The Clicker: Which DVR should I buy?
It was the Spring of 1999. I was a mere 9 months away from partying like it was, in fact, 1999. Silicon Valley was
booming. The Internet bubble was years away from bursting. Life was good. There wasn't a care in the world. Wait! I
take that back. There was something that was driving me nuts.
You see — I had recently been placed on two very important waiting lists. No, I wasn't waiting to hear from Stanford
and Harvard. Nor did the fates of my kidneys and liver await their destinies. I'm talking about two REALLY important
waiting lists: I was waiting to receive both a
ReplayTV and a
TiVo.
After reading about Anthony Wood (CEO and Founder of ReplayTV) and his upcoming DVR, the ReplayTV, I knew that this
was a product for me. I was a TV addict who worked late and, at times, suffered from bouts of insomnia. The idea that I
could have a personal television server stocked with only my shows was just about the best idea in the world.
I immediately ordered a Replay and began dreaming of a day without VCR tapes. I dreamt of freedom. A week later I
heard about yet another company that was doing the same thing. My Replay was still over a month away from delivery.
Perhaps this other company, TiVo, could get me one quicker. So, I order one of those too. It was now a race.
I checked the status of both orders on a daily basis. Over a month passed and I was beginning to twitch. In the end
both the TiVo and the Replay arrived on my doorstop within weeks (if not days) of each other. Over the next couple of
months I used both products. While each had its pros and cons, the two products were both remarkable in their ability
to change my life. There were expected results such as having something decent to watch at three in the morning.
However, more interesting to me was what I called the dinnertime effect. Before my DVR purchase I would rush through
dinner. I knew that if I missed the start I would have to wait until the end until my VCR-recorded show would be ready
to watch. DVRs changed that. If dinner ended at 8:15, that was just fine.
If the truth be told, I’m not 100% sure that TiVo was the technically better product. Replay seemed a bit crisper and
the video signal was cleaner. However, TiVo was just fun to use. I spent a ridiculous amount of time just making my
TiVo make sound effects. In the end, it looks like “bloop, bloop, BLOOP” won my heart.
So what’s the point here? Why the nostalgic recap? Well, since the start of ‘The Clicker’ the one question that is
asked of me more often than any other is “What DVR should I buy?” This, no doubt, is spurred on by Engadget’s
TiVo Deathwatch.
While I’ve been hesitant to recommend any one technology/product, I will say this: whether TiVo is dying or TiVo is
living, TiVo isn’t going away. I’m not Joe Namath, and I’m not guaranteeing anything. With that said – chances are a
brand new TiVo will be useful for quite some time. The TiVo service will certainly live on.
So, interestingly enough, after 6 years your choices for standalone OEM DVRs are basically the same: TiVo and Replay.
And, like before, each has its pros and cons (e.g. TiVo handles show conflicts better and Replay’s commercial skipping
is more advanced), and, like before, TiVo is still the sexier pick.
In any case, I will say here what I have replied to those of you who have written – I can only tell you what works for
me.
So, which do I use? Neither. I’m a
Windows Media
Center Edition user. Had you told me that I would be able to live without TiVo three years ago I would have called
you a liar. But now it’s true. My TiVo has been replaced and I have
Media Center
Extenders to thank for that. Before Media Center Extenders it was hard to justify the additional cost of a
full-blown computer to do the duties of a set-top box. However, after repurposing some long-in-the-tooth Xboxes with
$65 additions, I now have a complete household system: 4 Televisions all with the same pool of content. What’s more –
there are no monthly fees and there are no additional prices for the privilege of sharing content from box to
box.
Now, that’s not to say that there aren’t some issues with the system. Most notably two tuners, while better than one,
certainly aren’t enough for a household. I would hope that the next version of MCE has at least four tuners. I also
would have a hard time recommending MCE to anyone who isn’t taking advantage of MCE’s ability to drive displays at
high-resolutions (i.e. connecting via DVI) on their main display. Finally, I would be very disappointed if MCE didn’t
start to incorporate some form of integrated OpenCable support.
You asked. I answered. If you have other questions or suggestions, write to
theclicker@theevilempire.com.
Until next week – save my seat!
WAIT! Stop typing right now! I haven’t forgotten about
SnapStream or any of the other
computer-based systems. They’re just not ready for primetime. My test is simple: can I hook my mother up with the
product and be done with it? If yours can handle the others, I’m darn impressed.





















I'm going to try to be constructive here:
In the future, when writing an article like this, it would be helpful if you didn't "bury the lead" under 450 words of irrelevant personal anecdote. It would also be helpful if, like the title suggested, the reader were actually given several options of PVR to consider, with functionality and price points and such, and then perhaps a recommendation or two from you.
Just a suggestion.
This guys columns are always shallow, devoid of any sort of serious analysis, and contain the insight of a challenged 5 year old. Please quit running them and dragging down an otherwise fine web site.
I agree with the 'bury the lead'. I was hoping for something the article was not... some insight as to which way I should go with DVR selection with an HDTV system and what my options are today and where things are going (like some rumor DirecTV is going to mess around with their HD format).
This reads as though it was written under tight deadline and turned in at the last minute. 6 paragraphs of nostalgic drivel? This is pure filler. Boring filler, at that.
Could we get some intelligent analysis instead of this "bloop-bloop"?
You guys are crazy! It's not burying the lede, it's a dramatic plot twist. Man you guys are so illiterate! It's called a novella. . .
Actually, I don't get the criticisms, it's a perfectly nice little article. Quit harshing on him.
I agree with the four comments posted, even while qualifying that there's no guarantee I'd do better. The most redeeming part is that this "weekly" feature isn't run every week.
Generally agree with the author except in one major situation:
DTV. MCE is not a good DVR with DirecTV. The Directv/tivo units designed for satellite use are far superior to anything else out there... 2 tuners, guide through the feed... many hacks, etc.
I agree with the last poster. The direcTiVo combo boxes are greater than the sum of their parts-- in addition to the benefits listed, consider that they also retain the original directv bitstream, which means better picture quality and Dolby Digital audio, where available.
I too switched to a MCE, but only because I was cancelling DirecTV, and a standalone TiVo box, in and of itself, is just not at all compelling.
All that for a non-recommendation?
For the TiVo: select-play-select-3-0-select
enables 30-second skip. Not nearly as robust as Replay's but a timesaver nevertheless.
You know the bashers above are just MSFT haters. Snapstream? Spare me. BeyondTV? Gak. Tried 'em all. I'm an MCE user. Adding storage? Trivial. DVD playback? awesome. Music? It's in there. Video quality: quite good. Way beter than either of my ReplayTVs. Guide esearch speed? Instant. UI responsivness? Fast and flawless. It has none of the low end lumbering clunkieness of the existing stand alone PVRs. Hooked up via DVI to my projector it's awesome. I don't even use extenders. MCE with the "MyMovies" add-on is awesome. There is no better PVR. Period. And I've hrad from a very reliable source that CableCard support is comming.
This article wasn't intended to be a buyer's guide. What do you expect for free?
Hmmm...seems this columnist has somehow been deemed qualified to write this column yet seemingly has no awareness or perception of HDTV or HDTV PVRs.
I have had an MCPC, (many) TiVos, a ReplayTV and SnapStream. My Comcast PVR is as easy to use as any, much cheaper then all, and can record two HDTV programs simultaneously.
Once I had prerecorded HD in my house, my TiVo started to collect dust rapidly (sadly).
Furthermore, Comcast and TiVo have already announced that an HD version of TiVo will be ported to these same boxes, making them even better.
So why spend over $1000 on a PC to deliver non-HD content around your house???? Thats so 2002 of you.
> You know the bashers above are just MSFT haters
Is that so? Here's an article on a "gadget" site titled "Which DVR should I buy?". The article doesn't even answer the question, most of it is a story that nobody cares about.
He doesn't even really go into the differences between TiVo and Replay, not even a little!
Then he just switches to the surprise, "I use MCE" ... TA-DA! No reason is given why he uses this over the other 2 systems. No real details (just a link) are given about how his system is configured.
This hardly qualifies as an "article", it would have been better if engadget simply posted a "Discuss DVRs" topic and let users posts on it. As a post, this would be ok, as an article it makes no sense.
Not to mention, what about all those DVRs that you don't have to buy, and come with your cable provider? Ah, no mention of those either.
Useless.
Well the article's title is a question. Most people probably thought there would be an answer. Not just a little history on the articles DVR hardware.
Oh and I love my 2 DirecTivo's. Can't beat 2 tuners each, with perfect video, Dolby 5.1, and 120 hours of space each. For $50.
I'm a MCE user since the first public version of Media Center (MCE 2002?), and Ive also been using the Media Center Extender for Xbox since it first came out... and I can say its pretty crappy. Media Center itself is nice, but the extender on the Xbox is just crap. I dont say this cause Im a microsoft hater (i love windows mobile, xbox, etc) , I say it cause I use this product DAILY and it's so lame when it could be so awesome. The UI is sluggish, the animations and purdiness of the desktop app are gone, it wont stream any nice codecs, etc.
And Media Center does NOT pass the family/relatives test in my house. I have a second media center machine in my family room (no extender) and my family and relatives are all helpless using it. It's kinda funny... but also annoying cause I have to show them how to do everything (repeatedly).
To all the people bashing this article, go troll someplace else. I found it really interesting because on almost a daily basis I wish I had a replaytv or tivo instead of my mce/xbox extender. Guess the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence.
Ever hear the story about the guy who went to the doctor and told him arm hurt when he bent it a certain way? The doctor told him not to bend it that way.
If you don't like the article, don't read it. You probably spend more time filtering spam, pop-ups, and other crap on a daily basis, that you don't want to see. You chose to read this article. Deal with it.
Roopesh Sheth somehow managed to type;
"If you don't like the article, don't read it."
How is that humanly possible? I can't form an opinion on an article unless I read it! Are you suggesting I adquire some strange precognitive power that prevents me from reading article I consider written poorly?
Hello????
Anyways, what's the problem with criticising an article? We can't form opinions on them? This is a really weird mentality some of you are displaying here.
Hey, we appreciate the criticism, every column has its ups and downs, just as Engadget itself has its ups and downs.
Part of the problem here is the title I gave Steve's column. Really poor choice on my part, though in my defense I selected it because this column was written as a response to the numerous emails he's gotten asking for advice about which DVR he uses.
I take full responsibility for any confusion the title might have caused!
Peter
Seriously, it was a pain in the ass to get everything working (and really a few things still are not working) but the MythTV and the Myth Front ends absolutely eat the MS media center for lunch in over all functionality. Ms will get it right eventually though I'm sure (though you will always have commercials and DRM crap with MS). I started with MCE but I certianly have no urge to go back.
Well back to the topic. I love my 2 Tivo's :). And I paid less for each then the price of a media center expander. They both have 2 tuners, and record the full complete Digital stream of TV, no encoding. :)
I love DirecTV. :) All I need is HMO and I'll be complete :)
"a weekly column" is actually a typo. It should read "a weakly column."
:)
The title may have been misleading, but this "article" is so all over the map, topic-wise, that I can't think of ANY title that wouldn't have been inherently misleading.
A nice article. A nice tone. I like finding my reader in my technology articles -- it makes it more personal and human.
I too have the Media Center PC but it's been relegated to photos and music and an occasional back up DVR job.
HDTV is the Achilles heel of Media Center at the moment. When I can get HDTV on my HDTV TiVo most everything else is insignificant in a lot of ways.
I have a Replay 5060 and love it. My primary reasons for buying it at the time were price and the fact that it had networking built in, while Tivo didn't at the time.
One thing I like about the RePlay that I don't think that Tivo matches is DVArchive, which is an opensource program that lets me grab shows off my RePlay over my network as mpg files.
http://www.dvarchive.org/
vIf you are wondering about ReplayTV vs. Tivo, start with post 24. Though I have heard Tivo has something similar to DV Archive for putting shows on your pc, I am willing to bet that there are a lot of restrictions in place on what you can and can't do with shows you have recorded.
In addition to DV Archive, there is a huge community of ReplayTV users who employ Poopli (www.poopli.com) to send and recieve shows over the internet, pvr to pvr (no need to switch formats or go from pvr to pc to pc to pvr). For example, if my wife forgets about the new Bachelor and does not set it up to record, no problem. I simply request the show from another poopli member and they send it to me. The community has a lot of kind people who are interested in helping each other out, not by just recieving shows, but also kindly sending requested shows.
Then there is commercial advance. While this only works about 80% of the time, it is great to not even have to touch a button and the show continues on. For the other 20%, there is the 30-second skip button, so no loss there.
I am speaking specifically of the discontinued (but easily available on ebay) 50xx series, not the latest 55xx series of Replays. However, there is plenty of documentation on how to make a 55xx perform exactly as a 50xx with an easy hack, since the hardware is exactly the same (only the software changed removing commercial advance).
On the Tivo side, all I hear about are the commercials that pop up while you fast forward and the shows recording that you did not request. But the word "Tivo" has replaced the term "dvr", so I always tell people that the ReplayTV is a better product with worse marketing.
And for the cost (I paid $450 for the unit and a lifetime subscription), it is really worth it. My wife and I both work and have a small child, plus there is housework and thousands of other things that take time away from tv. Being able to watch our favorite shows at any time, and effectively shrinking a 1 hour episode of, for example, Alias or Desperate Housewives to 50 minutes, has saved us time and sanity. If I could convince my wife, who is a financial analyst and die-hard penny pincher, in to a believer and regular user, than that should be testament to the power of a dvr in general, and replay in particular.
Just my $0.02. Good day!