PlayStation 3 hardware is "barely superior to Xbox 360?"
By Ryan Block 
posted Feb 11th 2006 11:42AM
posted Feb 11th 2006 11:42AM
At
this point in the game Sony's been so intensely tight-lipped about the goings on of the PlayStation 3 that we're
becoming increasingly skeptical about information that's starting to leak -- not even because we think it's dubious
(which it usually appears to be), but because we are starting to think they're further behind development on the
console than they are actually letting on. Either way, Kikizo claims to have some details and working experiences from
"three PS3 developers in multiple territories" that supposedly got close-to-final hardware from Sony recently
(which does not jibe, sir, with what we heard from that supposed PSM leak that said the
hardware's gone final). According to Kikizo's report -- which we're by no means endorsing -- there's apparently not
enough room for a 2.5-inch drive in the PlayStation 3 mockup box they've been showing off all over the world (the question of the internal drive
certainly does keep getting raised), that the PlayStation 3 is "a machine barely superior to Xbox 360," and
that launch titles will look something akin to "nice Xbox 360 material." No, there's no mention of their Xbox Live killer, either -- so who do
you trust at this point? Is it ok if we just say nobody and leave it at that?[Via Joystiq]
the issue of the hard drive not being able to fit into the PS3, I did wonder how they would be able to fit on in considering the dimensions of the hardware. The way things are working out now for, and all the rumours flying around, for me i am perceiving a negative vibe.
wow! all that talk form sony about 2x better then the 360. haha i knew this would happen. i will look forward to see what the differnce actully is.
I honestly don't believe anyone anymore there's so many rumors running around that its hard to believe what people say, but about the hard drive, why wouldnt they use a smaller one like the kind that the ipod uses?????
The PS3 doesn't need to be superior to the XBox360 to dominate the market; it need only have better games, and that's not difficult if Sony has greater developer support than Microsoft. Insofar as their machines are more similar than dissimilar (multicore, advanced GPU vs different CPU cores and different optical drives), it all boils down to who has better game support.
If nothing else changes, sheer inertia from the previous generation would allow Sony to remain king. Microsoft really needs to start wooing developers, more than anything else, to propel the XBox360, because nothing else will sell the console.
they wouldnt use one like the iPod because for the storage capacity they are much more expensive, the main prics of the iPod is the harddrive, do you want to pay an extra 200-300 dollars for a 60 gig hardrive? or for 100 dollars get one that has twice the capacity, assuming that they dont screw you like the 360. I love the crap out of my 360, but 100$ for a 20 gig?!!??!?! really thats ubsurd, for less you can find a 100 gig hardrive. The seek times arent even super fast, although it is a SATA drive, the producers of it said it wasnt that good.
#4, Brant - Two reasons, the cost of the console would rocket up higher, and the reliability of one of those hard disks probably wouldn't be as good under such heavy load conditions.
Rumours, hype, and counter-hype. Engadget guys, I know you're just doing your job by reporting this, but don't you sometimes feel just a teensy bit responsible? I mean, not you all in particular, but the general technology/gaming press that reports on this stuff. By reporting ever bit of unverified rumour that floats through, you just encourage more people to submit false rumours.
Anyway, the whole thing sounds bogus. The part about "barely superior" is probably going to turn out true, but only because technology hasn't advanced so incredibly much in the couple of months since the 360 was released. But all the other conflicting reports point to one thing only: nobody has even the slightest beginning of a clue.
Well, if they're still revising their console design, even things like "Does it have a hard drive?", maybe they could have a look back at their stupid banana controller. Ditch it and go with Dual Shock 3 or something, for Pete's sake.
4) A smaller drive like the iPod's would work, but I think it would drive the price of the unit up even higher than it's projected to be now.
As far as the PS3 in general goes, I have a sneaking suspicion that the PS3 hasn't a prayer of being released in the U.S. this year. Sony has not shown any actually playable demos running on PS3 hardware yet; is that truly characteristic of a company with a system that's prepared to be released in Japan within a few months?
Then on to the issue of the PS3's power; it will be marginally better than the 360's, at best. Hideo Kojima himself admitted that the MGS4 demo could easily have been done on Xbox 360 hardware. I would not be surprised if the two systems were completely equal; as it stands, I doubt there will be even as large a difference as between the current Xbox and the PS2. What games look better will depend entirely on the skills of the developers.
That said, I suppose it's time for a prediction. The PS3, if it is not released this year, has no chance of defeating the 360. By the end of this year, Microsoft will have Xbox 360s readily available. Even now, the systems aren't selling for much more than retail price on eBay. The PS2's year-long head start was its greatest asset in the last generation; I expect history to repeat itself.
This isn't like the Dreamcast; the Dreamcast failed because Sega did not have the resources to compete with the Sony marketing machine. Microsoft has more than enough resources to pull it off; in addition, they appear to have their house in order as far as 3rd-party titles go.
But I can't deny Sony a chance. It's entirely possible that they'll get the system out a lot sooner than I expect. But timing's everything, especially in the video game market. So any efforts to predict the future are nearly as unreliable as efforts to predict the next president.
I declare these, the 2006 next gen console flame wars, commenced!!!
LIGHT EM UP!
WHO CARES?! JUST BRING IT.
You guys are idiots, the HDMI connector alone makes it worth 100X more than the Xbox, oh, and did we forget about BRD? So Sony might release their new system a year later than the Xbox 360 (which doesn't even come standard with component cables, let alone not being able to challenge a play in Madden), but it will be a superior box (period.). How long will it take Gates to tell his goons to actually give people their money's worth? The PS2 was worth every penny, the Xbox was worth every penny (after the first markdown), but everyone knows that the Xbox 360 is not worth the money that you are paying for it, plus, when are there going to be more in stock, i haven't seen one on sale in a couple of months. So myabe the PS3 will actually make it out the door by the time the Xbox 360 is available and some of the severe (my house is on fire because i am running a powersupply as big as a 1960s fallout shelter generator) problems are resolved.
Idiots.
No, the ipod's disk is not reliable as larger disks.
Of course, this was inevitable. How can we belive tech specs from sony if we have yet to see any real gameplay.... Hah, 2x as powerful, my foot....
PS3 will be the true next gen console...jus wait and see...all these rumors are probably spreaded by Xbox people who want to convey ppl to stop waiting for the PS3 and buy the xbox360 now.
If the new "CELL" CPU was going to be so great why did Apple leave this PowerPC developed platform for Intel?
I think the problem is "cost". To make the unit powerful enough to get anywhere near the "hype" the cost goes up. So we could get a semi-crippled CPU in the PS3 for cost reasons! This issue is probably why the launch moves later and later as IBM and Sony struggle to get the good cpu manufactured as inexpensively as possible, so they can afford to put it in the PS3.
I think the "issue" around a HD is merely a distraction. Who really cares whether it's internal or external? It would be such a cheap add on.
Why don't we just wait and see what it's going to be like, instead of listening to these rumors? They will probably be wrong anyways, and all we're doing here is having fanboy battles. Don't believe anything until you see it in person...
#13 - Microsoft can easily add a HDMI connection through its multimedia out (where the HDTV cable currently connects too). In terms of not coming with component cables and not getting your monies worth, Microsoft is already losing a lot of money on each console, everyone is definately getting more then their monies worth! And PS3 will obviously cost a lot more. With Madden, that has nothing to do with Microsoft, EA rushed all their initital games this year. And Xbox 360's are finally starting to be available in stores, PS3 will probbaly go through the same launch problems.
The one thing I do agree with is that the blu-ray drive is definately a plus for PS3, but the future of gaming is downloading games online, and XBox Live is incredible. So once bigger hard drives are available, having any sort of optical drive could become obsolote (you can already download 1.5gig demos from Xbox Live, a few more gigs worth and you have an entire game).
I was planning on buying both Xbox 360 and PS3, but after buying Xbox 360, it is so good, I don't see PS3 offering anything that is that much better, and I don't see anyone competing with Xbox Live, it has been in use for what 5 years now? That is a long time in making it the incredible online system it is and building up the millions of people that use it.
It's most likely a rumor, but the key word is "superior." Fact or fiction, the PS3 is better, and that's what we all expected.
13) Funny, my 360 came with component cables. If you're buying the core system, you probably don't even have a component input on your TV.
Microsoft should have an HDMI cable out by the time the PS3 comes out.
rumors rumors rumors...
it's fun to specumalate (thx homer!) and all, but shouldn't we wait until it's released before we're disappointed? that's what i'm gonna do.
http://www.pricewatch.com/prc.aspx?i=101&a=439532
Hmmmm...looks like an 80GB 2.5" drive would run you about $100...and that is 5400RPM model...
I'm not much or a video game player but I do very much appreciate the technology behind it. As a consultant to the industry I often have an opportunity to gain interesting insight and perspective directly from insiders. For whatever it is worth I have been privy to numerous anecdotes involving influential members of the PS3 product management and development team laughing out-loud after playing the 360.
If Microsoft was bringing out a hdmi cable it would of been out by now, and what would be the benefit anyway the video output is gonna look the same as the quality of the component cables plus I don't want to hear the audio coming thru my hdmi compatible hdtv because I run the audio with the optical out to my reciever. Also I agree with Gabe, Im a Sony fan though I like all games I bought a 360 and I don't think I got my money's worth to tell the truth I havent even played it in a while its just collecting dust. I thank alot of you microsoft lovers are in denial and are going to be surprised by what it can do when it is released, Cuz I know when it drops my 360 will prolly never be played anymore cuz all the 3rd party titles im gonna get for the ps3, I only bought the 360 now to get a bite of that future next gen but I got the same thing I already had with some finger nail polish on it.
And the Sony fanboys come out swinging again. There may be a lot of rumors but when you have people like John Carmack also telling you similar information I tend to lean towards it being true.
In the end its the games right? I'll enjoy my 360 (I am loving it) and I'll probably buy a PS3 as well when the time comes. There is no reason to have a fanboy mentallity. Just buy the systems and play the games. There will be great games for both you can't get anywhere else.
"there's apparently not enough room for a 2.5-inch drive in the PlayStation 3 mockup box "
Has anyone here (or has this guy) actually seen a 2.5" drive? You could practically fit one in a Nintendo DS, let alone a PS3. The hard drive attachment on the Xbox 360 is about 20 times the volume of the actual drive inside it, so don't base what you know on that. You can see the actual size of a 2.5" drive here: http://www.thatstrife.com/carproject/images/3_10_2004_LARGE5.jpg
If this guy's saying they can't fit a 2.5" drive inside the PS3 case, he's an idiot. I don't care how much other hardware is in there; there is no way Sony has designed this system with 100% efficiency right off the bat to the point where every single square inch of available space is being used and nothing can be moved. My guess is even as it is, there is a lot of empty air in there - especially in "the bulge", where a 2.5" drive could easily fit above or next to the Blu-Ray drive.
That one statement pretty much ruins the credibility of this entire report for me. I just don't buy any of it after that.
Everybody needs to just hurry up and wait. All these "inside sources" say this...is much to do about nothing. I am not reading another thing about the PS3 until it comes from Sony itself.
Personally I am quite happy to see this post on engadget where they admit that they dont know what is going on, now, if only they would do that with some other products *cough*Ipod Video 2.0*cough*Treo*cough* hehe.... not ripping, I enjoy reading the comments on those pages it gives me a laugh
Here is the real deal folks. The PS3 is Sony's last hope and it's not about video games at all. It's about the real war for the living room: movies and tv. Microsoft wants in, Apple wants in, and Sony wants in.
The PS3 is the trojan horse meant to invade the living rooms of the world with blu-ray and hdmi. Why? Profit of course. Profit margins on DVD's are too low. Blu-ray DVD's are going to come out costing in the $30 range. Sony and others are going to be selling them wholesale at $24 a pop. That's more at wholesale than you buy DVD's at now(that's a lot of profit for Sony).
Will they be better than standard DVDs? Maybe. If you have a HDMI enabled tv. Otherwise you only get half the resolution for output. No 720p, no 1080i. Thus, if you don't have HDMI then your High-def DVD's are basically just normal DVD's. So, all of you who have high def tv's without HDMI, are going to get screwed. Sorry.
Now, back to the PS3... is it worth it to spend $500-700 on a machinie that isn't any better at games than the Xbox 360? If you have a HDMI enabled hdtv, then maybe. If not, don't believe the hype. The PS3 won't have all of the games at 1080p. They will run at 720p or 1080i, just like the 360. Blu-ray won't be in HD unless you have HDMI. The whole thing is just Sony's latest attempt to make money off their own formats. They did this with the PSP's UMD, the Walkman's MiniDisc, and blu-ray is next. The PS3 should come with a free lolipop for all the suckers who buy it for blu-ray.
Trust no one, especially Sony! ;-)
My inanimate hunk of plastic and silicon is far superior to your inanimate hunk of plastic and silicon!!!!!
you sir ar an idiot: if you've read anything of any use you would find that there will be no noticable differences between the two hardwares. Go back to fanboy land
Guys, guys. There are no fanboys. It's a battle of marketing shills in here. ;P
"I bought a 360 and I don't think I got my money's worth"
How much would it cost you to buy a PC that could run Oblivion at it's max settings?
Think about that and then try to tell us that you "didn't get your money's worth". The Xbox 360 is very good value for money, in terms of hardware. Moreso than probably any other piece of eletronics you could buy because MS are making a loss when they sell it to you.
Whether or not you like the games is up to personal preference and taste. There are plently of great games out right now, and many more on the horizon.
I remember the PS2 launch and it's first year "games" (I use the term loosely) and the Xbox 360 situation is much perferable.
Quote "Well, if they're still revising their console design, even things like "Does it have a hard drive?", maybe they could have a look back at their stupid banana controller. Ditch it and go with Dual Shock 3 or something, for Pete's sake."
Ok, Sony have been sued (I Think 20,000,000) over the Dual Shock, they went and used technology that already had a patent, Microsoft were sued (i Think 3,000,000), all this over vibration technology. So they have to come up with a new controller.
[let logic prevail]
whenever it is released (PS3), being delivered to the gamer much later than Xbox360 one should let logic prevail and assume it will be superior.
[moneyMovements]
Maybe sony intially had the intention of having an all powerfull machine to combat Xbox360, but they probably overestimated xbox360 specs and created a more powerfull machine than needed. now with fear of rising cost and crap xbox360 specs, sony designers are revamping the system to pip the xbox360 by a small amount to keep the cost down.
you only need to be marginally better than your competitor, then you dont have to give additional stuff. eg. Blu-Ray, HardDrive
"Has anyone here (or has this guy) actually seen a 2.5" drive? You could practically fit one in a Nintendo DS, let alone a PS3. The hard drive attachment on the Xbox 360 is about 20 times the volume of the actual drive inside it, so don't base what you know on that. You can see the actual size of a 2.5" drive here: http://www.thatstrife.com/carproject/images/3_10_2004_LARGE5.jpg"
Haha, do you REALLY think that SOny will simply put that hard drive in there without somekind of casing......how would that look if "normal" consumers would want to buy another hard drive that'll look like this:
http://pr.fujitsu.com/photo/0401/5a_l.jpg
C'mon man!! THINK for god's sake...........ofcourse there'll be some kind of casing that'll make it bigger that the actual hard drive.....
YOU are funny!!!
I'm probably going to have to go with 'neither' as well.
It's funny to read the differences in how Joystiq and Engadget reported on this article. Engadget = big NEGATIVE slant, while Joystiq takes the more positive route.
I haven't read the article, so I can't comment yet on the overall opine of the original author with regards to the true slant.
I think the bottom line is this: The Cell processor is a bold "new" approach to processing. Unfortunately, the cell concept has failed miserably in the past, and a lot of the time it has nothing to do with which technology has "superior hardware capabilities". The reality is that Sony is hoping that Blu-Ray drives and cell processors will carry it's PS3 into the tech forefront - a questionable strategy. They execute so poorly as a software company, a lot of devs are left out to dry with trying to make stuff work on the exotic hardware ("...Sony will have to make available to [devs] libraries and new routines... something they've been severely lacking at so far.". Sure, if enough people buy PS3s, most devs will force themselves to learn and create new dev PS3 platforms - but that means that it will take even longer until we see games take full advantage of the hardware (2 years +). I want PS3 to do well, but man, there is no way I agree with Dan Choi over at Joystiq in saying "These are exciting times for Sony fans"...I would say at the most, "these are uncomfortable times for Sony fans". I have been reading all sorts of news glibs over the past week that have been slamming the console, or were fluff/hype pieces that seemed so far fetch as to be ridiculous.
Man...once again, so many fanboy comments @ engadget with little to NOTHING in support of their opinions except blind allegiance. HDMI makes the the PS3 ONE HUNDRED TIMES more valuable than Xbox360? What on earth? It's a freaking cable! You either have an analog signal or a digital one. Digital > Analog no doubt, but 100X better? - no way. MS already said they will eventually release a digital cable in the future, so this is not a PS3 advantage in any way.
Is the Blu-Ray drive an advantage? I don't think so. Most people that I know think that DVD = HD in terms of quality! As many have already noted, the leap from DVD to BR/HD DVD is not as significant as VHS to DVD - the increased resolution is not enough to warrant people switching over their entire DVD collection for HD versions - especially at a higher cost. Second, watching BD disks is going to require a DRM controlled HD cable AND a set that supports it. I'm way "ahead of the Joneses" in my HT setup, but I won't be able to take advantage of BR movies, and I'm not upgrading my TV to take advantage. It really is an on-demand world, and I would much rather have an ability to download HD movies for a smaller fee than buy another format disk that I have to store on my shelves when not in use.
SONY will always be PHONY.i mean common you've seen previews that are coming out on following months......you don't, your smoking crack boy.
I'm straining myself, just to have patience for the games, it'll be two years before they come up with enough games so I'm totally "lovin it" with the PS3.
New technology, arcane processors from Sony, it took years for companies to really exploit the PS2 to make games that were freakishly realistic: MGS3 and Zone of the Enders 2 for example.
If the Cell has strong performance for specialized calculations, then it's going to take some time before the middleware people (unreal engine, renderman) to correctly optimize their engine to depend upon its multiprocessing capabilities.
Don't forget the xbox 360 has multiple cpu's too (also PPC based), so the console game software industry's overall is going to be researching multiprocessing optimizations a lot ... both platforms will kick ass, but Sony's Cell processor has the long-term lead. Once middleware can utilize the seven SPU (mini cpu's in the Cell) it should be a small leap to support more than seven. Say, the PS4, etc, might have multiple Cells.
Imagine programming for 24 SPU's. Nobody has a brain that big. I've gotta have patience for game middleware technology to catch up to the multiprocessing model, I'll see the Cell / xbox 360 utilized to their fullest extent.
To the bloke who thinks HDMI is the only way to get hi-def content on an HDTV:
HDMI is not even twice as good as component cables, let alone 100x. HDMI gives about the same picture quality as component, but is an uncompressed digital format and includes audio (which I actually don't want due to my audio setup- toslink output is easier). A friend of mine has his 360 hooked up to a Sony SXRD 60" HDTV and it upscales to 1080p (nice TV BTW, and 1080p upscaling looks good). You know what connection he uses? Component. HDMI is a cable, not a new technology. If offers a slight benefit over component cables as far as picture goes, but it sure the heck doesn't make 100x the difference nor enable your HDTV to suddenly unlock its potential. If you compare 15 pin d-sub PC cables to DVI cables you'll get the idea. CRT monitors use the d-sub, LCD monitors use the DVI. which looks better? Ironically usually the CRT using the analog cable (though this has nothing to do with the actual cable's properties, but ironic nonetheless). Furthermore, as others have said, MS said long ago that other cables will be forthcoming for the 360, but right now they are more worried about meeting demand for the console itself before they start in on all the periphrials (cables, web cams, faceplates etc).
Facts:
* Next to nobody here is close enough to Sony to know one single fact about the PS3, other than what has been released so far. I'm willing to bet that actually nobody hear does. Thus, nobody here knows enough to say anything about the PS3 will or won't be with any certainty.
* Nobody here knows enough to accurately predict when the system will be released. "Facts" like "they haven't shown off any demos yet!" mean nothing.
* There is no reason to believe anything that is said about the PS3 by anybody at this point except for Sony, which will no doubt be filled with hype, or people actually directly working with or on the PS3.
* Launch games for any system mean NOTHING in regard to how powerful the system is. If you think so, then you have never owned a video game system.
* The Xbox 360, PS3, and Revolution will all have great games on them that the people who own the systems will enjoy.
In other words, anybody here spouting "facts" for or against the PS3 are full of crap, because nobody here, including me, knows s**t at this point. And when it comes out, it will be just as worthwhile to own as the 360 and the Revolution will be.
All i can say is look everyone, you keep saying that the ps3 will be better...blah blah...Who cares? I am playing my 360 RIGHT NOW, and you are waiting and waiting playing your last gen ps2 wishing the ps3 would come out already. You know it wont be that good, so go out and get a 360 now and play it instead of waiting for something that wont come out for a long long time.
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The Ps3 isn't so hot. A friend of mine is beta testing what they currentyl have. No Hard Drive what so ever, and guess what? Since he doesn't have a hi-def TV it looks exactly like the Xbox 360 does. I have a 360. Not only can I watch videos from my pc, listen to music, surf the web, play online with friends, and play AWESOME games, but it was 400 dollars on the money, while the PS3's current projection is going to be between 400-500. They say they can't go above 500 cuz then no one will buy it, which is why it doesn't have a HDD. Believe me, there is ALWAYS enough room for a hard drive.
The xbox 360 hard drive costs that much because of the junk that comes on it. There is ALOT of stuff on it. Plus with the premium system you get the HDD for 50.
Every xbox 360 costs MS about 750 dollars to manufactor and sell. they sell for 400. hmmmm... not getting our money's worth eh?
comparing to comps: The Xbox is MADE for gaming. for 400 dollars you can't even buy a video card capable of producing the quality of the xbox. Halo, for instance, slows even the best computers down due to the 3d imaging mixed in with the invisibility issues of the covenant. The xbox doesn't slow down at all. Could this POSSIBLY be because it's MADE for games, with computer function extra, while computers are MADE as computers, with games extra? hmmmm...
I'll gladly wait another 6 months for PS3 since it will have;
1. BluRay Disc.
2. HDMI video.
I mean, really, come on, it's not like there are even any decent games out for X360 yet.
'nuff said.
It does exist. My friend's brother works at a studio where they're assigned to make a few games for the PS3, he does graphics/animation/modelling. He had the opportunity to try it out. They received the dev-kits recently.
What most of the people posting on this topic fail to realize. Is that we are coming to a point where hardware differences are going to barely have any effect. It will come down to what it has in the last generation. It is all about the GAMES. Even if the PS2 came out not as early as it did, it would still have the right game portfolio. The games are what made the PS2 the dominator in the last generation. I have both consoles and when a new game comes out, I decide on the controller aspect, what bonus features I get between the two, if playing online what system will my friends get it on and usually that is the PS2. When it comes to exclusive content, I usually find that on the PS2 at least 3-1 over the Xbox. So I have at least 4x more games on PS2 and I play it daily; yet I got an Xbox for a few exclusive titles, it gets played maybe once a month. Not only that, but MS is no longer putting effort into the Xbox platform, so no first party games, they are straight 360 from now on. Of course there are 3rd party, but as much as games cost to develop, especially a per game cost on Xbox. Developers are going to still make games for PS2, because of its market saturation and how much cheaper it is to make a game for PS2 (on average).
My point is, the investment I made in the PS2 was more rewarding, especially in the long term. Compared to how my Xbox investment was just a short term, with hardly as much future support as the PS2.
"""16. If the new "CELL" CPU was going to be so great why did Apple leave this PowerPC developed platform for Intel?"""
well apple left ibm because ibm could not make a G% powerbook there for, apple moved on.
i wondered how many xbox fanboy would take advantage on this ... there are so many rumors about ps3 first its one thing then its another i belive some of these editors are trying to steer people away from buying a ps3 or just make us go insane with the rumors.
Am getting pissed at the way Sony are going. They wont comfirm anything about the PS3, its all dam hype. I have been a soild Sony fan for years, I just bought my 1st Xbox, the 360 and am happy with its perforamnce.
If the PS3 is the same, then i aint shelling out $400 for a different coloured box.
I just think that the psp is showing that if you include tons of media features in your hardware, people will buy less games. And if the games are where you make all your money at, and people are buying less, it's a loosing proposition. While I would love a ps3 with a tivo, blu-ray, media center, online gaming, etc, Sony is either going to have to price it really high and it won't sell well, or take the loss and sell it cheaper. But they will sell less games and take a big hit. I think the ps3 will be very gaming orientated, with lots of add-on options.
Just like I told everyone, Xbox 360 will be the better system. The only reason the Xbox wasn't the best out of the three(PS2, GC, Xbox) wa because of the late start. Now they have the headstart, and along with Sony's growing problems, the Xbox 360 will be the unchallenged leader of the 2nd gen systems. Sony has all the talk, bu they back it up. The beginning of the end of Sony. Soon, only the PSP will be the only system keeping them in the positives.
"13. You guys are idiots, the HDMI connector alone makes it worth 100X more than the Xbox, oh, and did we forget about BRD? So Sony might release their new system a year later than the Xbox 360 (which doesn't even come standard with component cables, let alone not being able to challenge a play in Madden), but it will be a superior box (period.). How long will it take Gates to tell his goons to actually give people their money's worth? The PS2 was worth every penny, the Xbox was worth every penny (after the first markdown), but everyone knows that the Xbox 360 is not worth the money that you are paying for it, plus, when are there going to be more in stock, i haven't seen one on sale in a couple of months. So myabe the PS3 will actually make it out the door by the time the Xbox 360 is available and some of the severe (my house is on fire because i am running a powersupply as big as a 1960s fallout shelter generator) problems are resolved.
Idiots."
1. HDMI? Xbox 1 supported Hi Definition output, but did that cause it to be 100x better than the PS2?
2. The Xbox 360 comes with a Component/Composite cable standard.
3. Give people their Money's worth? I really see how the public thinks $100 more (or maybe even $200 by the PS3's launch) for a console that has fewer media capabilities, thanks to its probable lack of Hard Drive, could be considered a better deal. Hell, HD MCE Extenders are about $200 right there anyway.
4. Let's review: The PS2 Japanese launch price: Approx $369. The Xbox price, after 1st markdown: $250. $119 more for a box almost 3 times less capable?
5. Not like a Sony fanboy should be one to speak, considering the PS2's North America launch.
6. Microsoft estimates it will be on top of demand by April. The PS3's launch frame puts it well beyond that, even for Japan.
7. Severe problems? Another favorite of a fanboy. 3.5% of all Xbox 360s sold so far have had problems, which is WELL within normal ranges for an Electronic product's range. In addition, Repair/replacement is free for the Xbox 360.
8. What is that I remember about the PS2's DVD drive? That, and Sony forcing you to pay to have it fixed?
9. I'll be eagerly awaiting the PS3's power adaptor. The system is purportedly more powerful; that means extra power consumption, no?
10. $100 says people will bitch like crazy about the PS3 overheating at its launch. Look at the unit; there are only ventilation holes on its top! How does Sony plan on cooling that thing responsibily?
And to anyone complaining about the Xbox 360's launch titles, just sit back and think about the PS2's launch: The only thing worth getting (in North America, anyway) at launch was SSX. Not a single other game. Xbox 360 was way better than that. Call of Duty 2 was proof of this. Now, also think of this: The Xbox 1 had Halo at launch, one of the most critically acclaimed games of the time, and well-worth getting the box for. Xbox 1 still did horribly in comparison to the PS2. Even if the PS3 delivers a really, really good game at launch, will it matter? Only time will tell.
Even if you removed "Sony" and "Playstation" from the Engadget article, you'd know it was Engadget writing about Sony with very kitten-soft gloves on. Why? If it was 360-related news (or anything by Microsoft that even the most lame feel qualified to slag) there'd be a big nerdy smelling pile of crap on it.
SHUT THE FUCK UP
DAMN. Im sick of these hardware comparisons. Who cares about which one has slightly better hardware. Everyone should know it's all about the gameplay, and I highly doubt anyone will even be able to notice the difference in teh graphics between the two systems anyway.
so much crap about remembering the game after you play it a certain amount of times.360 way better
Sony needs for the Ps3 to do well. For all of you who don't know, allmost everything sony makes (aside from the PS2) is a either a piece of shit or is an over priced version of we can get somewhere else. Sony is putting all its eggs in one basket on this PS3, but don't you think by now, they know what there doing. Sit back and relax, MS's inexperiance will bite them in the ass (i.e. no HD-DVD - Dreamcast lacked DVD, thus it failed early) 360 is nice, so is my dreamcast.
"but the future of gaming is downloading games online, and XBox Live is incredible!"
i donn't know where the rest of my post went, but...
"but the future of gaming is downloading games online, and XBox Live is incredible!" = fanboi - how about support for aftermarket hard drives (250GB and maybe i'll go for it)
the real future of 360 is a mod chip and lots of torrent downloads. When this happens i'll get one.
PS3 Fans, STFU AND WAIT. Don't believe anything at this point.
Xbox Fans, STFU, My F***ing $500 Pc is better than that POS. Oh and 1280x720 (720P) isnt even high def, its just widescreen. 1920x1080 (1080P) Is true High def widescreen.
Did I also forget to mention that it has a SEVERE lack in games even at this point.(3 Months later) And I still dont even see a list of upcoming games, atleast ones that are good,(and Exclusive).
If you have an Xbox360 then go ahead and sell that piece and buy a new Gpu. Its ALOT more worth it.
Reguardless or whether the PS3 will suck or not, i'm going to get one because its an inexpensive Blu-ray player.
The ps3 was said to NOT have a HDD and instead use its own microdrive disks. you know, the 1cm x 2"x 2" disks, but i wouldnt believe that either.
Cost to manufacture and ship an Xbox360
NO$750 AT ALL infact its somewhere around $150-$200
They aren't losing any money at all. Yes if you were a consumer buying the parts individually, mabe. But for Micro-Shit(M$) things cost A LOAD less.
Sony are amazingly good at keeping unreleased product details under their hat. I don't think anyone's going to know anything until they're good and ready.
In my experience they normally bust out something better than you're expecting. I dunno this time. I'm expecting quite a lot.
You pos revolution fans and ps3 fans i dont understand. You are basing all of your facts on something you have never ever played or even seen in real life. The fact is that the xbox 360 is out RIGHT NOW and it is a pretty damn good system. YOu are retarded to start arguements about something that is still in theory and not finished. Sure the rev and ps3 will be good. How good we dont really know until we actually have them on store shelves. Keep your console fighting to yourselves until you actually own a both products to compare eachother to.
It's funny to hear Sony Fanboys talk about how impressive their system will be with its dual HDMI and Blu-Ray. It's even funnier to hear Nintendo Fanboys talk about their "Virtual Console" and their "innovative Controller".
In all honesty digital inputs such as HDMI or DVI are actually no better than Component Analog Video inputs. Here is a link to the website that explains throughly why you may have some misconceptions on Video input devices.
http://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/34579/122868.html
Also it's been said time again about Sony and it's failed formats. Some would say the past doesn't have anything to do with the future. Obviously it plays some role because Sony has yet to learn that using Propiertary Formats is not always the best option for the consumer. Betamax and MiniDisc haved both failed. Sony Memory Sticks can't begin to compare or compete with SD MMC cards. UMD is obviously Minidisc ressurected. They are expensive and the seeking time is not that great. You also cannot write to UMDs as there are presently no UMD writers. And when was the last time you popped in a UMD to some kind of device to watch the movies you already have on DVD? IF you want to play MP3s buy any commercial MP3 player. If you want to watch DVDs on the go there is something called portable DVD players. As for Blu-ray Sony is putting all it's money on a format that they assume will win. Bill Gates and Microsoft understand that the future is not new Optical Mediums but new ways utilizing Broadband to download media on demand. Also it's been shown that even High Def games don't require these High Capacity disks. With the proper compression developers have been able to shrink there games down to maximum effiency. Blu-ray will also be expensive. If you compare Blu-ray to HD-DVD you'll find BLu-ray cost as much as twice of its competitors. Take this into consideration to: pretend you're an average consumer (most likely does not have a clue what a Blu-Ray is or what Engadget is for that matter). You go in the store and see HD-DVD and Blu-Ray. Taking into mind you just bought a shiny new HD set. When you see the words HD -DVD you will automatically know "hey thats High Def DVD"; looking at Blu-ray the average consumer would probably be like WTF is that and why is it so expensive. This is the logic that average consumers look at. You think they care about whether something is 1080i or 1080p? Or 120fps as opposed to 60fps? How about Bluetooth vs. 2.4GHz Wireless. I doubt it. The consumer wants a good product for a decent amount of money. The problem with most of you guys here is you look at things from the geek perspective.
Anyways, Revolution will do very well in my opinion . Although I think the controller will no doubt alienate some gamers I think it will be successful. But to say it's truly innovative is kind of an overstatement. (N64 fanboys claimed their joystick was innovative, even though it was used generations before the N64, ever heard of Atari?) I mean it's innovative in the sense that it's a new input device but it does the same thing all controllers do: control games. I would like to see something that truly immerses the gamer into the experience. This is the step in the right direction. But here is my problem: Am I the only one sick of Mario, Zelda, Donkey Kong etc (I shall exclude Metroid). I mean come on it's like 1000 iterations of Mario. Mario DDR? come on that's B.S. What's next Mario Wars? Mario Pasta Attack 128, Mario Master Baiter, Fishing? How about a FPS Mario with mushroom rocket launchers. It's just ridiculous. Neither of those 1st party games are all that innovative. How about you introduce some new Characters, damn! Oh and this virtual console is lame. Go out and download an emulator if you want you nostalgia inducing games. Matter fact go to www.Mininova.org and download all the games to you are satisfied. Virtual Console is not an innovation it's just a bloated library of OLD games.
To all the Xbox 360 fans the time is well nigh, because our future of gaming is here! 360 fans need not wait for the Manufacturer to inform them on release dates. All games are 720p or 1080i, that's standard. Microsoft is going to be shipping out new console this Spring. 360 has a Hard drive, 360 has the best internet gaming ever to grace a console, 360 is also getting an external HD-DVD drive for those wanting to play HD movies, there is also a camera in development, as well as an assortment of upgrades and patches in the work to fix errors and to improve on media functionality. While it is not all here just yet, Microsoft believes it's customers should not only know what in store but what their getting. This is only phase 1. It's all about interativity and connectivity, Big Screens, and having Fun. The 360 is a tangible piece of equipment. And that's a sigh of relief! 06' will be a tremendous year.
@LongshotX #67
No one called the joystick on the N64 Revolutionary or anything, it really wasn innovative. It had all the controll of a regular joystick but only required the thumb which mean the rest of your hand was free for other buttons. It is innovative and very useful, just not that big of a deal.
As for the franchises I have never understood why people talk about the "ith" generation of Mario or Zelda games. I mean really, play Super Mario 1 and then Play Mario 64 and tell me they are the same kind of game. Same characters but Nintendo always offers a new kind of game. When Nintendo makes a sequal they generally offer brand new gameplay elements, when most other companies make a sequal they really just add new levels and graphical abilities.
As for emulators have you ever realized that the majority of gamers in the world don't even know of the existance of emulators? Besides, I will take playing my old games legally, with a superior form of control (keyboard sucks for platformers) also with added content which is something Nintendo has said it would do.
When I buy a console I buy a gaming machine, I don't want a "media center", I want a gaming machine. I don't want a new kind of DVD player or method of playing new kinds of DVD's, I want a gaming machine. I don't want to spend extra money buying features I don't want when a pure gaming machine is right there for me to buy for much cheaper. That is why Nintendo is getting my money this round, I am poor and I don't care about the added media functions of the other consoles. I just want my gaming machine. Besides, I always trust products dedicated to a certain task over products that aren't focused on one task.
It's funny to hear Sony Fanboys talk about how impressive their system will be with its dual HDMI and Blu-Ray. It's even funnier to hear Nintendo Fanboys talk about their "Virtual Console" and their "innovative Controller".
In all honesty digital inputs such as HDMI or DVI are actually no better than Component Analog Video inputs. Here is a link to the website that explains throughly why you may have some misconceptions on Video input devices.
http://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/34579/122868.html
Also it's been said time again about Sony and it's failed formats. Some would say the past doesn't have anything to do with the future. Obviously it plays some role because Sony has yet to learn that using Propiertary Formats is not always the best option for the consumer. Betamax and MiniDisc haved both failed. Sony Memory Sticks can't begin to compare or compete with SD MMC cards. UMD is obviously a form of Minidisc ressurected. They are expensive and the seeking time is horrible. You also cannot write to UMDs as there are presently no UMD writers/recorders. And when was the last time you popped in a UMD into some kind of device to watch the movies on your TV (That you most likely have already on DVD?) If you want to play MP3s buy any commercial MP3 player. If you want to watch DVDs on the go there is something called a portable DVD player. As for Blu-ray Sony is putting all it's money on a format that they assume will win. Bill Gates and Microsoft understand that the future is not new a Optical Format but new interative ways that utilize Broadband to download media on demand. Also it's been shown that even High Def games don't require these High Capacity disks. With the proper compression developers have been able to shrink their games down to maximum effiency. Blu-ray will also be very expensive. If you compare Blu-ray to HD-DVD you'll find Blu-ray costs as much as twice of its competitors. Take this into consideration to: pretend you're an average consumer (most likely someone who does not have a clue what a Blu-Ray is or what Engadget is for that matter). You go in the store and see HD-DVD and Blu-Ray. Taking into mind you just bought a shiny new HD set. When you see the words HD -DVD you will automatically know "Hey thats High Def DVD"; looking at Blu-ray the average consumer would probably be like WTF is that and why is it so expensive? This is the logic that average consumers look at. You think they care about whether something is 1080i or 1080p? Or 120fps as opposed to 60fps? How about Bluetooth vs. 2.4GHz Wireless. I doubt it. The consumer wants a good product for a decent amount of money. The problem with most of you guys here is you look at things from the geek perspective.
Anyways, Revolution will do very well in my opinion . Although I think the controller will no doubt alienate some gamers I think it will be successful. But to say it's truly innovative is kind of an overstatement. (N64 fanboys claimed their joystick was innovative, even though it was used generations before the N64, ever heard of Atari?) I mean it's innovative in the sense that it's a new input device but it does the same thing all controllers do: control games. I would like to see something that truly immerses the gamer into the experience. However this is the step in the right direction. But here is my problem: Am I the only one sick of Mario, Zelda, Donkey Kong etc (I shall exclude Metroid). I mean come on there are like 1000 iterations of Mario. Mario DDR? come on that's B.S. What's next Mario Wars? Mario Pasta Attack 128, Mario Master Baiter, Fishing? How about a FPS Mario with mushroom rocket launchers. It's just ridiculous. Neither of those 1st party games are all that innovative. How about you introduce some new Characters, damn! Oh and this virtual console is lame. Go out and download an emulator if you want you nostalgia inducing games. Matter fact go to www.Mininova.org and download all the games to you are satisfied. Virtual Console is not an innovation it's just a bloated library of OLD games.
To all the Xbox 360 fans the time is well nigh, because our future of gaming is here! 360 fans need not wait for the manufacturer to inform them on release dates. All games are 720p or 1080i, that's standard. Microsoft is going to be shipping out new consoles this Spring. 360 has the Hard drive with larger ones on the way, 360 also has the best internet gaming ever to grace a console (Have you been on the new live, it's incredible!), 360 is also getting an external HD-DVD drive for those wanting to play HD movies, there is also a camera in development, as well as an assortment of upgrades and patches in the work to fix errors and to improve on media functionality. While it is not all here just yet, Microsoft believes it's customers should not only know what in store but what their going getting. But this is only phase 1. It's all about interativity and connectivity, big Screens, and having Fun. The 360 is a tangible piece of equipment, that can be played and utilized to it's desired intent, NOW! And that's a sigh of relief!
I am seriously doubting how the ps3 will cope with a flood of xbox360s coming to market in the very near future.(reported to be a matter of weeks).
i know there is a small part of the market that would be able to afford hardware and games for both consoles...and there is another slightly larger part of the market that would buy the ps3 if it were a giant sausage meatloaf with the cell chip inside.
However, majority of the market are those who will only ever buy one console because buying games and accesories for one console is enough.(usually mums and dads who are on a budget, or who just dont see the need for two consoles in the home...)
If these one-time buyers all of sudden have access to an xbox360, M$oft just might be able to wrestle market share away.
the only way sony would win the console back from that situation, would be to produce a system that is not of of this earth, which was how it was originally marketed by sony.
the smoke is clearing however, and the original shadow the ps3 cast over the xbox360 is becoming less and less warranted as more and more details emerge(all unverifiable of course)
phillipes, you are 14, and know about as much about the revolution as everyone else, which is nothing.
the only one getting pissed off is you, the only that cares about what you just said is you.the only one affected by your insults is you.
you are a bigot, and a hypocrite. and deserve to be insulted and made a fool of by others, why, because you are no different...you also...insult others, and seek to make a fool of others...
i hope you get offended every day of your miserable, angry, selfish, self-exalting, self-loving, self absorbed, self-centerd,self-masturbating life. and may love never ever ever find you.
may every girl(or guy if thats what your into)see you for a toad and a moron, and hate you for it. because that is what you and every other bigot and fanboy in this life deserve.
We all knew Sony was gonna have problems with this PS3, and this early reports confirms what we thought all along.
Just further reinforces my desire to get a Revolution and Xbox 360 instead.
Well as usually the bashing seems to be much more prevalent then people actually comparing ideas and indulging in rational and sane conversation about any certain topic. The other thing I am starting to see and laugh at is the people who seem to have friends who work with Dev kits. You can not tell me that they let you play with it, or have told you about it. Anyone that would have access to something like that would have to sign away their life away along with their present or future first born child to a Non Disclosure Agreement. So all their comments about specs and game play I would take with a grain of meth.
The voices of reason here seem to echo occasionally saying the quality of the games will make the system. I think this is going to be what will determine what system becomes the popular system. When it comes to game developing allot has to do with the Development kits, and courting the developers. Getting exclusive titles on your systems forces those of us who are hard core gamers to buy multiple systems. But the majority of gamers will only purchase one system. Then the question is which system will you go with. If you have a Sony system right now, odds are you will buy another Sony product. If you have an Xbox you will buy another Xbox product. I would guess that only a very small percentage of consumers switch brands. Because you get comfortable with the way things are done with your system of choice. The other thing that falls into play with the games is this online play. And nobody but nobody better say that Sony does this better then Microsoft. LIVE is by far the best online service out there. And to the people who complain about having to pay for that service are either to poor to afford and just complain to make themselves believe that they really do not want it, or they are really not that serious of gamers. The fact of downloading retro games, new maps, trailers and demos for new games is the only way to go. Having only one screen name to give people you want to play online with is worth the $70 in itself. Having a consistent user interface that works the same way with all games is also worth the $70. The headset that comes with the PS2 is the worse then anything that the Xbox has to offer. The standard Xbox headset is much better let alone the various wireless headset options that are available on the Xbox.
There is allot of people who are all excited about this Blu-Ray drive, and who are really touting the large capacity of storage for games. And while this is a very exciting option, I am really concerned what they are going to charge for a game that has all this content. And this I am not just bashing the Sony Blu-Ray, I am also talking about the possible HD-DVD that Microsoft is talking about. Sure it would be great for an RPG to have seven or eight times the content. But developers have to develop that content, and they are sure not going to eat that cost. Xbox 360 games are coming out at $60 each, what will they charge for games that come on Blu-Ray or HD-DVD? Now if people can not bash one format or another and talk ways that developers can produce games with all that content with out increasing the prices a whole lot, that is an online conversation I would like to get involved with. The other conversation I would love to start is these video game consoles becoming the electronic entertainment center. While I will be the first say that I was glad that the Xbox 1 and the PS2 both had DVD drives in them (and I love the fact that the PSP plays music and video). For people on the go that travel for their jobs it is really nice to have a multi functioning machine. That said, I am not really sure that these machines need to all this fancy stuff. I do like the fact that I can plug an iPod into the 360 and play my own play list of songs instead of the music that comes with it. And I am sure PS3 will do something similar. But hooking up to a Windows Media center and displaying pictures and what not is not real high on my priority list.
Allot of the Xbox guys are bashing Sony for the two HDMI ports and being able to run games on multiple monitors. I applaud Sony for this. Today with the cost of HDTVs the idea of running two 1080p screens is not a feature that will be feasible to most but who knows in three or four years the cost may have come down to the point that we will wonder how we ever played games on one screen.
As regards the Sony fans that say that the 360s launch titles suck. Obviously you have not played PGR3, Call of Duty 2, Kameo, and Condemned. While none of these are got to have games, they are incredible games to play. Also try to remember back when the PS2 came out it too lacked the must have game. And right now there is nobody promising that got to have it game for the PS3, so until they do I would warn anyone about casting stones.
I have noticed that allot of people are ripping on Microsoft for being short of systems to sell. But I myself find it a little offensive that Sony always gives the Japanese market six months or more head start on a console before North America and even longer wait for Europe. I think Microsoft really tried to make every market feel just as important and not alienate based of national pride.
And finally to all the Revolution fans especially phillipes, after the last console that your company released you better just piped down until the new Revolution ships. The game cube is the worst console I have seen in years.
Phillipes, like you said you are 14 years old. I was playing video games 10 years before you were nothing more then the glimmer in the eye of two people at a Nirvana concert. You should not be bashing any systems, or companies yet. Children really should be reading what the big people have to say, and not be writing to much.
To quote a movie that I think summarizes most of the comments that phillipes, #63, #62, #27, #18, #14, #5 - What you've just said....is one of the most insanely idiotic things I've ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response was there anything that could even be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it.
#54: I really do not think that the 360 will be the unchallenged leader in the second gen game systems. In fact I will be shocked if they tie Sony in number of consoles sold. Dont get me wrong I am more of an Xbox fan then a PS2 fan butthe last numbers that I saw Sony has 70% of the market right now Microsoft in second and Nintendo in third. And I do not even thing Microsoft is expecting to come out ahead of Sony this go around. I think they are thinking they will finally topple Sony at best three to four generations from now. But I do agree with you the PSP is a killer hand held, they just need to get the online stuff improved with it.
#60: Dream Cast only failed in Japan because it did not have a DVD player in it. In the US it did quite well until SEGA announced that it had stopped production of them. I do agree with you the future of gaming (let alone all media music, and movies) is online. And like I said no one can question that online is one area Sony really needs to address with the PS3 to make it a competitive option in this next gen console war.
#62: You can see that you were included with the other idiotic statements. Anyone in the industry will tell you that the 360 specs are about $1500.
#52: I have to agree with you. Sony is not really handling this real well. They should be keeping their fans up to date with where the project is at. I bet they would not enjoy it if the people making their processors or video cards or what not kept them in the dark.
#48: I really liked your comments, although I am the exact opposite of you (and I think you are about the only person on earth that would say that the PS2 line up was what was needed). I have both systems, but since I had the Xbox first I seem to enjoy the way it runs. If games come out on both versions, I usually end up purchasing the Xbox version unless I have allot of friends that have both then I usually end up getting both. While MS has said that it will stop producing Xbox 1 games, 3rd party developers would be foolish to believe that is a dead market. Allot of the people who have 360s will now sell their Xbox 1 and those people will still buy games, plus Xbox 1 is still selling good. I find the game play especially online to be much more rewarding with Xbox. But the PS2 has some incredible games God of War, SOCOM, Katamari, and Ratchet & Clank. But when it comes to Rainbow Six, Splinter Cell, Black, Grand Theft Auto and other I think the graphics are much better and online and the single player are better. Although I do find it funny how the 360 control is starting to look more and more like the PS2 controller. No decent games? Really, it depends on the genre that you like to play. But Gun, Kameo, Call of Duty, Project Gotham 3, and Condemned are all excellent games.
#31: The pretty much seems to sum up a majority of the comments here, and anywhere there is a comparison of competing products.
#29: I am not sure I agree that the PS3 is Sony last hope. When it comes to electronics I almost exclusively buy Sony (TV, Digital Camera, PSP, DVD player, VCR back in the day, but I do have a Dell computer). I think when it comes to electronics Sony is one of the industry leading producers. When it comes to software I am still really pissed about Sony loading software that can let just about anyone onto my computer and then not even releasing an apology for that. This also has me concerned about what their online service might be like.
#23: Well I am sorry you did not enjoy your purchase I bet if you put your 360 on EBay you will get all your money back and probably a little more since there is still a shortage. I know how you feel I bought a Nintendo DS and feel as though the games that are out there for that are really not worth the money. I love my PSP. But saying that the 360 is almost the same thing as the original Xbox would be like comparing the PS1 to the PS2.
#12: Oh WOW where to begin to respond to your comments. First of all if you are going to bash Microsoft about their power supply try to remember back when the PS2 first came out, there were problems with the DVD Drives in them. And unlike Sony, Microsoft at least stepped up to the plate and has offered to fix the defective power supplies at no charge. Where as Sony charged its customers a fee to get their DVD drives fixed so maybe the head guy at Sony should have told his goones to try to look up the term customer service in the dictionary. Second if you think that a cable is going to make a system 100 times better you should just buy art paintings to look at, since you do not seem to appreciate real game play.
#9: I think you are completely right all will be decided by the skills of the developers. Has anyone seen the demo version of EAs game Black. The graphics on that are incredible (I still can not believe they did not put any multi player in it!). In fact I would say that the Xbox Demo version that I played is just as good if not better then a few of the games that I have played on the 360. I agree also that if Sony does not release its system this year it will be very hard to play catch up to the 360. Because the 360 developers will be getting very proficient at programming and the titles coming out for the 360, and the PS3 will only be at its launch level yet. I have also heard they really courted the third party developers and that the Dev Kits for the 360 were super easy to use, and delivered very early. But I would expect that from a company whose business is based on software development.
#6: I never thought of it until you said something. Paying $100 bucks for a 20 gig drive is very strange unless you are paying for the strange connection style.
There are many comments here about the lack of 360 games for launch and how there arent any good games currently.
On March 2, Ghost Recon will be available. That same month will be Final Fantasy 11, which I am currently playing on beta. And by the end of the second quarter we will have Gears of War and Morrowind Oblivion. These are all fantastic games. I've seen them, i ve even played (briefly) some of them. The good games are justa round the corner and Microsoft let the developers take their sweet time so the games would actually be worth it.
Blu_ray isnt as fabulous as it sounds, esp when considering the difficulty Sony is going to have trying to make the system backwards compatible because of the BR. No hard drive and no online community...so I'd buy a game once, finish it and get the next quickie game asap? Why when my 60 bucks goes alonger way on the 360. These are games I can keep playing for years thanks to online support. The list of exclusives are narrowing as well with square enix breaking into the microsoft playing field...
The systems' sales and games speak for themselves, SONY is clearly superior. I love knowing that Gates doesn't have the monopoly on this form of popular software. All I've experianced is that when it comes to "defenders" of the xbox, they tend to be 12 years old, or at least have the mentality of a 12 year old. If something sux, that's when you're going to hear the biggest wankers whining about it. Take Fox news for example.
Well for those of you all thrilled over yay the ps3 is gonna have a bluray, all i can say is good luck with your load times, the bluray 1x drive that is expected to debut in the ps3 has a read time thats is almost 1/3rd the time of the dvd12x, and the 2x thats as fast as the slowest dvd12x, is far to expensive for sony to handle...
it's funny how dedicated people are to the ps2 and xbox and revolution when you sit back and watch its quite funny im a ms fanboy and ill admit it im getting a 360 cause xbox live has always been great to me and i love the games that are on the way, especially Ghostrecon and prey, just to name a few i cant wait to rock with some demo's especially of fight night 3, i swear if they would port vonogo to the x360 i'd die and go to heaven. Because all the 360 needs is an iptv provider and ill be estatic!
Also for those of you with your "xbox360 not faster than my UberPC" guess what, dont be so happy with your pc, as the farcry demo showed, even water alone shows how powerful the 360 is over the pc for gaming, even with settings at ULTRA which 90% of peoples pc's cant handle... for those of you that havent seen it
http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/10229/Far-Cry-Instincts-PREDATOR-Xbox-360-vs-PC-Water-Comparison/
OOOOHHHH and as a little tap for those ps3 fanatics, there have been a few interviews done with different developers i just read one today, it seems that sony's marketing machine and there "we have 1080p" was a load of cr*p. It appears that the real next gen titles for the ps3 are all 720p same as the xbox360.
Just another side thought here, if the dvd movies on bluray are 20% more than dvd, does that mean the bluray games will be 20% more as well?
huuuuuuuuuh how can u say the gamecube was the worst system? dreamcast was the worst system. it got its ass kicked by nintendo so bad sega had to quit manufacturing dreamcasts and port all the games to the gamecube. lol thats jus sad.
p.s. stay tuned for the first xbox 360 and ps3 series of flaws,hosted by phillipes. thats me!
phillipes you liddle diddle twiddlin monkeys biatch. understand that i am very much hetero-sexual. and that i am a fan of the nintendo, supernintendo and n64.
but to say that the gamecube owned the xbox and the ps2 is pure fanboy bullshite. the xbox owned both ps2 and gamecube in specs, and that is the truth.
who will win the next generation, currently, it is the xbox...by default...
the ps3, and the revolution are an unknown commodity at the moment...in other words, YOU DONT KNOW SHITE ABOUT SHITE over the revolution...
you are the kind of moron that would buy the nintendo revolution if it were a baked brick of HorseShit with a graphics chip sellotaped to the side of it,and used cassette tapes from games media, that you have to re-subscribe to every week.
and why would you do it. because you are a retard, whose brain is blue and black because your mum has to slap you every time she sees you for being so fucken stoopid looking...
I am not a fanboy...I just buy the best...nothing but the best...Grade A... top shelf...pimped out shit....AND NO LESS...
phillipes you liddle diddle twiddlin monkeys biatch. understand that i am very much hetero-sexual. and that i am a fan of the nintendo, supernintendo and n64.
but to say that the gamecube owned the xbox and the ps2 is pure fanboy bullshite. the xbox owned both ps2 and gamecube in specs, and that is the truth.
who will win the next generation, currently, it is the xbox...by default...
the ps3, and the revolution are an unknown commodity at the moment...in other words, WE, I, YOU, US, THEM...DONT KNOW SHITE ABOUT SHITE over the revolution...
you are the kind of moron that would buy the nintendo revolution if it were a baked brick of HorseShit with a graphics chip sellotaped to the side of it,and used cassette tapes for games media, that you have to re-subscribe to every week.
and why would you do it. because you are a retard, whose brain is blue and black from beatings at the hands of your mum who had to slap you every time she saw you for being so fucken stoopid looking...
I am not a fanboy...I just buy the best...nothing but the best...Grade A... top shelf...pimped out shit....AND NO LESS...
Real Nintendo fans don't spam, real Nintendo fans understand that flaming gets them no where. It is blatantly obvious that you are not Nintendo fan, or at least you are a very moronic one.
You are giving us regular Nintendo fans a bad name so I say this Phillips, shut up.
I think trying to use blue ray disk as a selling point for sony is very dubious at best. They are going to fight a format war with a video game machine. HDTV in the US is only at about 7% market saturation. In other words most people will not care if it has a blue ray disk or not. It comes down to the games. No doubt sony and microsoft will have some great games coming out, all else is just smoke and mirrors.
I am not a fanboy, and was patiently waiting for the PS3 to come out before I made my purchase but then had a Xbox360 literally fall into my lap at Best Buy this weekend (premium model).
I have it hooked up to my 56" Samsung DLP and am playing Call of Duty 2 in 1080i format. This BLOWS away PS2 and Xbox games period.. There is no comparison.
As for the PS3, I am still waiting to see what happens (worse case I Ebay my 360 and buy a PS3), but I am having more and more doubts about:
- The release date. It is looking more and more like it is going to be late 05.. By then the 360 will be in 6-10 million homes BEFORE XMAS 06...
- The price. There is no doubt that the PS3 will have some great features (Blue-ray), but this is going to come at a price. Either Sony takes a bath and loses billions, or we pay more (I am guessing $100-200 more than the 360).
- The price of games. It has been reported that BR disc games for the PS3 could cost $70 or more.. Ouch..
- Online play.. Xbox 360 Live is really cool. If Sony cannot come to market with something similar this is going to be a huge advantage for MS. Bigger than Blue-ray in my book...
- While on paper, the PS3 looks as though it will be superior to the 360, but will it? It will take years for developers to start developing games to the true potential of the systems (and 360 developers will be well ahead of PS3 developers becasue of the head start). It has also been reported that the PS3 will be harder to develop for than the 360.. This could be a huge as well. In the end 360 games may actaully look better if they are easier and faster to develop.
- Microsoft. I am a huge Apple (Mac) fan, and I have watched Microsoft take over a market with an inferior product. Bill Gates is not stupid. When the PS3 is released, you better expect some big news from MS. I would not put it past him to reduce the prices on the 360 before Xmas by as much as $100.. This would crush Sony since they would not be able to do the same with the PS3. While the PS3 may look better on paper, the 360 could win the marathon based on price, availability (you know the PS3 will have huge supply issues), games selection, and marketing...
- Halo3. Another conspiracy theory that I have is that MS bundles this at Xmas with the 360 at the current prices.. This would be huge...
- Blueray. I know that this is a big advantage over the 360 on paper, but from a gaming perspective how big is this? Does anybody expect to see 30-50GB games in the near future, and if so at what cost? More content = more money for developers (and more time)..
Can't wait to watch it all happen... In the meantime, I will fire up Call of Duty 2 and go crazy in HD..
GAMES MAKE THE CONSOLE
As a Mac user, I just dont see how so many people dont get it about Microsoft. Sure, I'm biased. Very biased. However, it seems that nobody notices their unforgiving business tactics.
Bill Gates is indeed a genius: a business genius. He bought an OS from someone, and is now using that same tactic to butt into every other aspect of electronics.
Microsoft's business practice is (they even say this) to not invest in something until it has been proven profitable. They don't have thinktanks coming up with creative ideas, they have eyes on everyone else looking for their creative ideas to either buy or take.
EX1: Netscape Navigator. They were hugely successful, and made lots of money with their browser. M$ says: Hey, we want in. They drew up a crappy browser called Internet Exploder. It was buggy as hell. Then, they offered it free. Netscape couldn't afford to make theirs free, it's how they got by. M$ could. They even forced manufacturers to not put Navigator on new PCs, even on buyer request, threatening to remove their Windows licences. Not like Netscape or anyone else could do anything about it. And, to finally wipe out any chance of Netscape users, they completely wired Internet Explorer (buggy as it was) to BROWSE THE FILE SYSTEM, making it so you couldn't even take it off. (Someone tried to make a hack to be able to take it off, and M$ sued.)
EX2: Windows Vista. For those of you who don't know, it's the new Windows OS coming out this year. It has a new interface called Aero. (Mac OS has the Aqua interface.) It lets you zoom out from all your windows, letting you select one to bring to the front. (Mac OS has had that for a year or two.) It can show you thumbnails of documents, even items on the task bar. (Mac added minimizing to a thumbnail a while ago, and you get the first snippet of text from text documents, much like they suggest.) Vista has Find by Content Indexing, where everything is always indexed all the time without slowing down your computer or a long wait to index. You can then search for this in the task bar, searching even through emails and pictures, and adding special keywords (metadata) to certain documents. (Neat, huh? It was a KEY feature of the last version of the Mac OS. Everything indexed, metadata, all types of documents, search-as-you-type, the whole thing. The little search icon is even copied from Mac, only Vista's is a mirror image.) They have semi-transparent windows to minimize the OS's distractiveness. (Guess what? Mac had this capability in an earlier version, but got rid of it since noone used it. Microsoft saw complaints about their OS getting in the way, I guess, and thought, 'What can we steal to deal with this problem? By the way, Mac can't sue them because of a contract they signed one of the times that Bill had to save Apple or the anti-trust lawsuits would knock him over, but he can copy any of the 'look and feel' he wants to.)
They even have special mini-apps on the desktop that integrate and get info from the internet, called 'Gadgets'. (Apple's latest version advertised Dashboard, which had the same essential function except they were called 'Widgets'. A patent proves that this was really not M$'s fault and was a coincidence, but it is a VERY eerie coincidence.) And to top it all off, security: To keep a virus from getting into admin privileges without you being able to stop it b/c you are logged IN as admin, any high operation requires you to enter your administrator password, just like the Mac OS does. Except, they don't even do it right, at least not in the beta. Many applications (most that are third party) violate the Windows system of where parts of a program should go (ie. don't put preferences in the Program Files). If an app violates this, then you must provide your admin password EVERY TIME YOU OPEN THE APPLICATION.
If you think I'm pulling your leg, watch these videos-
Episode 1- < http://homepage.mac.com/lasolas/.Public/real_vista_ep1_h264.mov >
Episode 2- < http://homepage.mac.com/lasolas/.Public/real_vista_ep2_h264.mov >
Episode 3- < http://homepage.mac.com/lasolas/.Public/real_vista_ep3_h264.mov >
You will need the Quicktime plugin.
The above are videos of the Mac OS, with audio from a presentation of Vista right on top of them. It is astounding how far Microsoft goes.
EX3: The only, ONLY games that ensured that ANYONE would have an XBOX were Halo and its sequel. They are awesome games. They are also made by Bungie. Bungie was bought by Microsoft. Bungie had always made very good games.
For Mac. Bungie made Mac games. I have all their old ones except for the Myth series. You should play Oni, they ported it to Windows. And the Marathon Series, Halo's predecessor (Also ported now). I find it funny that a MAC GAME COMPANY helped propel M$ into the gaming market.
I wouldn't trust a company like M$. I wouldn't trust it to care about the quality of my hardware at all (esp. since some of the X360s shipped without fans. FANS!!) Sony I still don't blindly trust, as Sony Records has done some truly dispicible things (*AHEM*rootkit*AHEM*). But M$, I wouldn't trust them at all. Did you know that they have (on MANY occasions) paid employees to post good things about Windows on the internet? I expect that they do the same about the X360. In fact there is almost no doubt in my mind, due to the freedom and "googlability" of this forum, that AT LEAST A FEW of the people who posted those ridiculous ($750 to make an X360?!?) pro-M$ posts only do it because they rely on sustenance from an M$ paycheck. Sad that they have to pay people to do this, eh?
I'm not saying go Sony (I'd go Revolution myself, imagine Resident Evil 4 with the controller!), all I'm saying is DON'T TRUST MICROSOFT, and keep a skeptical eye to posters of ridiculous info (*COUGH*friend who*COUGH*beta tests*COUGH COUGH*ps3). I'm sure, due to their previous business tactics, that M$ has a role to play in a rumor or two.
Actually, RE5 will be PS and XBOX, no plans for revolution as of yet.
One last thing, the things like $750 to make an X360 or $900 for a PS3:
#1- The Wal-Mart principle. If you buy in bulk, you can cut big deals with the manufacturer. Also, manufacturer/factory direct = lots of saved moolah.
#2- Marketing time. M$ could have waited until their system was profitable, and they had lots of units. However, getting a few units now (look how few there are on store shelves), getting the message out, getting people to PLAY it and experience it, and (most importantly) GETTING THERE FIRST even at the cost of the consumer (shipping w/o fans), amounts to a whole darn lot of worthy investment. Consider their initial losses "advertising".
They aren't losing that much money. And what they do lose can be considered 'well-spent'. Go ahead and count how many people have posted already how 'they have their X360 NOW', are 'playing it RIGHT NOW'. M$ could have done a launch with tons of units and profit, without buggy systems, right around the same time as the other next-gens. But that wouldn't hurt Sony's sales enough, would it?
One more fact: How can anyone beta test a machine when it's processor (cell processor) hasn't even been developed yet?
Q: If the new "CELL" CPU was going to be so great why did Apple leave this PowerPC developed platform for Intel?
A: You need to pay Sony a license fee to use it. Quantity and time-to-market is an issue. You have to use Sony compilers and tools. PPC is infamous for backward-compatibility issues -- will Cell do better? Cell needs fast memory to work well.
And, of course, Cell is a good vector processor, but its scalar performance isn't that good. Scalar performance matters more to proper OSes and applications. Most existing tools are designed for scalar processing and won't see a benefit without proper recoding, especially since the SPE cores have scratch memory, not caches. Vector ops are for eye candy, and Macs come with lousy video/audio hardware out-of-the-box, anyway.
There are lots of reasons why massive vector cores with a piddling scalar core do not belong in a PC. Eventually, PC CPUs will integrate a dedicated vector core, but there will have to be a good set of math/physics APIs available (like a DirectX tool), before it will become practical for the desktop. The whole point of an OS, after all, is to establish a software platform so programmers can pretty much ignore the hardware. It's a very differnt design philosophy.
Really, XBox 360 is better suited for today's coding practices. Cell is a good idea in theory, but it's too narrowly focused on supercomputer technology. I mean, Sony wanted Cell to do all the graphics, and it wasn't until they did some real-world benchmarks before they realized a purpose-built GPU still does the job better. Cell has been adapted to a traditional role as a CPU, but it has its own flaws and bottlenecks. That's why developers like XBox 360 better. Fewer quirks.
Here's a GameSpot article about the components of the PS3 and X360, and why they cost so much:
< http://www.gamespot.com/news/6144790.html >
Microsoft seems to be paying between $501 and $525 per box, and Sony will be paying somewhere between $725 and $905 per box.
One more reason to not trust Microsoft: Direct X 10. It will come with Vista and be an upgrade for XP users. They say it uses the system much better and will lead to faster, better graphics. However, first off, the system requirements are basically the best currently available graphics cards. Second, it is NOT BACKWARDS COMPATIBLE with other Direct X versions. Games that used the older versions must be run in a SOFTWARE EMULATION MODE. What does this mean? Every single PC game you are currently playing will run in a slower emulation mode.
Some of you may be thinking, "well, I wasn't planning on getting Vista anyway, so I just wont upgrade". Well guess what? Halo 2 for PC will be VISTA ONLY.
I know that this is very much like Mac OS X, which has to run OS 9 apps in an emulation mode. However, Apple had to give their OS a brain transplant if they wanted to move to Intel processors (which they have considered since OS X started), and Intel and OS 9 don't mix. Secondly, very little of the Mac OS user base consisted of gamers. Microsoft doesn't have to change their graphics system, it isn't crucial. Also they aren't changing the OS, which is for everybody: They are changing the GRAPHICS DRIVER, which is especially FOR GAMERS. They are forcing gamers to upgrade to Vista, and thereby forcing them to shell out the money for a better video card when they don't need one.
In fact, because of Vista's hardware requirements, they are forcing EVERYBODY to upgrade their computers, just like they force people to buy the full X360 rather than what they made a ridiculous, ripoff version of what might possibly be considered a 'core' system (No backward-compatibility? No CONTROLLER?). It's funny how M$ teams up with hardware developers: XP has much less in graphical effects and 'pizazz' than OS X, and yet is slightly more hardware taxing. Vista has DOUBLE XP's requirements, but looks graphically similar to it's half-requirement counteroffer, OS X. Is it sloppy coding, hardware manufacturer deals, or a combination? (Yeah, it's probably a combination.)
Again, as I said before, don't trust Micro$oft.
PS: Once again, keep in mind that I am a biased Mac user. But also keep in mind what I said!
revolution is betta den xbox 360. xbox 360 is fast,but revolution is fasta and has betta quality den 360. and 360 freezes and breaks down
revolution rules,xbox 360 is shiot and it overheats and its game quality is horrible
The Revolution will NOT be faster than the 360 by ANY means. It uses slower processors and lower specs in general. However, the Revolution WILL most likely be cheaper than the X360 or PS3, which is its major strength in the console battle besides its game quality. And, though there ARE crashing/overheating X360s, it isn't ALL or most of them. The X360 is better built and less buggy than any Windows PC, at least. But PS3 and Revo are still better, especially in the way they haven't been rushed into the market WITH buggy models or little availability. The X360 in my opinion is the best product that M$ makes besides their (overpriced) Microsoft Office and their (admittedly, awesome) computer mice.
It's just that not even those are of great quality, due to the way they market them:
--X360's buggy, unavailable early release
--M$ Office's stale code and HIGH price, esp. considering that you get the same in OpenOffice < http://www.openoffice.org/ > and Openoffice is free
--Windows is bug-ridden, virus-ridden, and stinks to high heaven
Their mice, actually are GREAT for gaming, get the cheaper, cream-colored, 5-button Intellimouse with scroll wheel, I've had five of them that have worked for years. They are cheap, VERY customizable, have nice long cords, and last a long time. (their new mice are too pricey, without much difference besides horizontal scrolling)
It's kind of sad that all M$ can do right is mice, cause besides those, their BEST products aren't up to par with their competitors'. Too bad for us that Bill's such a marketing genius.
well revolution could be faster than xbox 360 and ps3,jus like gamecube was faster than ps2,and it had better graphics. M$ rushed the xbox 360,trying to be first out of the gate,and the xbox 360 worked like crap(jus like the ps2) nintendo is actually taking time to devolop it,so they don't hav to remake it jus like they had to remake ps2 3 times since it had so many flaws.
Of course gamecube had better specs than the PS2, the PS2 came out first. In many cases, the ones that come later are better. A current exception, though, is Nintendo's new console. They have said clearly that they will not get involved in the 'spec war' between Sony and M$, and the Revolution uses (was it 3?) G5 processors. It will not be faster or otherwise more capable than either the X360 or PS3. Nintendo does not want to build a system that does the same things better, they want one that does new things, take their controller and system size, that push the boundaries and allow for better games.
Think that the controller is a bomb? Sony begs to differ. They have already commissioned a subsidiary to make a device that seems startlingly like it, although it has a gun rather than a 'remote'. (They are copying it before it's even out! No wonder it was a secret for so long.) Nintendo is pushing the barriers, shifting paradigms, and I can't wait to see the awesome games yet to come. In my opinion this outweighs their flaws, but that's just me. We'll just have to see what happens.
Sony's systems have had excellent games and have stood the test of time very well. Who could have imagined that it would still lead against a system that is over twice as fast and three times as capable (XBOX)? I enjoy their products and, though some of their business practices are questionable (rootkits), they still churn out reliable, fun, quality products.
M$ is awful. They made a POLICY out of the lack of innovation, with a business policy that they never do ANYTHING that someone else hasn't done first. < http://www.siliconvalleysleuth.com/2005/11/microsoft_memo_.html >
In fact, I dare someone to find something that they came up with themselves < http://www.vcnet.com/bms/departments/innovation.shtml > (That link is to a website that still attempts to find M$'s few innovations. So far, well, there's Microsoft Bob, and that talking paper clip.) Innovation is what keeps technology moving forward, and its a wonder how this company got so successful without any. Lack of innovation is dangerous, and this company's efforts to spread it (through buying companies or stealing their ideas) are dangerous to all of us. The X360 is one of the best products M$ has ever made, but that's no compliment. They rushed into the market with very few systems, some buggy, so they could get you Sony bashers to believe that Sony is way too late.
If your car 'crashed' every week or so, you'd get another. If your microwave oven got a virus and stopped working, you'd complain and replace it. If your deadbolt was 'buggy' and your house got robbed, I guarantee you that you'd jump right into that class-action lawsuit. But when your PC crashes every other day, you just ignore it. Why? Computers shouldn't be that way, they SHOULD'NT crash, or be vulnerable to such viruses. And yet, this company has succeeded in not only selling you a sloppy, unimaginative, crappy product, but brainwashed you into overlooking the many flaws. Stop trusting M$. (Be enlightened: < http://www.microsuck.com/ > )
Go Revolution, or go PS3. Just, at LEAST, don't go with M$.
revolution is coming out the latest,so it will have pretty good hardware. hopefully it wont freeze and overheat like that xbox 360 shit,and ps3. revolution may not hav HD,but it has possible 3-d projectional graphics! thats the first gaming console ever to do that. and plz dont tell me sony is stealing ideas from nintendo again. haven't they stole enuf? they stole the online connection idea,rumble pack,analog stick,shoulder buttons,SNES like controller design for the psone,you name it. nintendo is gonna beat sony and M$,revolution was the most anticipated in the polls at joystick.com,and it has a grip on the market with its price. bye bye M$,say hello to sega for me =)
"3-D projectional graphics" are not possible. There is no way you can 'tell' light to stop in mid-air, and then turn around and go to the user's eyes. The only '3-D' you'll ever get is through a specialized polarized TV screen that sends different images to both eyes, or 3-D glasses, neither of which are likely for the revolution.
Also, unless Nintendo has delays (which is unlikely, all the hardware has already been developed), the Revolution will be here a bit before the PS3. Also, to everyone else, the PS3 is going to be out at LEAST before years end. Sony will see to it, because they know that few will wait until 2007, and by then the hardware will seem old, anyway. Sony WILL release it this year, because they can't afford not to, and they know that.
Third, everybody steals from everybody, I just dislike it when copying is mistaken for 'innovation'. Nintendo is the gaming industry's definition of innovation. M$ is the WORLD's definition of the LACK of innovation. I just hope that Sony and M$ don't steal the controller idea, and then it becomes successful and people say, "Wow! What a creative idea! Bill Gates must be a genius!" while the real creators of this awesome idea fade into the dust of all the good, honest, INNOVATIVE companies that M$ has chewed its way through over years. "Wow, PivotTables! Wow, a taskbar! Wow, folders! Wow, asking for the admin password to protect from viruses! Wow, find by content indexing! Wow, (insert any idea here that MicroSuck DIDN'T MAKE THEMSELVES!!!)"
The worst part is that, due to their underhanded business practices, they aren't slowing down, using their gargantuan influence to take down all the CREATIVE, INNOVATIVE, HONEST COMPANIES THAT KEEP TECHNOLOGY AND THE WORLD MOVING FORWARD.
Which explains just why I'm willing to game on a Mac, even though I thereby miss Half-Life 2. I know, I'm crazy. And as for the console war, I'm waiting for the other systems to see what happens.
Who the Fuck is worried about HD-DVD and a blu ray or a red ray disc player when were talking and about games not dvd movies you fucking dick heads. years ago ya'll did'nt worry about HD it here ok xbox has it how much more clear do need it? Do you Fucking guys need glasses or something?
but about ps3 do listen to everything you hear just be cool and wait. as far as 360 go its a good machine but
why bring all the firepower for the machine when millions of people still play xbox?do you think game companies are cut there own throat buy releasing 360 games better than current-gen when current has all of the customers due to the fact that 360 is limited?
(Why do you think Sports titles are not a good as their weaker counterparts?)
Please people do compare HD-dvd playin to playing games it sound stupid.
Yeah i rather Watch wedding crasher in HDx100 than Playing a good fucking game like Gears of War.
By the woulding HDx100 be a hologram by then?
I think I can boil all this down pretty simply.
Sony = Deliver on promises, given time.
Microsoft = Over-hype and under-deliver, to SAVE time.
Simple!
I know sure as hell which I'd prefer.
I have a great solution. Buy both systems. The Xbox 360 will have a HD-DVD peripheral coming out this year and PS3 has blu-ray, this way you can watch any High Def movie you want. I own a 60" SXRD and Xbox 360 and I am amazed at the image quality. The tv upscales the 1080i output to 1080p which make the girls from Dead or Alive 4 look like goddesses!! PS3 will have two 1080p outputs which is impressive, but if you have a tv that upscales 1080i to 1080p I imagine you would need a specialist to notice any differnce. As mentioned earlier, the games will make or break the system. On a side note, plugging your ipod into the xbox 360 makes for a seriously good time. The xbox 360 has some kind of trippy 3D 1080i music visualization that when on a 60" SXRD will make you want to sit down and smoke weed and do mushrooms all day!!
i used to be one of the playstation fanatics, but truth be told, sony may have a lot of game titles but very few compare to the quality of whats on the xbox e.g halo, doom, forza motorsport, riddick,ninja gaiden, rallisport challenge, jade empire, fable, dead or alive, the list is endless. It doesnt matter how much hardware is on the console if there are no quality games to boot.