Engadget & Joystiq's live coverage of Nintendo's Revolution E3 event
posted May 17th 2005 12:17PM
Hey everyone. We're at Hollywood and Highland to bring you our live coverage of the last big announcement of E3, Nintendo's Revolution system. We'll be bringing you up to the minute coverage, so stay tuned! Yesterday we had live PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 coverage, and this morning Nintendo released the first pics of their latest console to the press-details are still slim, so we'll see how everything pans out in the latest salvo of console launches.
Here we go! They warned us there will be strobe effects during the show. They have a little experience with sending kids into seizures, so better safe than sorry? We've already seen a dozen people playing their PSPs proudly; we won't exactly expect to see these folks at the afterparty, at least not sober anyway.
Will the Nintendo Revolution be the make-or-break console for Nintendo? Speculation amongst the gaming community has everyone wondering whether Nintendo might go the way of Sega and exit the console business entirely if the Revolution doesn't work out for them. Sony and Microsoft each see themselves as gunning for number one in this next generation of consoles, so will Nintendo be content with being third for a second generation in a row? We have a feeling they're going to shoot high and gun for second, but the stakes are higher than ever for round five of the console wars.
As an aside, there are four channels of Nintendo DS pictochat going on. All four channels are full (16 people per channel). Here's some of what's coming down through the pictochat wires. Some of the stuff coming through is in Japanese, but this says it best: "I'm happy to have a seat!" (The event is standing-room only. The venue is just too small for the size of this audience.) The fire marshall has finally thrown in his two cents. Yeah, it's that crowded. No one is listening to the fire marshall, which could pose a problem in a couple of minutes, if, you know, the stage bursts in flames or something. Pictochat: "Apart from Zelda, what r we here for?" The responses: "Revolution?" Uh, yeah guys, did you get the memo?
Apparently, "we are now beginning" is actually code for "twenty minutes until we begin". You know you're at E3 when even event scheduling is hyped. Actually, this is because of fire marshall issues here. Ok, here we go!
Lights dimming. Game geeks cheering. "We remain all about the game. Actions speak louder than words." Saturo Iwata
comes on stage and sez: "My name is Iwata, I'm about making games, and I'm about playing games. Last night I played
super smash brothers. That's my game. I kick some ... you know what. So Reggie, I have a question for you. Who's your
daddy?" Wonderful.
"Possess. Conect. Connect." They're showing Zelda clips and the crowd roars. They'll be presenting the "first
meaningful information about the Revolution", along with DS and Zelda details. Now I know many of you walked in here
today with numbers swimming in your heads. .... We'd like to add one more number to the mix, and that number is "2", as
in two billion games. That's the number of games Nintendo has sold since we entered the business 20 years ago. .... If
you're ready to move beyond pure numbers to a place where your right brain can envision the best in innovation ....
you've come to the right place."
The word "or" does not apply to Nintendo. The word "and" is at their core. They want to include everyone. They're talking up how Nintendo is the place where "the right game goes to play". Sound like anyone else we know?
"Nintendo occupies a unique position in our industry. We are one of the top two game system manufacturers in the world
and one of the top two game publishers in the world. Nintendo remains first and foremost a content company. We
exist for the love of the game. We're about the levels the characters, the interface, the entertainment. We're about
reaching what's known, and going into the unknown.... Today, you'll begin to understand how our Revolution is preparing
to storm the gates. ... For 16 years Nintendo has OWNED the portable game space. We created it, and we're not moving
out."
The Big Boys are whipping it out. Reggie is comparing GBA to PS2 numbers—upward of 28 million each They're talking
about the PSP and PlayStation 2 quite some bit. They know they have to, because Sony's the biggest game in town, and
have the systems to beat right now.
Reggie is now touting Electroplankton as software that attracts people who aren't interested in games. They're showing
a clip of a guy playing around with the game; he loves it, and we will too if they'd just freaking release it worldwide
already.
"[Electroplankton] is an excellent example of software that reaches out to people who don't even consider themselves
gamers yet. David Hollands, DJ, talks gaming. "I've been in gaming since the beginning.... And now Nintendo has this
Electroplankton game. One of the great things I've found about working with Electroplankton in the studio is that
they're got really great sounds. I was able to make the track completely with just the sounds from the DS."
Reggie says: "We know more creativity means more fun. We also know more people means more fun. Especially if you're
connecting them around the world. .... This is the year that Nintendo players begin connecting with each other in a new
way: through WiFi Internet. ... Finding rivals with Nintendo WiFi connection occurs on two distinct levels." (via
peer-to-peer connections with known friends and via wireless hotspots)
"We expect the participation rate for Nintendo DS to reflect the clear majority of owners. We see no reason why that
participation rate can't reach as high as 90%. We're making access even more appealing because we're not assessing an
additional charge for wireless access. Free wireless hotspots outside the house, and free inside the house connection
via your existing wireless network."
They will showcase WiFi internet tomorrow on the show floor, including Mario Kart DS. Around the world 25 developers
are working on games for WiFi Internet play, including: Activision, Bandai, Capcom, EA, Konami, Activision, Ubisoft,
Square Enix, THQ.
Now they're showing off Mr. Miyamoto's latest pet project, Nintendogs. "It's taught the Japanese game world to sit up and take notice. It remains the top-selling game franchise in Japan with more than 400,000 copies having sold through in less than a month's time. As is always the case, hit software sells hardware. The launch of Nintendogs is responsible for making Nintendo DS the best-selling system in Japan, outselling the PSP by three times."
"Bark mode" allows players to search for play partners for their dog. The system "barks" indicating that someone
else in the WiFi network has the game. Turns out that it's Miyamoto's dog (what a surprise!). Miyamoto's dog appears to
be, uh, getting friendly with Mia. Hoots from the crowd. What is this, Married With Children?
It's Game Boy Micro! They just announced a new portable that's "just a hair bigger and about two thirds the weight of
an iPod mini. But it will play every Game Boy Advance game you own. It is not new technology, but it is a brand new
look. ... It has the best and brightest screen we've ever put in a hand held. No matter how tight your jeans, it'll fit
in your pocket." To market in Fall, to "the image conscious consumer". It is not a successor, but an "extension of
portable play".
Satoru Iwata Prez of Nintendo is on stage; the Revolution has been revealed, and he's making this clear that this one
is only a prototype. It's a small black box (we know) but he claims it will be even smaller in the final iteration, and
that it's backwards compatible. "Clearly the Revolution is by far the smallest console we have manufactured. In its
final form, it will be even smaller than this, about the size of 3 DVD cases stacked together. It will play either
horizontally or vertically."
He's just not giving details, not announcing new titles, and this is just a teaser. However, new versions of Mario and
Zelda are underway. Hopefully, we'll get to see some clips but no sign yet; this has been a very clip-free event so
far. Iwata expects the Revoltuion to help people make unique content like the DS. He hasn't hinted at what exactly will
allow that to happen. A wireless Final Fantasy is in devlopment.
Iwata says it will be easier, faster and cheaper to develop for the Revolution than any of the other consoles. He
wants to big idea to prevail over big budget. On masterpieces: "Not everyone sets out to create an expensive,
time-consuming masterpiece. Here, Revolution also earns its name. We are convinced that the Revolution will be most
developer-friendly. In this next generation, development costs will move easily into 8 figures. We have created a
solution to allow them to exercise creative freedom ... this is a system where a big idea can prevail over big
budgets."
"Backward compatibility: the disc drive will accept Gamecube games. We have designed Revolution to be a virtual
console, enabling it to download 20 years of Nintendo content. ... It is the gaming experience that will most separate
Revolution from its competitors." This is huge! It will have built in emulation for NES, SNES, N64, as well as being
able to read and play GameCube games! This completely trumps Sony's two-gen backwards compatitibility in the PS3.
All access gaming: more games, more players, more opportunities for developers, and more imagination in defining what
a game can be.
"It is my job to run a global company. Within my job what gives the most satisfaction is seeing someone pick up a
controller and finding surprise and delight. What touches their heart, touches my heart. ... The machine is just a
tool. The experience comes from the software. Those of you who consider the possibilities of combining ... wireless
connections, Internet connection and flash memory, can begin to make educated guesses on what games we might be
constructing."
"Next generation versions of Mario and Zelda are already underway. We also have big plans for Metroid in our
Revolution. The key here is not what you are playing, but how you will be playing. Revolution will [allow the creation]
of entirely new genres. ... We expect strong third-party content in both hemispheres. For example, Square Enix is
already working on a WiFi version of Final Phantasy ... for the Revolution."
Battalion Wars: "Combined action strategy warfare and third-person shooting in a novel way... by seamlessly blending
action-oriented gameplay with real time strategy ... you command entire squadrons with the touch of a button"
Killer 7: "Blood, swearing and mayhem. Graphical presentation that achieves the developer's dream of producing a work
of post-modern art."
We can expect coming GameCube titles: Fire Emblem, Battalion, Geist, Killer 7, Batman Begins, Pokemon XD: Gale of
Darkness, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, Donkey Konga 2, The Incredible Hulk: Ultimate Destruction, Dreamworks
Madagascar, Madden NFL 2006, One Piece (cell-shaded hotness!), Scooby Doo! Unmasked, Spartan: Total Warrior, Dance
Dance Revolution: Mario Mix, Mario Party 7, WWE Day of Reckoning, Super Mario Strikers, Nintendo Penant Chase Baseball,
Midway Arcade Treasures 3, Harvest Moon, Shadow the Hedgehog, Mario Baseball, Medal of Honor: European Assault, and The
Legend of Zelda: The Dark Princess.
We can also expect the following portable titles: Dynasty Warriors Advance, Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stone, Mario
Tennis Advance, Yoshi Topsy Turvy, Screw Breaker, Pokemon Emerald, Metroid Prime Hunters, Nintendogs, Mega Man Battle
Netowrk 5, Mario Kart DS, Splinter Cell Chaos Theory, Electroplankton, Need for Speed Underground 2, Pac-n-Roll,
Phoenix Wright Ace Attorney, Trace Memory, Goldeneye Rogue Agent, Mario-n-Luigi 2, Advance wars: Dual Strike, Kirby
Canvas Curse, New Super Mario Bros, Madden NFL 2006, Spyro Shadow Legacy, Enteos, Castlevania DS, Star Wars 3 Revenge
of the Sith, Trauma Center Under the Knife, Viewtiful Joe.
The Mario soccer game has all the humor and cuteness you'd expect. Four new Mario titles this year, including Dance
Dance Revolution: Mario Mix. Oy!
Saving the best for last, eh? Here comes Link, and there go the strobe lights. We're feeling faint. The vid and
in-game play is intense, very dark, very unusual for Zelda. Link can transform into a werewolf? Yo, this game looks
astounding.
That's all folks. First impression of the event is that it delivered what it had to. We saw the Revoltion prototype,
upcoming GBA and DS titles and even had a surprise with the Micro (which looks sweet). The tone of the event was much
more low-key than we expected, with an audience that was much harder to please than the GDC crowd. The new hardware,
Zelda and Mario got the most applause, so that must be why they keep releasing the same properties over and over again
(well, that and the sales figures attached). Iwata wasn't quite as articulate as he was at GDC, which may be the result
of a press-only audience, but he still had the charm on.
Overall, Nintendo fans will be pleased, and Sony should be a little more worried that the Micro will be grabbing
bucks from our portable gaming budgets. The Revolution is a really unsexy device, all things considered—but it is a
prototype, and they did hammer home that they want input from their adoring public. This may also just prove that
Nintendo is serious when they say they don't care about the hardware as much as they do about the gaming experience.
They had to show something, and they did. It didn't hurt them, it didn't help them. As I said, they did what they had
to do. Now on to the expo floor where we can put some of this hype to the test.
They closed with "Beyond this year, a revolution awaits." We definitely agree, but will it be a revolution in gaming,
or all about the Nintendo Revolution?
As usual, I think the problem with some of you is that you only see the development in single dimension.
If you have been through the home gaming phase in 70/80s or before, you'd know that the last decade has been very VERY polarized. There is only so much eyecandy some people can take, and inevitably some older generations have been burning out.
But some of you can't even begin to comprehend to that, can you. It's very youthful to think that the bigger is the only way to be better. But as you will see, Nintendo will survive because there is a point beyond it that you are failing to notice.
I don't think they'll ever take the mainstream market though. But they'll always be around for obvious reasons, it's a shame some of you fail (or are too young) to see why.
Don't know... It seems like nintendo have made a mistake with this "only talking" revolution presentation. When do we get some facts? This conference looked so strange to me, sure they are so hard at work that can't even do a super presentation to the world for Revolution, but i wonder why we could'nt see anything. There are 3 possibilities:
1- Nintendo is really owning a groundbreaking system, wich is not possible to unveil now. Remember how, in the years, every innovation nintendo has made was stolen from other companies; the joypad from NES, shoulder buttons from SNES, the joystick in N64 gamepad (also rumble pack), the analogue triggers in GC, even the shapes of all those gamepads. Rememer also the elecrtonic glove for NES.
2- The big N is simply not ready, perhaps they're still in developing, shurely for new interface...
3- They want to wait "nintendo gameshow" cause they care much more for an "in house" unveiling.
In spite of everything, i'm sad about thi E3, there is nothing to do, it was disappointing how they did not unveiling anything thrilling... c'mon, i mean, what was that samus jumping? I want to know what are those patents talked in the rumors, what is so revolutioning? Why i'll going to say WOW at the graphics? I don't want to wait another 6 months, thats it.
Sad nintendo fan.
I want to be able to play my NES carts again!
"Why do you care so much about Nintendo if you think they are doomed?"
The most important question in the comments. It's simply because they can't understand. They have no imagination. They want so bad for everyone to see that "their" system is the best and it's a slap in the face to them when people don't agree. They gush over specs, graphics, propaganda & such without even having a clue. PS3 is 35 times as powerful as PS2? Please...give me a break. Just like the PS2 could render Toy Story in real-time. To me it looks like this generations systems are just now living up to last generations hype. And to the guy that said that the PS3 is more powerful than any computer you can buy, thanks! I really needed that laugh. "that is a fact"...lol still get's me going. So you're telling me that Sony's going to lose at least 1000 dollars on each PS3 or that the things going to retail for 3000.
You've got to remember looks only make up maybe a 1/5 of the game. Doesn't matter how pretty it is if nobody likes to play it or the controls suck. Personally, I think I'll wait until they all come out and then make my choice.
Oh, and on the topic I do like the way the Revolution looks. I also think Microsoft made big improvements over their last design too. However the PS3 is looking rather odd. Oversized compact purse? Sunglass case? Tombstone? Car Stero Amp? Don't know what they were thinking.
It wouldnt be stooping low for Nintendo to go third party. They would obviously reach a bigger audience by developing for Microsoft or Sony and save the consumers money from buying a Nintendo console.
I owned the Gamecube since launch and can honestly say it wasnt worth it. Except for a few games like Metriod Prime, Resident Evil 4, Viewtiful Joe and Eternal Darkness. Out of those 4, RE 4 and VJ are no longer exclusive, and Silicone Nights makers of ED no longer develope exclusively for Nintendo.
Nintendo IS having a hard time getting 3td party. It wouldnt suprise me if they had to pay third party developers to make games for the Revolution. 3rd partys will not want to waste time producing games for an inferior system with little home penetration.
Nintendo had an opportunity today, to show that they are a force to be reckoned with and guess what? They blew it. So why then is it that people are defending them? Obviously their nothing but fan boys.
Yes Nintendo, bring us another mediocre system, who cares about Devil May Cry 4 and Halo 3 bring us back Super Mario Bros 3!! I cant wait to play Super Mario 64 on my next gen.
Nintendo hasnt had a good system since Super Nintendo and they just keep getting worse and worse with each gen. Stop holding on to your childhood memories of how good gaming was. Nintendo has lost it. You people need to wake the F' up.
PrettyObvious.
Nintendo wouldn't make as much money as a multiformat developer as they would just now, why else do you think they are the most profitable. Because they have a great business model.
The would also massively degrade in quality, they wouldn't be allowed to operate as they do on their own - this would damage the games.
Your comment about paying for games, that is exactly what Microsoft and Sony had to do - what's your point.
Nintendo had an oppertunity? Unless you are uninformed you knew they were'nt going all out today. The oppertunity is next year, as everyone knows!
"Obviously they are fan boys"
Sorry sunshine but petty insults dont win discussions. Call me a fan boy if it helps, I'm actually a multiformat gamer who doesn't hate Nintendo, I actually find their products of excellent quality.
"I cant wait to play Super Mario 64 on my next gen."
And I bet you'll be buying FFXI and Halo 2.5 - great games are great games, no matter what the age is. And if Nintendo provide the classics free you simply can't call that anything bar an awesome service.
Finally Nintendo has lost nothing, bar maybe some market obviously. They will have lost somthing when the major franchises stop being some of the most respected games in the industry - thankfully for us gamers that will never happen.
I agree, I like the simplistic monolithic design of the Revo over the ps3 and 360. Kind of hope they keep it, but a small design feature here and there could liven it up a bit. But i prefer the sleekness of the ps3 over the cheap looking pasty whiteness of the 360. it does remind you of a dell optiplex (shudders)...
another big thing that microsoft has against them that sony and ninten have is something that will a bigger issue later on: portability. Both sony and nintend have the capability of continuing the entertainment experience outside the living room, with the PSP and the DS. The 360 is limited to the moment u turn it on, and the moment you turn it off. In this world of fast-paced society, not everyone has time to f' around for hours configuring a character. It'd be awesome to start a configuration or something, then go to Panera bread with a hot spot, whip out your DS or PSP and connect Wi-Fi to your Revo or your your PS3, and finish your character. The
i don't get nintendo... they make great games, and here again they comment that they are just a just a content provider, but i'm confused, why the release of more and more hardware platforms. I wish they would make video games for cell phones, to get the majority of users who don't want to carry yet another device around. Either way at least soon i'll be able to play the old coin-op games that me and my mates have been mastering over the years thanks to Sennari and Channel 1 games which are launching my favorite monopology... even better is that i'll be able to play and win prizes for all those nights of practices... i can't wait.
#206
"PS3 is more powerful than any computer you can buy, thanks! I really needed that laugh. "that is a fact"...lol still get's me going."
The cpu is faster than the fastest Athlon or Pentium on the market today. The graphics card is not even available for purchase yet. ??? how is that not more powerful again? you complete moron.
Also regarding everyone pulling the old "religious rebuttal" as I like to call it, you know, by disputing peoples remarks with generic crap like "nintendo knows what they are doing" or "they haven't shown us anything yet, just wait"... It has been quoted by the CEO of nintendo that the revolution WILL BE 2 to 3 times more powerful then the gamecube. How are any of you disputing that fact? ..it came from your empirical leader it should be gospel by now for you pokemon freaks.
2-3 times more powerful then the gamecube... I have read 5 people so far who have come right out and said it will be more powerful then the xbox 360??? wtf? it uses 512 flash ram, the ATI card isnt half as good as the one xbox will be using, and the cpu is less then a pentium 3.0 ..These are all FACTS... I dont get where you guys are disputing this crap.
either there are some really really retarded people on this board, or you guys have been brainwashed eating to many of those giant mushrooms.
okay I just saw the gamespot feed..
really.. Nintendo kicks ass in portables, and the Revolution didn't show much. I mean. It's obvious they've got some weird online/interface thing coming but they will NOT tell us what it is. Furthermore, they want feedback from the public to help them design the Revolution. Pretty cool, I think, that they're basically saying, we want you guys to tell us what you want.
So to sum up, the Revolution will play tons of awesome GC games, a bunch of new Rev games, and can download ($$) any Nintendo first-party game ever made.
They're gonna be just fine..
BTW. Look at the Zelda clips.. that's not Revolution , that's the GC with it's 'pathetic' 1.8GB discs. I think it's gorgeous.
mack, you can't honestly say you think the Xbox and PS2 are similarly powered. Go play God of War again. Notice how there are no fine details in the graphics. Now go play Ninja Gaiden. Despite being a much earlier game in the life of the system, it's got so many more fine details. God of War somehow managed to create an enormous world, but everything looks a bit blank close up.
PS2 simply can't hang with an Xbox.
And you keep chirping about the Revolution being only 2-3 times faster than a GC, but you're forgetting how much Nintendo understates everything. They were giving out GC numbers that paled in comparison to PS2 numbers, but does the PS2 blow the GC away? No.
Granted, I have no clue how they'd manage to hide anything comparable to a 360 or PS3 in that tiny system, but until you actually get some solid details, it's worthless to throw out all your conjecture with such finality.
Do yourself a favor in life - wait until you have hard facts before you make such declarations. You'll spend significantly less time looking like a horses ass when you get surprised.
mack.
Did you not read my little tip, just trying to help kid. (go back to #194)
Again even if the revolution is only a few times more powerful it's bloody impressive. Think RE4 but 3 times more powerful, now look past the Microsoft spin and it'll easily match DOA4.
The Flash RAM has nothing, absolutely nothing, to do with power.
"ATI card isnt half as good as the one xbox will be using"
Erm, excuse me but unless I've missed something there has been no spec announcements. Stop clutching at straws to try and hold your weak argument.
"and the cpu is less then a pentium 3.0"
Again, the CPU has not been commented on.
"These are all FACTS"
Hit caps lock, repeat it out loud a thousand times and it's still not true - though you may just tire yourself out and let people who know what they are talking about comment.
"or you guys have been brainwashed eating to many of those giant mushrooms."
Your the one believing the Sony/Microsoft dressed up specs, you probably even stil think the PS2 runs 100 Million polys in real time. Sure you haven't been eating anything suspect.
I have to ask myself why I bother, I took the day off to enjoy E3 and sit online taking part in logical discussion - I'd have been better off going for colonic irrigation, I would have seen less crap than I have from some commenter here today.
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Sorry, just wanted to join in with everyone else.
131 you are so right haha all the other systems screwed them selfs over what sstem am i going to get they wil ask them selfs and theywnt have to worry aabout nintendo. x box and ps3s money will be split. nintendo is going to sneak in and own at the next e . come on what are the other companys going to show. so ya its lame we have another year but the hype will be much greater plus if enough people say they like the 3d tec then they will put it in. good fing job nintendo
the same exact reason I got the gamecube. zelda.
#216
"131 you are so right haha all the other systems screwed them selfs over what sstem am i going to get they wil ask them selfs and theywnt have to worry aabout nintendo. x box and ps3s money will be split. nintendo is going to sneak in and own at the next e . come on what are the other companys going to show. so ya its lame we have another year but the hype will be much greater plus if enough people say they like the 3d tec then they will put it in. good fing job nintendo"
this, my friends, is a what we are dealing with when they say "nintendo fanboy" need i say more?
nintendo understands that games make a successful console and not power. and also the price. who knows, the xbox and the ps3 will be so expesive (just look at the specs) and everyone will settle for the revolution instead.
mack.
You have lost any remote and unrealistic argument you had here, if you could even call it that.
You sidestep any good arguement posted toward you, claim unreal things as fact and then grab a completely random post in a vain last ditch attempt to prove what?
Do yourself a favour and give up now, leave the thread and accept defeat.
"Xbox spokesmen have pointed out that 360's specifications are 10 to 13 times more powerful than those of the original Xbox; Sony said Monday that the processor in Play-Station 3, which will come in several colors and be out next spring, will be 35 times more powerful than the PS2 processor."
Lets look at these numbers that they are giving us.
Xbox: 733 MHz x 10,13 = 7330,9529
PS2: 233 MHz x 35 = 8155
Faulty logic, or is the Xbox 360 just as fast, if not faster than the PS3?
"The cpu is faster than the fastest Athlon or Pentium on the market today. The graphics card is not even available for purchase yet. ??? how is that not more powerful again? you complete moron."
and you know this how??? oh that's right...Sony said it, so it must be true. Mack, you are still cracking me up you weak minded, deluded troll. A chip that costs more than they will probably sell the system for is slower...sure. Hey I heard Sony say that it can compute wormhole physics in realtime...your one more step to getting home!!!! LMAO
Jared, the clock speed means nothing.
But of course, the PS2 is pretty weak compared to the Xbox, so by their measures you're closeish.
Maybe. I have no idea how powerful the PS2 processor itself is, the entire console is certainly much weaker than the Xbox but the CPU may not be as bad off as you think. It's also supposed to be horrible to write effecient code for, making it look even worse off (and the GPU and other components are under the Xbox's power).
Mack-
Just shut the Fuck up already, go to EB games and check out the top five best rated games ever and you will find three of them to be Nintendo games. "pokemon freaks" pokemon has sold the second most games ever second only to guess who? Mario.
So why don't you shut the FUCK up already because even though it will be inferior to the 360 or PS3, guess what? We "fanboys" will still buy it and we will still be buying more games for it and keep the record going
It might be inferior but I don't give a fuck!!
First off all, I don't own ANY console, I'm just interessted in technology. And gaming.. a bit.. of course.. and with "don't own any" I don't count my Dreamcast.. And: I'm on no side. No religion. NOooo Sir!
Why only this "talkshow"? Isn't it obvious? Microsoft pulled out the XBOX 360 early, will probably release it for X MAS, or even earlier. They have a running system! People could play games. We all have seen it. Haven't we? There are more and more screens and live videos coming. The XBOX is ready and looks good.
http://www.golem.de/0505/38072.html
Look at this large preview. It's german but many screens. Has three pages (just look pages at bottom right of text to advance).
SONY: PANIC! What cans we, what cans we do?? AAAHHH.. Theyse gonnas buys the XBOX!!
Waht do? What do? Tells thems ours will be.. no! Is betters! Tells thems!
Guess what they do? They make up:
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=23285
Anyone? Nice facts.. hm?
And even if we ignore that:
How can they even dare show a "live video"? Their system is, they say it, 18 month away. There is no PS3, some dev. version only, I suppose! There are no games! There can't be! Or were is the PS3?
No! Nos! Nos! I have seens it! Seens it!
this is called "religous believe" where I come from. "Elvis didn's takes no drugs!
This is.. "BULLS*I*".. You know the show.. I'm german and I even know it.
And Nintendo? With all this hype about the new consoles, what could they do? What did you think would happen? They had to show something. And thats it: something. All they have are concepts. It's obvious. It's only a concept design! For holy donno who's sake!
They were forced to push something out by MS, and a litte by Sony.
Just wait. Juuuuust wait. Think. And wait. End: think!
And buy the XBOX, for holy somebody's sake, buy an XBOX, have fun, play the new Madden in your holidays. Don't stick to religous chanting PS3, PS3, PS3, RE-VO-LUTION, X BOX.. JA DA JA DA. (People can't live without religion, mmm? They have to make it up everywhere, hm?)
Wait.. you fall for their marketing, their advertisement, then you make a quasi religion out of it? Wooo.. I'm lucky I'm not a believer in any way. Or I'd really get my "behind" kicked for worshipping those "false gods".. from those other gods.. or god.. I think.. ?
REMEMBER:
It's just a product. It's a GAME! Have fun! And then maybe you'll have more fun buying the PS3 NEXT holiday. Then throw away your XBOX 360, or don't. Doesn't matter: As long as you have phun!
What is yos problems anyway? Is it that you think 'cause you own a PS2 and the PS3 maybe not as good as the X.. It's gonna make you a bad person? Make you lose against the X Boys! That's it! And the X Boys think the same! Ah, now I see! Now I see! Stop it! Have fun instead.
And don't forget: They want to sell. They will tell you anything, if you only buy it! Aaahh.. nfoo's wisdom from the seventh grade...
I'm really surprised at all the Nintendo hate coming through the pipe here. How can anybody hate Nintendo? It's like hating the Green Party.
Consider:
The big N has been in the game longer than anyone else.
For years they waged war with Sega without forcing them out of the market, and fostered what will come to be known as the Golden Age of videogames (that's the 16-Bit era, for all you pre-pubescents).
Despite rising pressure on their market share, Nintendo has never jumped on the bandwagon just for the sake of the bottom line.
They've pushed user-friendliness and genuine innovation but always to make the gaming experience more enjoyable. They may not have always made the right choice, but you know they had the best intentions.
And, most importantly, Nintendo games are the best thought out, most user-freindly, genuinely fun games on the market today.
Right now it looks like the Revolution is the only gaming system coming out next year. I don't especially want or need my XBOX 360/PS3 to stream music, sort my photos, record TV, surf the web, turn on the lights, feed my fish and fuck my girlfriend. Like the restaurant that serves everything, none of it's any good.
I want a gaming console, so bring on the Revolution, Nintendo.
MY GOD!!! I will be back in a few minutes, I just crapped myself and need to change my pants and underwear.
hey everyone out there look at the graphics of the current gen of consoles.. the gamecube had so much potential to put great games out there (ign put re4 at the best game of all time)the power is there they just need a little help... i wouldnt get 2 hyped about any of this right now we got a whole year to wait for this stuff to come out its time to play the waiting game.. hopefully nintendo will pick up the slack
*if*, god forbid, nintendo did ever drop out of the hardware game i'd like to see them develop games with microsoft only... now THAT would shut those damn playstation fanboys up!
wouldn't that be something to behold!
225, if you read the specs for PS3, its supposed to process 2x as fast as 360. And Revolution is exactly how Iwata put it.....it is what its name describes. Next-gen games will kick so much ass, and we will all bow down before the awesome glory of Nintendo Revolution. They have always been about quality games, not making loads of money. So what if they make redesigned Game Boys over and over? Who really honestly cares? If you don't want to buy it, don't. Just don't complain to everyone else about how much it's going to suck and how you're not going to get it because it's a waste of time and money. Just don't get it and be done with it. Personally, I would like to see just how much better the Micro is. It's supposed to be half as small as a GBA SP, and 2/3 the weight of an iPod. Who can honestly say they'd rather have a folding GBA SP that bulges in their pocket uncomfortably for all to witness? Anywho, I just made that screenshot of the new Zelda title my desktop wallpaper, and that is definitely joining my expansive collection of Nintendo games. And I don't care who knows it, but I am a Nintendo fanboy for life, my only discontent is that it all doesn't come out NOW!!!
225, if you read the specs for PS3, its supposed to process 2x as fast as 360. And Revolution is exactly how Iwata put it.....it is what its name describes. Next-gen games will kick so much ass, and we will all bow down before the awesome glory of Nintendo Revolution. They have always been about quality games, not making loads of money. So what if they make redesigned Game Boys over and over? Who really honestly cares? If you don't want to buy it, don't. Just don't complain to everyone else about how much it's going to suck and how you're not going to get it because it's a waste of time and money. Just don't get it and be done with it. Personally, I would like to see just how much better the Micro is. It's supposed to be half as small as a GBA SP, and 2/3 the weight of an iPod. Who can honestly say they'd rather have a folding GBA SP that bulges in their pocket uncomfortably for all to witness? Anywho, I just made that screenshot of the new Zelda title my desktop wallpaper, and that is definitely joining my expansive collection of Nintendo games. And I don't care who knows it, but I am a Nintendo fanboy for life, my only discontent is that it all doesn't come out NOW!!!
The last great true RPG ever released was Final Fantasy 3 for the SNES. Look at that game. The graphics, compared to today, are terrible. The sound, again compared to today, is not up to par. And yet, Square has not made a better RPG since that game. Yes, the ones they made on the PS and PS2 look great, and sound great, but they don't have the same feel.
Graphics, sound, speed...all are important BUT they are not as important as the feeling you get playing the game. One of the most popular games in the history of video games is Tetris. The graphics are basic. Sound is basic. But the game is fun. And addictive.
Power is great, but it comes with a high price. Developers are going to be putting out upwards of $10,000,000 to make one game for these new systems. If it doesn't sell, it's going to kill some companies. The Revolution will not force any developer to spend that kind of money, and it might be easy and cheap enough to program that we may see new 3rd party companies come into play.
Let Sony and Microsoft pick away at each other...it will only hurt them in the long run. Nintendo will be just fine. They've survived every battle so far, and will continue to do so.
I can see why a lot of people didn't like the conference, but I have to say, I was duely impressed. After the show Sony put on the night before, I was afraid Nintendo was finally biting the dust. But the backwards compatability thing is more than enough preogative for me. Personally, I like that Nintendo is keeping secrets. They're playing the game cautiously, waiting for the right moment. The Revolution is already going to sell millions simply because of the many Nintendo fanboys like myself who want to be able to play every Nintendo console game ever made. I mean, that doesn't sound likea deal, that sounds like we're stealing from Nintendo.
And as for the new Zelda...all I have to say is, Link is a werewolf. That just plain rocks. Then there's Electroplankton. I thought it was going to be stupid, but I was surprised. Add another title to my list of must-have DS games. Nintendogs looks promising as well.
Someone told me that Nintendo revealed the controller today, and he said it was a helmet. I won't believe him until I see it for myself, but is it true?
If nothing else Nintendo is innovative and one of the key things to set them aside from the competition is their great controllers. Way more comfortable and ergonomic than PS controllers. I say PS and not PS1 PSX or PS2, because the controller hasn't changed. Sony never bothered to update it, yeah they chucked on joystick control and added vibrate, copying Nintendo, but really the controller hasn't changed.
Oh, and for the record I have a PS2, so I'm not a Playstation hater...
On the processor front, hasn't the saying always been:
"Size doesn't matter, it's what you do with it that counts."
But for those of you who are size queens, Nintendo's archive instantly gives it more games than any other console.
You'll truely appreciate the old games because they don't distract you with good graphics and sound. You get to concentrate on the "core" of the game. There are a lot of good games for the NES, etc. And the Revolution gives you the possiblity to play them again. The Revolution will surely be in my living room when it comes out. But I'll still get either the Xbox 360 or the PS3.
Excuse my rantish tangent, but comparing Nintendo's E3 conference with Microsoft and Sony has convinced me that Nintendo is playing niche market. I also think it's a good idea.
Let's face it - Nin hasn't been mainstream since the Snes and they never will be again. Gaming seems the kind of industry that once you're uncool, you're uncool forever.
I think it's because there's so much juvenile ego tied up in the console wars - every generation needs a "dork" to laugh at, and once you're it there's no coming back. No console company has ever lost face and recovered. Atari, Sega, 3DO, all became laughing stocks at one point and stayed that way, even if they cleaned up their act. Look at the Dreamcast, great machine that should've done well. But I remember I wasn't going to touch it because "only dorks buy Sega consoles" (thank the Game Gear, Sega CD, Sega Saturn etc for that stupid prejudice). You can see it happening with the N-gage, all reports say the N-gage QD is a good little machine, but the stigma of the original is so great that there's not many people who'll buy QD. The average gamer seems to buy the console that makes him feel "cool", so unless you're "cool" the mainstream won't touch you.
If you think Nintendo could honestly come back, take a look at all the "Nintendo haters" who somehow feel that Mario insults their masculinity. No matter WHAT the specs of the revolution, do you see them ever swallowing their pride and buying one? (And yes I know there's Nintendo fanboys too, but that's not the point, to go mainstream again they need to convert the haters)
These days Nintendo is producing games for a smaller, devoted group of people who like Nintendo's style. And as long as that's profitable why should they change? Ironically, it's going to get better for them as the gaming population gets older. Yes older, because the only people who are afraid of associating with "kiddy" things are KIDS. All the Nintendo fans I know are Adults who consider the Xbox and PS systems juvenile (I admit the pure machismo and teenage angst in Metal Gear Solid made me feel kinda silly).
Nintendo is becoming the "Disney" of gaming.
That explains their determination to brand themselves "quirky, innovative and fun" rather than "hip, cool and sexy". I do wonder however if the gaming population will grow old fast enough to make that a viable tactic, but they've been turning decent profits so far, so they'll probably make the distance.
(Gotta say - watching models prance around touting a games machine as sexy is really funny if you ever look at the crowd and see who play the things. Gamers are not sexy people I'm afraid, no matter how big their CPU is.)
Ill have to agree with #238 you shouldnt really care if a consol isnt the most poopular, if nintendo are third and are still making money they will stay in the game. Buy what suits you, im getting a nintendo revolution because i like nintendos style.
I agree, IIAGO.
In fact, i'm a 23 old nintendo fan, my brother is 32 and he said that was unhappy about the REVO design - "what? this is not Nintendo style, i want a toy like Gamecube!"; that's right, he's in love with the "kid's toy design"...I'm even not a hardcore gamer, i never spent much time or money for ton of games, i like the good ones and play sometimes, the truth is that i simply want a Nintendo console in my house. I think the REVO's design is pretty cool, but i'm not going to buy it for aesthetic purposes... (i'm a f***ing nintendo fan, i love nintendo for hardware and software, so i'll buy revo cos' i MUST :P)
You're right about games too; putting the "kiddy" mario in a racer game has made it a new genre, nevertheless, now i cannot count how many "mariokart style games" have popped up, on EVERY console.
And if i want some sex, i don't look at my sexy console's design still, for hours, i made it with my girlfriend :P
I hope to see some revo games soon, maybe in september on Nintendo Space World 2005? who knows?
Forgive my bad, bad english :)
iiago.
Awesome points all round, best in the comments, and I have to agree.
I'm of the personal opinion that the Cube was a test console, it was testing the waters (Dolphin) of the mainstream. The system went about trying to be like my PS2 nearly (playstation/gamecube, pretty similar), though in a naturallly Nintendo way, by creating easy games.
Just compare the N64 versions of big franchises to the Cube versions - they are all damn good games but WW and SMS are much easier to play than their previous predecessors.
Nintendo have now realised that they can't compete with Sony in their own field (the mainstream) and indeed have even been matched by a new mainstream system in the xbox.
The test failed.
So I think Nintendo will just decide to cater for the people that bought a Cube or 64, we'll see a return of more heavily Nintendo games and a more Nintendo system again - the "Revolution", now that's the Nintendo I know and love.
Basically Nintendo can easily get away with this, if we continue to enjoy the games, we'll continue to buy them. They have the best and most expansive range of franchises of any one developer and people love the games.
They are still the most profitable, Sony last FY made $400 Million, EA $525 Million and Nintendo $765 Million. Why should the enter a mainstream battle when they don't need to do so, let the alleged "big boys" duke it out and damage each other - Nintendo can sit back as a different entity and prosper on their own. Geat stuff.
One last point, you mentioned one of the two most ironic things for Nintendo - the comments about adult Cube gamers etc, how true.
The other irony as I've mentioned is people declaring the hatred of Nintendo then wishing them to go third party so they can play the games. That's just how ludicrous the situation is.
Anyway great comments iiago, I really enjoyed reading that one!
Ok, i'm going to keep this as brief as possible.
1 - How can you critise what you don't know?
2 - Do you really expect the PS3 to live up to its Specs? if you do, how can you tell us we eat too many Giant mushrooms, ( and you don't even have a signature person DO YOU? )
3 - FI YUO SP34K LYK D1Z G3T OFFF THA W3BSYT, for those of you that have encounted such dissapointing grammar on the boards, i hope i have furthered your point to get them removed from the internet, or speaking the actual english language. there is a place for words like that - PERSONALISED LICENCE PLATES...
4 - Nintendo Revolution, it looks pretty good, and when i say looks, I MEAN looks.
Because -
A) there is no specs really and -
B) I don't wish to talk about the specifications anyway as that is not the subject argument on the paragraph i am currently talking about.
5 - I may be a nintendo fanboy, but i DO own a PS2, as well as my gamecube, but i play my laptop A hell of alot more.
6 - Does anyone know what the blue line is? because i doubt thats Giant bluetooth, or the CD slot.
7 - EA, they are pretty much the Biggest 3rd party developer currently avaliable, also making a big splash on the Pc market, with titles such as the Sims 2, and BF: 1942, and why oh why, would they stop producing games for all consoles, and only prduce for the X360 and the PS3, i seriously doubt that the worlds biggest 3rd party developer would miss out on the extra cash, especially as its supposed to be cheap to develop for the revolution.
8 - Nintendo are being secret for a VERY good reason,
A) They're waiting until PS3, and X360 Are out of the stable, so they can make you trade them back in again.
B) That way, they can't re-manufacture their stuff.. look at all the ideas JACKED from Nintendo...
A - Shoulder buttons
B - Analog Sticks
C - The very DESIGN of where the buttons are placed...
( And i think there are more )
So when we all have a revolution, and maybe even holographic controllers, and the PS3's and X360's are not even accepted for trade in anymore..... well, all i have to say to you is - REMEMBER THIS DAY.
- Thanks to everyone who contributed and made me, help other people see the light..
The reason i didn't mention anyone is purely because i forgot.
Ok, i'm going to keep this as brief as possible.
1 - How can you critise what you don't know?
2 - Do you really expect the PS3 to live up to its Specs? if you do, how can you tell us we eat too many Giant mushrooms, ( and you don't even have a signature person DO YOU? )
3 - FI YUO SP34K LYK D1Z G3T OFFF THA W3BSYT, for those of you that have encounted such dissapointing grammar on the boards, i hope i have furthered your point to get them removed from the internet, or speaking the actual english language. there is a place for words like that - PERSONALISED LICENCE PLATES...
4 - Nintendo Revolution, it looks pretty good, and when i say looks, I MEAN looks.
Because -
A) there is no specs really and -
B) I don't wish to talk about the specifications anyway as that is not the subject argument on the paragraph i am currently talking about.
5 - I may be a nintendo fanboy, but i DO own a PS2, as well as my gamecube, but i play my laptop A hell of alot more.
6 - Does anyone know what the blue line is? because i doubt thats Giant bluetooth, or the CD slot.
7 - EA, they are pretty much the Biggest 3rd party developer currently avaliable, also making a big splash on the Pc market, with titles such as the Sims 2, and BF: 1942, and why oh why, would they stop producing games for all consoles, and only prduce for the X360 and the PS3, i seriously doubt that the worlds biggest 3rd party developer would miss out on the extra cash, especially as its supposed to be cheap to develop for the revolution.
8 - Nintendo are being secret for a VERY good reason,
A) They're waiting until PS3, and X360 Are out of the stable, so they can make you trade them back in again.
B) That way, they can't re-manufacture their stuff.. look at all the ideas JACKED from Nintendo...
A - Shoulder buttons
B - Analog Sticks
C - The very DESIGN of where the buttons are placed...
( And i think there are more )
So when we all have a revolution, and maybe even holographic controllers, and the PS3's and X360's are not even accepted for trade in anymore..... well, all i have to say to you is - REMEMBER THIS DAY.
- Thanks to everyone who contributed and made me, help other people see the light..
The reason i didn't mention anyone is purely because i forgot.
I've got some things to say and I'll really try to make it brief! I used to be a BIG on Sony, but recently they've pissed me off! They may indeed be #1, but what a game poser company they are! They contradict themselve left and right! I've never heard the words graphics and power mentioned so much that I'm starting despise it. Sony said @ E3 the future of gaming is not just in power, but yet power is all they've talked about for PS3, it's about innovation they say! First of all as though they didn't take the words right out of Nintendo's mouth. Sony those unoriginal bitting bastards! Then they say the PS3 will interact with the PSP! Wow, will they stop @ nothing to steal everything Nintendo does! And said it like it's never been done before!
If I recall Nintendo made the Gamecube and GBA interact already, and announced the same features for Revolution and DS! Wouldn't you know Sony gets on TV today saying PSP and PS3 will connect. I don't blame Nintendo for being greedy about revolution detials. Hell, didn't Sony already get sued once this year for ideal theft and patient design theft! I hope they don't find out about DSpeak "let DS owners voice message and talk wi-fi to each other!" I agree w/ Gamerheaven on one thing I'm glad Nintendo is doing thier own thing, regardless of some stupid industry popularity contest! Sony is always trying to be everything to everyone, and have turned to gaming industry to casual fashion show! I used to have a PS2, back when it first came out the better graphics, you could play DVD and CD's that was kinda cool, but what's with this obsession now to get one of everything in your home in squeezed into your GAMING, I REPEAT GAMING CONSOLE! It's getting out of hand, and stupid. I guess Sony says "Whatever it take to get everyone to buy our products"! Look @ the PSP! It's got awesome graphics! It's a mp3 player, It plays movies that we try to sell you in our UMD Sony only format! It can be hacked to be an remote for your i-tunes. Who cares? At the end of the day there is still more DS and GBA SP's in peoples hands than PSP's, and with the Micro on it's way that market is cornered. Back to contradictions some were downing the GB Micro. Why? Saying it's just a rehash of GBA.....so!
Look @ Sony! PS2...PStwo...PSP....there all the same DAMN thing just smaller and smaller! Once agian Sony and Sony fans contradict themselves! Even more the games they offer on PSP are games I beat on PS2 1-2yrs ago anyways just on a smaller screen and horrible battery life...WOW I'm impressed! Sony has brought people who aren't even REAL gamers into the market strictly off popular appeal. Look @ how everyone describes PSP...sleek...sexy. This has what to do with gaming? Nobody what an ugly system, but sometimes it rarely ever seems like Sony actually cares about GAMING! Third contradiction...Nintendo needs to change it approach! Why? So they can have 1billion horrible GTA knockoffs on thier console! Or maybe 2,000 Halo what-a-be 1st person flops! No, I got it more hack and slash Devil May Cry boredom clones! Now don't get me wrong I like GTA,DMC, and Halo. What I mean is that once a genre is a hit, Sony let's any and every spinn off or whatabe half ass clone jump on your beloved console and it made me sick! I was wondering why I had all these GTA,1st person shooter, hack slash games and I was still bored? I figured it out....IT'S BEEN DONE TO DEATH ON THE PS2 with a bunch of sucky clones! It scares me to already sees nearly 10 1st person shooters on the nex gens already!
I aready had a gamecube too recently bought, and I went and bought a DS, and I was like this is it! This is what I've been looking for alot of the games at first were just simple, but fun TRUELY innovative a breath of fresh air. Sense every genre on PS2 has been done to death. I sold my PS2, and returned to my first love NINTENDO! I don't regret it at all! I wish I sold my PS2 earlier! When I first started yawning. N may not have the biggest library but the quality of titles are so rich! SOny DOESN'T make good games...3rd PARTY DEVELOPERS make good games for Sony. Sony itself sucks, 989 studios proved that! If Sony every lost it's 3rd party it surely die! Which will eventually happen! No one is number 1 forever! Look at nintendo, atari, sega. Only thing different about Nintendo and makes them able to survive without being number 1 were sega and atari failed is that the nintendo franchises are strong enough to hold their own, Gamecube proved that! N's been the game for over 22yrs, if they were going to die it would have happened by now! They just won't be number 1, but I don't care i don't play games to fit in a social crowd. Another lie from Sony is how many times more the PS3 is than PS2, yeah I also recall a time when SOny said the PS2 was going to be 10,000x the power of PS1, literally! I just think Nintendo is being realistic and what's that word SOny has a problem with....honest. Nintendo said today the Revolution will be just as stunning as XBOX 360 and PS3! The real only reason their so big is because they have removable hard drives and gadgets ports, don't believe me? Look how small the PS2/two got when they removed the hard drive slot! Without the hard drive I can completely see the Revolution being as small as it is. Nintendo may not have spoke alot about Revolution, but with Sony jaking ideas all around I don't blame them. Probably the same reason they want to release Revolution @ the same time or a little after PS3. So I get to play download contra one second and killer instint the next, plus play RE4 and the NEW Zelda, and all my Revolution titles and DS interacts as well! I don't need a billion detials right now! I've heard enough to keep drooling till Revolution comes, plus I can rest esure it won't kill my pocket. Plus we'll got plenty of the other 3rd party game makers we love too! Just scroll to the top and check out all the great 3rd party developers w/ the Revolution, I don't think so many great parties would sign w/ nintendo if they thought it was risky! Last but not least people, Sony talked so much crap about Nintendo...which is okay! But it's funny that with all the nex-gen games and graphics hype at E3...ZELDA is still the most beautiful and talked about, and raved, game at the show so far! With all the talk about N be kiddie that's actually few titles I've got Splinter Cell CT, Soul Calibur 2, Metriod prime 2, MK decep, Madden, NCAA football, all the Resident Evils, and MGS twin snakes, and w/ Killer 7, and Geist on the way Nintendo can't be that kiddie it's all about which games you choose to buy, but even the deepest Sony fan knows he wants to play Mario Sunshine!
When I scanned my way down that last loooong comment (as it turned out to be one), I thought my browser had memory overflow and was playing random ASCII tricks on me.
I have owned alot of the main systems over the years. You know, the ones regular people buy (NES, Genesis, SNES, PSX, N64) and the only one of these current systems I bought was PS2.. except i bought it THREE GOD DAMN TIMES!!! I don't play a ton of games, just the RPGs I usually like and EA sports games, so basically PS2 had Final Fantasy and Suikoden and it had Madden and MVP Baseball, so that was the system to get. Big F'ing mistake. I loved FFX a whole lot, but PS2 was a pile of garbage and now Sony wants to charge over $400 bucks for this new system and encourage everyone to buy one of their nice HDTVs for a pretty penny? After I shelled out all the money on the last one? Yeah right. I should have gotten a GameCube. I don't know why I didn't. I still have my N64 and still play WWF No Mercy (best wrestling game ever). I never really played XBox at all except for Halo a few times, so I won't really kill that system and the new 360 looks like it will be alright, but I don't think its going to offer anything so amazingly different from Revolution and that will make the extra $100 bucks you know its gonna cost worth it, for me anyway. I want to play so videogames, thats it and that's all. I'd be nice if Square just moved the FF series back to Nintendo, but they probably won't. But I don't know if FF is going to be enough this time around to make me buy Sony again.
(r) be advised square is working on two FF games for Revolution!
nintendo is making a good idea on keeping things secret cause they will just still everones attention and have all the spot light when they show what they really got!
Re: Pst 135 (I know this is really late, but I gotta say it) I don't know who lead you to believe that Nintendo is broke, they actually make the most per game/system sold out of any of the big-3. I'll agree that PS3 will be graphically more powerfull than Revolution (Look at Killing Day for instance) but, and I'm not just saying this as a Nintendo fanboy (which I admitedly am), I think that gameplay is more important than graphics. That isn't to say that graphics don't help (They certainly do!) but I think that Nintendo's new machine will be in the neighborhood of Xbox360's gpu, and at that point (hell even now, just look at RE4) better graphics are just a cool gimmic. We have reached the point where better graphics aren't needed to help immerse us in the game world. Sorry this is so late in the game, just had to make my point :)
Here's the deal - no one has actually used the system yet so as for the specs, "Napoleon, like anyone can even know that."
Revolution is the best because it is so small that I can fit it into my pussy and hit the auto eject button and so it works a really hot looking vibrator. Then afterwards I can massage it between my huge double D cup breasts that are bigger than my head!
I think Nintendo is creating just as much hype by not telling us anything, and they get to hold on and intruduce their "revolution" without the competition stealing they're innovations again. Most of the gamers are all caught up in the hype and they think Nintendo is last and dying. Sure, in North American they're ranked 3rd in sales, but they top two in the world for both hardware AND game development. Plus they totally OWN the portable market. They have Trademark character frachises and all the competition does it pump out the same thing over and over.
Nintendo always profits, whether they're 1st, 2nd or 3rd. As long as they profit, they'll be around. Really guys, try to think about the day no one buys anything Nintendo anymore.
Are you mistaking the Revolution for the PS3 dildo, err...I mean PS3 controller.