Kutaragi confirms PS3 HDD will be add-on, and will run Linux
posted June 9th 2005 7:00PM
So we heard grumblings of this last week, and now
we've got it straight from the Kutaragi's mouth, plus a few other interesting details. The
PlayStation 3 won't be coming
with an internal hard drive, because "no matter how much [capacity] we put in it, it won't be enough." Glossing over
for the moment the curious logic of imagining zero capacity is somehow better than "not enough," we move on to the news
that there will likely be at least several add-on HDD options available, both locally in a 2.5-inch drive bay and in
the form of some sort of network drive. Furthermore, the (optional/add-on yet curiously mandatory) hard drive will run
some sort of operating system, which will likely be Linux by default — but Kutaragi envisions other operating systems
running on top of the Cell kernel as applications: "other PC operating systems can run too, such as Windows and Tiger,
if the publishers want to do so." Remember back when the PS3 moved out of the class of game consoles and into the class
of entertainment machines? Well, now it's a full-blown
supercomputer. A supercomputer running multiple OSes… on an optional hard drive? Commence head
scratching…
[Thanks, anonymous]
we shoudl not forget that ibm is going to have a talk about running linux on cell in the near future. and they are testing the use of cell in blade-server setups.
basicly i dont see the problem here. if one can say hook up a of the shelf scanner and printer to the ps3 and get them to work under the linux os booting off the drive then presto you have a home system that not only can be used for basic home computer tasks (you know, web surfing, mail, some text and spreadsheets, im) and allso will be a kickass gaming machine (the moment you reboot the system with a game in the bluray drive).
with no hard drive, the ps3 will have a cheaper price tag and still have the full game power. this is a marketing strategy to sell more ps3 in the first months.
when kutagari says that 120 gb is not enough it's because some poeple will also use their ps3 as an media center and will store all their music and video (hd) in it and quickly reach that limit.
what i need on my ps3, it's the ability to use a share drive of my win xp computer over wi-fi so with no extra money i'll anyway have a hard drive.
> Anyways isn't the Xbox 360 HD optional also?
No, it isn't... it's a critical part of the business plan.
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burch, as you said, you're no chip expert... check out the Ars Technica article about the 360 processors, here's a quote that should get xbox and ps3 fan bois feeling a little funny inside...
"At any rate, Playstation 3 fanboys shouldn't get all flush over the idea that the Xenon will struggle on non-graphics code. However bad off Xenon will be in that department, the PS3's Cell will probably be worse. The Cell has only one PPE to the Xenon's three, which means that developers will have to cram all their game control, AI, and physics code into at most two threads that are sharing a very narrow execution core with no instruction window. (Don't bother suggesting that the PS3 can use its SPEs for branch-intensive code, because the SPEs lack branch prediction entirely.) Furthermore, the PS3's L2 is only 512K, which is half the size of the Xenon's L2. So the PS3 doesn't get much help with branches in the cache department. In short, the PS3 may fare a bit worse than the Xenon on non-graphics code, but on the upside it will probably fare a bit better on graphics code because of the seven SPEs."
Here's the link to the conclusion page... the rest of the article is pretty hard core. Bascially tho, each box is a graphics powerhouse and neither is set up to do everything else very well. The 360 beats the ps3 in the 'everything else' category, but not by much.
http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/cpu/xbox360-2.ars/7
I can't wait to see the launch prices.
wow... the console wars are crazy than ever now that alot of us gamers are full fledged adults... most of you will buy all 4 systems even though there's only 3 coming out! that's how hardcore you are!
but did anyone notice this post about the revolution over 20 pages back from here? i saved it... and when i went to look for it again it seemed to be gone. i wonder what you all might think... i will paste it here
23. Posted May 23, 2005, 11:12 PM ET by ???????????
Nintendo “Revolution”
-HDTV-Projector (Supports all televisions)
-3D-Projection Display technology (3D Stereoscoping, headset optional and sold separately) (All games will be supported)
-Device that rips NES, SNES, N64, & GBA games and allows full graphics customization and customizable controls and physics.
- Complete Development Tool kit that allows full use of hardware’s power. (Also works hand-in-hand with previous generation software ripper)
-Light gun signal scan technology (possibly not included in final build)
-Touch-pad controllers (Wireless, gyroscopic, allows innovative game handling and can mimic any desired control scheme)
-Wi-Fi connectivity enabled (completely free and fully realized online play)
- 5.1 Digital surround sound (final component similar to YSP-1 digital sound projector)
- 20 GB Hard Drive
- Dedicated Physics Chip
- IBM “Broadway” processor with synchronized 12-processing cores. Top clock speed: 5.2 GHz
- ATI “Hollywood” graphics chipset with dedicated dual 1.8 GHZ processing cores and up to 2 GB of dual channel SDRAM.
- Triple Dedicated AI chips
-Ability to be able to download and store NES, SNES, N64, and “Custom Games” in a and play in a virtual environment.
-600 MB GDDR3 RAM
All technology will be close together within a symbiotic architecture by a process called “marrying” which allows the hardware to absorb less power and function at an extremely faster rate. The architecture design is made by “bonding” and “marrying” Artificial Intelligence chips very close to 98% of the hardware. With the dev. Tool now included it will be the easiest console to develop for by far. The innovation in the technology was not meant to hinder or in any way leave behind a tried and true controller or “gameplay” scheme but to make it more interactive and the “water cooler” moments are represented in the whole experience and the world that you are playing in. For example: Have you ever been playing a game and stopped to see if the blades of grass were blowing independently? Now you can just blow on them to see them move!
Custom IBM “Broadway” CPU
-12 symmetrical cores running at 3.8GHz each
-8 hardware threads per core, 10 hardware threads total
-8 VMX-128 vector unit per core; 5 total
-680 VMX-128 registers per hardware thread
-5 MB L2 cache
CPU Game Math Performance
-110 billion dot product operations per second
Custom ATI “Hollywood” Graphics chipset
-dedicated dual 1.8 Ghz processing cores
-15 MB embedded DRAM
-48-way parallel floating point dynamically-scheduled shader pipelines
-Unified shader architecture
Polygon Performance
-200 billion triangles per second
Pixel fill rate
-26 gig samples per second filtrate using 4x MSAA
Shader performance
-870 billion shader operations per second
Memory
-600 MB GDDR3 RAM
-1.2 Ghz DDR
-Unified memory architecture
Memory Bandwidth
-34.2 MB/s memory interface bus bandwidth
-870 GB/s memory bandwidth to EDRAM
-62.4 GB/s front-side bus
Overall System Floating Point Performance
-43 Teraflops
Storage
-20 GB Hard Drive
-Blue-Ray disc drive
-Memory unit support starting at 64 MB
I/O
-support for 7 wireless game controllers
-support for 4 game cube controllers
-3 USB 2.0 ports
-2 memory unit slots
-slot for 512 MB of flash memory
Optimized for Online
-Wi-Fi Ready: 802.11 A, B and G
-completely free premium online service, customizable
-Built-in video camera ready
-voice activation and recognition online and offline
Digital Media Support
-Support for DVD-Video, DVD-ROM, DVD-R/RW, CD-DA, CD-ROM, CD-R, CD-RW, WMA CD, MP3 CD, BLU-RAY, HD-DVD, JPEG PHOTO CD
-Stream media from portable music devices, digital cameras, Windows Pc’s
-Rip music and games to NESVOLUTION hard drive
-custom playlists in every game
-Interactive, full screen 3D visualizes
HD projection game support
-All games supported at 16:9, 720p, 1080i, anti-aliasing
-standard-definition and high-definition three-dimensional and standard dimension video output supported
Audio
-Multichannel 5.1 surround sound output
-Supports 48KHz 16-bit audio
-400 independent decompression channels
-64-bit audio processing
-over 640 audio channels
System Orientation
-Stands vertically or horizontally
1. what's the price tag
2. what's the big deal w/linux. you can run it on xbox today along with any other tech device.
3. ken is making alot of promises/statements (running OSX...LOL). he needs to address the online gaming feature of their new machine.
4. nothing is true until it hits the shelves. there is no 360. there is no ps3. there is no revolution. there is no spoon.
Nice try, #52. I can't imagine that we're going to be paying 3000 dollars for our Nintendo Revolutions with HD Projector, though.
Very, very funny though.
jojo - I'm assuming that's a joke because those specs are BS. pretty lame. Gee, I wonder why it was deleted.
g - "what i need on my ps3, it's the ability to use a share drive of my win xp computer over wi-fi so with no extra money i'll anyway have a hard drive." ... So you need an Xbox 360?
The obvious problem with NOT having a hard drive is that developers won't develop for it ... ever. However, I'm unsure what "optional/add-on yet curiously mandatory" means in the article. IMO, it would be better to not include the hard drive, but require one for game play, than leave the hard drive as an option, so developers can bank on one being there.
If you aren't a chip engineer, don't start spouting off how the cell is better than the tri-core 360 processor. You sound like an idiot. Both procs are ridiculously powerful, and which systems looks and plays better will come down to the quality of the compilers (however, it's my guess that most crossover games will be pretty much the same on both systems). The Ars Technica articles on the procs are really good (far better than that Major Nelson article (Microsoft's marketing spin to counter Sony's marketing spin), but with some assumptions that come across as facts can be a little misleading. The problem with CPUs, is that you can't quantify how one proc is superior to another because the masses only listen for buzz words (i.e. megahertz (AMD vs Intel) and teraflops). A CPU is a complex engineering design but is only a piece of a system that has no singular term to define its performance. And in the case of consoles, where hardware is completely set-in-stone, you need to look at the entire system to guage which will be superior (my money is on the Xbox, but only slightly).
“no matter how much [capacity] we put in it, it won’t be enough.” - is poo. I love the Xboxes PC extender capabilities (stream my media PC content straight to my living room, because my wife won't let me put a PC in the living room, but I can sneak an Xbox in (although not the original because it was fugly)). My prediction as to what Ken is really saying: if we put a 2.5 hard drive in the PS3, we won't be able to come close to the Xbox 360 release price of $300, so it's going to be required but as an option to the consumer as to which size to buy, just so that we can release the crippled console at $300 w/ the mandatory purchase of memory cards/hard drive.
just read plz http://www.blachford.info/computer/Cells/Cell1.html
So I'm gonna shell out for this ... (ahem) Super Computer, and then lay some Windows Xp SP2 love on it and watch it come screaming to a halt.
Bet the vole's gonna love seeing it's labour of love running on the competitions machine, good luck getting those PS3 drivers "Digitally Signed".
Does this mean that the PS3 hardware will support DirectX?
Please somebody tell me that I'm not going to spend my time having to install my console games before I can play them, PS2 load times were bad enough.
What the Hell is Ken going on about?, is he not satisfied with verbally abusing the competition's priduct at every opportunity?
Or is all this just a way to confuse us into thinking that the Next Gen consoles are actually Next Gen, not more powerful rehashes of the Last Gen, Add-On Hard Drives? perhaps Nintendo-boy Iwata has a point, nothing new to see here but prettier graphics and better physics.
Then why am I still excited?, should games be re-classified as addictive substances?
Enough.
any1 hear that? Kutaragi gives an interesting perspective on sound and why the PS3 doesn't have a separate sound chip for doing audio. "It's obvious that we shouldn't have a sound chip. Because [the audio] is all calculated [through Cell]. Sound is not the about the number of voices, but is itself an object."
its new, its here, its the SUPER-CELL... LoL
As much as I liked his comment about being OS agnostic for the PS3 add-on, I'd like to see some proof of Sony's enlightened thinking in action first. This is the same company that rebuffed the offer Steve Jobs made with Sony co-owning the iTunes Music Store. Sony turned down the offer and instead went with its failure-of-a-store called "Connect" that only sells music in Sony's abysmal ATRAC format, meaning it only plays on Sony's own unpopular MP3 players (and other Sony hardware). Sony's music label in Japan currently is the buffer to getting the iTunes Music Store in Japan launched. Sony should stop this and actually approach Apple about sharing the iTunes Store again, and hammer out a licensing agreement so that Sony MP3 players can use the AAC+Fairplay format natively. I heard the Kevin Rose rumor that the PS3 will be iTunes 5.0 compatible and can buy tracks through the store, but it would be nice to see such cooperation in the marketplace now. The time is now. And then, maybe Jobs might relent and allow Tiger to run on the PS3 hard drive. After all, its not like the PS3 will hit Apple's sales. The PS3 will be stealing sales away from Dell and eMachines at the low-end.
nick - read the article. Old information, that's mostly purely skeptical (bad rumors). The updates are more current and debunk most of his speculation. The Ars Tecnica article on the Cell (which I think he references) is much more relevant and accurate.
A couple points worth mentioning:
1) the Cell is extremely powerful (although you won't be able to do distributed computing with your PS3 like he states) at computational operations as he states ... too bad games are only about 15% of computational operations (mostly graphics) which is why its power does NOT translate into a far more powerful console. 2 teraflops vs. 1 (PS3 vs XBox 360) does NOT equal 2x the power. If you were playing SETI, then your system would be twice as powerful.
2) the PS3 will only have 1 cell not 4 like he states, although he does correct himself in the update part (I would think he would just remove it from the original because it's on every page).
Sony fans are on crack if you buy this system, no HDD = longer load time. There are also 3rd party dev that a extremely upset that Sony will not provide a HD. If you like games like Morrowing, you better buy a 360, games like that will not show up on the PS3, I will also guarantee you that you will have to buy the HD to play any FF series this time around.
I buy GAME consoles to play games, I have 3 but for $500cnd I will not buy a bare bone PS3 and then dish out extra cash for all there little extras.
You can build a cheap PVR media centre with Linux for less then the PS3. I can't believe the shit that comes out of Sony’s mouth.
How can any one be hyped up about this system???????? I have three Linux PC’S and I never paid for Linux in my life!! Sony fan boys are on crack, take a serious look at what crap Sony is throwing at you.
nick - I didn't hear that, but he's actually correct .... for once. The audio is actually processed though the main CPU. The unfortunate result of that though is that audio requires significant branching which ideally runs on CPUs with branch predictability and with large caches. The cell has 1 core and 7 SPEs that have no branch predictability and a small cache. So, a developer can choose to run the audio through that 1 main core along with the other branch intensive code (AI, game control, etc.) and the graphics and physics through the 7 SPEs.
Problem: 85% of your code is now on 1 core (2 threads) and 15% of your code is on 7 threads.
Solution: Offload significant chunk onto the SPEs where the code will not optimally perform.
Result: Expensive solution for the similar results of a cheaper and more efficient tri-core solution, but the stat sheet looks good because you have a "CELL" processor. Too bad the financials won't look as impressive.
WOW...Such fervor, such drama.
Whoever said that this could be the end of console gaming (or conversely computer gaming) was probably right in that the line between straight consoles and multi-use home computers is definitely bluring.
Linux on the PS3 ? Um...ok...why not ? It's running on everything else. It's cool but I can't see it as anything too special since as stated, nigh EVERYTHING already runs it...
Mandatory accessory HDD ? Ploy. Business Ploy. Nothing more. Designed to keep the advertised price as low as possible so as to get the uninformed consumer into a place where they have already invested so much money that they will pay the extra so the initial expenditure (purchase price of the console) does not go to waste. Sony is far from the first to employ the strategy (probably because it works) and they will certainly not be the last.
Cell vs Triple-Proc ? As said it will come down to the implementation. Which is more powerful...a .22 or a .44 ? In a shootout which is more dangerous, a skilled veteran gunman with a .22 or Hellen Keller with a .44 ? There is NO REAL ANSWER...because they *could* kill each other (or any inocent bystander) just as dead. But it really all comes down to how the tech is used, and not the tech itself. What will happen is a function of what *could* happen, not the other way around. So we WILL just have to see how both consoles develop in the comming years...
Console Multimedia Abilities ? Again, everything is converging these days. As we all build our 'digital paradises' in our bedrooms and living rooms there is increasingly more overlap. So I agree that for many, some of these side features are overlap because that function is covered by dedicated or superior hardware we've already purchased. But on the other hand it's good for backup, and some people might actually desire the *simplicity* of having one consumer oriented device to do EVERYTHING. I was researching the Dreamcast's broadband add on the other day, and one of the ebay adds mentioned using your DC basicaly as a portable computer if you don't have a laptop. I had never really thought about it, but it kinda made sense. Gaming, internet access (via dial-up), VCD/CD(/and later MP3) playback all in your hotel room. Not bad (for the time and price). With laptops used+new being so cheap these days you probably can get one easily enough, but it is ONE reason why having all these functions in one sub $500 price is nice.
A 'Supercomputer' ? No. Not this gen anyway. When the PS(0-X) starts hurting Vaio sales...THEN they will have a supercomputer, but not yet. Consoles might do most everything that a desktop PC does, but the closed nature of their hardware means it will be a long time before consoles come close to displacing my homebrew PCs. You can change/customize/upgrade your PC as often as you like and can afford to. At this point, consoles are still rather limited in the hardware you can add or change (ironically enough at least with the DC you could upgrade the graphics card. I don't know if this was ever an option with any other console. Feel free to enlighten me though if you wish). True, with boot disks and emulators you can in some instances circumvent the need for different hardware, but if you want to add power...wait 5+ years and buy a new console (and probably a lot of the accessories will need to be purchased anew as well).
These are not strikes against consoles. Just reasons why IMHO consoles are going to remain consoles for a few more gens...
But all this said, why is anyone unhappy ? Why all the griping and bickering ? First, these machines are not necessities...computer/console whatever...ultimately they're TOYS. Nothing to get upset about. Second, you can buy *both* and have it all if it's that freakin' important to you. If you are not monied, do what I do, wait a few years and buy the stuff used. I had the old DC out the other night and was amazed how much fun it still is. A trip through ebay shows even the rare accessories (BB adapter) are still pretty easy to get. Games are $10 or less.
All of us in here are gadget freaks, we love our toys! But why get our collective panties in a twist about what *other* people are craving/wanting/buying/building ? It's the new generation comming people! And that means new toys for all of us. Such diversification of development paths and strategies just means most everyone will be able to have what they want.
So just sit back, chill out and watch what happens...
...cause in 5 - 7 years we're gonna do all this again anyway... :)
Peace!
Just some documents for those interested to read...
www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/library/pa-expert1.html#N10269
www.research.ibm.com/cell/
www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/library/pa-nl3-calendar/
www-306.ibm.com/chips/techlib/techlib.nsf/techdocs/D9439D04EA9B080B87256FC00075CC2D
I'll have to say that the Cell will probably prove all the naysayers wrong when it comes out.
One of the reasons that one SPU/SPE is reserved is probably for DRM purposes.
Think of Cell like a cluster of computers with a single Control node handling all the instructions. Think of data and programs that are catered for this processing. The compiler is the key to success for the Cell.
Think of xBox2 as a single SMP system. Think of this processing like off-the-shelf software running on a kickass processor.
Who knows maybe multiple PS3s can be connected together in a cluster configuration.
On a sidenote, Power5+, Power6 and Power7 is going to kick ass, and AIX rocks.
:)
WOW, sony has really lost it's focus. They are really trying to make this thing the be all and end all to everything. I just don't see how they can do it successfully. Remember the surest way to failure is to try to please everybody all the time. That seems to be what sony is trying to do. I think sony is desperate because they are losing money on just about everything else. Sony makes fabulous hardware but chooses to cripple everything they make with propriotary formats such as atrac, md, and memory sticks no wonder they are losing money.
This must be the new wave of marketing... offer a system that does not come with a "part", but in order to use it you must buy the "part" on top of the cash you are going to spend with the console...
Saran -
The Cell is a phenomenal technology, but it's a technology that doesn't work well with games. If you're doing SETI, it's great, because you can just keep spawning threads as more Cell SPEs become available to do computational processing. Games are NOT computational processing; you can't just spawn threads at will to do computing. Your PS3 can NOT piggy any other machine with a cell processor due to network latency issues.
The Xbox 360 is like a 3 processor machine, but actually better because you don't have the heat problems, and more importantly, the cache is shared.
I fail to see how a single core Cell is better than the tri-core 360 chip for games. I think any developer would agree with me, unless of course they are being paid by Sony.
"One of the reasons that one SPU/SPE is reserved is probably for DRM purposes." - I am unclear as to how disaster recovery is a benefit in a game console.
"Who knows maybe multiple PS3s can be connected together in a cluster configuration." - Again, please reference the latency issue above as well as the coding impracticality of it. I have a difficult time envisioning how a game is going to utilize over 1/2 of the 7 SPEs 100%, let alone all 7 at once even 10% of the time. From my experience, you need branching prediction and large caches (actual cores) to write effective and efficient game code, not dumb number crunchers like the SPEs of Cell technology.
I know providing a hard drive to utilize would be a significant advantage and far more useful than the possibility of utilizing other Cell SPEs. Again, if it's not out of the box, it won't get developed for.
Sony,
Thanks for once again making our goal to be number one in the gaming industry easier. All the hype without ever delivering was one thing, but this is just great! Thanks also for not even attempting to compete with our online service, dominating that market couldn't have been easier.
Mr. Kutaragi, I would like to personally thank you for your verbal attacks on our console. This shows us that you are fearful that the system that makes up over 55% of your companys net income, is gonna continue to lose even more market share than it already has. How about delivering on your promises to the fans of your console as we have? How about actually delivering on an ounce of the hype you speak of regarding the upcoming PS3? For that matter, I hear some PS2 fans are still waiting for the Emotion Engine to deliver 1/3 of what you guys said it would? I can only imagine the PS3 will go the same route. Long story short, we will be number one in this market soon. We have played fair up to this point and continue to climb in market share. However as a friendly warning, if you don't watch your comments, we will just buy the industry and then you will have nothing to worry about.
In closing, you may have pulled the wool over your fanboys eyes at e3 while running pure CG while we were running actual in game footage. Forget the fact that the graphics of our games running and playable on the e3 floor, were similar to the best your next hype machine will ever produce, forget that. What you need to keep in mind is that those were only Alpha kits running at just 30% of the power of our next console. I'll also remind you that graphics don't make the games, game play does. At any rate, just wanted to drop a big thank you for all you're doing to continue to screw your fanbase over.
Sincerely,
Microsoft Xbox Division
PS. During the next 5-10 years as we take over number one in market share, it will be very painful for you to watch. We at MS want you to know we understand this and you will not be the first we've done this to. As a parting gift from 1st place, I'm including a free Xbox 360 and our full line up of titles! Feel free to enjoy all the new Xbox Live features as well. Perhaps while you're enjoying XBL you could apologize to the loads of gamers that would have been playing your system had you delivered on the hype!
Sony,
Thanks for once again making our goal to be number one in the gaming industry easier. All the hype without ever delivering was one thing, but this is just great! Thanks also for not even attempting to compete with our online service, dominating that market couldn't have been easier.
Mr. Kutaragi, I would like to personally thank you for your verbal attacks on our console. This shows us that you are fearful that the system that makes up over 55% of your companys net income, is gonna continue to lose even more market share than it already has. How about delivering on your promises to the fans of your console as we have? How about actually delivering on an ounce of the hype you speak of regarding the upcoming PS3? For that matter, I hear some PS2 fans are still waiting for the Emotion Engine to deliver 1/3 of what you guys said it would? I can only imagine the PS3 will go the same route. Long story short, we will be number one in this market soon. We have played fair up to this point and continue to climb in market share. However as a friendly warning, if you don't watch your comments, we will just buy the industry and then you will have nothing to worry about.
In closing, you may have pulled the wool over your fanboys eyes at e3 while running pure CG while we were running actual in game footage. Forget the fact that the graphics of our games running and playable on the e3 floor, were similar to the best your next hype machine will ever produce, forget that. What you need to keep in mind is that those were only Alpha kits running at just 30% of the power of our next console. I'll also remind you that graphics don't make the games, game play does. At any rate, just wanted to drop a big thank you for all you're doing to continue to screw your fanbase over.
Sincerely,
Microsoft Xbox Division
PS. During the next 5-10 years as we take over number one in market share, it will be very painful for you to watch. We at MS want you to know we understand this and you will not be the first we've done this to. As a parting gift from 1st place, I'm including a free Xbox 360 and our full line up of titles! Feel free to enjoy all the new Xbox Live features as well. Perhaps while you're enjoying XBL you could apologize to the loads of gamers that would have been playing your system had you delivered on the hype!
PS3 is now even more of a computer than 360 will ever be! I'm more interested in an all-purpose computer/entertainment machine... and frankly, the 360 can't do half of what the PS3 will be able to do.
All bow to the power of the PS3! XD
Did you even see the press confrerence for Xbox 360? They showed what the system will be able to do. You can browse and buy music, watch TV recordings, Play a DVD, and if a friend from Xbox live sends in invite you can immediately accept and play.
I haven't seen a whole video from the sony press conference, I just saw clips of their CG trailers and photos of their power point presentations. Great, the PS3 can forcast my company's fiscal earnings and profits. they haven't shown a loading screen if you haven't noticed (no load times?!).
WOW. Xbox fanboys, stop being ignorant and ps fanboys need to stop being so confident.
All you people need to stop dwelling on the past and look towards the future. times change guys. Linux could be a huge success this time around. but no one knows for sure.
i think we all just need to stop being so "shutdown the other system" happy, go get as much facts as we can, and then post them after your sure of something. dont just make stupid un-real comments about how inferier the other system is to yours. to the people who know your wrong it makes you sound like a complete idiot. and to the people who dont know yet that your wrong, soon they will find out... and then yourll look like a complete idiot
I would like a cheap, stable, fast computer that does most everything.
As any fule kno, the XBOX was a scuttled PC becuase M$ have a vested interest in the PC market. The 360 is a scuttled PC with a very nice processor, becuase M$ have a vested interest in the PC market
The thing is, PC architecture has been the same for a couple of decades, and right now, it's just bad design. Any serious advances in design are most likely to come from the console market.
I just don't know if the PS3 will be that serious advance.
If the OS that comes with the PS3 can't access the SPEs, then it's another scuttled PC. If it does, then copy protecting games is much more difficult.
Exporting as a computer, and donating code about the intarweb are good signs.
The prop. blu-ray and hard drives are a bad sign. (greedy b******ds).
Whatever, I would have thought that in this competative environment, you might as well take a pop at the PC as soon as you can. I know sony like to play the long game, but how much did Ford make on the model T?
So what I'm hearing a lot of is:
Because X didn't happen before, X will never happen?
I don't even want to begin with the logical fallacy of that statement. I mean to take the Sony failed in delivering once argument to another point, people believed that a woman was going to be elected president by the 1960s in the 50s. It never happened, so thus it's pointless to look for a female president in the future.
Personally, I'm kind of routing for anyone other than Microsoft. I personally find the games they have... well, boring. I don't like sports games. I don't like shooting things in the head. I want roleplaying games or party games, or weird fun games about rolling balls and sticking objects to them. I want things that innovate, things that are quirky and fun, not Dead or Alive or Halo.
Microsoft isn't exactly a company of innovation. It's not really too much of a problem to call them anti-innovation. If they dominate the game industry, I can pretty much promise you that the game industry will proceed to stagnate as they flood the market with stuff that's tried and true, averse to trying out experimental things here and there.
Sony is kind of the golden mean with this. Love them or hate them, the Eye Toy, bringing over games such as Katamari Damancy, the dance dance pads, the Taiko drums and Karaoke microphone show that they're more aware than Microsoft that gamers want variety and to try something new. You can have your eighty million shooting games, and Madden-I've-been-dead-for-eighty-years-and-they're-still-using-my-name and keep in the more playful things. A lot of gamers seem to hate these sorts of games because they deem them "juvenile" and dislike systems that proport them for "dumbing down video games."
Which is weird coming from people who are playing glorified cops and robbers on their computers.
Nintendo comes hard from the games are fun camp, and if a genie came in and gave me three wishes that all had to deal with video game companies (I don't know, very specialized genie I suppose) I would wish that Nintendo comes out ahead in this next bout. Without Nintendo pushing the bar for what to do, what games are fun, and not being concerned about other companies... well, we lose a lot. My little sisters personally are routing for the Revolution because "It's not a boy system" and I've heard a lot from other female gamers.
When you're considering what game systems to buy, don't just consider the games--think about what it's going to do to the game market. Nintendo's games will definitely push towards a more gamer oriented market, and Microsoft winning will pull away to a very stablized and less experimental.
If for no other reason, supporting Sony means a firm stance against Microsoft re-creating the tragedy that befell the Atari 2600 when people just ceased to care about games anymore.
I'm willing to shell out 500 bucks for that.
Le'Gasp, what? Sony rolling back yet more features on their next Playstation?! No!! This has *never* happened before(PS, PS1, PS2, PSP), what a horrid shock! *Stroke*
Seriously though, expect more rollbacks, that's what Sony does, hypes it up the arse with pipe dreams, and once the fanboys are slobbering, quietly roll them back, which never makes any sort of news, no front page tech, sad. Well I'm sure it'll be a great console, I'm fascinated by how they intend to cool it, the power supply and all.
I expect the next rollback will be something more significant, I can't say I could guess at what it is, but the trend will most likely happen right up to production of the console itself, as it always has with Sony, and most likely always will.
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well I was going to get a PS3 anyway (well as soon as i can find one ;D ) but linux as well, thats a real bonus, HD is not needed anyway, just net boot of a file server. this is a living room device that I can read my email on, play games, watch movies listen to music - what else do I need. Would be nice if it uses 802.11a rather than g 5Ghz is the way to go. My brother bought a 360, and I was not that impressed sure its a bit better, but I can wait for the PS3