Six firms form the HVD Alliance around 1TB disc
By Ryan Block 
posted Feb 4th 2005 1:05PM
posted Feb 4th 2005 1:05PM
While Sony and
Toshiba (among others) are squabbling over
Blu-ray and
HD-DVD, CMC Fuji Photo, CMC Magnetics, and three
other companies have rallied around Optware's HVD
technology—that's Holographic Versatile Disc—and founded
the HVD forum. They may not come out and say it, but they've obviously got bigger fish to fry than the small
stuff—their HVD format stores 1TB of data on a single CD-sized holographic disc (yes, that's over 33 times larger than
HD-DVD, and 20 times larger than Blu-ray's capacity).
[Via
Cnet]
Goodbye DVD, Hello HVD!!!
It would be nice to jump straight to HVD, but I'm sure big business will win and we will be buying our movies on HD-DVD/Blueray even though there is a better solution available.
Ooh, shiny!
What is the seek time to find a piece of information?
How about a cost per disc? does anyone have a speculation?
does the HDV disk look bigger or am i just seeing things because of the angle of the photo?
They've been working on some technology over the past few years that woud account for such a leap in capacity.
I'll bet real money that this system stores data in 3 dimensions, which would explain why it looks thicker. Instead of a single layer, it uses 2 or 3 lasers intersecting in 3 dimensions to read and write streams of data. So it's etched INSIDE the material rather than on a plastic encased foil layer.
Then again I could be wrong.
Could you imagine how long it would take to fill one of these?
You though you were disappointed when you wasted 10 minutes duplicating a music CD.
pennies per gigabyte
once its in full production
even if its 20$ based for the disk plus cost of information on the disk its still more economical than dvd, hd-dvd and bluray.
this tech has been a long time comming, i remember reading about this years and years ago. back when it was called FMD...
ecnonomy of scale will reduce the price and perfect the spec.. HVD recorders anyone?
as for what to do with that much storage?
***********UHDTV!!!!!!!!!!***************
Can anyone tell me why designs still focus on CD sized disks with no cady? My dream disk would be 300MB miniDisc like media. Prefect all types of applications portable players, camcorders, game systems, home players, laptops, etc..
'One Disc to store it All'.
Also I have often thought because they have a cady, embedded DRM circuits could be used to protect the contents. And every circuit could be different or evol. so if one is hacked it doesn't crack all.
Sorry.... 300GB...
At this rate, nobody will be able to keep up with the leaps in technology. Before any of the three optical disc formats catch on, it'll be time to switch to the next format.
Example: this year we'll see major leaps in television technology that will make the early plasma adopters cry.
"I'll bet real money that this system stores data in 3 dimensions, which would explain why it looks thicker."
Are you aware of what the word "hologram" means?
From dictionary.com: "A three-dimensional diffraction pattern of the image of an object made using holography."
No need to "bet real money" - the fact that they're using 3D is built right into the name of the medium itself!
I'm with you ed.
Like the Cell processor that's going to be in the PS3 and that Sony and Toshiba both plan on putting in their HDTVs by 2006.
Just look at it's performance compared to an existing G4 or G5 processor.
Things aren't incremental anymore, they're eXponential!!!!
Now we're going to have latops that run like Cray supercomputers while we grab another TB disc from the spindle of 50 sitting on the desk.
forget 1080p, I'm looking forward to 21600p!
Oooooo! Gotta get me a HVD, to go with my cd, dvd, dvr, vcr.
Impressive in theory. Nowhere in the announcement was any sort of timeline for actual production. That's always the case, though.
Count on it taking a good few years before this makes any dent in any sort of storage market. By then, alternative media capacities will be much closer to 1 TB, which will negate this technology's advantage to a certain extent.
Carmi Levy
http://writteninc.blogspot.com
I need this. We all need this. But it's just too good to happen. For those that think it's too much, they don't realize my vision of the perfect future which contains completely uncompressed video at 1080p or higher plus 7.1 audio (again uncompressed of course).... screw these MPEG-based formats. RAW baby is where it's at.
How the heck are they going to put one tuberculosis on a disc? I don't think that it's very ethical.
See here for transfer rates and more:
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1759907,00.asp
What I think is most revolutionary is that reading/writing doesn't require the media to spin. Less moving parts should mean longer lifes for this equipment.
Anyone who suggests that 1TB is too much obviously hasn't read about UHDV (Ultra High Definition Video). 18mins of footage takes up 3.5TB of space. So what were people saying? 7.1ch audio? Uncompressed video? You're living in the stoneage. You're waxing your modem trying to make it go faster.
7,680 x 4,320 pixels
60fps
22.2ch audio
http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/5941.cfm
http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/0,,sid9_gci932318,00.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UHDV
I don't get it. If the media is not required to spin for reading/writing, then why make it a disc shape? Why not make it like a card (albeit a big one) that is protected in a casing, like a CF card. It's not compatible with current drives anyway.
I wonder how it actually writes to the disk. If that have one that is infinitely rewritable (or nearly so) I see this as a potential hard disk drive replacement. Potentially this could really increase reliability as well since it doesn't spin.
The only thing that bugs me is that their newest version of the disk is only 200GB...1TB is only the potential, not actually something they are able to do.
Can't wait for a HVD_R/RW, DVD+/-R/RW, CD-R/RW multi drive :P The box'll have "8x4x2x8x4x16x53x24x54" on the front!
@Isaac
They make it a disc shape because the industry infrastructure is already in place to make disc shape objects.
To research new methods and techniques of producing other shaped storage media would require too much money, when there is already an existing infrastructure.
Well Its very Difficuilt to hear 100GB BUT what about 1TB? Well I even don't own a DVD Drive & that's good I did'nt but it because Now I can buy HVD Drive :)
Bye,
PRAVARDHAN
Please send me full details of this product with catalogue and prices
Fatal flaw in Optware HVD?
http://p2pnet.net/story/3855
i like u r information
Here's a post about it on SlashDot.
(url on my link on this post)
I can't wait until engineers develop screens (or VR glasses for that matter) that are a higher resolution than the human eye. Something like 19,200 x 10,800 would likely fool any eye. That would be impressive - after all, our own senses do have limits. Even though they are less definable, eyes have a cetain resolution and bit rate and so do ears. Speaking of which sound technology has already begun to go well beyond human perception (in SOME aspects) - why can't video do the same? TV that looks and sounds just as real as the person sitting next to you! Camcorders that can genuinely capture the moment with all the reality that your eyes brought you when it happened! Giant 10 foot screen that don't look "pixely" even from a foot away, VR glasses that sit inches from your eyes but have such a high resolution and bit size that your eyes just can't tell. I can make out pixels on my laptop (1280x800) from over a foot - we've got a long way to go! But we'll get there. And with new multi-laser, 3D imaging mediums like HVD's we'll be able to store it all. Life literally written in ones and zeros!