How to fix your overheating 360
posted Nov 25th 2005 10:00AM
Sure, if your Xbox 360 is crashing you could call up
Microsoft tech support and get your new toy repaired or replaced — or you could take design flaws matters into
your own hands and source out the root of the problem. And according to one Gamespot forumsgoer, apparently what's
causing these overheating Xbox 360 crashes isn't the Xbox itself, but rather that monstrous power supply. So what's a
gamer to do? Increase the airflow over the thing by getting it up off the floor, and suspending it in the air with
string — or if you're not feeling like making a trapeze act out out of the thing, stick it on an open box so it can
better emanate heat. Apparently this has been doing some good, but hey, remember that if it can't sit on the ground as
intended, it's defective, so make sure you call 'em up and get it sorted!
[Via Xbox 360 Fanboy]
" suspending it in the air with string" ? your gonna need more than string to lift that thing its huge. mines is working fine
"suspending it in the air with string"
--> That's sooooo funny!! HAHAHA!
It's kinda funny that _this_ is the 360 launch story -> it overheats!
It was on local radio, tv, everywhere. Not how great the games are, not how much fun, just... it's expensive and overheats. D'oh!
id recommend suspending it with http://www.gripple.com
use 20 lb test fishing line, that won't break under the humongus brick of the X360's.
Suspend it from your finger directly above the waste can and then let go.
Looks as if the power supply problem could be do do with the Mysterons (Captain Scarlet TV) the white light ring is a dead give away
"or if you’re not feeling like making a trapeze act out out of the thing, stick it on an open box so it can better emanate heat"
Yeah, if that power supply is overheating, put it on top of something flammable!
Why not skip the string and tie a rope around your neck instead for being such a jackoff by cramming it into your entertainment center and throwing the adapter into the tangled hell of wires behind your TV set.
But if you actually have it VENTILATED and it still overheats,my condolences. Mine works absolutely flawless.
i dunked my power supply in a bowl of grease.
It keeps the entire thing cool and doesn’t short out
i luv my 360!!!!
A dude named Jobs deemed smart to move from PowerPC to Intel. The whole explanation at the time? Better perfomance per watt...
This whole business is taking such an ironic turn.
BTW: i'm no fanboy/basher and wish the best to those who are frustrated, whether it's with buggy MSFT, DRM'ed SONY or scratched AAPL products.
Why not just throw it in teh trash?
Its funny because all this time xbox people have been saying the ps3 wil overheat cause it has no ventilation... lol
Whos got teh grill now?
Mine hasn't seriously crashed. It did freeze up once when I was in hit the dashboard button during a game and zipped through the menus real fast to tell it to quit the game, and once when I checked out the Windows wireless setting transfer information, but both times I was able to turn off and back on the system via the power button on the media remote.
However, I had noticed the thing was loud as hell when playing any 360 disc-based games. It's fairly quiet while playing arcade games, dvd movies, an old Xbox game, or just using the dashboard.
Last night I took it with me to play at my parents' house (nothing funnier than watching my parents race in PGR), and I noticed it never got loud. Fairly sure the difference was indeed the power supply. At home, I had the power supply laying behind the entertainment center. At their house, I had placed it on top of the entertainment center, out in the open. It never got loud, and we played it for hours and hours, trying 3 different disc-based games with no issues or excess noise.
You're all kidding me right?.....
So if some kids were to take their new laptops and put them in a 'stereo' cabinet and they overheated (which they would if they were running alot of apps), its Dell's fault?....
Come on, give your heads a shake... This is a high end computing device that anyone with half a braincell knows will generate ALOT of heat so it should be in a more open environment (NOT ON CARPETING).. Put your laptop on your carpet and see how 'hot' it gets....LOL..
All I've got to say is if the 'PS3' is SOOO much more powerful, its gonna generate a TON more heat... The only way to solve this is fans, open areas OR (as desktop pc's do - A VERY LARGE TOWER CASE - which increases the volue of air surrounding the electronics)....
Anyways, Love my 360 and it works F'n Awesome... BLOWS anything else out of the water....LOL
Just needs to NOT be sitting in a confined space... Sheeesh....LOL..
LOL @ Kevin D
notice how everything from MSFT never works... you always have to do something else to get things from this company to work. I really dont see how they are soo successful...
@ Kevin D: well, a laptop isn't designed for use on the rug or in a TV cabinet, is it? But just about every game console is going in the living room, right next to the best TV in the house, which in many cases is going to be in some sort of cabinet. And who is going to put their power supply anywhere other than the floor? And if the floor in the room containing the best TV in the house has carpeting...what are people supposed to do? Move the whole entertainment system to the porch to take advantage of a nice fall breeze?
XBOX 360 Fanboy, is this a true reader or you guys trying to be funny?
"notice how everything from MSFT never works... you always have to do something else to get things from this company to work. I really dont see how they are soo successful..."
Ignorance is really bliss, isnt it?
My xbox 360 hasn't over heated, but then again my power supply is stretched halfway across the room to reach the plug, so it's just kind of hanging there.
So, now that I have spent $400 bucks plus i need to buy a special enclosure for this pos too? And people wonder why I stick to pc games. Just another example of m$ lack of design skills. I mean, if i wanted to build and extra piece of furniture so that my 360 wouldnt overheat, but why bother? And the sad part is...i was kinda hopin the 360 wouldnt suck...so uch for that.
You guys are goddamn ridiculous..
Seriously.. "Well you shouldnt put it in an enclosed entertainment stand"
They have said its an entertainment device. Guess what every console I have ever had I put in my entertainment stand. Next year I will be putting the Revolution in my entertainment stand without worry that this will happen.
If you design something and charge 500 Canadian for it then you better have shit like this dealt with. It isnt up to ME to find some special altar for something, it is up to them to DESIGN it properly.
Dont try and pawn the design error off on people. Besides, what about the discs being ruined by the system? Faulty drive there.
When you rush something instead of doing something right you open yourself up to being flamebait. Sony screwed up with the PS2 with that (I still am pissed mine broke and I needed to buy a new one) and MS screwed up the first time with Xbox. Who remembers when it skipped entire games?
Dont call people morons for putting their Xbox in their entertainment stand or on the carpet, because that just goes to show how foolish you truly are. Maybe we need to find a place it belongs. "When playing your XBox 360, put it in the garbage can" or "When you buy a XBox 360 put it in the fireplace and light it up, you wont notice it overheating on its own that way" would seem more appropriate to you?
It's expensive, it crashes, and it overheats. Oh, and people were getting into fights to be the first ones to buy a unit, and police had to be called in.
Good Lord -- this is not good at all for the 360.
And putting the power brick across an open cardboard box to ventilate it -- clever fix, but I would think one would rather use a milk crate, instead of a cardboard box, which is likely flammable.
Hmmm, I see a possible market for 360 power brick cradles/cooling platforms made by third-party accessory companies...
I tried to suspend mine with a crane, but this is what happened...
http://www.bassfiles.net/LostMyJobToday2.jpg
Disregard Kevin D.
Dont waste your time on him.
He totally flames people if they dont like the xbox and makes no sense. Ever.
Obviously the xbox360's design should allow it to be put in an entertainment center. To say anything else is simply retarded.
I have a stereo/amplifier in my cabinet and it gets hot as hell. It never crashes and the dvd player and tivo sitting on top of it never crash either. All are fairly expensive name brand electronics that were properly designed. Any idiot knows that a console will probably end up in an entertainment center (or on the carpet in front of the TV), particularly one shaped like the 360 which totally lends itself to being stacked just like a dvd player. Get real fools. If the 360 is overheating, it has a problem. Period. Lets just hope MS gets it sorted out by christmas.
And WTF? Who would put a dell laptop in an entertainment center? Thats the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
Mine was fine the first couple days but then it started locking up last night. I have a mini fridge next to my TV that I keep soda in(er I mean beer) so I just stuck the power supply in there. The door on the fridge still closes and now it hasn't locked up once. Been jamming on PGR3 ever since. Screw you xbox haters, the faithful will find a way!
Regarding the putting of the 360 into one's entertainment system:
There are rumors that setting the 360 on its side, horizontally, may damage game discs. The drives in some of the units are bad.
With its software products, Microsoft can simply issue a patch for download. I wonder how they are going to deal with the growing number of hardware issues with the 360.
Remember when the pictures of the adapter first surfaced and everyone was saying that it doesn’t matter how big it is, it's just going behind the entertainment center. Now people are saying, why would you put it behind your entertainment center. Rationalization at its best.
I heard a report on the radio about these hardward malfunctions. Last night, I saw another report on TV about them.
Whether these issues are large or not, MS' PR has its work cut-out for them. We geeks in online gaming forums might know better, but the average person out there could very well get their initial impression from these reports.
Still, it warms my heart to see their precious launch fumbling. Arrogant bastards..
[Nelson]HAA-Ha![/Nelson]
Be sure to pick up one of these also when you buy your 360. This model should match most entertainment centers.
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=2625036
While we are all sitting around the campfire giving anecdotal "evidence", I thought I would add that none of the guys I know here at work (as in: know for real, not random people on some internet message board) have had any problems whatsoever with their 360s. Based on board warrior logic employed by the flamers here I guess that means there are no problems whatsoever with the 360.
this is exactly the kind of stuff thats was bound to happen. new tech. almost always has problems.
thank you engadget, you always find solutions.
I've found that hanging the adapter from the ceiling fan and turning it on keeps it very cool. Just stand out of the way!
M$ suckered you fools into buying this rushed piece of crap. It's not even next generation...Next generation starts next year with the PS3. This is just Xbox 1.5. Didn't you guys get the memo?
Franklin, if the 360 is standing on it's side it is positioned vertically not horizontal.
Yes Clint and next year when you buy your PS3 (and since i'm not a fanboy like you I'm buying one also) I can GUARANTEE you they're also be some defects on those first boxes so STFU. Or did you happen to forget all the things that went WRONG with the PS2? FACT: These are new boxes. They'll be defects and kinks to work out. You'll hear disproportionately MORE about the boxes that aren't working then the boxes that are working fine. Deal with it and stop the bashing dumba**. I'll laugh my head off next year if you get a PS3 and it the things overheats, skips, has a drive defect or what not. Won't that be rich?
Chu: you're right. But I think Austen Mark's got a good point - whether or not it's true, or just a few isolated cases, the media loves to hate and this story is going to be bad for Microsoft.
Johnny (28): if that's true, that's f****in hilarious! And I don't doubt that just about everybody who lined up to buy an Xbox 360 will be following suit if they're having problems. Dedicated gamers find solutions!
What's amusing to me is how much people are jumping on MS for being inept and saying the 360 is rushed and not next gen. Ok let's break down both of these myths shall we?
1. I'm guessing some of you aren't old enough to remember the early days of the PS2, but as one of the many who went through hell to get theirs at launch, let me tell you this overheating issue is nothing. After being delayed 3 times, when the PS2 finally did ship mine arrived DOA. The power light came on, but nothing else happened. When I tried to take it back to the store the guy said I was better off shipping it back to sony since he had no clue when he'd get more. So I did, and 3 weeks later my replacement arrive... broken. It would play games for about 5 minutes before shutting itself off. So after swearing up and down at the tech guy, once again I was advised to return it to them for replacement. This time it took 1 day short of a month to arrive, but when it did it was everything the ads promised. I recently relived this experience when I turned on my shiny new PSP, only to find 1/3 of the screen dead, like a piece of $250 black swiss cheese. Moral of the story is obviously MS isn't the only company to have problems launching an brand new system, and yes Sony fanboys, it is BRAND NEW and not Xbox 1.5. This thing is completely different from the ground up, and you have to have really played one to understand.
2. The 360 is next gen in more ways then the format it plays and the quality of the graphics. Graphics wise, this thing is just sick. From PDZ to PGR3, this thing rivals my overclocked pc running two nvidia 7800's in SLI, and that's saying something. More then that though, it's next gen in concept. From it's online integration to it's ability to stream music, photos, and even video from any networked computer, it truly makes one excited at the new possibilities on the horizon. I feel that if Sony doesn't bring something equally as exciting and interesting to the party, the PS3 is going to feel like a let down. For people who hate on the 360 in comparison to the PS3, let me remind you that so far all the video they have shown from PS3 games was pre-rendered. MS made a point of running all of their videos directly off the dev kits or the systems themselves, and even then they looked pretty damn impressive.
My 360 has run flawlessly since the day I opened it, and right now it is streaming my stones greatest hits over my surround sound system as I write this. Everyone I know that has one has had a similar experience with theirs. Personally I am wondering how many people who have flamed on it here were standing up for apple when people started bitching about their Nano's.
This isn't a "fix" -- People aren't reading their instruction manuals. The "fix" would be to shoot all the stupid people in the face.
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From http://www.xbox.com/en-US/support/getstarted/system/xbox360/connect-positionconsole.htm
Prevent the Console from Overheating
Do not block any ventilation openings on the console or power supply. Do not place the console or power supply on a bed, sofa, or other soft surface that may block ventilation openings. Do not place the console or power supply in a confined space, such as a bookcase, rack, or stereo cabinet, unless the space is well ventilated.
Do not place the console or power supply near any heat sources, such as radiators, heat registers, stoves, or amplifiers.
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If people would read their manual they wouldn't have this "problem" with their 360s. They aren't designed to be put on plush carpets or enclosed spaces, period.
This reminds me of the Powermac Cube which had a ventilation hole on the top of the computer that, if covered for more than a minute, would cause the computer to shutdown.
" suspending it in the air with string" ? your gonna need more than string to lift that thing its huge. mines is working fine
"suspending it in the air with string"
--> That's sooooo funny!! HAHAHA!
It's kinda funny that _this_ is the 360 launch story -> it overheats!
It was on local radio, tv, everywhere. Not how great the games are, not how much fun, just... it's expensive and overheats. D'oh!
id recommend suspending it with http://www.gripple.com
use 20 lb test fishing line, that won't break under the humongus brick of the X360's.
Suspend it from your finger directly above the waste can and then let go.
Looks as if the power supply problem could be do do with the Mysterons (Captain Scarlet TV) the white light ring is a dead give away
"or if you’re not feeling like making a trapeze act out out of the thing, stick it on an open box so it can better emanate heat"
Yeah, if that power supply is overheating, put it on top of something flammable!
Why not skip the string and tie a rope around your neck instead for being such a jackoff by cramming it into your entertainment center and throwing the adapter into the tangled hell of wires behind your TV set.
But if you actually have it VENTILATED and it still overheats,my condolences. Mine works absolutely flawless.
i dunked my power supply in a bowl of grease.
It keeps the entire thing cool and doesn’t short out
i luv my 360!!!!
A dude named Jobs deemed smart to move from PowerPC to Intel. The whole explanation at the time? Better perfomance per watt...
This whole business is taking such an ironic turn.
BTW: i'm no fanboy/basher and wish the best to those who are frustrated, whether it's with buggy MSFT, DRM'ed SONY or scratched AAPL products.
Why not just throw it in teh trash?
Its funny because all this time xbox people have been saying the ps3 wil overheat cause it has no ventilation... lol
Whos got teh grill now?
Mine hasn't seriously crashed. It did freeze up once when I was in hit the dashboard button during a game and zipped through the menus real fast to tell it to quit the game, and once when I checked out the Windows wireless setting transfer information, but both times I was able to turn off and back on the system via the power button on the media remote.
However, I had noticed the thing was loud as hell when playing any 360 disc-based games. It's fairly quiet while playing arcade games, dvd movies, an old Xbox game, or just using the dashboard.
Last night I took it with me to play at my parents' house (nothing funnier than watching my parents race in PGR), and I noticed it never got loud. Fairly sure the difference was indeed the power supply. At home, I had the power supply laying behind the entertainment center. At their house, I had placed it on top of the entertainment center, out in the open. It never got loud, and we played it for hours and hours, trying 3 different disc-based games with no issues or excess noise.
You're all kidding me right?.....
So if some kids were to take their new laptops and put them in a 'stereo' cabinet and they overheated (which they would if they were running alot of apps), its Dell's fault?....
Come on, give your heads a shake... This is a high end computing device that anyone with half a braincell knows will generate ALOT of heat so it should be in a more open environment (NOT ON CARPETING).. Put your laptop on your carpet and see how 'hot' it gets....LOL..
All I've got to say is if the 'PS3' is SOOO much more powerful, its gonna generate a TON more heat... The only way to solve this is fans, open areas OR (as desktop pc's do - A VERY LARGE TOWER CASE - which increases the volue of air surrounding the electronics)....
Anyways, Love my 360 and it works F'n Awesome... BLOWS anything else out of the water....LOL
Just needs to NOT be sitting in a confined space... Sheeesh....LOL..
LOL @ Kevin D
notice how everything from MSFT never works... you always have to do something else to get things from this company to work. I really dont see how they are soo successful...
@ Kevin D: well, a laptop isn't designed for use on the rug or in a TV cabinet, is it? But just about every game console is going in the living room, right next to the best TV in the house, which in many cases is going to be in some sort of cabinet. And who is going to put their power supply anywhere other than the floor? And if the floor in the room containing the best TV in the house has carpeting...what are people supposed to do? Move the whole entertainment system to the porch to take advantage of a nice fall breeze?
XBOX 360 Fanboy, is this a true reader or you guys trying to be funny?
"notice how everything from MSFT never works... you always have to do something else to get things from this company to work. I really dont see how they are soo successful..."
Ignorance is really bliss, isnt it?
My xbox 360 hasn't over heated, but then again my power supply is stretched halfway across the room to reach the plug, so it's just kind of hanging there.
So, now that I have spent $400 bucks plus i need to buy a special enclosure for this pos too? And people wonder why I stick to pc games. Just another example of m$ lack of design skills. I mean, if i wanted to build and extra piece of furniture so that my 360 wouldnt overheat, but why bother? And the sad part is...i was kinda hopin the 360 wouldnt suck...so uch for that.
I thought the reason it was sooo big was to help with cooling!!!!
Cho, why would you place your DVD player and Tivo on top of your receiver? The front page of the manual for my receiver clearly states that you should give it a few inches clearance on the top. My buddy's receiver had a sticker with the same warning that he had to peal off the top after he opened it. Why not simply move your receiver to the top of the stack?
Common sense says that if there are no directions on the power brick and/or in the manual about placement, then it is safe to assume that Microsoft feels that placement should not be an issue. Since placement apparently is an issue, that means that the hardware is not up to spec. If there is such a warning in the XBox 360 manual, then it is just a matter of RTFM.
Mine is absolutely perfect. No overheating at all AND I have it on my entertainment center. Am I blowing your mind yet?
Here's my setup.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v297/TheFlowinProse/360Small.jpg
the bottom line is a console should be as easy to setup and use as a toaster.
shame on microsoft for releasing such a shoddy product. when will people learn that MS is only concerned about $$$, not about the customer.
sounds like the 360 is about as well designed as their sh1t software.
Why the hell should have to fix a poor design from MS maybe if they produced a better power supply we would not have these problems...
After paying the amount of money for it you think it would work properly...
For all you people defending MS, I have a question: Why? People keep citing other console launches and the problems that go along with them as if that some how justifies all this. It is ridiculous how so many people have become good little sheep and are willing to overlook and forgive problems because "it happens all the time".
This is a COMPANY we are talking about, all they care about is your money, that's it, why does anyone feel the need to defend them when they screwed up? People sitting back and accepting this is WHY it keeps happening. Do you think MS would have shipped a buggy system early if they knew that major problems meant they would be (metaphorically) drug out into the streets and beaten? No. They do this because they know that there will be some squeaky wheels, but not enough to cost them anything in the long run, they will eventually be able to fix the problems and the shee will wait for them to do so. In short, they do it because they know they can get away with it, and guess who lets them?
So they get their big hyped launch and jump on the competition with a not-ready-for production-machine becuase the masses will give them a pass if it has pretty colors.
We should be screaming to the high heavens, not sitting back and accepting it. Otherwise it will just happen again. Or maybe that's what you want, so you can smugly come here and impress everyone with your knowledge of console launches and sheep like acceptance of problems.
"when will people learn that MS is only concerned about $$$, not about the customer."
As opposed to sony and nintendo who are concerned with curing aids and feeding the starving children in africa......?
How does a person get to be this stupid? Are you huffing gasoline and eating paint chips while you read engadget?
I like my xbox 360 like I like my women.... High maintennance, hard to get, and hot.
LOLOLOL XBox360 sucks, and Bu$hitler is totally getting his a$$ kicked Iraq!!!
Fwapfwapfwapfwapfwapfwap...
According to #46 everybody should stop defending companies that ship faulty products, that means all of you Playstation fanboys/girls should stop defending Sony for repeatedly shipping shitty products, every console they've shipped starting with their first has had many problems, you guys would know this if you were old enough to remember the Playstations launch, let alone The PS2's launch, and besides the only company that I can remember that didn't have any serious problems with their console at launch was nintendo, come have you heard anything about their launches, aside from a lack of games, and from what I recall Microsoft didn't have any problems with the launch of the original xbox.
By the way I'm on my fourth Playstation 2, no amount of cleaning will fix those things, the only thing shipping my first one back to sony accomplished was them sending me a brand new faulty PS2.
To blame MS for the 360 overheating is a pathetic excuse for your own ignorance and laziness. FACT: Any high-end electronic device can and will overheat if not properly ventilated. The degree of necessary ventilation varies between each device and the environment it is in. Most consumers have trouble realising this (even though it is spelled out in the manual) and ALWAYS blame the manufacturer. That's why people take devices in for repair (or just replace them) when they "mysteriously" stop functioning in the middle of something (99% of the time, it's heat). It's what our society does, blame somebody else for a problem you created.
The troubling thing is, the brick power-supply was removed from the console itself because of the heat problem. But, people want to hide the brick supply because it's a brick. However, people are too lazy and ignorant to put the brick in a concealed location that is also well ventiliated. So, they blame Microsoft because little Johnny doesn't know where to put his brick .... I recommend upside his head.
Why not just use a regular household fan and point it at the powersupply?
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Posted Nov 25, 2005, 1:55 PM ET by Chu Chu
"when will people learn that MS is only concerned about $$$, not about the customer."
As opposed to sony and nintendo who are concerned with curing aids and feeding the starving children in africa......?
How does a person get to be this stupid? Are you huffing gasoline and eating paint chips while you read engadget?
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actually, i'm reading joystiq, but anyway...
a good company cares about profits, of course, but it also cares about the customer and does its best to please the customer, to get them to return. MS does neither and has, in fact, relied on the customer to debug their products since the company's founding, which is a slap in the face. instead of improving their products over the years, like a company the relied on it's reputation would, they've made them worse, introducing more and more bugs.
how can MS get away with this? it's simple - they use dirty (immoral/illegal) business practices to kill the competition, at which point they don't have to worry about what the consumer thinks. if you want to someday have NO competition in the console world, by all means, buy MS products.
we're all getting a taste for what the future will be like if MS gets its way and takes over. hopefully there are enough people out there that feel the way i do to keep the competition alive.
oh, and fuck you chuchu - grow the hell up.
I am more than happy to purchase anyone's XBoX 360 who isn't happy with it.
"We should be screaming to the high heavens, not sitting back and accepting it"
Or you could just buy a nintendo system. Until the playstation 1 came out, I had never even heard of someone having to replace a console because it "failed". The worst I ever saw was having to blow on your old NES cartridges before inserting them, but even that was many years into its life. I still have every single Nintendo console I ever bought and they all work fine. I have owned 2 playstation 2s but I have had no problems with my original xbox (but its very noisy)
"As opposed to sony and nintendo who are concerned with curing aids and feeding the starving children in africa......?"
Actually, its funny you mention it because Nintendo IS concerned with feeding starving children. They just finished a massively successful food drive. Check out the link.
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=7276
Now I know you are huffing gasoline homer. Quick history lesson: nintendo and sony have both engaged in monopolistic behaviour during their time at the top of the video game heap. It comes with the territory. You don't get to the top without steping on some throats in the process nowadays and they all do it and do it well. Now try pulling your head out of your ass for once and realize that this is the way the business world turns. To suggest that MS is somehow the corporate bully picking on the other nice video game companies is laughably naive.
hey curses I've got another site for you:
http://www.gatesfoundation.org/default.htm
Go pull your pud to that one for a while.
Ahhhh, Microsoft people just shut up and take the fact that this is a problem. Taking it up the butt isn't going to solve anything. For all of you who are getting that feeling of the possibility of a mistake or that the precious box they waited for isn't perfect just accept this and act accordingly, as in stop denying problems.
And to the moron who thinks all of the videos on the ps3 were pre-rendered watch the MGS4 trailer. Now of course that can be played on a 360 but last I heard that’s not the exactly the system it will be on so what good does that do the 360 anyway.
Now am I saying that Sony’s PS2 launch was flawless, NOO!! But my ps2 is still working and I’ve had it since 3 months after its launch. My Xbox works as well, as does my Gamecube. If I can’t put the 360 on carpet or in an entertainment center and I have to suspend my PSU over a shoebox then well…. There is a problem, so once again stop acting like this is just peachy.
2 years from now when all this fuss dies down and you still have your Rube Goldberg contraption set up so you can play some games and your perfectly fine with it, then I guess my point is invalid and I should be disclaimed immediately.
chuchu, you are the one with the head-up-ass problem. MS is INDEED a corporate bully - how many times have they been sued for unfair biz practices, and LOST? how many millions have they paid out to the companies they stepped on? you still there chu-boy?
to accept MS practices as "how the business world turns" is to accept that all is fair (ie. ILLEGAL moves against the competition)in the biz world. we've all seen what big biz does when ethics are thrown out the window in the name of profits (caugh-caugh-enron). why would you voluntarily bend over and take it from a company like that?
you, chu chu, are a sheep, and an immature one at that.
curses made some good points in his post, you must've missed it. here, i'll repost the second 1/2:
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"As opposed to sony and nintendo who are concerned with curing aids and feeding the starving children in africa......?"
Actually, its funny you mention it because Nintendo IS concerned with feeding starving children. They just finished a massively successful food drive. Check out the link.
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=7276
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pff...fanboys.
oh my god you are slow homer. Why is this so hard for you to understand? They are ALL "dirty". It's a smashmouth industry. To single MS out and say "oh look at meany MS picky on lil ole nintendo and sony" you gotta have some serious rocks in your head. Anyone who was around during the days of NES/SNES knows the big N wasn't exactly the nicest company around and I wouldn't expect them to be either. Their agenda is to make money through worldwide market domination. Try your best to comprehend this.
"Go pull your pud to that one for a while."
You don't see the difference do you chu?
MS donates money. They write off every penny as a charitable donation.
Nintendo organizes a food drive among their employees. This food can't be used as a tax writeoff. Big difference.
chuchu, nintendo's consoles worked at launch, even when they were top of the heap.
how many companies have sued nintendo for illegal biz activities? so, wait, it IS possible to be a large company and play by the rules? waitwait, you don't HAVE to screw over the consumer to be successful?
wake up boy. and try reading other people's posts before stating the same thing over and over. i debated the point yo're trying to make already. your point is MOOT.
i reiterate - pfffffff - fanboys.
Yes I'm sure nintendo didn't write off their cash donation either. 0.o
You and homer do yourself a favour, go to google and type in "nintendo tengen lawsuit" and read that. After you are finished that try "nintento anti-trust" and you should get a bunch more hits. Finally just so we don't leave out sony, try "sony ethics" and check out some of those results.
The moral of the story here? All of these companies engage in monopolistic behaviour. If you think nintendo is a "good company" while MS is "mean" then you are simply divorced from reality.
"how many companies have sued nintendo for illegal biz activities?"
lol
Go get educated.
gates is the richest person in the world, yet i just read a week ago that his foundation has slipped to number TWO this year in terms of philanthropic giving.
can you say greed?
i knew you could.
I'll repeat your qoute again because it's so obvious how wrong you are:
"how many companies have sued nintendo for illegal biz activities?"
And just so it's dead easy for you, here are a few links that even a monkey could click on:
http://www.google.com/search?q=nintendo+anti-trust
http://www.google.com/search?q=nintendo+tengen+lawsuit
hey boy, if you like getting screwed, by all means, go right ahead. the more sheep like you the better for MS.
i would rather make an informed purchase - wait and see the kind of reviews a products gets before i buy, instead of buying one just to be the first on the block, for bragging rights. if the "revolution" comes out and i hear reports that there are hardware issues, i'm not going to buy it.
that's why you're clearly a fanboy.
So curses, Nintendo doesn't really outlay any money then do they? Its just allowing its own employees to dish out of their own pockets...
Yeh, big spenders.... As for the tax write offs, you dont get every penny back (its a percentage).. Therefore, you've contributed some of your own money...
Oh and I've shown 2 PS2 lover boys my new 360 running flawlessly I might ad on my 65" Sony Tv (yep, its a sony - LOVE IT) with Sony surround sound (Love it as well) and they literally couldn't say a word....
So you tools enjoy your little PSpoo's and come talk to me when Sony's "REAL" system comes to North America November 2006...LOLLOLOLOLOL....
That's what I thought homer... no answer.
Next time don't mix it up when you don't know the history.
And for the record, I don't own a 360 nor do I have any immediate plans to buy one. I think 360, PS3, and Revolution will all be decent systems. OH NOES IM A FANBOY!
answer to what? go back and read what i wrote. we could go back and forth forever, it doesn't matter. my point was made several posts ago - your words expose your true POV. bye-bye now.
apples and oranges, chu.
Homer- Sure... you wrote your point, but that point was proven to be false. Nintendo during their heyday was ruthless, just as much as MS and Sony.
Take off the rose colored glasses.
You guys are just being wierd now..
Okay Nintendos history, they started making gambling cards... umm for those who dont know any better their biggest customers were the Yakuza.
As for the Tengen lawsuit, Atari sued Nintendo because of Tetris. The biggest puzzle game of all time and Atari didnt have it and got pissy, that isnt a real lawsuit. A REAL antitrust would be oh lets see, buying out companies or using illegal practices to make sure they cant compete with you.
Why do you think Nintendo never got fined for antitrust the way MS actually did, but did lose the Tengen suit (they have other games outside Tetris...)
As for the drives, one thing you didnt notice is what Nintendos employees donated they matched.
Launch systems arent supposed to be buggy, they set the example for the entire generation of your system. The NES launch was amazing, amazing generation. The SNES launch was amazing, amazing generation. The N64 launch was amazing, amazing generation. The xbox launch skipped entire games... the PS2 breaks down a few months after the warranty expires...
The 360 had its chance to wow me, now not even Mistwalker will get me to buy the system. Because this is in the news you KNOW the Japanese are hearing about it, which means that it is going to hurt the launch in Japan in many ways.
500 Canadian should buy me something reliable, not something that needs to be sent back the day it comes out.
"As for the Tengen lawsuit, Atari sued Nintendo because of Tetris. The biggest puzzle game of all time and Atari didnt have it and got pissy, that isnt a real lawsuit. A REAL antitrust would be oh lets see, buying out companies or using illegal practices to make sure they cant compete with you.
Why do you think Nintendo never got fined for antitrust the way MS actually did, but did lose the Tengen suit (they have other games outside Tetris...)"
Oh you mean like this?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/2375967.stm
BTW you need to brush up on your Tengen history too because that is not what happened. Nintendo was strongarming retailers who were stocking tengen products, threatening to stop shipping them first party titles if they didn't pull the Tengen games off the shelves.
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"And just so it's dead easy for you, here are a few links that even a monkey could click on:
"
Ok smartass, I guess you're the monkey because its obvious that you didnt read your own f&^$ing links or you would have read this in the very link you posted:
I'll quote it so a retard like you who won't even click the links he posts can understand, "In Februari 1993 the Federal Trade Comission clears Nintendo of all the antitrust charges (Including Atari's)."
And as for the tengen thing, Nintendo didn't do anything illegal. It all started from some unrelated industry jerk selling the rights to tetris when they weren't his to sell.
The only case that holds any water is some import export bullshit in the EU that nintendo got fined over.
So get your facts straight before posting more of your shart.
As for nintendo being ruthless, no one would argue that they had some messed up corporate policies that were not very favorable to their licensees but it was always in the interest of controlling the final product such that it would be up to their standards. It could easily be argued that this was in response to the lax policies of atari as far as licensing and quality control and its perceived contribution to the crash of 83. In could also be argued that these policies were successful in turning the video game industry into a success again. In short, Nintendo didnt want the same to happen to them as happened to atari. This type of strict corporate behavior is a far cry from what MS has been sued for and LOST.
Background on the Tengen lawsuit:
Nintendo made the 10NES program to prevent the NES from reading unauthorized cartridges because their license agreement forced licensees to market no more than 5 new NES games a year. Atari tried to break the code, but failed. They became a licensee, then lied to the Copyright Office to obtain the source. They cracked the code, Nintendo tried to stop them, and Atari sued for monopolistic practices. Nintendo won.
Link here:
http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/openlaw/DVD/cases/atarivnintendo.html
There. No more monkey business. Calm down.
wow i really think its time for engadget to get a moderation system, like on slashdot... i'm not taking any sides but if at least i could browse a few intelligent, not-15-year-old ignorant-fu*ktard fanboys ranting ad infinium then this whole discussion might be a little more interesting... and be above a 3rd grade level
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Acxtually, this is the first thing I thought of when people started complaining that their xboxs were crashing. Mine wasn't... my friends was... he had it on the carpet... I had mine on the lower part of my wood entertainment center. Plus, I keep my house at 68 degrees all the time :)