Hollywood + Windows Vista = 4eva
posted August 30th 2005 4:30PM
Between TPM support, integrated DRM in next-gen
optical drives and codecs (i.e. WMV HD/VC1), and, of course, our favorite,
PVP-OPM, Microsoft seems to be pulling out all the
stops when it comes to locking down their next version of Windows. And for good reason too—assuaging the
copyright-enforcement concerns of the Hollywood paranoiacs studios means big money for a company at the hilt of
The Battle For The Livingroom. According to Cnet, apparently late versions of the Vista beta will begin to feature
Windows Media playback sandboxing on the PVP end, wherein media playback data will be locked completely away from other
applications and plugins, making it all the more difficult demux, move, or otherwise transcode your content. Microsoft
is even putting into place the necessary countermeasures to aid and abet the RIAA in distributing highly copy-protected
CDs. We're not entirely sure how effective all these countermeasures are going to be by the time Vista hits the
streets, but we can definitely say it's about time the consumers let their dollars did the talking when it comes to
fair use.
[Thanks, Uy Tran]
Wow. Well, as a gamer and a hardware enthusiast, I NEVER thought I would say this, but... MAC OS HERE I COME!!!
well for those of your who are still considering whether to switch to WinVista or those of you who got hand on the beta ... i found a great online community.
http://www.winvistasecrets.com
it seems that it is one of the most active WinVista forums right now.
if you know other win vista communities pls share...
My only concern with Longhorn is the monitoring. I really would like to avoid my computer sending a message to Microsoft saying "User has exceeded illegal MP3 limit and has over 400gb of illegal movies" Something tells me that would not very be desireable...
Umm, the inherent problem with copyright protection is that it disallows felxibility. Now explain to me why people would move from a relatively flexible (in terms to software availability, and versatility) platform (windows) to a relatively in-flexible one such as Mac OS X. Flame all you want, but you can do a heck of a whole lot more with Windows XP these days than you can with Mac OS X (part of the reason XP has it's peformance problems is because of this wide user base, and vast amount of dirvers etc... that have to be supported), and that's unlikely to change. Sure there is Linux, but only the more technical savvy among us would ever consider using it as a 100% replacement for Windows. And there isn't as large a software base for it as XP.
So biatch and moan all you want, DRM is always gonna be here whether we like it or not. It's in OS X too, in fact, it'll be fully fledged in OSX86 which uses TPM to keep people from running the OS on a machine of your choice. Besides the first hacks for getting around DRM's intended for the masses tend to come out on Windows machines anyway...
In fact Apple is also a member of the blu-ray consortium, a medium that uses far more DRM techniques than HD-DVD which Microsoft supports. So I don't quite see how Microsoft is pushing huge DRM increases in the optical market as compared to Apple.
Engadget really needs to stop riding the whole "M$" mentality, it's retarded. Try to think of things more objectively, Apple isn't God after all.
I see no reason to upgrade to Vista. What new features does it have? The stuff is being backported to XP anyway, and not being shipped with vista. And to all of you saying to get a Mac to avoid DRM: Have you noticed the head of apple is also a head of a major movie maker? Apple currently has the worst drm, in two ways. It's easily cracked, unlike Microsoft's. Plus, it's very propietary. Exploiting the near monopoly they have on iPods, they make their DRM avalible only to itunes and the ipod.
In a few years we'll all be laughing at this thread for one reason: the country making the hardware Vista runs on will be the same country that will sell us all our cracking hardware. If Microsoft chooses to go a hardware route for encryption, guess who will be supplying the hardware workarounds - Chinese hardware manufacturers.
China has no interest in letting the U.S. of A continue to dominate the world's desktop.
And China - the largest PIRACY country on the planet - will play along laughing all the way. Selling Vista-encrypted hardware crap, then selling us the workarounds over the 'Net.
Good luck Microsoft changing a billion strong culture of piracy. And you think Americans are the problem!
I am not interested in superprotecting media files like that at all. If this becomes some sort of mandatory upgrade, look for me to do the almost unthinkable and get familiar with Linux or something. This is nuts, if true. Smooth integration is one thing, but forced integration? Not for me. I'm a legal user of my media and suchlike and I don;t want the restraints to only windows based stuff.
Well the only way I'll install that is if I am forced to and then it will dual boot with XP x64, no way is that ever going to become my primary system.
But the flaw is still that fatal DRM flaw.. the attacker is also the recipient of the key.
Yeah, I see alot of people who say "this will never work" but re-read what OddManOut wrote. That is the reality people! If you who read engadget were the voice of the majority, the governement would've stepped in long ago to stop the bulling of its citizens by RIIA. Anyway, the point is, you are the minority and, besides whinning on message boards, in general you do nothing to actually enact change.
The masses is who buys Windows in the consumer market. Those idiots are the ones who will shell out whatever MS charges for Vistas keeping MS's bottom line intact. Lets be honest here, how many of the people reading Engadget actually use full legal copies of Windows on *all* their computers? I would guess less than half. Because its just too expensive to buy lisences for every computer in your home (I have 11) when you have alternative options. I.E. that makes Engadget's audience not MS's primary customer (in the consumer market anyway).
one of my computers has MCE, since I thought running mythTV on linux didnt exactly seem family frendly...
but I guess it will be my very last windows... OSX or linux, hopefully I'll make the jump soon enough.
I will make the jump to Linux as soon as all new games start comming out for Linux.
Consumer power will prevail. In some countries government administrations start working open source, also many SME's are now switching to linux and others. Schools are now teaching Linux to their students. If pro's and nerds have chosen other OS's than Windows, the end of Windows is near.
Nobody will buy a car if it is limited at 110 kph (of 70 mph). Even if you never drive faster.
Microsoft and Apple are both aiming to be in good with the MPAA and RIAA by pretty much doing anything to appease their concerns about piracy. Will i run Vista? Hell yea, especially the Media Center edition. They can distribute highly protected CDs, I don't get them anyway. They want to lock away PVR'd shows from other apps, fine again as long as I can watch them when I want I don't need to record. Besides you guys honestly believe this stuff won't be hacked.
That's it then; Windows XP is probably the last operating system from Microsoft I'll ever buy. Next time I change OS, I'm changing to Linux.
"My only concern with Longhorn is the monitoring. I really would like to avoid my computer sending a message to Microsoft saying "User has exceeded illegal MP3 limit and has over 400gb of illegal movies" Something tells me that would not very be desireable..."
I'm not up on this new monitoring feature so perhaps someone can explain if or why it can't be thwarted by firewall manipulation ?
Seems like all you'd need to do is install windows, sniff your traffic for a while until you figure out where the monitoring packets are being sent and then block that on your firewall And of course I mean the HARDWARE firewall on your BB router, not the built in windows one which probably wouldn't be so kind as to allow such. Since routers are so cheap these days ($9 on sale at Fry's...easily around $20 online) even if you only use one machine you could add one purely for the firewall.
Is there any reason that won't work ? Perhaps Windows requires a response from MS ? They plan to use so many servers your blocked list would be a mile long ? The server names are spoofed and constantly rotating ?
Anyone ?
About 9 million people have said "I'm going to switch to OSX to escape this!"
But since when has Apple been the bastion of freedom and fair use? Anyone bought anything off the ITMS lately? If I recall, each release of iTunes has included DRM that's harder and harder to strip off.
Everyone likes to rag on MS (not saying that it's not ALL undeserved), but they're not the only ones kissing the ass of "the industry."
mmm the new one...I'll stick with my xp pro
perhaps this is the best time for mac to come in with tiger os x and steal the show. they offer a super-stable os and awesome integratability with all of their products. i know that i would rather choose that then some poor-thought-out operating system that microsoft puts out...
Steve Ballmer, I spit in your face.
just use linux.
Wow. Well, as a gamer and a hardware enthusiast, I NEVER thought I would say this, but... MAC OS HERE I COME!