Nintendo starts pre-orders for Play-Yan video adapter
By Joshua Fruhlinger 
posted Jan 22nd 2005 10:30AM
posted Jan 22nd 2005 10:30AM
Remember when we told you Nintendo would be adding video playback abilities via a $49 adapter for the DS? The company is now taking pre-orders for the device, called Play-Yan, and it is, in fact, selling for $49. It is also listed as being compatible with the SP. In addition to playing both ASF and MPEG-4, it will also play back MP3 files. It will use SD cards for storage (up to 1GB), and battery times are currently posted at 4 hours for video playback and 16 for MP3. Other devices do already exist for video playback, but a Nintendo-made one can't be a bad thing. Can it?
Neat stuff.
There is another media adapter available for the GBA/SP that uses Compact Flash Media that should work with the DS.
There are a suprising amount of aftermarket gizmos for the GBA/SP. If they work on the DS as well, so much the better!
1. Nintendo bashes the PSP for not being a "game machine" because of its multimedia aspects.
2. Nintendo releases a multmedia adapter of lower lower quality that mimics what the psp can do better.
3. Nintendo effectively makes the DS more expensive than the PSP for those who want video playback.
Blue, you're right, but whenever have companies been truthful with their marketing?
"3. Nintendo effectively makes the DS more expensive than the PSP for those who want video playback. "
I think the point is you don't have to pay for video playback if you don't want it. Which is not the case for the PSP.
Nintendo is saying "we think video playback's stupid, but hey, if you want it, here it is." Sounds smart to me.
Of course, this thing will only come out in Japan. It'll never be released here. And this sort of thing is not unusual at all for Japan - they get all sorts of add-ons and other stuff that we never see or usually even hear about here. The only reason anybody's focusing on this is because of its perceived competition with the PSP, but I'll bet Nintendo would have launched something like this in Japan with or without the PSP on the market.
Maybe I've missed it, but does the PSP support any formats besides UMD (I'm thinking specifically of Memory Stick)? If it doesn't, I don't really see the use of video playback on the PSP. Besides, if I really want to watch video on a handheld device, I watch it on my Axim.
blue,
there is a little fact you seem to have overlooked, and that is, you do not know how much the psp is actually going to cost. infact currently there is talk of it being a lot more than what has been previously anticipated. it might very well be over $400
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> it might very well be over $400
This is totally absurd!
What I don't get is why Nintendo owners are so hell bent on bashing the PSP before it arrives to the US. We kept hearing how the price was going to be so much, and then when the price was announced in Japan, we all know better.
Now we have idiots saying that "there are rumors" that it might be a lot more, even $400, please stop being such a moron.
the psp anticipated price is $199 and not "well over $400"
just think about it if Sony releases a portable system priced that high they will commit a public harakiri
Sony wants to compete with DS for the same market.
First of all you can play movies, photos, and music off of the PSP using a memory stick. So there is nothing to worry about there.
As for this adaptor I also find it funny that Nitnendo is pushing a $50 adaptor that effectively makes the DS $199 or the same price the PSP will be. Too bad your screen won't be nearly as nice. :)
Hi, remember me?
The PSP isn't dumb, it is Sony's insistence that they shove an optical disc in a portable machine. It introduces a host of problems with slow load times, lots of moving parts to break, unprotected discs and, in case you didn't hear, a really short battery life.
UMD is a giant backwards step.
While your screen won't be as nice, your SD media will be half the price of outrageous Memory Sticks.
@11
What!? The UMD is protected in a Mini-disc like plastic case. Disc based media was the only way to to cheaply create a large enough storage media for the PSP's games. Sony has had plenty of durable CD players and MiniDisc players, so I don't understand why disc based media introduces a whole host of problems. Besides battery life, what's the big deal, and what storage medium do you suggest Sony should have used that can hold 1.8gigs?
I have a ds, and I don't agree with all the people bashing the psp. But it is simply a fact that the psp has had a whole lot of problems since its release in japan, and I haven't heard anything of sony releasing a new version of the hardware in america when it ships here. There is no way that every day Americans are going to stand the low battery life, popping out discs, slow load times, and such problems with the psp at the price point of 200. It is just not going to happen. Other than geeks, no one is going to buy it in america, and it will be one of the worst product releases in america in a very long time. I just assumed when I heard of all the problems that early models were having in japan, that sony would introduce some major hardware revisions to the device before they released it in americs, but I have heard nobody mention this. It will be really sad, because this could have been one hell of a device, but with its current major defects it is sure to fail in america. Sony is so stupid.
The PSP is fine. The incidents you speak about were isolated. I have had two systems in my house since the December launch and haven't had a single problem. Also 4-6 hours is fine for a portable. For the few that actually need more time than that, buy another battery.
PSP will have GTA, GT4, very likely Soul Calibur 3, Madden, NBA Street, Ys and many other great games.
I have really be enjoyng Ridge Racers, Minna No Golf and Lumines. I am looking forward to Tiger Woods Golf, Meed For Speed and Namco Museuum all scheduled for release next month in Japan.
Bash if you like. I am too busy playing the best portable ever.
Blue, post 2
i found a flaw in your little theroy.
"1. Nintendo bashes the PSP for not being a "game machine" because of its multimedia aspects.
2. Nintendo releases a multmedia adapter of lower lower quality that mimics what the psp can do better."
as you can read above, nintendo didn't make the multimedia adapter, a third party did, leaving nintendo right and you, a jackass.
I'd much rather have the ability to play all the videos I have on my hard drive (which gives a large library of stuff I know I like) then starting entirly over with a video collection on a UMD disk that will only play in a PSP handheld, which is not very good for watching videos/movies on.
Video playback wise the only thing PSP has going for it the large wide screen. But besides that you can't watch a long movie on it and it's got a GBA design to it so you can't set it on a table on lap and watch it, you'd have to hold it the entire time. Then there's the constant disk spinning, which eats the battery.
In short I'd much rather have the DS SD card player. But it's not like Nintendo is requiring you to buy it. I'm sure a portable DVD player would do the job better. But I admit that's a cool add-on.
Hey Alex, how about reading the thread before posting. The PSP can except video playback from the memory stick. So your whole argument is basically useless.
I have to give you credit for the wonderful nugget about the only thing PSP has going for it in regard to video playback is the screen. Wow, is that it. Hmmmm, I wonder how important the screen is when watching a video. Probably not too important there.
Well, judging from all these comments, it seems everyone's knowledge of the PSP is wrong in some way (including mine).
Hey Not so fast Joey.
Soul Calibur is gonna be on DS.
Also to anyone who says that PSP will cost similar to DS, remember that you may need to get all kinds of attachments for yur PSP.
I.E. USB attachment extras
Extra batteries
New UMD's for all your movies
Memory Sticks (espeacilly if you want video and music on your PSP)
I will laugh SO HARD if GT4 sucks on the PSP...
then again I said that about Halo 2 too.
You musta been laughing a lot. Riddick was a much better game than Halo 2.
This PSP thing sounds more and more dumb. Forget it. I have most of the games that are coming for it anyways. Why do I need another, crappier, version of GTA or Gran Turismo.
Lame
Movie playback is really low-resolution too. This is Engadget. Don't we, of all people, expect more?
> Movie playback is really low-resolution too. This is Engadget. Don't we, of all people, expect more?
If you're going to complain about the resolution, why don't you compare the graphic capabilities of the PSP vs DS.
Have you seen Ridge Racers DS vs the PSP version? How about Spider-Man DS vs PSP?
The difference makes the DS look like an Atari Lynx! Not to mention, the waste of space that the second screen is, on Spider-Man the second screen has a bunch of buttons for the special moves!!! On RR, it's a freaking steering wheel ... horrible!!! Not to mention the awkward position of playing action games while holding this thing and a little stylus. A stylus!!!
For the guy that said the PSP was going to flop in America, I hope you own some stock in Nintendo, at least that would explain your rantings.
I don't think there will be a great market for this type of product.
I have a GBA SP with the aforementioned Compact Flash movie adaptor. The video quality is plain awful, as it uses a "unique" video format that only plays on the GBA. The sound loses sync very quickly and the re-encoding necessary to play the files is tragically slow.
An ASF/Mpeg-4 player would be an improvement though. Having SD cards would be good as the player could actually fit inside the slot rather than stick out about 1.5cm!
LCD screens don't make ideal video screens to be honest. They tend to have very narrow viewing angles which means you can't really share your video with others, and have to have it held/positioned just right.
As for mp3 playback, I'm SURE that most ppl have a better, smaller mp3 player already and won't want to demean their DS to audio playback duties.
As for the PSP/DS debate. The games will sell the console, not these other features. I expect both systems to do well upon global release (although the idea of waiting close to a minute for a game to load on the PSP pains me so much..). Till then I'll keep trying to complete the grids in Warioware on my SP :)
Hon
Yes, the original third-party movie adapter was bad. That's why it's so interesting that this one can (a) not only play MPEG-4, a standard movie format which you can encode with practically any software in the universe, and (b) takes SD memory, instead of UMD disks which NOBODY owns hardware to burn.
> takes SD memory, instead of UMD disks which NOBODY owns hardware to burn.
Why in the world would anybody compare the UMD discs vs SD memory? Compare them to memory sticks, with the PSP, you get disc based media and memory sticks.
Yes, mem. sticks are more expensive than SD, that's the only drawback, but you get more choices with the PSP ... standard.
I actually wouldn't mind using the Play-Yan with a GBA SP. Folded up, it ends up being about the size of a minidisc player, and the battery life on the SP is pretty decent. Seeing that I don't own an mp3 player yet, spending 50 bucks + however much it costs for a 512 mb or 1gb SD card doesn't seem so absurd... Now I really wonder if well it'll perform as an mp3 player (in terms of playlists, gapless playback, id3 tag recognition, etc)...
i'll wait until a better designed PSP2 comes out. god i hate it when companies choose form over function in terms of shell designs. you'd think that Sony has enough design experiences under their belt with handheld electronics (cameras, audio players, palm pilots, even laptops) to not make handled areas shiny and smooth.
the psp is a formidable device, but it's just not worth it for me. Battery life? I want my portable to be able for my road trips from Alberta to Utah and back without constantly stopping. A DS fits better in my pocket then a PSP does. Screen quality? The screen is great enough for me. I hear people complain about the small screens of the DS. Well, the screens in reality are more than big enough for anything. In my mind, the graphics aren't really all that bad- though you may notice it in photos, in game action it is negligible. Out of maybe 11 people I have asked here in Alberta, most of them had heard about the PSP, being fairly avid gamers and having knowledge about Sony's system. Did they want it? No. So far, it would seem everything is shifted into Nintendo's favour, which it needs so Nintendo can recover from the situation they have been in recent days.
Firstly... to you people who think that psp is useless ... well let me tell u that ds sucks compared to psp.. check the specs please.. 260k colour VS 16.77million <<< oh whao! ds is good(right!!!) and check the speed of the psp too... its 2x 333mhz it can beat a low end p3 computer.. hows that?! and have u seen mario on ds? i wanted to puke seeing it.. and btw gt4 screenshots are out and they can match gt3 on ps2(my opinion) secondly... look at the ds and the psp next to each other.. your DS will look like a 29.90 diary from ToyR.US and psp looks like another cool player from B&O styling wise psp trash ds... and so does graphics and performance... but i have to say psp cost a shit load more then ds
I own a Nintendo DS and this thing doesn't interest me in the slightest. I got the NDS to play games, not to function as a PDA/portable media center.
PSP's extra crap isn't worth the extra interest either. If you get the PSP, expect to play games on it, using it to play video or view pictures isn't worth it (unless you've invested in hundreds of dollars for high capacity memory sticks). If you want something really cool but don't really care about the games then get a Gizmondo. It does everything the PSP does (except in the gaming area) and then some, but better.
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The UMD may be in a case; however, it does not have a closing door to protect the disc when it is not in use - like the minidisc. It is very easy to get dirt or other contaminants in to the casing.
#13
The UMD may be in a case; however, it does not have a closing door to protect the disc when it is not in use - like the minidisc. It is very easy to get dirt or other contaminants in to the casing.
OMFG!!! People stop the bashing...both systems look awesome in their own unique way.
PSP Fans: I don't know how many of you have complained about the stylus, you don't actually have to use it! in fact for FPS it is recommended that you use the thumb shoe (included with DS) and it works quite well, in fact it reminds me of the way the mouse (on the PC) behaves, remember Quake or UT?
DS Fans: Sure the DS is a great system with long batery life but i think the guys at Big N better start releasing more games (that don't suck) soon, instead of just anouncing works in progress cause the PSP's library just keeps growing and stacking up every day and according to developers: "ready for launch"
I already bought my NDS and have already preordered my PSP, after all, there's plenty of room for another portable console. As for mp3 player I have an iPod thank you... but i prefer Lik Sangs audio/video add-on for GBA/SP/DS because it seems more open source and it uses cheapper Compact Flash cards (and larger sizes, 5 gigs anyone?)
I need to know something, maybe one of you guys know. The DS is a 64 bit system much like the N64, now I know the SNES was 32bits much like the GBA and PSone, I read the PS2 is also 64 bit making the Xbox and Gamecube 128 bit consoles.
Now before the PSP Japan release I read (somewhere ) that the PSP is a cross between a PSOne and a PS2 somewhere in the middle... now, today I'm reading the PSP FAQ from IGN and it says that the PSP games will look nicer and better than their PS2 counterparts.
This confuses me, and so I ask the question: In "bit's" where does the PSP fit in? 64bit? higher? lower? anyone? Bueler, Bueler, Bueler ...
Is it confirmed that the media adapter will NOT be available in the US?
Dude the ps2 was 128 bits snes was 16... Everything else is correct though. PSP is like around 80-100(est)
God! I swear, You brand loyal fanboys are so annoying sometimes. Always spouting off how great and holy your products and games are. I agree with you Ketch, both are great and I'm excited for both. In fact, so excited that I ordered the Play-Yan and a PSP Memory Stick 1gb. Now whenever I go somewhere, I can take movies and music with me as well as the console that I am currently playing on.
PSP fans - Yes, the PSP screen is bigger. Everyone gets that already. Please stop bringing it up thread after thread. The screen size and graphic capabilities are its advantages and that is a given. Still doesn't mean the DS is garbage like so many of you make it out to be. Also, Sony better make sure these machines are of good quality when they reach here in the U.S.A. There will be hell to pay if the first batch are half-assed or too delicate for a HANDHELD gaming device. I'll be first in line screaming if I have any problems with mine after all this hype we got, and I'm not alone in this.
DS fans - I notice some of you still think most of us will be buying UMD movies. Let me be the first to say F*** UMD movies. It's all about the memory stick guys. convert, rip, pick and choose from your exsisting collection with ease for free. This is why I got a 1gb stick. It was pricey, but it will pay for itself in no time compared to buying UMD movies(yuck).I got the PlayYan for the same advantage. Mpeg4 YEAH!!!!
My stance is still the same. These two machines have 2 advantages over the other. PSP has that cool screen and better graphics, DS has the 2 screen setup and touch screen for different gameplay and communication opportunities. NEITHER one has a definate killer title yet IMO( just pretty ones for the PSP and interesting ones for the DS) In time both should flourish.
Chill on the fanboyism guys, please!
I am a big fan of the minidisc, and I KNOW how indestructable those little gems are, but as was mentioned above the new UMD discs DON'T have a shutter door, so dirt can easily get inside the plastic case.
I have no idea why sony chose to do this, considering they make minidiscs as well. I could care less about UMD movies...BAD MOVE on Sony, but the lack of a shutter concerns me in regards to the games. Maybe they will fix this in the future?
^^^ Just another reason not to get a PSP, Portable Game Systems should stick to Game Cartridges, like the Nintendo DS has. They are smaller, easier to keep clean, and they don't suck the power out of the Batteries like the PSP does (2-3 hours before having to recharge the PSP). The PSP is to far ahead for its time. Give it a few years before we switch to Plastic Cased Discs.
Posted by Not so fast Joey: "Also 4-6 hours is fine for a portable."
What? You obviously dont use portables much then do you? 4-6 hours sucks for a portable, my GBA SP could go on for about 20 hours. I got a DS last week and still havent charged it up yet.
What do you think about the size of the gba and DS screen for the Play-yan? Don't you think it might be kind of small. That's the only problem I have. I know it's just like a perosnal t.v. but the PSP definetely has the advantage in screen size and they might win in the end because of that. I just hope the Play-yan will look good on my DS.
It just slots into the GBA cart port. you wont see it.
Ok.. I'm unbiased. I HAVE both the nintendo DS and the Sony PSP. Both are nice. The DS does feel cheap next to the PSP. I'll admit, carts are the best way to go with portable gaming. I'm not sure how good the optidrive of the PSP with hold out once given hours upon hours of gameplay, but I do feel safe with my DS. The screens; yeah, the PSP kicks over the DS, very vivid and bright. Movie playback (though not important) works well in MPG4, with sony's converter, you can get 2 movies on a 128 memory stick under the lowest setting. Nintendo definatly has it over Sony in sound. The speakers of the DS create a strong 3D sound that is superb, the PSP? Not so much. Both machines are great, Sony's will be $100 more, worth it? maybe not. The games of the DS suck, there are only a small handful that I am really waiting for. Games for the PSP? Tons are coming very soon, and it probably won't end there. Nintendo is known for not putting out many games. The only reason it's had so many games for it's portable units is because it has been the only major one out there. If sony does to Nintendo again what it did to them exactly 10 years ago, then Nintendo won't have a chance. All in all, isn't it about the games. Who cares what else the system can do. Sure, it's always nice to have a bonus feature here and there, seeing it'll be with you for many hours, but in the end, the one with the most and best games win. So far, I'm far more impressed with Sony's line-up then I am with the DS's or it's Play-yan. Give us what we really bought the system for.. THE GAMES!!!
I think the play-yans ability to load any film, instead of buying them on a fairly useless format that can ONLY be viewed on a 2 inch screen is a lot smarter. Forgive me if PSP can also do this, but as far as I know it can't.
As for the game, do you honestly believe that the PSP has the better ones coming? DS has Wario Ware, Project Rub and Polarium all proving that touch screen gaming is an exciting area with many possibilities still to be explored. Over 100 games soon to come, many of which I, at least, am really looking forward to (Yoshi's touch and go, Castlevania and Another Code are the ones that immdediately spring to mind).
PSP has... a 10 year old racing game with fancy graphics, one admittedly good puzzle game, and a bizarre mesh of Metal Gear Solid and cards, which so far has been ill-received. As for future PSP games, there are none that I know of which are particularly anticipated. Please tell me what these "tons" of great games going to PSP are, because as it is, DS is most certainly better on the games front.
Firstly to the fanboys, have you ever touched or used either of the systems you are baggin here? I didn't think so. And the guy who said Mario 64 DS was gonna make him puke, have you seen it side by side with Mario 64? All enemies and characters have been remodelled and are higher poly, all textures were redrawn giving the game a much more natural look. Most of the anti-DS arguments here are rubbish, total rubbish and if any of you raving Sony fanboys had the chance to actually use one AND weren't clouded by an instant hate for the machine because Sony have a shinier thing out, you'd probably see that you're just as stupid as everyone else making comments like that. You'll never admit that you're wrong anyway, so don't bother arguing back.
And Ninty fanboys, what are you doing? Yes, the PSP will play video and music off the amazingly overpriced Memory Stick format. I doubt that UMD-Video will take off anywhere at all, but that is just the way the cookie crubles. I am glad someone else here knew that the DS has over 100 titles set for launch in the next 6-8 months, please research before you rant on like a 4 year old who is trying to outdo his mates. Come on. You people are all raving like immature fanboys and nobody has any idea of what they're talking about (some of you actually do, but that isn't the point, you know who you are so just be pleased that you is the clever). PSP is an interesting device, and might actually do well. But it also might not, especially because Sony chose form factor over useabliity.
And for the guy who said 2x 333MHz processor...it doesn't have dual processors, DS does. PSP has one 333MHz and it doesn't compare to a PIII in any way since it would be based on PDA processing (probably Sony's freed up factories from the Clie line) and therefore is fast, but never as fast as a reasonably recent desktop, because the architecture in the desktop will always be superior. DS has one 66MHz ARM-9 and one 33MHz ARM-7 and it performs beautifully, especially compared to the 96.4MHz N64.
The PSP is not 80-100bit. That isn't possible. Do some research before you make up answers to peoples questions. For a real answer to that, the PS2 is 128bit, and that is the Graphics processor. All current Gen only have a 32bit CPU, and the next gen will have a 64bit CPU, but the bit is just the integer math and stuff like that. There isn't a big difference in CPU, and as for GPu, it just means how much math the chip can do per cycle is made greater. Some current Gen PC graphics cards are 256bit and there are rumors Xbox Next, Project Revolution and PS3 will all be 512bit. The reason 80-100 bit is impossible is because in computer math the system has to be doubled (8, 16, 32, 64, 128, 256, 512, 1024, 2048, etc). The PSP has 4Mb DRAM which makes it far below par with PS2, and that combined with the slightly slower processor makes PSP fit somewhere between PS2 and PS1, and not equal to PS2 even though the CPU is the same speed. Also I suspect that the PSP CPU might only be 16bit anyhow, so the processor math is more bottlenecked than the PS2, which isn't such a big thing, but not great. PS3 will allegedly run on CELL processors, whereas Xbox Next and Revolution will be running dual G5 processors, and possibly even Dual-Core versions of those.
There you go. Geek 101
So get over it and instead of trying to hate the other console the most, support the console you like and see how it turns out. I am a Nintendo Fanboy, and I'm very interested in where this is going. Especially with Nintendo's next Handheld just around the corner. For those of you who don't know, DS isn't gameboy, its an experiment to see if any of the features are useful in a handheld. The next gen Ninty console, currently working under 'Super GameBoy' will be fully 128bit and the graphics are said to fully surpass the GameCube. It probably wont see the market for a year or two, but when it does it'll kick the crap out of all who oppose it. Nintendo wont let GameBoy lose the crown. But Sony wont give up without a fight.
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Arkhum, I love you, everything you said is 100% true, but I thought the PSP GPU was only 64-bit? Anyway... I am a Nintendo fanatic, and yes, I got the DS the day it came out, hoping to get Mario Kart and Metroid, and Castlevania even, sometime around March-May... of course they are all now pushed back to around September or so.
Now, before you get all hissy-fitty on me, know that I also bought a PSP on its release day her e in the US. I just got Untold Legends, and I must say, that game is hella fun. My friend and I are finding ways to even play it over the internet, rather than the LAN capability that it has. Overall, the PSP is very impressive, especially for a Sony device, considering how terrible the PS2 was in comparison to XB and NGC.
And again, don't go all crazy on me with that, that is just an opinion, and most of your arguements would consist of "Nintendo's games sucked, PS2 had GTA" yeah yeah that is just crap, so don't bother, this isn't the thread for it anyway.
Overall, I must say that I play my PSP and DS nearly perfectly evenly. I am totally hooked on the Minigames in Mario DS (especially the shell-knocking one) and I just got WarioWare Touched! for free (I work at EBGames and Microcenter.. I get all the good stuff and promos, hehe) PSP I am hooked on Untold Legends right now, and until a better game comes out (Crisis Core, anyone??) I'll be playing UL d:
Okay, my whole post was just to even things out with some of the other off-topic posts here... now back to the topic!! The Play-Yan, IMO, shouldn't be used with the DS at all, that's just dumb. Pluck yourself a GBA or an SP off eBay for like 20 bucks if you really think one of these things are neccessary, but I, myself, would never use this on my DS, that is for games, and games alone. As for comparison to the PSP.... there is none. That is of course, except the media involved. SD cards are much more widely used, and hell, they are much cheaper too, even though you don't HAVE to use a PRO DUO in your PSP, they just say that in the manual.. if you didn't notice, the card the PSP comes with isnt a PRO at all, it's only a 32MB MemoryStick Duo.
Okay... that's it, I'm sure you people have read quite enough already d:
wot the hell now heres som1 comin froma position never having actually playing either of the consoles, but think about it. the ds is just a better games console.
Why because its a games console. now ur probably thinkin tht the psp is too but no the psp is an entertainment device. every review ive read on it says so.
also look at the games. all psp games are all home console games but with poorer graphics and they arent as jam packed where as the nintendo ds is unigue. its graphics arent anything like any current consoles. it also has a touch screen and voice recognition. the psp has neither of these features. also think about it the ds is better because theres all the classic gba games there and new mario game new pokemon games and nintendogs. and think about it nintendo has knowledge in portable gaming just look at the awesome gba/sp nintendo is going to win the new generation of portable gaming for the soul reason thyeve made a games console. im surprised sony even nos wot a games console is. to me sony is ignorant and rude. nintendo deserve to own the handheld market. theyve worked hard to make evrything about it good and are going to continue doing this. sony has just seen nintendo been succesful and have decided i no well stamp on there parade and shove are piece of rubbish in there amazing muti million pound market. so nitendo have gtot 1 step above the psp though. the like changing the way you play rather than giving u all this bull about graphics good graphics dont make a good game yes they help but they are not the core reason for a good game. that is why the ds rules it changes the way u play games.
Having owned the DS, PSP, and GBA, I find myself with a 'new' handheld. The GAMEBOY MICRO!
Maybe im not the tech. geek that I should be,however it, to me, is the superior handheld. Not because of the superior graphics (PSP), or features (NDS), but because of the portability. Isnt that what you want a HANDHELD gaming system for? With a huge library and the ease of travel, GBM is my favorite. It is nice to watch movies and to play beautiful looking games, but thats what my home console systems are for. If play-yan comes to the US ill buy it as a relatively cheap MP3/MPEG4 player even if the screen is only 2 inches.
Dude, this is awesome now.. maybe not back in January when this was first released because back then I can understand the whole DS and PSP price thing, but now if you buy the Play-Yan it's also compatible with the Micro (or so I hear?) which equals to around $150? and that's still less than the PSP.. and I also read somewhere that Play-Yan is also compatible with the SP which is what? 79 bucks now? STILL would be cheaper than the PSP...
ok, yo im wondering if the new movie player for the ds that reads compact flash cards will be the same in the downloading that the play-yan that reads sd memory sticks(psp memeory sticks)??? yeah and if any are wondering were to buy play-yan or the new movie player for ds go to www.lik-sang.com