PSP vs. DS

If you've really been dying to know how the PlayStation Portable compares to the Nintendo DS in terms of size, Lik-sang has a pic of the two side-by-side. There might be only one of them, but the screen on the PSP is, uh, very big.

[Via Joystiq]

[TWINKIE TWINKIE TWINKIE @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

few mistakes, on #3, i'm talking about the PSP.
on #4, let me rephrase the whole sentence cuz it came out wrong.

"It's not that all Nintendo Games are kiddy, it's just that people pin point that ONE game that is kiddy and blame it on nintendo. (plus, there are plenty of games that are teen that are from nintendo.. or at least should have been. For example, Metroid, Geist, the entire RE series, Seventeen (i think it is), The entire James Bond series, Mortal Kombat series, even tony hawk series too! and you can't forget Super Smash Brothers, the greatest 4 player game ever.

Lastly, on #6, i forgot to mention that AVENGER is a real piece of crap for getting my mother in this. i mean wtf do you have to get my mom sexually involved just to insult me? You sank low there, but don't worry, i tried to get your mom involved too, but she was babbling too much because she made a HUGE mistake giving birth to YOU. Get a life!... or atleast a girlfriend, you are in real nessesity of one.

[AVENGER @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

gamepimp-first of all i really don't like GTA. and no i don't want the psp to be tough. it's just a better system! and why the hell do you wanna discuss games? this is a ds vs psp forum, not games vs games! so why don't you want to discuss game systems?...is it because you already know that psp beats the hell out of ds as a system!(specs or other wise) games are based on opinion so it's pointless to argue them.

twinki-yea i know wat your thinking, i spelled your name wrong. well the fact of the matter is i don't give a f*ck wat your name is and i don't respect you enough to call you by your real name! you say specs don't matter!? why?because the system your going for has sucky specs!? and the sales of a game console has little to do with the quality! nintendo has so many of you dedicated fanboys that they don't need quality!(and psp is double the price,that affects the sales)and no there is'nt a legend of zelda game for ds but you know it's coming. then you said "psp is bad"(is'nt that so detailed)see thats just your dumbass opinion! and no twink you brong your own mom into this when you mentioned her!

ds has nothin on psp!

[Spunky @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

avenger- you dont like gta????? what the hell is wrong with you??? are you retarded????? dont you know good games????? you better stop playing your psp and start playing a real game. real games aren't psp games. and specs dont matter, really. if you just look at numbers then you're missing out on good stuff. but i bet you dont give a shit. all you need is a psp.
the ds doesnt have original games???? maybe the charcters are old, but the games are new and not watered down ps2 games. who cares if mario, metriod, wario and pokemon have been see before, at least the ds has made the games differently to support the new innovations.

by the way besides the speakers, dual screens and touch screen, the ds also has download play. if you're stupid and dont know what that is then let me tell you. its the ability to let your friends download parts of the game to thier ds. that way eight people can play off one game card (goldeneye rouge agent is the shit). yes that is a feature the psp doesnt have.

are you serious? you really dont like gta? i have to agree with twinkie; your mama did make a mistake.

[gamer @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

HAH! to end the discussion, based on specs, the PSP wins. But the better system is based more on specs, it depends on how many people like it, or it's games. Just as you can say the playstation is better than the N64, since the playstation has lots more better games even if it has lower end hardware than the N64. as you can see, the better system has more sales, and more people like em. The N64 does have some good games, but the fact is that u get more with a playstation. The fact that sony is on the top spot proves that it has a superior system based on games not on system specs alone. I believe its gonna be the same with the PSP and the DS. It's ironic since sony proved that even with the ps2 having the weakest hardware, they are still on top of the 3 consoles of this generation.Just look at the ps2 sales. So this means that its not hardware that makes the system better, its the games.

[gamer @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

and to make my point straight, we still havent seen the games that will make show the DS potential, also with the PSP, since the psp is still underclocked. when we see them in their full potential, we can have a clear decision on which is the better system. (you guys are locked in a never ending debate about specs, and unreleased games. u guys keep forgettin that in the end its all about the fun factor the systems give)

[TWINKIE TWINKIE TWINKIE @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

AVENGER- The ACTUAL truth of the matter is that all that stuff that you said about my name is bogus, since you spelled it right at least ONCE here (thank god he isn't THAT stupid).
Second, I really disagree with your opinion of the DS having Nothing over the psp. All that the PSP has over the DS is it's graphics. But graphics aren't what makes a game or system great. And that's a FACT, not an opinion. Another fact is that the DS has a greater amount of interactivity, all thanks to the touch screen. And for most certain, the DS has a longer innovation compared to the PSP, since it's just the standard mode of playing, compared to the DS, which brought a whole new style to gameplay by touching.(there's nothing wrong with it actually, but compared to the DS, it's not as great).
Last but not least, the specs really DON'T matter. Let's take the PS2, Gamecube, and XBOX for example.

Believe it or not, the PS2 had the WORST of specs compared to the other two systems. Yet, it skyrocketed in the Sales because of it's games and awesome 3rd Party Support. In conclusion, the specifications didn't matter.
Just to add, the multimedia didn't top over the DS either, since the GBA Media Player was released. If i'm not mistaking (please tell me if I am), the PSP can hold up to a certain amount of GIGS depending on how much paper you have, likewise with the GBA Media Player. But here's the trick: The DS can store more media because the smaller screen decreases the file size, yet still keeping its quality.

Just to remind you, all this DS/PSP information are STILL FACTS, not OPINIONS.

Although, what I think as an opinion is that AVENGER is unorigional and slow... and he still needs a girlfriend.

[wutang @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

hey guys...i REALLY need help...i can NOT choose between the DS or the PSP. My real choice is the PSP. im picky about graphics and i HATE kiddy games taht nintendo CONTINUOUSLY makes. im more of a sports/racer/GTA/RPG kinda person, and thats most likely what they're gonna make for the PSP. But i still need ur opinions on either the PSP or DS. im getting either one in about less than a week!(right now im going for the PSP)...THANKS!..peace

-wutang-

[MrInformed @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

GamePimp you piss me off. It's ass holes like you who just walk around screaming all this crap about things you no nothing about. You probubly don't even know what a Pimp is. Here's a little lollipop for you to suck on.
Dynasty Warriors (name two)
Untold Legends: Brotherhood of the Blade (name two)
Midnight Club 3 DUB edition
Metal Gear: Acid Solid
Twisted Metal: Head on
Need for Speed Underground 2
Spiderman 2
There now name 14 DS games that kick those games asses. Twinkie... your dilusional. games aren't all that matters if the graphics aren't good then that's bad. The PSP is a better buy, California must be screwed Gamepimp, or your just a dick; the second sound more reasonable. You jsut cuss to make your self sound tough. VIDEO GAMES AREN'T LIFE. This forum is for discussion; not pin heads that walk around cussing out every person that thinks differently than themselves. Nintendo does make games for kids and pre-teens. That's the kind of company they are. I am a PSP fan, not a fan boy. Sony is a great company, fucking it is just wrong. You probubly would cause you'll never get laid acting like a idiot. Lay off. Thank you Gamer, your the only new person here with a brain.

[TWINKIE TWINKIE TWINKIE @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

MrInformed, i'd just like to start off by spelling my name correctly. Thank you.

Although, something concerns me... your being a hypocrit (i have NO idea how to spell that). None of us but you cussed anyone out but yourself. And there is nothing "delusional" about cold hard facts. And for the fact, I am not giving you 14 DS games that beat those games only unless you can find 14 games for the PSP (i only spied 7, not 14). Also, that's an opinionated question so I am not gonna get into that.

[mista sars @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

come on guys do you even have a life? this is a forum to see what people think about the systems not about eachother if you think someone is misinformed then correct them with facts almost everything on here is opinion and you say it is fact. the systems are both good i dont kno what you have been smoking to think otherwise but i feel (opinion) that the psp is better even though it is more expensive you can watch movies on it and listen to music so come on if you have an opinion that is fine but admit that it is an opinion and dont try to force your ideas onto others

[Gamepimp @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

Sony Cuts PSP Production June 21, 2005

by: Matt Saunderson

Sony won't be producing the expected 18 million PSP units this year.

Earlier in the year Sony put out a number of 18 million units to the suppliers of components for the PlayStation Portable.

However, Sony now plans to cut production of the PSP by one-third, and in a recent meeting with suppliers put out a new number of 12 million.

It is not known why Sony is cutting back on PSP production. It�s major handheld competitor, Nintendo, remains posed to produce 20 million units of its Nintendo DS in the same period, as well as continue production of the Game Boy Advance SP and introduce a new version of the Game Boy, the Game Boy Micro.

[Gamepimp @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

I cut and pasted that last post from PSP ADVANCED. Do you know why Sony is cutting the production of PSPs? Cuz they realize smoke and mirrors only goes so far. The PSP is nice for a multi-media unit, but for games only DS is the platform to go with. It's the hottest platform on the friggin' planet right now if you didn't know. PSP will not be around in 2-3 years, trust me.

[Gamepimp @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

Mr informed - Thank you for your reply. You named games which are not awesome and not selling. I'll give you this, Lumines and Wipeout pure seem to have sold pretty well and that's it. I've played your other games and I'm very informed. I'm not gonna respond to all your other stuff cuz it's not true. I have no need to hide behind a computer. Anyway, Metal Gear Acid is a card based game that many people do not like and it's very frustrating. Just finished Need for Speed on the DS as well. Those other games just aren't selling. Ape Escape is the best game PSP has going for it and nobody even knows it. What a waste, they should've made it for the DS. Read the above post and see how Sony is cutting production of the PSP. And by the way Mr. informed, I have a life. I happend to work graveyard for a Major company and make some ok dollars while doing it. So it's no big deal to surf the web and clown a few people who talk mess. I don't remember calling you names(correct me if I'm wrong), I believe you started that. Anyway, Sony is not a great company and has never been. Explain exactly why they are a great company. Two products Sony made well. The Trinitron TV, and the Walkman. Other than that, Sony is not a Quality company and never has been. I'd like to hear your reason for Sony being a great company. Seriously, let's hear it. Back it up with facts. This is a forum and people debate and argue so here so relax. I await your next post.

[Gamepimp @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

To Twinkie and Spunky - I like your posts and you guys (or girls) hit it on the head. I admit I'm a huge Nintendo fan, but GTA is one of the best series of games. GTA San Andreas is one of the best games ever made and that's no joke.

So Avenger - I can agree that the PSP is technically more capable in some areas than the DS. Game Gear was more powerful than Gameboy. Turbo Graphix and Neo Geo were more powerful than Super Nintendo. So if history is correct, PSP should be gone from the market in Oh, let's say real soon.

[gamer @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

I don't think the PSP would be gone very soon, nintendo now has a competitor in the handheld market thats gonna last. You have to give sony credit for making a great handheld, but im not saying the DS is not great either, they both have different styles of playing games. Its their games that would make the difference.With the DS it is possible to make new kinds of games so you'd have a different way of playing, while the PSP is more of a traditional way of playing games (modeled after the playstation controller with 2 less buttons). I know history repeats itself, but when sony took over the consoles everything changed. I never thought nintendo would end up 3rd instead 1st, imagine how the snes was the king back in the days. THe PSP has a great future, and wont die out that fast, especially if they release the long life battery upgrade for it, or the net browser.

[Gamepimp @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

(Written by: Ben)

Marvel Nemesis will be hitting DS soon, and it will be alot different from console + PSP versions. Read in for more!


From ds.advancedmn.com:

Marvel Nemesis: Rise of the Imperfects for the Nintendo DS pits well-known Marvel heroes against a brand-new band of characters developed by Electronic Arts. Along with EA's creative designers, Greg Pak and Mark Paniccia of Marvel fame are heavily contributing to this comic-based fighting franchise of the same name.

DS Advanced today was able to get the very first details of the DS version from one of our extremely reliable inside sources at EA. And by the way the DS project is looking, it certainly stands out from the other ports.

The story binds players around an alien genius who is experimenting in creating these super-warriors. These fighters must contend with the superheroes of the Marvel universe to contend for world domination.

Now, the DS version will be somewhat similar to the PSP and console versions of the game, with some of the same characters and levels. The game is a straight-up, 3D 1-on-1 fighting game with elements exclusive only to the DS version.

First off, the title encaptures a side-scroller like feel, similar to previous Marvel games like Maximum Carnage for the SNES. The levels are larger for the DS with cool hidden areas, but the camera perspective is what makes the game so special. Rather than a fixed camera behind your superhero (PSP version), the DS title's camera will be more locked on the level environment itself. In this "3/4" angle, gamers can already imagine the possibilities for this game having direct similarities to Super Smash Bros. The stationary camera is certainly a fresh way of viewing the game's dynamic and highly interactive environments.

According to our source, the game "has the best potential out of all the versions, but it's still too early in development to tell how the final game will play out."

Other interesting gameplay features include a head-to-head multiplayer, with multi-cart play possibly being a requirement because of the game's gigantic arenas.

With the same tentative release date of the consoles, the Autumn 2005-bound DS title is sure to raise some eyebrows as more is revealed in the coming weeks.

There are currently no available screens right now.

Again, heads up to Advanced MN for getting this exclusive information

[Gamepimp @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

Nintendo to Build 20 Million DS, Sony Cuts Back PSP Production
6/21/2005, 12:27pm Eastern Time
Earlier this year Sony informed companies providing them with components for their PlayStation Portables to expect orders somewhere in the vicinity of 18 million units.

However, in a recent meeting with these suppliers, Sony confirmed that it plans to manufacture 12 million units instead-- 33.3 percent less than originally projected. On the flip side, Nintendo is prepared to manufacture over 20 million of its Nintendo DS units throughout the fiscal year. (wj)

Source: Nikkei BP

HMMMMMMMMMMMMM!


I WONDER WHAT KIND OF SALES PLOY THAT IS. IS SONY GOING TO MAKE IT SEEM LIKE THERE IS A SHORTAGE AGAIN? THAT WAS THE FUNNIEST SHIT I'VE HEARD SO FAR. "WE'RE GOING TO OUTSOURCE PSP PRODUCTION TO FUCKING MALAYSA CUZ THE DEMAND IS SO GREAT" HA HA HA


Gamer - I hear what you're saying, and from a ten year perspective you would be correct in your opinion of what Sony did to the market. From a twenty plus perspective, you'll see that it is Sony who is due for a fall. Atari fell, Sega fell, Nintendo fell (but never knocked out), and Sony will fall. It's a pattern that has repeated itself for years and years. As companies gain more power, they change their business tactics to gain more marketshare. In the end, they get blindsided by a newcomer. I'm in no way a Microsoft fan, but XBOX 360 is poised to really do damage to Playstation's "WORLD". What does this have to do with PSP? The way Sony marketed the PSP was arrogant and stubborn (just like Nintendo in the late 90s). Sony could have just made the PSP a game machine and put more focus on game quality. Forget the MP3, forget the movies, and those ridiculous game bundles. So many more people could have afforded it, and it's fan base would give Nintendo some bigtime competition. But noooooo! Sony wants to take out IPOD and Nintendo in one fell swoop. Then they won't fix the pixel problem. What kind of customer service is that? Arrogance. My point... Sony is ripe for the pickin'.

[tom @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

To Wutang-

I'm not gonna force you to buy a DS or anything like that but here's what I suggest in the matter of deciding between a DS and a PSP. If you have enough money, buy both of them. If you don't like one of 'em give it back. If you don't have enough money, either wait for the PSP price to drop and buy a DS to occupy your time until then, or just wait to get a PSP. But the best suggestion is to just try both and you decide. Don't play on the MP:H demo in the shops cuz you only get to use the stylus, it's best with the thumb-strap. If there's some people you know who own a DS and/or a PSP, then ask to try both, and then it's up to you to decide. But if you like sports/racer/RPG then get the PSP. Between the two, I prefer the DS because it opens up a whole new world of gameplay, and I like having new gaming experiences.

Gamer- I agree that the PSP will do well in the future, but I don't think it will kill DS in the handheld market. DS actually seems to be doing a little better, and that's a fact (that was pointed at you, Avenger). Don't get me wrong, the PSP is doing a good job as well, but at the moment, the DS is in the lead.

Avenger - stop talking about power. It's your only argument against the DS. I said Gamepimp was like you because he said that the DS is better than the PSP like it was fact. You do the same, except you're for the PSP and not the DS. It's an opinion. But if you want facts...
-The sound on the DS is better.
-The DS can play games that can't be played on any other console. Example: A concept like the one for Polarium would never work on GBA, PSP or any home consoles.
-Better load times (ugh... the load times...)
-Battery life (we all know this)
-Better interactivity

Anyway, there are a few facts for ya. I know PSP has better graphics and multimedia but DS can also do some stuff better than the PSP.

[Gamepimp @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

To Wutang - you're obviously going to have to do your own research because like it or not, we all have some kind of bias or some incorrect information that could incorrectly infuence your decision. Case in point...

the above post by TOM - tom says PSP is the machine for RPGs. He couldn't be further from the truth. He obviously doesn't know about the DS lineup besides what is already common knowledge. DS already has 15 RPGs in the making and PSP has roughly 5. Again, don't take my word for it. Do some internet searches like IGN etc... and you'll see what I mean.

Anyway, since you already know what the systems are capable of, it just comes down to your preference on games. The DS has different types of games. They have the conventional 2d 3d games with the thumbpad and buttons. Then they have the games which take advantage of the DS's uniquness (thumbstrap, stylus, mic, etc..)When you play those games it's like learning to play video games all over again and it's pretty fun.

The PSP has more of a PS2 feel (obviously) when you play it. Some games control well with the nub and some don't. If you want the feel of a Playstation on the go, that's what you'll get. The games are not totally innovative, but that's not a knock to Sony nor is it to discourage you from getting a PSP. It does what it's name intends... Playstation Portable.

Although DS has quite a few racers already and in the works, I would admit PSP is a better platform if that's your kind of game. The PSP will have more sports games than DS as well. Both have their share of ports (some good, some bad). You won't find GTA on DS either. But you will find some usual Sony developers siding with the DS which I find curious myself.
Examples.. Fullmetal Alchemist DS, Final Fantasy III, Dragon Quest, Dragon Warrior, Xenosaga DS, and even Shin Megami Tensei (makers of Nocturne and D.D. Saga). One might assume that PSP would have more RPGs but that's not the case. DS will be a platform for many real time strategy games and 1st person shooters. PSP of course will have many of it's 1st party titles coming out soon. Socom, Ratchet and Clank,Jak, etc...

Again, we're all a bit biased and you should do your own research ultimately. Whatever you do, don't ask a salesman at EB games cuz he won't know what to say.

[Justice @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

1000th Post! w00t!

PSP is better.

[tom @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

Congratulations, Justice.

Damn! I wanted to make the 1000th post. Oh, well, 1001 is as close as I'll ever get.

[Gamepimp @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

You're right Justice, PSP is better than The Nokia Ngage (although PSP better watch it's back - Ngage is coming on strong).

[wutang @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

-tom-

i have enough money myself to buy say all the accesories i need and a good game and maybe 2 UMD's....and im geting the PSP for my b-day. So im getting the PSP. But thanks for your help. I might get a DS in the future.

-gamepimp-

thanks for your reply. i was just curious, how would you play sports games on the DS.EX:touchpad?graphics?how would it be layed out.you probably don't know these questions, but those are just some of my questions in the future. And also im picky about graphics, so as i said to tom, im sticking with the PSP.

thanks for both of yours replies. i found them quite helpful.

-wutang-

[Gamepimp @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

You're quite welcome Wutang. Anything to help out a fellow gamer. No argument with the graphics issue. Have fun with your new toy and Happy Birthday!(whenever that may be).

[wutang @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

comment 998 by tom-

"Anyway, there are a few facts for ya. I know PSP has better graphics and multimedia but DS can also do some stuff better than the PSP."

i totally agree with you. I think theres quite a few stuff the DS can do that the PSP can't do. But on the other side, tehres quite a number of things the PSP can do that the DS can't. But i've heard of something that came out/coming out that u can watch movies, listen to music on the DS. this is just my opinion, some people are already complaining about not wanting to watch movies on the PSP's screen cuz its small, well the DS is 1/3 of the PSP screen yea no? It's a cool idea though.

Just think for a minute HOW FAR we've gotten in technology. in the past 10 years. It's amazing. well this is off topic but I just thought i'd bring it up.

-wutang-

ps: thanks game pimp

[gamer @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

Anyways i read your post, gamepimp, I actually own a PSP,If all of u dont know, they released an exploit on the american 1.5 version psp so that u can play homebrew games, meaning emulators.so as of now, The psp has more RPGs than the DS, from the snes, genesis, etc. and theres an upcoming emulator for the gameboy advance. hehe so i guess when it comes out the psp and the ds would have GBA support. the only sad thing is this is only an exploit so it would be gone after you've upgrade your psp firmware.

[MrInformed @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

God! I don't know what happened to me last night. i'm sorry to everybody. Listen. Since games are an opinion; you have to name 14 games for those. I like the DS, I just like the PSP more. I think that I get phycotic late at night, no more late night posts for me. Any way; listen, I personally think that we should just talk about hardware because games are an opinion. Listen; I like PSP games, Gamepimp likes DS games. We're all gamers, so we each like different games. Hardware is what we're talking about. Please let's talk about that.

[wutang @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

-MrInformed-

i agree wth u on the games and opinions on games, but dont u think its opinions on hardware 2? unless u give the specs. A lot of people dont really care abotu specs, I do, trust me. But i just think all hardware and concolse/ platforms are peoples opinions...you're ALWAYS gonna have people liking on thing or another. Theres no console that has no good opinions yea no?. But in ur term of hardware, it would be all about the specs.

-wutang-

[gamer @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

Mrinformed it has already been pretty clear that the PSP is already better on hardware than the DS. And yes, ok, if u dont want to talk about games its fine, how about this, Which sysrtem has the most potential? Like i said earlier, these 2 systems are fairly new and none has unlocked their full potential yet since the psp is still underclocked and the DS hasnt had much games to take advantage of the touch screen.

[AVENGER @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

spunky-you act like it's the end of the world just because i don't like gta! i mean it's alright, but its not the best game ever. oh and there is a hack that allows the psp to use 1 disc for multiple players.(if you don't believe me i'll give you a website)


twinky- first of all, specs do matter(there what the system is built on!).you say it's a fact that ds has more innteractivity?....prove it!and you said "the only thing psp has on ds is it's graphics"!?....yea it's graphics and it's many multimeadia features, and it's apperance, and it's screen quality, and it's tons of power, and it's web browsing ability, and it's IM feature! the list goess on, but i'll stop there. don't waste my time with your opinions anymore!

tom-power is'nt my only argument against ds! i actually don't use that to often!(you of all people should know that!)ds does not have better sound then psp!(it's different but not better!)and trust me, psp could play any ds game with far better quality.the controls may be better or worse(thats your opinion)but with psp's quality, the games would still be exceptionable.and how do you figure ds has more interactivity? because of the touch screen? it's just a damn control method! and the "interactivity" really just depends on the game.


both systems have the same amount of potential(ds with its dual/touch screen and mic,and psp with it's graphics,superior power,and endless hacks.

[gamer @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

-Avenger
THe DS can have a web browser, and it would be more suitable to have it on the DS than the psp, coz of the touch screen. The PSP is more hackable than the DS thats why we have a web browser right now for it. but the truth is both sony and nintendo havent released a web browser and havent announced anything yet.But if a web browser does get released, its better on the DS unless the psp has a better input device than its buttons.

The PSP may look really good, but to preserve that good looks you have to buy screen protectors and cases for it, if not, you'd have a smudgy psp which you end up cleaning every after you play it.(trust me i have a psp) thats one complain you have for it.

I Like the Psp because hackers are now slowly unleashing its potential, endless hacks has been done, making it the most verstile portable ever, music videos,games(psp,snes,gb,sega emulators). I guess the DS still has a long way to go to prove itself. and for now the PSP is looking pretty good.

Im thinking, if nintendo wants the DS to be more sucessful they need to support it more, a web browser is a good start. The rumors that they are adding PDA functions to the DS sounds pretty good. But if they support it as a game machine only they had to make sure that their games are really good, even if they cant match the PSP's graphics they can make it up for gameplay. Imagine the ds can do if you have the advantage in battery life, and that u can play with only 1 game. im thinking FPS and strategy games. If nintendo's online dream comes true, and if every ds connects with each other through hotspots,its possible to have our own pockket mmorpgs. lets just wait and see what happens.

[willie @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

wow its been awhile since i've checked these posts...


i still would take a ds anyday over a psp, because of the insane third-party support and innovation (warioware, nintendogs, meteos, etc.)

[willie @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

would anyone actually want to buy a movie just to watch it on psp?
what is it with sony and their creation of new media formats? (stick pro duo, umd movies)

[gamer @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

-Willie
well of course sony wants to make money using these proprietary formats. if they launch it with a hardware the are sure that they can force those new formats on us consumers.oh well as long as the PSP has a memory stick slot, its better than nothing. If u dont want to buy movies, u can just put it on a memory stick, provided you have one big enough.

Anyways insane 3rd party support can also be found on the psp.What you mean is that aside from lots of 3rd party support the DS also has a really strong 1st party support from nintendo. pity most of those good games (like age of empires or metroid) we still have to wait for them.

[willie @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

yep thanks for correcting me

[AVENGER @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

gamer, i'm sorry man but no, ds can't have a web browser. 1, because it does'nt have a network setup to be able to web browse, and 2 because it does'nt have the CPU power to be surf as well as psp.not to mention that if it was able to be hacked like psp, it probabaly would have been done by now.(remember ds has been out longer) another thing is that if nintendo could somehow make an attachent to allow ds to surf the web,they probably would'nt anyway.(remember nintendo is mostly about games)
another thing, sony is coming out with a better "input device", the portable keybord for psp.and there's a hack that allows you to have a feature simular to download play on ds for psp.

[Type R @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

DS and PSP Web Browsers -

::CPU Limitations::

Though it is possible to have a Web Browser on the DS, the Web Browser will not be robust as a Pocket PC or the PSP but will be compared to a Palm OS 4 or Cell Phone Web Browser. Reasoning for this, processing power.

Nintendo DS - 2 Processors ARM9 (66MHZ) and ARM7 (33MHZ). Because of that, its limited to simple texts and very small images. Those that can argue that it can be as robust, show me a Palm OS 4 or Cell Phone with pics that it has a browser that matches that of a Pocket PC or the PSP.

For those commenting about OS 5 and its web capabilities which can rival a Pocket PC or the PSP, the ARM Chip would have to be the Power Draining 120+MHZ found on several PDAs such as Sony's UX50 Clie. But Nintendo avoided this because they wanted a longer battery life and it would push the cost higher then it orignally should be. (They still need the lower ARM7 Processor to run GBA Games)

For those who doesn't know the processing power of the PSP, it is 333mhz.

::Memory::
Technically the DS can have more RAM then the PSP via Cartridge which would mean more information can be displayed on screen. It can also Cache more pages then the PSP which does not use the Memory Stick for saving content to display.

Now assuming Processor Speed is NOT a question for the DS when doing web processing that would equal a Pocket PC or PSP, the inability to upgrade the main browser's engine is what keeps the DS from getting the same results as the PPC or PSP which can either upgrade the browser via Firmware which is not possible with DS Cartridges nor can the DS be upgraded such as the PSP.

::Online::
Will the DS have a chance to get an MMORPG? Though many like to think so, its not planned nor technically possibly with the current specs of the DS lacking a removable medium device. (SD, Memory Stick, etc.)
What about the PSP?
Its already been announced that the PSP will indeed have a MMORPG and possibly more in the future.

IGN -http://psp.ign.com/articles/626/626823p1.html

Thanks to Sony's SOE (Sony Online Entertainment) which houses things from Star Wars Galaxy to Everquest II, there are many possibilities of MMORPG to exist.

::Future::
So where does the Nintendo stand with the DS? Its too hard to tell. Though recently Nintendo announced that it plans to setup 1000 free Hot Spots in Japan. (Sorry North America and other countries, but Nintendo has no plans to do this anywhere else) This is to help promote online play of their games such as Mario Kart and Animal Forest.

IGN - http://ds.ign.com/articles/622/622876p1.html

As for the PSP, its future is reassured already in Japan with countless RPGs already released there, PS3 Compatibility, Solid line up of 3rd Party Companies and growing, and an akwardly lots of ports. (From Sega Saturn games to all the way to PS2 games)

[TWINKIE TWINKIE TWINKIE @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

AVENGER, i'm not even gonna TRY talking to you until you try playing the DS for a while. I've played 3 different PSP games on 3 different PSPs and i've made my mind. Maybe you should play 3 DS games on 3 different DSs and see for yourself.

[tom @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

Maybe if you played a DS, Avenger, you'd know that the sound on it sounds a lot better. They don't sound 'different'. I've played both these handhelds: a the PSP sounds like a tin and the DS doesn't have a single distortion coming from its speakers. Don't say that's an opinion, because that is true. You're just afraid of admitting that there's one thing that's better on the DS than the PSP. Avenger, look up interactivity in a dictionary. Yes, you don't want me to include the touchscreen, but c'mon, what would be better for interacticity ? A keyboard or a touchscreen? The DS already has a touch-screen keyboard, and with a touch screen, you can select things, write/type stuff and, of course, draw pictures a lot more easier than on a PSP. A keyboard would just cost more money and you'd look kinda silly walking around with one. What's next? The PSP having a mouse attachment? The DS does have better interactivity. Anyone else agree with me on interactivity and sound? (apart from you, Avenger, say what you want)

[Type R @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

DS and PSP - Sound

Actually the DS, though the best that Nintendo produce for its Handheld Gaming devices, is not as higher quality compared to the PSP.

DS Sound Specs
----------
16 Channel Sound
Capable of Virtual Surround Sound (Depends on the software)

(Anyone who wants to expand on the specs for this, please do. Please provide link to where you found expanded spec information. No links to forums and non-reputable sites.)

PSP Sound Specs
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Reconfigurable DSPs
128bit Bus
166MHz @1.2V
5 Giga Operations /sec
CODEC
3D Sound, Multi-Channel
Synthesizer, Effecter, etc


Lets do a Game Comparison of Need for Speed: Underground 2 (DS) and Need for Speed Rivals (PSP).
(BTW - NFS:UG 2 (May 10, 2005) was released after NFS: Rivals (March 18) so the company has ample time to utilize the best sound with the DS)

IGN DS Video - http://media.ds.ign.com/media/682/682864/vids_1.html

IGN PSP Video - http://media.psp.ign.com/media/664/664929/vids_1.html

Hopefully you downloaded enough of the videos both sides to make a comparison.

Analysis:
With the DS, it replicates engine noise, drifting tire screech and crashes quite well Can also hear shifting gears. However the sounds were synthesized heavily. The music also was high quality syntheized.

With the PSP you can hear the followings:
Boost Gauge (The WHOOSH sound from turbos)
Shifting gears (Improved over DS)
Screeching of Tires on Startup
Drifting Tire Screech (Improved over DS)
Authentic Reving on Startup using real recordings of exhaust
CD Quality Music with vocals

What sounds the same between the DS and the PSP would be the Engine noise of low and high speeds and obviously synthesized heavily.

I am not sure where you are getting your information from tom but please provide us with your own comparison of two similar games with links to videos for us to compare and then analyze.

But from it stands, the PSP has higher quality sound to DS due to Higher Specs.

[AVENGER @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

twinky-i've played the ds many a times,infact i just played one 2 days ago, just to be further disappionted with it!and i've played GBA games on it to...it sux!

tom-do you not understand what i'm saying! ds has no more "interactivity" than the game you are playing allows it to have! the touch screen is no more interactive then the analog nub!(granted, maybe the mic is....but who the hell wants to go around talking to a game system!) and ds does not have better sound! that "tiny" stuff your talking about is just a matter of bass. not to mention that psp has higher posible volume! i'm not going to put down all sorts of specs proving it, because type r already did.

man, it must suck being on the ds side!you have no argument due to the lack of evidance!LOL

[TWINKIE TWINKIE TWINKIE @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

AVENGER- The GBA experience w/ the DS is the same thing, exept that your playing it on a different console. So I don't really get your drift, unless you never liked the Gameboy Advance SP. And I don't know WHAT game you played since there isn't a single game for DS that i've played that i didn't like. So the least you can do is elaborate, and stop being stupid.

Type R- I know the PSP speakers can go louder, but have you heard it? It's a distorted mess! Lowering the volume might help removing the distortion, but it'll still be better and cleaner quality on the DS.

[tom @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

Excuse me, I'm being badly influenced from Avenger's comments, saying stuff as if it was fact. Thanks for the info, Type R. I based my 'facts' on experience. I played both the PSP and the DS and I personally thought the sound was better on the DS (I played Spider-Man 2 on the PSP, SM64DS on the DS. THey're not similar games but I believed the sound was better on the DS). I noticed a few distortions coming from the PSP's speakers while watchin' Spider-Man 2. We'll see how the DS performs in sound quality when it comes to playing movies. My opinion is that you wear earphones while playin' the PSP and there are less distortions. Doesn't the DS's volume go higher? I can't remember. I've been searchin' sites for specs of the DS's sound capabilities but so far, no luck.

Avenger... if you hate the DS so much, then why did you play it recently?

Does anyone, apart from Avenger, agree with me on the interactivity argument? Are selecting things, drawing pictures, and typing words better to do on a PSP or a DS? Honestly...

Man, it must suck being you, Avenger. You have no arguments due to lack of brain cells. (in response to Avenger's last sentence)

DS rocks. I'm going to bed. Looking forward to what fair arguments and stupid comments I'm going to face tomorrow.

[pixelator @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

"Can't you just accept that he prefers the DS?"

Can't you just accept that I disagree with his take on which is better? How is my differing with his opinion any worse than YOU telling me I have to accept it without comment?

"And I have to admit that Ninty fanboys can be the worst, and they can make us normal Ninty fans look just plain bad."

Sorry, but you and a few others here are most definitely Nintendo FANBOYS. The fact that there are strata of fanboy intensity doesn't change anything.

"I find this a little exagerrating. In my experience, I haven't seen many Ninty fanboys lurking in PSP forums and sneaking up and bashing on everything they see."

Let me be more clear: In almost any forum that allows for discussion of both, the Nintendo fanboys outvoice the Sony fanboys - both in quantity of posts and aggression level.

"It's not how much sales in one area are concerned, but globaly."

No. The USA will make or break the PSP, the way it does with any system. Do you honestly think other markets dictate console viability? Look what happened to the market-leading PC Engine back in the early 90's. It was doing incredibly well in Japan, even with the release of the MegaDrive over there -- and when the TG16 died here, it died there. NEC was eliminated from the console market, entirely. So while the global market as a whole definitely counts as the whole picture, the US market is the biggest piece of that pie. Besides, it's DS fanboys who quote Japan sales constantly (at least since April) and ignore the fact that Nintendo's handheld has had a huge head start in both the USA and Japan, thus accounting for the overall units sold still obviously favoring the DS.

I've already posted the NPD numbers showing PSP sales leading the DS in the USA from March to August. September PSP sales weren't available last time I checked.

"I do prefer the DS. Does it make me a bad person for having a DS? Does it?"

Don't act so melodramatic. You can pick whichever you like, nobody is saying anything as ridiculous as it making you a 'bad person' for crying out loud.

"What if Mario could carry around an AK-47 to kill his enemies, would that make it a game for adults?"

Well, yes. That's a more realistic form of violence, and would likely get a T or higher rating.

"CJ from GTA San Andreas could only hop on people to kill them, then would GTA San Andreas be a childish game?"

Again, yes. Make the violence less realistic and more indirect or comical and you'd probably see a less mature rating for GTA.

"All because a game doesn't have ultra violent content doesn't mean it's a childish game."

No, but I don't see anyone making that point, so who are you arguing with? The fact is, despite more mature-themed games on the DS like the upcoming Resident Evil (looking good, btw), there are still far more younger-oriented games, as with the GBA. There simply cannot be any arguing thet the PSP is expanding the handheld market for older gamers, exactly as Sony did with the PS1 and the console market.

The majority of moderate to hardcore gamers like myself already recognize the quality and worth of Nintendo products and games. It's simply that with the rise (and it is rising) of the PSP, the fear & loathing of Sony among certain Nintendo fans has provoked a great deal of misinformation and prejudice. A previous poster very accurately described several of the disproven myths that were propagated before and even after the PSP launched.

It's this fanboy mentality I find embarrassing and tiresome. Why some people can't simply allow for another player in the field is beyond me. They've got to justify their investment as though defending a religious doctrine - and it just doesn't make any sense.

"DS Global Sales: Estimate 5.5 Mil
PSP Global Sales: Estimate 4.0 Mil"

Source?

...And before we get into a circle jerk for DS fans, let's remember this is a PSP/DS thread. If you want to gush over how great it is that Nintendo fans are so unflagging in their loyalty and devotion, you can find any number of forums for exactly that.

To balance things out, here's some PSP games upcoming that look extremely interesting:

SOCOM: U.S. Navy SEALs Fireteam Bravo 11/08
Midway Arcade Treasures: Ultimate Classic 11/14
Metal Gear Acid 2 11/15 (MGA1 was underrated)
Infected 11/15
Legend of Heroes 11/24
Harvest Moon 11/23
Puyo Puyo Fever 11/24
Ys Ark of Napishtim 12/1
Daxter 12/1
Prince of Persia 12/1
Viewtiful Joes VFX Battle 12/6
Popolocrois 12/16


...Lots of good looking RPGs here, a welcome addition to the PSP collection. Also, most of these games will retail at $39.99, further debunking the myth that they're all $50.

[oneway @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

okay pixelator, so you said most DS games are for kids. I own 12 DS games and I want you to tell me how many of them are childish:
1.madden 06
2.madden 05
3.Aspahlt
4.Golden eye
5.meteos
6.polarium
7.mario
8.metroid pinball
9.metroid(demo)
10.castlevania
11.advanced wars DS
12.Splinter cell

that's all of the games I have, now you might think some of my games suck but I don't think they suck and that's all that matters. You might think mario is childish, but even if it is childish it is ran over my a bunch of non childish games. The DS has a variety of games for everyone to choose from even if a few of them are childish as some people say. The PSP is gonna have frogger and some people say frogger is a childish game too, but you're probably thinking some people want frogger on their psp, some people want mario on there DS, what's the difference? I will say this though, the DS has a pokemon game and a yu gi oh game, but the DS has more games that I can choose from in my age group like golden eye, splinter cell or meteos. All because the DS has a few of those types of games it don't mean the DS was aimed for kids, kinda like the psp going to have frogger. Even if the DS might have a few more of those kind of childish games as some people say it still doesn't mean the DS was aimed for kids. Even the PS2 and XBOX have games like Frogger and DBZ but those systems are made for everyone, so are the DS and PSP. I'm not trying to bust on you or anything pixelator i'm just trying to tell you and anybody else that disses the DS that the DS has more games than you think it does, not just the games you think are childish. Oh by the way as much as you diss DS fans and as much crap as you talk about the DS games it must make me a bad person for having a DS! Anyway i'm out, peace.

[Scrumshus @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

Crap! Oh, well thanks for telling me, Beeves.

"I've already posted the NPD numbers showing PSP sales leading the DS in the USA from March to August. September PSP sales weren't available last time I checked. "

http://www.codepoetsolutions.com/myth/dsvspsp.html

this one doesn't go up to September either.

"No. The USA will make or break the PSP, the way it does with any system. Do you honestly think other markets dictate console viability? Look what happened to the market-leading PC Engine back in the early 90's. It was doing incredibly well in Japan, even with the release of the MegaDrive over there -- and when the TG16 died here, it died there. NEC was eliminated from the console market, entirely. So while the global market as a whole definitely counts as the whole picture, the US market is the biggest piece of that pie. Besides, it's DS fanboys who quote Japan sales constantly (at least since April) and ignore the fact that Nintendo's handheld has had a huge head start in both the USA and Japan, thus accounting for the overall units sold still obviously favoring the DS."

I think Japan is still the biggest market, beating out the USA by a small margin. I still haven't seen anyone with PROOF that the PSP is leading the way in the USA. I wouldn't say that since the PSP is winning in the UK, that it's winnig overall. Also, you make it seem like since the DS was released before, when the PSP came out, their sales have been tied. But every month since the PSP was released, the DS has sold more.

http://www.playbomb.com/playbombcom-contest/

One freakin' sweet contest. I suggest any DS/Revo FANS, NOT FANBOYS, sign up.

And I still think that pixelator is the fanboy of calling other people fanboys.

CHow!

[Beeves @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

"Can't you just accept that he prefers the DS?"

'Can't you just accept that I disagree with his take on which is better? How is my differing with his opinion any worse than YOU telling me I have to accept it without comment?'

What are you talking about? He thought the DS was better and that it wasn't cheap and then you replied to his comment by saying the DS was ugly. Sure, if he said that it was a fact that the DS looked better, then I would have no problem with you arguing that. But this was just his opinion, and then you responded by saying:

'Can't you just accept that it's not going to win any beauty contests? It's just not a good looking design'

The way you said it made it look as if you were stating a fact. Thinking the DS's design's bad-looking isn't a fact, it's an opinion.

"And I have to admit that Ninty fanboys can be the worst, and they can make us normal Ninty fans look just plain bad."

'Sorry, but you and a few others here are most definitely Nintendo FANBOYS. The fact that there are strata of fanboy intensity doesn't change anything.'

Once again, I can hardly find a reason for you to call me a Nintendo fanboy. A Ninty fan, yes. I just like Nintendo for what they do. The games, their products and definitely the upcoming Revolution. Sure, you don't have to agree with me, but for crying out loud, I like Nintendo, not worship it. I'm once again beginning to think that you are acting arrogant towards me, speaking to me condescendingly and perpetually calling me a - how you say - 'fanboy'. I would like you to pick out at least ten quotes that I have made on this thread displaying acts of fanboyism, like you have done with Seeds and Soupbun, thus proving me as 't3h f@nboi!! lol rofl!'. Would this satisfy you? Have you seen me say 'PSP sux!'? Or 'DS kicks all kinds of asses!'? I don't recall. Well, good luck.

"I find this a little exagerrating. In my experience, I haven't seen many Ninty fanboys lurking in PSP forums and sneaking up and bashing on everything they see."

'Let me be more clear: In almost any forum that allows for discussion of both, the Nintendo fanboys outvoice the Sony fanboys - both in quantity of posts and aggression level.'

Did you notice the part when I said 'in my experience'?

[pixelator @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

"okay pixelator, so you said most DS games are for kids. I own 12 DS games and I want you to tell me how many of them are childish:"

First off, I DID NOT say "most DS games are for kids." I said that the DS is more oriented towards younger players than the PSP, and that's a fact even DS fanboys don't really argue. I never said the games were 'childish'. I never used the term.

"now you might think some of my games suck but I don't think they suck and that's all that matters."

WHO are you arguing with? I never said ANY of those games suck.

"still doesn't mean the DS was aimed for kids."

Actually, it does. The DS game selection clearly targets children moreso than the PSP, which is clearly aimed at late teens to 30-something adults. That's not to say that it's just as 'youth oriented' as the GBA - it's definitely trying to be slightly more teen-oriented with Resident Evil and other titles.

"i'm just trying to tell you and anybody else that disses the DS that the DS has more games than you think it does"

I'm going to put this gently because of your age, but you are putting words in my mouth and it doesn't make your argument look any better. If you're going to debate something, you need to only go on what the other person has actually said. If you think I've dissed the DS, you need to specifically comment on what things I dissed - otherwise, it's just a baseless general accusation. I obviously have never said anything about how 'many' games the DS has, and I have never implied anything about you or anyione else being a 'bad person' for preferring it.

"I think Japan is still the biggest market, beating out the USA by a small margin. I still haven't seen anyone with PROOF that the PSP is leading the way in the USA."

Japan is not the biggest game market. Simply adding up sales shows that rather well. As for proof, I have posted the NPD figures quoted on several forums - they are all the proof you need. During the months with both system sales available, the PSP has beaten the DS.

"Also, you make it seem like since the DS was released before, when the PSP came out, their sales have been tied. But every month since the PSP was released, the DS has sold more."

I don't know which country you're referring to, but it's false regardless. Even in Japan the PSP outsold the DS for the first few months of 2005. Go look it up on m-create. In the UK, the PSP has clearly been outselling the DS.

"And I still think that pixelator is the fanboy of calling other people fanboys."

Yes, I am a fanboy of calling fanboys as I see them. I'll own up to that one freely.

"What are you talking about? He thought the DS was better and that it wasn't cheap and then you replied to his comment by saying the DS was ugly."

The point is, if he thinks the DS looks good, I am equally entitled to say it doesn't. And no, I didn't say it was 'ugly'.

"The way you said it made it look as if you were stating a fact. Thinking the DS's design's bad-looking isn't a fact, it's an opinion."

OK, if you're going to split hairs, then get it right. He said 'the DS looks great' - and I said it wasn't a good design. That you somehow maintain that my opinion is any less valid than his shows your bias toward his preference.

"I would like you to pick out at least ten quotes that I have made on this thread displaying acts of fanboyism"

In the interests of perhaps finding a glimmer of mutual respect and an end to the bickering, I will retract any reference of you as a Nintendo fanboy. That, and I don't feel like scrolling back and re-reading all those posts finding fanboyish (IMHO) comments which you'll just say aren't fanboyish, anyway.

OK?

So we're two people, neither of us fanboys for any one particular thing, per se. Except maybe arguing on forums... :o

[oneway @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

I'm sorry for putting words in your mouth but I just get so ticked off when people say the DS is for a younger audiences and sometimes when i'm trying to prove a point I just say anything, sorry. And I notice you said 'The DS game selection clearly targets children moreso than the PSP, which is clearly aimed at late teens to 30-something adults.'

I have to admit the DS does have a few games that are not in my age group like pokemon (man I hate pokemon) but it's nothing for me to complain about because there is still a variety of DS games I can choose from in my age group instead of buying those games, so technically the DS is aimed to everyone, maybe to some people it is aimed more to kids, but to me it is aimed more to everyone not just more to kids. That's all I was trying to say pixelator, sorry about the misunderstandings. And if you're getting mad at me right now you're the one who started all of this ..... here's proof:

my comment:
"The DS online is gonna be great. That's just something you PSP fans/DS haterz can't stand."

pixelator:
'If, instead of knee-jerking your Nintendoworshipping response, you had actually bothered to read ANYTHING up the thread that I'd posted, you'd know I own a Cobalt SP, Graphite SP+, Silver Micro and a Japanese Graphite DS. That's in addition to my GC, N64, Virtual Boy, SNES, SuperFamicom and portable HK Famicom handheld (PortaFami). Who's the real Nintendo fan (not fanBOY), here? Why, I think it's ME. Do you have a Mario Bros. and Popeye Game & Watch Panorama? Didn't think so.'

my comment:
"I bought the system I wanted (DS) and i'm happy with it! If you guys think the DS looks that cheap guess what, i've had mine every since the day it came out and it works perfect and it looks great."

your comment:
'Defensive, much? Can't you just accept that it's not going to win any beauty contests? It's just not a good looking design.'

Do any of 'my comments' have pixelator in them?

[Strife @ Dec 19th 2005 12:07AM]

Nintendo Sex education:
1st year High school
Mario: Hi it's me! MARRRIOooo
Mario: Today we will focus on anatomy,
Junior:Huh?
Mario: Lets get STARTED!
Mario: loading....LETS BEGIN, MY BUM IS ON WHAT?
Junior:scrape,scrape,scrape,scrape,poke,poke,poke! phew!
Mario:HURRY you only have 5,4,3,2,1 seconds TIMES UP!
Mario: MY Bum was on Peach's FACE better luck next time!
Mario: Your Now ready to graduate to your next year, REMEMBER touching is GOOOOD!

2nd year
Main Course :!@#$%$#%$ where do babies come from?
shadow girl: Hello ninty poo's today i will, teach you how to rub black inanimate objects really good!
junior:scrape,scrape,scrape,scrape,poke,poke!
shadow girl: rub me well, and ill treat you reaalll nicccceeee......
junior: scrape....scrape....scrape....poke?
shadow girl: OHHHHH LALALA
junior: ! poke,poke,poke,poke,poke,poke!!! pant pant!
shadow girl: slow down big boy, im only a 13+ game! but i still think you ready to graduate!
remember TOUCHING iSSSS GOOOODDDD!

3rd year
Main Course: SPrung
Cool looking Dude:Listen up Ninty dudes, what Ninty fans lack in good looks and fashion we MAKE up in INNOVATION,
YOU GUYS NEED SOME GIRL LIFE SKILLS MAN! so you can DO ITTTTTTTT!!!!! APPLY YOURSELF MAN and learn the DO's and DONTS on picking up nintendo bitches, let the pictochat be with you!!!

MARIO and SHADOWGIRL: AND REMEMBER TOUCHING IS GOOD!!......MARRRRRIIOOOOO....your soooo BIG..
Junior:POKE POKE POKE POKE POKE!
Strife: (giggle) nintendo=comic relief