken Nintendo products.

[J-Rad @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

GUYS, COME ON!! Why are we comparing looks? It's about the games. So what if Nintendo is more kid oriented! One: They are planning to change the kid image. Two: Nintendo's 'kid' games are fun anyway.Why should you be embarressed about playing a game? It's not like anybody is going to know what your playing unless they are sitting there watching you!!

[J-Rad @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

Oh, and i'm not done yet! Regarding battery life, the PSP blows! Who wants to play a game or watch a movie and then, all of a sudden, the battery dies. Why do you think the original gameboy beat out things like the game gear? The game gear was huge, and ate batteries like a fat guy eats MM's! The original game boy was good on batteries. the game gear had color, and what-not, and the game boy was not in color. But guess what! Nintendo's games were better still. People didn't want to buy batteries. I know that you simply charge up the PSP and DS, but it's on the same principle, the battery life does count, and more than people think.

[Battlehound @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

Pidro, I take your point but remember Mario World,(released as Mario Advance 2) and Legend Of Zelda are available on DS as they are already available for Gameboy Advance, both are perfect conversions. As is Mario 64.

[AVENGER @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

cloudscorpion,when did i say that bryan was blind!?huh?and please tell me what else do you look at when comparing systems besides the specs?how am i blindly defending the psp i obviously no more about the systems than half of you ds fans here!i bet half of you dont even know what ds stands for!and dude the point of the whole "life story" thing was an example to point out how long his message was!cause in case you havn't noticed this is made for short forums not novels!

marty,i have no reason to dis you since your soposidly a psp fan(a disgraceful one but its ok).and besides that theres nothing to argue with you about cuz all you do is act like a child and call people names like stupid and idiot.if your gonna call yourself a psp fan than please,grow up!damn!

i've said it befor and i'll say it again,ds dosnt got nothin on psp!

[AVENGER @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

one more thing,i've been asked by ds fans in the past to "name one thing psp can do that ds cant"and i did!so now i have a question for you ds fans.name one thing ds can do that psp cant!(excluding pictochat cause most would prefer psp's wirless online instant messenger!)

[John Ritter @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

I used to have a Nintendo DS I was waiting for it at the launch, it seemed like a pretty cool system! I asked the guy at the videgame store and he said it would be around 200 dollars. I was tempted by Nintendo DS commecials "touching is good" but after all the excitment had died i actually got to look at the DS. I noticed it look like a GBA SP with Engage graphics, my jaw dropped in awe that Nintedo would pull the wool over the eyes of so many Nintendo fans. I was one of the lucky guys that didn't have money on the launch date to buy it and later bought a PSP which suits my gaming needs just fine. I don't really hate the DS or anything I just don't think it has anything to offer me that I would like

[Pidro @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

Battlehound,
I know that there are ports to DS made for those games but, the site you referred to listed and ranked games bought for home consoles, people didn't buy the DS versions of these games or else it would have been indicated there, instead they bought the home console version. all I'm saying is unless the site lists these games as games bought specifically for DS, then we simply can't use these data to say DS is better than PSP or vice versa. AS I kept saying, why compare the two, choose one you like, sit back and enjoy it. Bashing others because of their preference over a portable gaming device is kind of pathethic don't you think?

[Pidro @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

Battlehound,
I know that there are ports to DS made for those games but, the site you referred to listed and ranked games bought for home consoles, people didn't buy the DS versions of these games or else it would have been indicated there, instead they bought the home console version. all I'm saying is unless the site lists these games as games bought specifically for DS, then we simply can't use these data to say DS is better than PSP or vice versa. AS I kept saying, why compare the two, choose one you like, sit back and enjoy it. Bashing others because of their preference over a portable gaming device is kind of pathethic don't you think?

[Alexander @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

PSP is $299.99 at Wal-Mart in Canada. NDS is $199.99 in Wal-Mart. PSP is $100.00 more than NDS, and in some places, 2 times more the price. PSP is better and has a lot more technology into it. DS has worse graphics than PSP, but better sound. It has two screens with toch sensitive technology. PSP has no touch sensitive technology and has one screen, but bigger then the other two put together I believe. PSP is more valuable and has a scratch free screen. I don't know if DS has a scratch free screen but when you fold it, it gets protected. DS uses cards, PSP uses discs for games, but great technologies. Personally, Nintendo could make the DS a much better system, even better then PSP, if they tried. GAME AND WATCH, VIRTUAL BOY, GAMEBOY, GAMEBOY COLOR, GAMEBOY ADVANCE, NINTENDO DS. Nintendo's army of handheld systems RULE the world. Atari Cosmos and the Sega Game Gear were done for, and the same goes for all other hand held systems. All that is, besides the PSP. BAM!!! Sony's first hand held system beats all, even Nintendo DS and the army of Gameboy's. I think the Atari Cosmos was the first handheld system. Built in 1978 it has sound as good as some of the GAMEBOY's that were later built. Nintendo should have more experience because it was out longer, and Sony's PSP wipes it out the minute it was released. Why? How embarassing is that? Nintendo has the potential to build the best hand held system, it must! And why are its games soo kiddish. Besides Resident Evil, a game that would pass for a PS2 or X-Box game, Nintendo's collection of video games are mostly childish games. When NES came out, Nintendo was the CRAZIEST SYSTEM OUT THERE! It hasn't yet adapted to the fact that it has to upgrade itself a lot more than in is. Sony and Microsoft, when they upgrade, they upgrade a lot. When Nintendo upgrades, its very little. Therefore, if Nintendo doesn't upgrade fast, it's history. That is what happened with the Sega Dream Cast, Atari systems, Coleco systems, and Magnavox systems. Nintendo had the craziest systems out there until Gamecube came out. N64, I'd say, was better than Playstation overall. Although Playstation was still better then N64 in some areas. Gamecube was a let down and got wasted by X-Box and PS2. The only few things superior to the Gamecube was the small discs and the fact that it was a better laser device. Nintendo hasn't adapted to the fact that it isn't the best any more. It acts like nothing is wrong and that they are still number one. It's in danger of going out of business like Sega, etc. It has to upgrade at the same level or more as the newer systems. Competition is the key to success.

By the way, why isn't there an X-Box handheld system. Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo all release their new systems at around the same time for some reason, and I've got the feeling that there isn't going to be a microsoft handheld system. They could call it, X-Box Mini or something, LOL.

Wow, the future is so crazy. Nintendo Revolution, Playtation 3, and X-Box 360!

[Bobus X @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

DS vs PSP points.

� On DS innovation�The N64 was the first to have rumble and analog control among major consoles (not including Atari�), but the Playstation beat it out massively in sales anyway. Innovative Controls have not made major impacts in console success before, and I would be surprised to see it start now.
� On PSP being just like the Gameboy competitors before it�The PSP is the first handheld competitor to come out after the maker had already dominated the home console market (for 2 generations no less�) Comparing it to the N-Gage is downright ridiculous. Nokia�when did they have a major gaming following? Sony is firmly established as the current king of non-PC gaming, and that reputation and recognition will do them very well in the Handheld market.
� On the PSP being �just� a portable PS2. Granted the current set of PSP games are very port heavy, but some interesting original IPs are coming out for it (Death JR, Lumines, etc). Also, the PS2 has the largest Developer support base of the home consoles, and they have brought that with them to the PS2. It may take a little time, but they will come out with interesting and original games, just like they did on PSX and PS2. Not to mention the fact that you can even make a viable port of a PS2 for a handheld system is just amazing. I mean, can the DS port Resident Evil 4? Or the Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker? Not even close.
� On design issues. The DS is rather unattractive. The PSP looks wonderful IMO. Does the fact that I find a game system unattractive mean I am a total tool of fashion? Hell no! I don�t go out and buy the newest Jordans because I need to look impressive, and I did not buy a PSP because I want people to think I am cool. Sometimes, it is nice to own something that looks interesting, and that looks like the designer cared about what it looked like. The PSP looks modern, the DS looks dated and simple. Even the GBA SP, in all its simplicity, managed to look like it was well made for its purpose. The touch screen on the DS, not to mention the extra screen, made it necessary to add a bunch of useless space to it, simply so you could hold it without covering up the screens. Very inefficient to say the least. If you did not need that, it could have been half the size.
� On Portability issues... Neither of these systems are very portable in the manner of the GBA SP. I don�t think either of them will fit into anything smaller than a cargo pocket. So when it comes down to carrying memory sticks, games, or extra styluses(?), I think it is a moot point. Most likely you will be carrying it in a bookbag or some other large storage item. For true portability, look at the GBA Micro. That is more innovative than either system to me in a way, because they actually took decent portable gamin, and made it small enough to fit into any normal sized pocket. Now that is portable!
� As for Game lineups�Nintendo is IMO the best game developer in the world. They make so many games that while not necessarily the best looking, are usually incredibly fun. There third party support at home sucks, but it is much stronger in the handheld market. It is almost guaranteed that the DS will make a handful of games that will be must haves, and will make people want to buy the system just to play those games. I think the question is whether they can get a lot of third party developers to make good DS games. The touch screen definitely will have some cool uses, and there will be some very innovative games made for it. Problem is, many of the gamers that spend big money in the market miss out on a lot of those games. Great developers just don�t get the publicity they need to make it vs the popular franchises. Just look at Oddworld. The developer has closed its doors after making some innovative and interesting games that just never caught on with the masses. I am afraid the same will happen with some awesome DS games, and that will keep some other developers from taking the risks that they should with this new control tool. As for the PSP, I think they will do very well on the strength of their truckload of popular game series, made by many different developers. They also defiantly have the edge on Nintendo in RPGs and the portable sports games may be big sellers too, now that they may actually look good. Sports games and Halo are pretty much what made the Xbox a player, and if they had Final Fantasy too, they just may have stolen a much bigger chunk of market share.
� As to Battery life�I have had my PSP since February, and the only time I have had the battery run out is when my wife borrowed it and did not charge it for 2 days (her cell phone battery is always dying, so she kinda sucks at that). I have never had the opportunity to play so long that the battery ran very low, and the only time I could see that happening is on a long plane flight. In that circumstance, I would pack my charger (both car and A/C) so that I could just plug it in on the plane. That may be one more thing to pack, but if I am already bringing a PSP, then it really does not add much more. The only advantage I see to the DS having longer battery life than the PSP is that I can forget to charge it for several days, and still play it. The problem is, I can charge the PSP in almost any location I would be playing it for long enough to run it out, not only that but I purchased an extra battery charger from Pelican for $20 that I can plug into the PSP and play on it or charge it. Granted it cost extra, but the age group that the PSP is targeting has a lot of disposable income (not saying the DS market is poor or younger, but I do think it crosses a broader range).
� As for people being tired of current gaming structure�Gaming right now is more popular than ever, and I don�t think the market is going to die down soon. Honestly, it does not feel like a touch screen is needed to jolt the market to life. It is already alive and well, and the touch screen itself is not blow the market wide open. It has been wide open for years now. I do feel that some franchises are tired, but they remain extremely popular despite little innovation. Look at sports games�the only innovation seems to come now with the boost in graphics as each console generation comes out. They are still some of the best selling games on the market in the US. Innovation is wonderful, and I wish there was more of it, but it does not guarantee money, especially when the tried and true formula is making bank right now. You can tell me that a touch screen will suddenly change the way games are made and looked at by the general public en masse.
� My general opinion about the competition�It is probably obvious by now that I favor the PSP over the DS. That does not mean I don�t like the DS. It is an extremely neat system, that will almost definitely lure me to purchase one once the �must have� games come out for it. But I think a lot of the arguments against the PSP have little merit. The strengths of the DS over the PSP seem to be that it has less cost, more innovation in gameplay, tons of previous success and fan base in the handheld market, and biggest of all, Nintendo makes games for the DS and not the PSP. I think the PSP will grab a huge market share, but Nintendo will not die. They are just too good to go out like that. They will attract some new casual fans because of the simplicity of the system, but beyond a few people desparate for innovation, I think the market will favor the PSP.

[Jared @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

Few notes... those who talk about rumble, a company called InterActual created it, and are now sueing Nintt
Battery life on a DS is better, BUT u can switch out a battery on a PSP, not on DS

Im neither a fan boy nor flamer, but from what i've seen, People get jelouse pretty easy, and that leads to bashing a system that they think is better than what they have.... N64-ers hated the ps1, ps1 players despised xbox and so on. stuff like this happens, machines improve. Buy what u want and enjoy it

[marty @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

Avenger I'm sure that I am a discrace but you are just arg you don't give light to the fact that people have their own opinions even worse you put them down for it wich is not nice so i'm sure your mommy has told you this one before........ if you got nothin nice to say then don't say it. Psp rules im out

[joey @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

::ahem:: I would like to say one thing. This thread wasn't made for flaming... Both of you, Marty and AVENGER, are being immature. Take your banter elsewhere.

Anyway. From what I have read out of many magazines and websites, it seems to me that the PSP is the way to go. Both DS and PSP have great games, but with the right knowledge... and hacks... you can surf the internet with the PSP. Someone please tell me if the DS can do that.. I would like to know if it can. The DS is extremely innovative, but personally, I like the fact that the PSP has more of a fan-base (at least from what I have seen).


Oh yeah, by the way, who cares if the PSP has only 2-4 hours of battery life. That's what the power cord is for ;)

[Paul @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

I've spent many a sleepless night pondering over the ultimate choice.Now i say...SCREW IT,I'M GETTING BOTH!

[Carnage Rules @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

DS Sucks! The touch screen is for you Nintendo retards without skill.

[marty @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

ok AVENGER you are way out of line mr. oh Im better than everyone else. Let's get one thing straight my name is not mary but you can call me whaterver you want it just makes you look stupid and by your actions you seem very twelvish to me by the way you respond to whatever I say about you I am very impresed by the fact that little avenger can read!! what is this oh if I knew you in person I'd beat you're ass you took it to far (like a 12 year old does) the psp is better I agree but you can't go cavolting around telling the ds people(and me) that the're pussys. oh and I noticed you're making an effort to spell correctly! I may have done some good in this world by the way I have come up with another hypothisis about your age. Listen to this one do i hit the target? you are probobly an illiterate 17 year old who droped out of highschool wich explains the swearing and your inabillity to write!! It also explains your exteamly negative attitude tward everything that comes to your dislike. did I hit on target cause I would also like to point out that you probobly live in your parents basement? Am I right? I would like to hope so because its either that or you're 12. oh and joey I would like to apolligize for my immiturity (i don't think thats a word) this will be the last post targeted at avenger writen by me I swear no regardless of how he responds. YOU have my word Joey. AVENGER scince I made that little promise I will tell you one last thing GROW UP. psp rules I am out

[Patrick @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

Wow, a lot of you need to grow up. They're both portable entertainment systems. I have a DS and my brother has a PSP. I like them both. Let's face the facts here for past, present, and future:

DS:
Free online services
10 hour battery life w/ rechargeable
Range of games from shooters to RPGS to puzzle
Slightly better than N64 quality gaming
$30 to $40 dollar games
$150 system
Will eventually use DivX conpression to play feature length films
Has a nifty touch screen for added fun

PSP:
Free online services
Plays music
Plays movies
Mostly sports and shooter games
Big LCD screen that, with protector, works like a charm
Only slightly larger than the DS, just as portable
Very sexy in black
Slightly worse than PS2 quality games
$40 to $50 dollar games
$250 system
Low battery life

Now look at the facts layed out. There are upsides and downsides to each system. And they are both different. This argument is a big one and it is based on only opinions and bias. Do what you want to. And have fun with it.

[CloudScorpion @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

Avenger:
As they say talk is cheap, so cut the "beat your ass down" junk, even if you are a 300bls mountain of muscle, no one here cares, and we would not be able to tell if you were a 300bls macho man or a 115bls nerd. Also, it's not that most of us are too young to hear your little swear words, but little kids may come by this site and read this stuff, so seriously cut out the swearing.
I don't remeber Mastermind stating any thing he said was fact, all most likely his own opinion, which again you have failed to understand that an opinion is something every one is entitled to.
Haven't you noticed almost everyone is against you? Even psp fans like Marty is sick of hearing your garbage! Marty and I have different views on which system is better, but neither of us are cussing at eachother over it, we ain't argueing at all, because as so many people have tryed to tell you, almost everybody here is only trying to argue their preference, and why they choose which to buy or side the system they choose. You are almost the only one who is trying to state that your opinion is pure fact, specs are facts, opinion airn't! So the psp isn't the best system to choose, people will buy what they like, regaurdless of what you say!
Plus the ds's dual screen and touch screen is amazing and if harnessed properly, can possibly make some of the greatest games ever! I find First person shooter games much more easy to controle and play on the ds, compared to every other system that uses a control pad or joy stick! I hope they come out with better uses for the bottom screen as well, because always having a map at the bottom seems a little wasteful currently. Not to say the map hasn't become really useful in mario 64 ds, its been a life saver at times! And I agree that Metroid Prime Hunters is gonna be the bomb!
Lastly, I laughed when I read "so you dont have to answer this just give like all the other ds fans that have fallen in the wake avenger!", LOL, I guess your confused, no ds fan has fallen in your wake, they simply walked away after realizing that your skull is too damb thick to get anything to you! How is it that no one has gotten through to you that your opinion isn't fact! So Marty hasn't fallen, I'd say he walked away victorious, while you are the one that has fallen, the only problem is you don't know when to stay down!

[AVENGERhater @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

Actually, I didn't have another name, and since that was the reason I posted, I decided to make it my name.

and maybe, instead of spouting off crap like "psp just wins theres nothing ds has or will ever have on it!" maybe you should say something that has substance for a change, cause you know saying "cause i hav allot of facts on psp that beat the ds so bad that it looks like a fisher price toy!so try me,realy please do." (WTF?!?!) is really going to make people believe the PSP is better than the DS. If you have so many "facts" then just say it. I hate it when people are indirect retards who think they know everything.

[Mojay2k4 @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

I played ds POS PSP is the shit it looks nice and yall have already heard most of this shit. I wanna know if there is an SNES emulator out for ds..? NO i didnt think so. What about even an nes emulator or some decent homebrew games? OH wait NO. Bottom line DS sux if you have ever played a PSP you know that it is one of the coolest things you have ever laid your hads on. Now excuse me while i go play my PSP and throw my DS at someone(nintendo CEO) for not making any major iprovements in their handhelds for 12 years. I think nintendo should stick around cuz if there is only one company making handhelds then they will both compete thus cheaper stuff and improved stuff C YALL PSP emulators at www.psphacker.com

[Pidro @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

Guys,
Guys, enough is enough, this has gone on for too long and nothing will come out of this except to show that many who are here are acting foolish and immature over something very trivial (2 gaming systems!!)I don't know if you realized that Peter Rojas, the guy who started this thread might be using us as entertainment? Never once did I see him post anything, it's like he just created a war and he just sat back and watched. If it was his idea that the whole PSP vs DS thing is a nice laugh then he ought to be tarred! Does anyone realize that we are pouring so much hate and ill-feelings over two gaming systems? There are better things in life than this. Channel your energy into somthing productive and creative instead of this. Cursing out someone will not make a person change his stance nor change his mind. If you like a certain system then state why you like it and allow others to do likewise for their own preferred system. You want your opinions and stance to be respected by others then earn it by respecting the opinions and stance of others.


Engadget moderators/site owners you ought to be ashamed of yourself for allowing things thing to drag on for this long. Shape up Mods!Maybe lock or clean this whole thing up or something. I'm sure there are many others like me who visit Engadget to get the latest news regarding gadgets, we read this PSP vs DS thread to learn why people like the PSP or DS and not to see people bicker and curse with each other. Peace

[AVENGER @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

wow i feel so loved you guys seem so obssesed with me that im all you can talk about!once again cloudscorpion,you make some long ass essay style post about nothing of any relevence.and once again i read like the first paragraph and just forgot about it!but it is worth saying that im closer to 115 lbs than to 300!but i can box so its all good!another thing,i dont care if kids read this and se"swearing" cuz they probably hear it all the time ie tv,parents, other kids ect.

AVENGERhater-for some who likes me enough to take part of my name you don't seem to keep up with my posts.you want me to give you facts!?see my posts 530-622!and you wanna know why i stoped saying facts about psp see post 642!so even though your probably unable to,i advise you to THINK befor you make dumbass statements like "i hate it when people are indirect retards who think they know everything"!

mastermind-why the hell are you calling me 12 when you use words like "wanker"(wat ever the hell that is)and say your just stating your "oppion"!(is that some made up word?)and of course im not gonna stop comin here cause some confused kid wants me to!

[MasterMind @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

Pidro's right!
lol but it don't mean im gonna stop postin, this is just some where i go when i get bored. DS RULES, METROID PRIME HUNTERS IS GONNA WHIP THE PSP!

[MasterMind @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

lol just to clear things up for little Avenger, a wanker is someone who masterbates, though im just taking it out of term and using it as a form of insult, much like calling some one a f*cker, you most likely don't mean it for it's real meaning, you use it just as an insult. When I said oppion i ment opinion i just messed it up and didn't notice.

[CJ @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

Well, I hear all of you guys (mostly fanboys) whining about how the ds out sold the PSP, well heres a cold fact for you. The DS was a major evolution to portable gaming when it came out, and since it was "So awesome!", everyone went and bouht one, not knowing how well the psp would be, and when the PSP came out, most people went and bought a DS, why? Because it was a first in evolutinary gaming, now think about this, what would have happened if the PSP was first? And on the thing saying that the PSP is just re-cycling its big brothers titles, so what, thats exactly what nintendo has been doing since the days of the NES, except on the DS, its controlled different, by a touch screen; all tha is, is a different approach, an innovation to portable gaming, but the PSP did the same thing, like the photo viewer, movie player, mp3 player, and game player. Oh, and to compete with teh touchscreen, they have the analog "nub". Not saying it is awesome, but I like it alot better than the toich screen, i.e. on mario 64 DS, when you ran around for a bit, you had to re-position your finger on the touch screen, which was annoying. I still personally only by games for teh purpose of it, the game, not the hardare. I wouldn't have traded my DS into game x change if it had the titles of the PSP, but it doesn't. I still like both, and would probally keep the DS, but I don't have enough money for both. But really, c'mon guys, your acting like noobs here, the PSP does out compete the DS, hardware wise and game lineup wise, hands down. But thats solely my opinion, so don't flame my arse for saying it. :)

[AVENGERhater @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

Yeah, actually I did read those posts, and I found content that was either opinionated or false. None of that stuff that you said had substance. For example...
- "5.psp has much better gamplay due to better controls,beter graphics and no damn stylus!" ...uhhh better gameplay is your opinion, developers are still coming up with ways to use the touch screen in games.
- "6.psp with only a cheap adapter can take non duo memory stix"...maybe you should do some research and figure out what you're talking about. duo sticks are smaller than regular sticks, its the opposite way around, they have adapters so duos can fit into regular memory stick slots.
- "8.psp is capable of instant messenger" How does that make it better than the DS? I don't even want to imagine the pain of typing things in on the PSP using the buttons. And even if they made a keyboard for the PSP, I wouldn't want to buy ANOTHER expensive accessory for the PSP just so I can IM my friends when i'm not home.
- "10.the quality of the system is actually very good compared to the cheap ds." You know.... there must be a reason why all those people out there say that the DS feels like its nearly indestructable, while the PSP feels like it'll snap in your hand.
- "11.psp has a long battery life for the amount of power it uses(4-8 hrs.)" That's not what my friend says the battery life is. (he'd know cause he owns one... he says 2-3 hours on games)
- "12.the psp is easily hackable" And that's supposed to be a feature included with the PSP? Imagine... Sony advertising PSP.. "this gaming system is as powerful as a PS2, as small as a... small brick, and it can be easily hacked!!!"
- "13.and u have an analogue nub which is allot better than swaying and poking at the screen with a stylus." I dunno about you... but I usually don't sway when I use a stylus or write with a pen. And who says the awkwardly positioned nub is better than a stylus... A stylus offers so much more freedom than a nub.

Yeah, because your so-called "facts" aren't really facts, I'll give you one point for your effort at a comeback at my previous post. Anyway... get your facts straight first. (all your other posts were commenting about about how you have "facts" and that the DS has nothing on the PSP. You don't need to re-iterate the media capabilities either, I think we established that advantage a long time ago.)

[kevn @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

All of you who bought one of these goddamn toys are just pissed because you cant have both all of you opinionated bastards should stay the fuck off and for all of you who actually know how to communicate in a sophisticated manner, yes you are right. are you happy now.

[CloudScorpion @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

You guys are right! I've wasted too much time trying to teach Avenger the error of his way. I think its about time I get back on track to the point of this forum.
I've tried the "nub" on the psp, I think it works pretty good, but I still perfer the touch screen like in Super Mario 64 DS. I find the stylus uncomfortable to use unless I'm on Picto-chat, so I almost always use the d-pad or thumb-pad (my personal favorite).
I can't use the thumb-pad with my left hand, I'm too uncoordinated with my left, so I play rayman ds with the d-pad and buttons, I wish rayman had more controle options, I like using the touch screen with my right hand and action buttons with my left.
I find the touch screen gives the 2nd best controle in first-person shooters, only topped by the optical mouse. I've never liked using a controle stick for aiming, so the touch screen is a life saver for FP shooter games for me.
I too think Metroid Prime Hunters will be amazing when it comes out, I would also like to know when the game comes out in north-america. Please if any one knows can they post it. Thanks!

[marty @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

parden me all but I think you guys should just ignore AVENGER and his idiocy. I know he is a pain and all but that dosn't mean we have to be idiots to so I ask all of you ds fans and psp fans like me who don't like him to just ignore him.he will eventually learn the error of his ways (hopefully) and stop being one sided and stupid (once again hopeully). Cloudscorpion thanks for your insite on my opinions it means alot and I also respect you and your opinions about the ds but i disagree about the touch screen I find it very annoying and stupid I like the analog nub better(my opinion). I do very much wish to play metroid prime hunters though(what kind of a real gamer wouldn't?)it looks very awsome(I have a ds by the way) with that said I take my leave.
psp rules I am out!!!

[odw @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

This doesn't seem to be getting anywhere. If anyone reading this is trying to decide which one to buy, I would say that the psp is well worth the higher price. I'm very satisfied with it, peoples reaction to it is definitely worth it. I havent played it recently, because I'm waiting for more games to come out. DOes anyone have any information when gta is coming out?

One good thing about it is downloading clips or cartoon episodes on the memory card (like aqua teen) and watching them. Ohh and by the way, I think avenger was talking about an adapter to use memory card duo pro, which hold more (I think up to 4gb), it was supposed to be a hack or something.

[Hao HD Rulez ! WHY CAN'T WE BE FRIEND? ! @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

Dear E3Gamer

have you even played half of the PSP games that has come out? or you just played the ones you have?
Are you saying RidgeRace sucks? or Wipeout Pure? or Hotshot golf...I don't understand why you keep saying all their games suck without supporting your claim.
128MB is not small, and I agree NES (FC) had some great games but lets see if you can play through FF2 one more time. I don't see how the DS is revolutionay neither is the PSP. I simply think that PSP's games look better and more appealing. If you think you SNES and NES and N64 are all you need, please keep playing with them while I am moving on.
In my comment I said that DS has a good future but at this point they need alot of work! DO you realize that DS only has 20 games now after a year and titles they going to get only about half of what PSP going to get (source: compare any website's upcoming PSP games and DS games, or EB website's coming soon games)?!
Go to play all in all 20 titles of DS games and then you can try tell me if DS is revolutionary! the truth is, to some people, inculding me, nothing is revolutionary after SNES.
I don't understand why you have to go on and accusing me not owning GBA and GB...come on give me a break! I am from Japan, home of Nintendo! Do you even know some of the old school Nintendo gears? The SNES Satelaview BSX (I still own it), Vitrual Boy (also own one with1 game Red Alarm...$40 for sale with system). Do you even know what they are? Those are the products of creativities (and mistakes)! OH you don't have them? I don't feel sad for you. Metroid is not playable yet in here but you said it like you have played it. LOL. PSP can't play FPS? Did you tried Konami's Coded Arms? OPS, my bad...NOT released in US yet. Battlefield 2 is coming to PSP...and...not coming to DS...oh no!
IN FACT, how many FPS games are annonced for DS? ONLY ONE! The one you haven't even played yet: Metroid Prime: Hunters! How could you acuse PSP can't play FPS while you haven't even played one. Stop making general assumption when you say a game sucks tell me why.
You would be right on target if you have said that PSP can't play strategy games as well as DS.
I own both DS and PSP and it just happen to be I like PSP a little better but I still defend DS sometimes so stop talking to me like I am a DS hater!

PSP can do (that DS can't):
Play UMD=DVD quality movies (DOES NOT require memory stick..Kris your understanding made me laugh hard, thank you. UMD format movies are 12.99, right now there are 7 titles, at Circuit city)
memory stick plug-in
16:9 view
Web browser (thank you ODW, good point)

DS can do (that PSP can't):
Touch screen
Nintendo's games


Last thought:
Metroid Prime: Hunters won't be online ready, you can only play with 4 people in local network out of box. To get to the point you can play with 4 people over the world? maybe six months or longer after it is released on 8/22/2005

Enjoy what you have, DS and PSP are both cool toys. Lets not call neither of them sucks.