Hands on with the Nintendo DS Lite

Well that didn't take long. Hong Kong shipments of Nintendo's new DS Lite haven't even made it to Japan yet, but Lik Sang managed to get an in-depth hands on look at the big N's latest. And they like what they see. They could only nab the "Crystal White" version, since the other colors will be delayed for a week or so, but they like the look plenty well. The biggest change to the new DS is a brightness control instead of a mere backlight on/off switch of the previous version. Lik Sang claims (with pics to prove) that the first level of brightness equals the old DS, while the other three settings really blow it out of the water. They also preferred the updated directional pad, buttons, and longer stylus. There is also a 1000 mAh battery as opposed to the 850 mAh of the old DS, presumably to deal with the extra screen brightness. We look forward to playing with DS once it makes it over here, but we just might not be able to wait that long.

[Via Nintendo DS News]

[Nozomi @ Feb 28th 2006 4:54PM]

Oh man, I can't wait for it!

[zverg @ Feb 28th 2006 4:56PM]

Now to decide whether I want to import this or replace my mac mini... hmm :|

[James @ Feb 28th 2006 4:59PM]

any word on how comfortable it is in your hands?

[Jack @ Feb 28th 2006 4:59PM]

Has a US release date been announced yet?

[Loban @ Feb 28th 2006 5:01PM]

Good God, i never realized just how ugly the PSP really is. I mean, I've always known it was an ugly huge brick, but that picture just makes it look horrible.

(and yes, i realize the old DS style isn't exactly beautiful)

[woejilliams @ Feb 28th 2006 5:11PM]

you know what the DS lite is BEGGING for...

A hundred dollar leather case.

Thats what!

[Brian Short @ Feb 28th 2006 5:20PM]

When is the Play-Yan going to come out?

[unreal mccoy @ Feb 28th 2006 5:24PM]

that white PSP is dog butt UGLY

[Paranoised @ Feb 28th 2006 5:28PM]

The PSP looks like a brick?

I'd have to disagree, its a very slick gadget. Its dissappointing though that the quality of its games don't live up to its looks.

[travis @ Feb 28th 2006 5:36PM]

I dont even like the PSP, and even I can admit that it really is a thing of beauty...especially the white one.

[narphorium @ Feb 28th 2006 5:40PM]

That's so not fair putting the impossibly thin Nano in front of it like that. I'm sure the DSL will look awesome up close but compared to the Nano it looks like a friggin' brick.

[Andre @ Feb 28th 2006 5:50PM]

If I import it from lik-sang, will I have power voltage issues if I use it in America? Anyways, the psp still looks like superior in design, but the ds lite has stepped with a modern design, rather than something that looked like a fischer price toy.

[Jake @ Feb 28th 2006 6:00PM]

I ordered mine from Play-Asia and got the navy blue, before I knew about the push-back. I think it said it came with an AC charger, so it should work in America.

[Kelvin @ Feb 28th 2006 6:03PM]

"Good God, i never realized just how ugly the PSP really is. I mean, I've always known it was an ugly huge brick, but that picture just makes it look horrible.

(and yes, i realize the old DS style isn't exactly beautiful)"

Why are you purposely trying to flame people up. I hope psp owners can take a bigger step and not argue with this guy. You dont reliase that instead of showing nintendo fans as intelligent resonable people, you show them as stupid idiotic fanboys, which most fans are not.
I partly blame engadget(I know it aint really your fault but...), you should know that some people are simply stupid and taking the picture with a picture of a psp in the shot, would mean that some stupid fanboy would have to make mention of the psp in some way or form.
I own a psp and i can wait to purchurse a ds lite, my brother owns a ds so i have really seen the benfits of ds and wi fi gaming, especially with the future metroid prime on the way. I have however opted to wait for the release of the american ds lite. I love my psp too of course, but this is not the psp, its about the ds lite.

I just wish that some people wouldnt have to critisize someone elses choices, no matter what you feel, especially if you have to critisize it in every oppurtunity, without any real reasoning, such as our dear moron has. Its annoying to see people purposely stir up arguments for something so trivial as 'i have a ds, look at the quality games i have, or i have a psp, look at the great multimedia fetures i have and you dont'.

i know extreme fanboys will continue to argue and flame people up for no reason but please, for those of you with more than one brain cell. Lets not argue, but instead enjoy the benefits of the progression of technology and gaming.

ps sorry for poor grammer and spelling.

[Alex @ Feb 28th 2006 6:18PM]

For some reason the DS Lite looks really plastic-y. I don't know if it's the pictures that do this, or what. I'm not trying to be a fanboy or anything...I want to see what it looks like in person.

[daschupa @ Feb 28th 2006 6:48PM]

^^^probably cuz it's made of plastic. =)

[mike @ Feb 28th 2006 6:51PM]

Why can't nintendo EVER get backlighting right on thier systems!!! It took them forever to implement something so simple as a backlight that changed the gameplay forever.

http://rockinthebury.com
http://cranburypcrepair.com

[Steve @ Feb 28th 2006 7:14PM]

>I ordered mine from Play-Asia and got the navy blue
>before I knew about the push-back. I think it said it
>came with an AC charger, so it should work in America.

Don't buy from them, they f#@$ed up my PSP order last year. Terrible customer support.

[ipodman715 @ Feb 28th 2006 7:30PM]

Nice! I want one now!

[Michael @ Feb 28th 2006 8:06PM]

This is so stupid, is Nintendo going to keep making "refined" products of everything they make? Game Boy Advance got a brighter screen and different shape with the SP, and then they made the Game Boy Micro cuz it was too big.

I have a Nintendo DS and its just fine and I like it just the way it is.

What's next? A gamecube thats the size of CD player that has brighter screen settings for your TV? Come on Nintendo!?

How about you have people test your shit and tell you what they dislike about it before you release it, instead of getting negative feedback after its already mass produced. There's an idea

[rubaiyat @ Feb 28th 2006 8:13PM]

"Why can't nintendo EVER get backlighting right on thier systems!!! It took them forever to implement something so simple as a backlight that changed the gameplay forever."

Because you can't have a shiny display, blistering processor, be small/light, be affordable, sturdy, and have a long battery life.

I hate that this is still a complaint. Guess what, there is no such thing as a free lunch. You can't have something without giving up something else. You may not like Nintendo's design philosophy but they beat nice shiny displays on the Lynx and Gamegear with a 4 shades of green nonlit display. Nearly 40 hour battery life compared to 6-10 hours for its competitors helped seal the deal.

That has always been N's design philosophy...and the tens of millions of units sold is all I need as proof that it works.

[rubaiyat @ Feb 28th 2006 8:17PM]

Hey #19

Then don't buy the DS Lite. Boo Frickin hoo. I guess car manufacturers are right bastards for releasing a car model every frickin year!!

Those car guys should just ask some people to test their cars out and have them "tell you what they dislike about it before you release it, instead of getting negative feedback after its already mass produced. There's an idea"

[Nintendo fanboy and proud @ Feb 28th 2006 9:03PM]

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13. "Good God, i never realized just how ugly the PSP really is. I mean, I've always known it was an ugly huge brick, but that picture just makes it look horrible.

(and yes, i realize the old DS style isn't exactly beautiful)"

Why are you purposely trying to flame people up. I hope psp owners can take a bigger step and not argue with this guy. You dont reliase that instead of showing nintendo fans as intelligent resonable people, you show them as stupid idiotic fanboys, which most fans are not.
I partly blame engadget(I know it aint really your fault but...), you should know that some people are simply stupid and taking the picture with a picture of a psp in the shot, would mean that some stupid fanboy would have to make mention of the psp in some way or form.
I own a psp and i can wait to purchurse a ds lite, my brother owns a ds so i have really seen the benfits of ds and wi fi gaming, especially with the future metroid prime on the way. I have however opted to wait for the release of the american ds lite. I love my psp too of course, but this is not the psp, its about the ds lite.

I just wish that some people wouldnt have to critisize someone elses choices, no matter what you feel, especially if you have to critisize it in every oppurtunity, without any real reasoning, such as our dear moron has. Its annoying to see people purposely stir up arguments for something so trivial as 'i have a ds, look at the quality games i have, or i have a psp, look at the great multimedia fetures i have and you dont'.

i know extreme fanboys will continue to argue and flame people up for no reason but please, for those of you with more than one brain cell. Lets not argue, but instead enjoy the benefits of the progression of technology and gaming.
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Face it man, your just thinking what every other psp fanboy has thought on seeing the ds lite - prettier than psp. It sure looks good to everyone i know whos seen it. Imagine how good it looks to an ipod owner? who wouldlnt just love to have that combo?

I mean, ipod video and ds lite? its multimedia heaven. No wonder you and plenty other psp fanboys are starting to feel a little threatened.

I mean, read your own post. It sounds like the mad rambings of a desperate man, verging on breakdown. I suspect youve been a psp owner from the beginning,.

I expect youve chatted sh*t to many ds owner, particularly back in the good old days, when you ruled the roost, when it was nintendo fanboys who felt threatened by the psp. Since the tables have turned so dramatically, and the ds is in the infinitely stronger postion, psp fanboys have been clutching at straws.


One of the few things they had left to attack with, the one sure thing, was 'ds is a brick'. Now with this incarnation of the spectacular device, its just not true anymore. The thing is shi*t hot.

You, and I mean, the collective you, that is, the psp fanboy in denial, really have nothing left but a gameless, crippled media player that doesnt even look as good as it used to. I know this hurts you all.

Look at the psp redesign competition( a few posts down. Check the entries. Its hilarious.

Poor poor psp fanboys. You were so so sure of yourselves. But now you are but shadows, kings without a kingdom.

[Nintendo fanboy and proud @ Feb 28th 2006 9:08PM]

Edit - dont check a few posts down, i thought i was on joystiq. Check this psp fanboy entry, which is an affiliate of engadget (i believe)

http://www.pspfanboy.com/2006/02/27/may-i-have-the-envelope-please/

[XBOX 720 , PS4 , NINTENDO NG .. True Next Gen ^^^ @ Feb 28th 2006 9:27PM]

First I have to say im not really a fan boy of any company , but I do Love Games -- Now to the topic Nintendo DS Lite *( funny that its called "lite" its lighter and has a brighter backlite screen )* .... Sorry back to the topic at hand DS Lite .. I think the DS Lite looks VERY VERY cool it looks almost as good as a psp and if you say psp doesnt look good you havnt had one in your hands before .. That is the reason i cant say it looks as good as psp i havnt seen the system in real life yet .... One thing that dissapoints me about the whole thing is the lack of american launch date. ........... I have had both PSP and Nintendo DS i liked both of them alot .. I first had a psp then i relized actually how hard it was to carry around *(it gets scratches n stuff)* so then i purchased a DS i loved its portability besides barely being able to fit in my pocket so i had my ds for on the road and psp for home ..... I sold both the systems for money recently but i will be purchasing both the DSL and PSP soon as soon as DSL comes out I guess . point is i love psp i almost loved the ds and it looks like im definetly gonna love the new ds lite ...... ^( its like having a fat girl then getting a sexy super model .. go ds lite )^

[Mike @ Feb 28th 2006 10:14PM]

OMG! Look at the huge screen on the PSP compared to the little ones on the DS Lite. The DS still looks like a toy.

[jiggles @ Feb 28th 2006 10:16PM]

Funny story..This reminds me of when i was about 9 years old and was just exploring AOL and the internet for the first time :X..anyways long story short I had a game boy color and was mad that I had to use a stupid little light to play in the dark, so I sent an email to Nintendo asking them if they could make a game boy with a backlight and if they did, send me a free one since I came up with the idea (remember, I was 9 years old at the time lol)...their reply was something along the lines of "a backlight in a game boy is not a very real possibility due to the battery needs of such a device and the amount of money it would cost the buyer" whats up with that, one of the next game boys that came out was back lit, jeeez. Nintendo if your reading this i want my backlit game boy ;)

/rant

[umijin @ Feb 28th 2006 10:30PM]

I had a chance to handle one of these here in Japan at an electronics store. There was no game or power on the display units (I dunno why), so I couldn't try them out.

However, these things look particularly ugly and cheap. I'm not sure why, but the plastic bodies have a sort of generic appearance to them. And I'm unsure why they call it 'Lite' as these units are much heavier and thicker than I expected. My estimation is that they are close to the weight of my PSP.

[TZK @ Feb 28th 2006 10:35PM]

Golly, that DSLite looks like its built out of legos.

So when comes the Gameboy Micro DS lite?

[Larry @ Feb 28th 2006 10:41PM]

I am no supporter of the PSP design, but I have to say, I highly dislike the design on the DS even more. It's just very unappealing, it looks more like a brick then the PSP does. And honestly, I agree with #26, it reminds me of Legos.

[Sherm Did It @ Feb 28th 2006 10:46PM]

ahh...sometimes it warms my heart to read respective fanboys try to wax pseudo-intellectually about their favorite toys. must make you all very proud of your enormous E-c**ks as you gaze at your well-crafted comments. "This is great so that other thing conversely is total bollocks!! My circular reasoning reigns supreme!!!" Go become industrial designers, your obvious superior senses of aesthetics are being wasted on this site!!

and with that I'm spent. time to go show all the people in my building my DS and PSP for props!

[Hoffy @ Feb 28th 2006 11:47PM]

I like this picture showing the DSL, PSP, GB micro and iPod Nano. Except the famicom styled GB micro is kind of out of place w/ all the other sexy hardware. Maroon and gold?? I know it was their first system, but come on. Ugly! Anyways, w/ the new DSL redesign, it's definitely catching up in terms of sexy w/ the PSP. I don't know about the edges though - they look sharp....

[Jamesology @ Feb 28th 2006 11:48PM]

Lmao... "DS Lite looks better than PSP" or "the PSP looks like a brick," HAHAHAHAHA.
[ ] =DS ( )=PSP
When did bricks have rounded sides, that's funny. The PSP has the shape that least resemble a brick. I think all you little nerds need to get another inch on your glasses. Cnet.com, Maxim, Stuff, and Time Magazine have all agreed that PSP is sleek and sexy; but maybe you can't read it cuz it didnt say "Japan." These mags are from a source that's in this country, heck in the continent! None of that, "well in Japan..,".....bakayarou!

Also, it's true that the DS Lite looks like Lego. Even the GB Micro looks better! Why would you wanna carry both Ipod and a DS when you can just carry one.

But still Im getting a DS Lite; good thing I didnt get the first DS. Phew, I knew they would make a better one. They always do in a couple months.

[Bucktendo @ Mar 1st 2006 4:38AM]

So then you PSP zealots, what game/movie/memory stick pro duo are you looking all forward to?

You know when SCE release the PS3 (eventually), PSP is going to be dropped faster than a falling brick.

[Frexy @ Mar 1st 2006 5:42AM]

Well, sorry, about the looks only though

The PSP did PWN the original DS in design...

But if you look like it compared with the DSLite...

Well, to me, the DSLite is a lot more sleeker. And it seems like it fits better... Maybe it's because of that white look of the PSP, but the buttons of the PSP do look... I dunno, it's like the whole thing is taken apart and wrongfully put back together again. If you know what I mean. The buttons don't seem like they fit in the case...
And the corners, the plasticy corners, they don't seem that sleek anymore, compared to the DS, which looks like it's made out of 1 piece... instead of a thousand.

Well, I tried to be not too fanboyish and as objective as possible... Not sure if it worked, it's still an opinion as another ^^;

[Brian @ Mar 1st 2006 7:35AM]

I find it interesting that Nintendo is constantly releasing new versions of their consoles. I wonder if Sony will release a PSP.2 when improve on some things.

[kelvin @ Mar 1st 2006 9:11AM]

"Face it man, your just thinking what every other psp fanboy has thought on seeing the ds lite - prettier than psp."
You have never used a psp in your LIFE. if you had, there would be no way you could say such a stupid statement. You are ridiculous. if you could afford a psp you would have known how slick, smooth and superior in design it is compared with any product EVER designed by nintendo
" It sure looks good to everyone i know whos seen it. Imagine how good it looks to an ipod owner? who wouldlnt just love to have that combo?"
Stop talking out your arse, its so clear you have never seen a ds lite in real life, or any of your imaginary friends. And again, ipod is superior design to any thing ever created by nintendo. And you cant even afford a psp, or ipod, yet your saying the ds lite looks better. The thing looks like cheap plastic. However it is an improvement over the disastrous design that was a ds.
"I mean, ipod video and ds lite? its multimedia heaven. No wonder you and plenty other psp fanboys are starting to feel a little threatened." HAHA thats rich. the psp can play games, movies, access the internet, play music, and view picture on one hell of a big screen. Why the hell are we gonna feel threatened. WOW and your level, of idioticy is amazing, an ipod video and a ds cost more than a psp. Yet a psp can do all the features of both and more. Aswell on a large screen. And unlike you my friend here, i can afford a ds, psp, ipod, laptop, all 3 consoles, hell any product. Why would i feel threatened by something i can afford.
"I mean, read your own post. It sounds like the mad rambings of a desperate man, verging on breakdown. I suspect youve been a psp owner from the beginning." Read your own post, you seem like a pathetic loser, that can only afford one console/handheld, so he has to feel big by crtisizing other peoples choices. Instead unlike you most psp owners CAN afford a ds, however they have chosen not to buy it. whereas many (not all) ds owners can not afford a psp. Unlike you i did not have a fanboy stance, i know the benefits of a ds, but YOU have never known the benefits of a psp. Its a shame that people like you get to post such dumb points
"I expect youve chatted sh*t to many ds owner, particularly back in the good old days, when you ruled the roost, when it was nintendo fanboys who felt threatened by the psp. Since the tables have turned so dramatically, and the ds is in the infinitely stronger postion, psp fanboys have been clutching at straws." THIS IS RICH. wow i cant even go in to detail about how stupid you are. My brother already owns a ds. Why would i critsize him! Unlike you I have never taken a fanboy stance, I like both machines but the bull that comes out of people like you can drive someone insane. And i want to say that how does bigger sales help you? Hmm. I don�t see ninty giving you or anyone 1% of sales made on every other ds. 4 of my friends have psp so we all enjoy wireless gaming, we don�t lose out If Sony don�t sell as many psp as they want to, and you don�t get an advantage if the ds sells 7000 million ds. Ninetendo aren�t goanna give you a pay rise, or anything for strong sales. So stop saying how sales are great of ds, that don�t make the ds any better/worse that it was before.

�One of the few things they had left to attack with, the one sure thing, was 'ds is a brick'. Now with this incarnation of the spectacular device, its just not true anymore. The thing is shi*t hot.�
Thank you paris Hilton that thing is hot. But if you think that ds lite is better than the psp in design you need help, actually go to a games store and pretend you have the money to purchase one, and go pick up the psp and use it.

�You, and I mean, the collective you, that is, the psp fanboy in denial, really have nothing left but a gameless, crippled media player that doesnt even look as good as it used to. I know this hurts you all.�
My god did that make sense to any one else? Cause that sounded like pure garbage. �Crippled multimedia player� yes I see that the psp has lost both legs and arms in this �console armageddon�. Thank you.

�Look at the psp redesign competition( a few posts down. Check the entries. Its hilarious.
"Poor poor psp fanboys. You were so so sure of yourselves.�
Wow a redesign competition is really gonna be used as an argument? I don�t represent all psp owners, so if some of them were indeed full of themselves than so be it. But psp owners have nothing to regret, as long as they are smart and reasonable people who know exactly what they wanted from the machine, they would have most probably go tit. You are an idiot, you look bad not only on Nintendo fans, but on the gaming community as a whole. Get a life, if you have a ds enjoy it, but you aren�t some how better than anyone because of this decision.

�But now you are but shadows, kings without a kingdom."

HAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA my god, oh my god , thank you, thank you, for this hilarious comment. What have you been sniffing.

Let Nintendo ds touch screen, stones protect the kingdoms from the evil force that is the shadow of the psp, so that the kingdom may once again establish the stone of handeld gaming and have entirety of peace in neverland. =P)

Wow after re reading this i don�t even think you could afford a ds, wow what a loser. I like the ds I have stated this before, but I hate fans of any console who speak the way you do. My post was about not flaming, but you take it as some psp fanboy defence. Get a life. I don�t have time to support one gaming device and criticize another. Unlike you I can look at matters objectly, without the need to take sides. I like the ds and will get a ds lite. But someone like you who has, none (don�t try pretend) should actually try and use something before you make decision.

[Chris @ Mar 1st 2006 9:14AM]

Dudes, we need to stop going by the looks and appreciate these systems for what they are! The DS Lite looks like it was made of legos, so what? The PSP looks like a thousand peices, so what? Forget the looks. What features does the DS Lite have? What features does the PSP have? Not trying to be a fanboy, but I think the DS Lite wins here. Like they said in a couple of reviews on EBGames.com for DS, "If you are a true game, choose the DS. The DS goes by innovation. The PSP is just a system for ports (games that have already been on PS2). I'd rather play Animal Crossing DS than Gran Turismo 50 and Halo 10 same old crap new box." So there ya go. Nintendo's innovating, a favorite hobby of theirs. The PSP is just the same old crap in a new color.

Still, I must agree that the PSP is a good system, but I just don't think it's worth the money.

[Chris @ Mar 1st 2006 9:23AM]

Hey #35

You're just a selfish brat. The PSP is a good system, but the DS is recommended.

With the kingdom thing, you got it all wrong. It's the other way around.

(spits) Constructive critism. More like critism with you. =P)

[Sherm Did It @ Mar 1st 2006 9:40AM]

wow. this is beautiful. two MENSA candidates going at it on engadget! the "kings without a kingdom" comment and the ensuing scathing rebuttal was so pretentious and misplaced it frightens me that you two are actually allowed to read. knowledge is dangerous in the wrong hands, kiddies. kelvin and nintendo fanboy please keep this feud going! Maybe this could spin off into yet another derivative engadget site like pspfanboy, etc. It could be called "The Adventures of Rich PSP Boy Who Can Afford Anything and Poor DS Boy King of Kings". Flame on, you crazy diamonds.

[nintendo fanboy and proud @ Mar 1st 2006 10:02AM]

Ah, Kelvin.

More straw clutching from you?

First off, don�t pretend you have any kind of objective stance, its clear to everyone from your first post, let alone this second desperate rant, that you have put your full support behind the psp. You are a psp fanboy, I am a nintendo fanboy. Lets not delude ourselves about what we are.

Secondly, what�s all this stuff about me not being able to afford to buy things? I have a ds, a laptop, a pda, and ipod, a nintendo gamecube....Its pretty silly of you to presuppose I can make my expert judgements without owning any technology. This was just pure straw clutching on your part, and I forgive you for it.

Lets assess your argument. It in fact, doesn�t amount to much when we take out your invalid point that I cant afford anything

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Stop talking out your arse, its so clear you have never seen a ds lite in real life, or any of your imaginary friends. And again, ipod is superior design to any thing ever created by nintendo. And you cant even afford a psp, or ipod, yet your saying the ds lite looks better. The thing looks like cheap plastic. However it is an improvement over the disastrous design that was a ds.
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You�re right, I nor you have ever seen a ds lite in real life. But weve both seen the pictures. We can both see it looks good. The ipod design is superior, i agree. But the point im making is that psp fanboys, like yourself, feel threatened by the fact that the new ds looks so much better than it did, better even than your 'slick' psp. It will especially appeal to ipod owners, cos they match. In the one area you felt sure psp excelled ds, you have just been defeated. You didnt make the effort to counter any of this.



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the psp can play games, movies, access the internet, play music, and view picture on one hell of a big screen. Why the hell are we gonna feel threatened. WOW and your level, of idioticy is amazing, an ipod video and a ds cost more than a psp. Yet a psp can do all the features of both and more. Aswell on a large screen. And unlike you my friend here, i can afford a ds, psp, ipod, laptop, all 3 consoles, hell any product. Why would i feel threatened by something i can afford.
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The cost isnt the issue? Money isnt the issue? The issue is how the psp just doesnt seem like a sensible purchace in light of these better options of a ds (good gaming system) and an ipod video (good media player). Hence that reflects badly on your descision to make that purchce. Hence why you feel threatened (i think part of your inabilty to understand this simple premise is because you do not accept that you�re a psp fanboy. And again, I suggest, reread your post)


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Unlike you I did not have a fanboy stance, i know the benefits of a ds, but YOU have never known the benefits of a psp. Its a shame that people like you get to post such dumb points
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You obviosuly DO have a fanboy stance, otherwise you could see that the only �benefit� to having a psp that has ever had any credibility is that it�s a nicer lookibg gadget than the ds. This whole debate is about how, now the ds is better looking, the only reason people thought the psp was ever any good has melted away. The psp was marketed on a pure philosophy of style over content Looks good, doesn�t matter it cant do anything well. Now that the style has been cancelled out, theres nothing left to the device, and your descision to buy it has been totally undermined. Is any of this getting through?

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�You, and I mean, the collective you, that is, the psp fanboy in denial, really have nothing left but a gameless, crippled media player that doesnt even look as good as it used to. I know this hurts you all.�
My god did that make sense to any one else? Cause that sounded like pure garbage. �Crippled multimedia player� yes I see that the psp has lost both legs and arms in this �console armageddon�. Thank you.
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I see your grasp of English isnt quite upto this metaphor, so Ill help you. The psp is a 'crippled' (as in, does not have the abilities we expect of one in its class)multimedia device because it a) only accepts proprietary formats b) has been rigged to specifically make to use of ones own legal content impossible on it c) has crappy interface software d) relies on proprietary formats that are ludicrously overpriced and shabby in their implementation e) is generally not designed to do what it is being marketed as able to do (i.e. we browsing, without any decent interface or text imput system. thats just ONE example.)


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Wow a redesign competition is really gonna be used as an argument? I don�t represent all psp owners, so if some of them were indeed full of themselves than so be it. But psp owners have nothing to regret, as long as they are smart and reasonable people who know exactly what they wanted from the machine, they would have most probably go tit. You are an idiot, you look bad not only on Nintendo fans, but on the gaming community as a whole. Get a life, if you have a ds enjoy it, but you aren�t some how better than anyone because of this decision.
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The redesign competition shows that psp fanboys (like yourself) are starting to think that the psp's design, the one thing they felt sure their system was best at (being aesthetically pleasing) is now not as good, and this is reflected in the fact that half the entries for that competition look like the ds lite. This is not out and out proof of my theory, but it is bvery good evidence.

Its not the fact that I myself am better, but that i have made the better decision. You feel treatened by this, as a psp fanboy.


And my final point - you are kings without a kingdom, cos when you bought a psp, and bashed nintendo fanboys, and were so sure it was better you truly believed it was right. It is only now that you see that it just isnt true, and in fact you bought a device that cannot do what you expected it. Instead of just admitting this to yourself, you continue as if the psp IS still this great icon of technology, when in fact everyone who doesnt have this delusion can see its a worthless POS.

This is how the psp fanboy is a king without a kingdom. Again, im sorry i confused you with my advanced use of metaphor here. Hope the simplified language above halps make this clearer for you.


You poor poor man kelvin. Just try and forget all this, it will be easier

[Konformyst @ Mar 1st 2006 10:30AM]

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[Konformyst @ Mar 1st 2006 10:39AM]

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[Kenneth @ Mar 1st 2006 10:53AM]

PSP are fun, DS are fun.. argueing is pointless.

[Joe @ Mar 1st 2006 12:29PM]

Hmm...I guess no one recognizes the DS design as Nintendo's old Game and Watches. It brings back good memories.

[Sherm Did It @ Mar 1st 2006 12:54PM]

Damn Nintendo Fanboy, you didn't blow your load yet? To be filled with so much vitriol and find no way for release other than to do battle with Kelvin on these comments is a little disturbing. I think the two of you should just meet up, make sweet sweet love, and get it over with.

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[Kelvin @ Mar 1st 2006 12:54PM]

Again this is rich. I see you didnt comment on everything said. WHY? some things actually hit home with you. Actually i doubt it, just that you couldnt think of an apropiate response.

"First off, don�t pretend you have any kind of objective stance, its clear to everyone from your first post, let alone this second desperate rant, that you have put your full support behind the psp. You are a psp fanboy, I am a nintendo fanboy. Lets not delude ourselves about what we are."

You feel that the fact that i defended the psp design means i am a fanboy. What exactly in my first post made you come to the appropiate conclusion that i am a fanboy. Except that i said i OWNED a psp i didnt do any defending of the system or talking about its features at all. All iststed is that flaming is stupid. But you stating that if someone purchases one system and not the other at the same time, it automatically means he cant have an objective view. Because i cant see how you can judge that i aint objective on the first post i made on engadnet. NEVER, have you seen me post anthing against about the ds on any subject so dont go about chatting rubbish. In my 2nd post i was defendidng psp but this was said, becuase of the ludicrous comments made by you, that a owner of the psp bought it only for its design which is better than a ds. I can tell you that no one bought a psp because its more beutifull than a ds.

"Secondly, what�s all this stuff about me not being able to afford to buy things? I have a ds, a laptop, a pda, and ipod, a nintendo gamecube....Its pretty silly of you to presuppose I can make my expert judgements without owning any technology. This was just pure straw clutching on your part, and I forgive you for it."
Your judgements werent expert they were retarded. And its all good that on the internet you can post i have this and that, but when you go home you know the truth. If you have used the psp, and i say this again, if you used a psp you would never have said that what you have seen of the ds lite makes it any better in design.

"Lets assess your argument. It in fact, doesn�t amount to much when we take out your invalid point that I cant afford anything"
Okay lets see, you can afford many things but you stated all the generic materials a ds fanboy would have to have make a comments. You had to own a pda so you can state how handy the ds is, and how the funtionality is great, which iam not arguing.You had to own a ipod, to state how you can make a comment on multimedia heven with both products. You had to own a gamecube because we all know nintendo fanboys can never purchase any other sytem, even if there sytem was the worst of all three.


"You�re right, I nor you have ever seen a ds lite in real life. But weve both seen the pictures. We can both see it looks good. The ipod design is superior, i agree. But the point im making is that psp fanboys, like yourself, feel threatened by the fact that the new ds looks so much better than it did, better even than your 'slick' psp. It will especially appeal to ipod owners, cos they match. In the one area you felt sure psp excelled ds, you have just been defeated. You didnt make the effort to counter any of this."

Are you blind. If you used/seen a psp in real life you would never make thse comments. If you ask anyone in all fairness if what they have seen of the ds lite makes it look better than a psp they would say no. ANd how many of these ipod owners are you sure will prefer the ds over psp. What research is this based on. How many ipod owners of the 42 million ever said they want a psp or ds. So why all these stupid comments that "It will especially appeal to ipod owners, cos they match"

Wow i think someone needs to break the big news to you. The ipod comes in black now. I know its a big shock, but dont worry, you cant afford one.


"You obviosuly DO have a fanboy stance, otherwise you could see that the only �benefit� to having a psp that has ever had any credibility is that it�s a nicer lookibg gadget than the ds. This whole debate is about how, now the ds is better looking, the only reason people thought the psp was ever any good has melted away. The psp was marketed on a pure philosophy of style over content Looks good, doesn�t matter it cant do anything well. Now that the style has been cancelled out, theres nothing left to the device, and your descision to buy it has been totally undermined. Is any of this getting through?"

Again you have stated that psp owners bought a psp because of looks. How dumb is that. You think ANYONE didnt know that there would be another 3 reincarnations of ds with style bieng improved. Also its nice to see you taking stab at propietry formats which 1) has nothing to do with this post and 2) Tell me, are the ds cartridges widely available for everyone to put what ever they want on it. So yes sony has a propietry format but i dont exactly see the ds cartridges widely available in stores.Its quite clear that because your a fanboy you think the psp was marketed based only on its style, which it was not, your comment makes no sense because you are basically saying that a psp owner would be happy with an empty shell. Because of your lack of intelligence you cant understand something as simple as this. People like there psp. They like the games offered (YEs even the ports) they like the features, they like the display. Why do you have to critisize people choices. You have no right to state that people are as dumb as you. If you cant comprehend that people like thre psp for what it can do then fine. But when you have state something as dumb as psp owners are all superficial its clear you have never used it. Like i said i have never critisized the ds, why would i. i can comprehend people like the ds for what it odes, hell i do as well. But then that dont make the ds allmighty. You seem not to grasp that the handheld competition is not over. You have to wait and see what the psp delivers. THEN you will see nintendo ds posts where psp fans start chatting shit.

"see your grasp of English isnt quite upto this metaphor, so Ill help you. The psp is a 'crippled' (as in, does not have the abilities we expect of one in its class)multimedia device because it a) only accepts proprietary formats b) has been rigged to specifically make to use of ones own legal content impossible on it c) has crappy interface software d) relies on proprietary formats that are ludicrously overpriced and shabby in their implementation e) is generally not designed to do what it is being marketed as able to do (i.e. we browsing, without any decent interface or text imput system. thats just ONE example."
what has this got to do with style. You have completely taken this of course. i could argue all day on how evertyhing you have said is flawed but i wont. Instaead ill put it too you like this. A) the psp only accepts propietry formats but what were you expecting. A psp that excepts dvds or cds. Or have you forgotten that the only other possible disk sytems is the minidisk which, guess what, is a sony propietry format. So get over yourself. I dont see what your expecting. B)The psp accepts the mp3, non protected aac, and wma, attract 3, wav and more. For videos it accepts mpeg4. Eccept for attrct 3 the rest are not licensed by sony, making you comment severly flawed. How is hard to use your own legal contents. See how it is so clear you have never used a psp, if you did you know that it is possible to transfer videos of dvds that havebeen ripped in meg4. Again if you owned an ipod, you would know this is no diffrent from what is used a apple for the videos. Yet apples is licensed quicktime file. If you owned a ipod video you would know that.d)Over here in england umds are at 6.99 www.play.com overpriced? I think not, plus if you dont want videos you dont have to have it. I have sated that the propietry umd format was expected. after all what small disk format do you think it should have. Funny that argue about this because when gamecube came out it used a propietry format, unlike everyone else. yet i bet you never complained. E) That is you ONE and only example. The psp plays music fine no problems at all. The psp views images fine, no problem, and it plays games with no problem. But somehow i dont think it will ever be good enuff for you. I mean i know all nintendo gameboys had a touch screen pad with a stylus isn it? SO what now is the big deal that the psp dont have one.

"The redesign competition shows that psp fanboys (like yourself) are starting to think that the psp's design, the one thing they felt sure their system was best at (being aesthetically pleasing) is now not as good, and this is reflected in the fact that half the entries for that competition look like the ds lite. This is not out and out proof of my theory, but it is very good evidence."

Haha even you critisize you own research. "A very good theory", man you are dumb. what a psp fanboy site chooses as a redesign is up to them. But do they account for even 1/8 of psp consumers. NO . And my oh my no, metion of the ds redesign on joysiq. It seems as if not all ds fans find the ds rdesign perfect. But i woldnt have to mention that if you , like the idiot you are, stoped metining what a few people designed a psp on a ds style. How many people visit that site? how does that site reflect the views of most, no even some of psp owners. WHat is stopping a idiotic ds fanboy(like your self)from posting. Hmm, is any of this getting thru.

"Its not the fact that I myself am better, but that i have made the better decision. You feel treatened by this, as a psp fanboy."

here it is people the real goal reason behind his comments. HE made the better decision. he belives he is smarter. What exactly tells you that though you feel you made the better decision psp fans feel they didnt. Your opinions are based on squarely your own. dont tell anyone they made the worse decison. Thy didint. You made the dumb decision to tell people you made a better decsion. Stop kidding anyone, the ds was your only decision. you were never open minded, you never ever though about seeing if the psp was any good, and you could never have got it. Unlike you im not blinded by bieng a fanboy means that i can never have another console. llike yourself, or never admit that another console is good based on it merrit. Your not worth the time or effort. You are blinded by your love for a company regardless of what they do, and so when finally, nintendo has real competition in a market and they are actually wining you feel a need to slate the opposition. You are pathetic


"And my final point - you are kings without a kingdom, cos when you bought a psp, and bashed nintendo fanboys, and were so sure it was better you truly believed it was right. It is only now that you see that it just isnt true, and in fact you bought a device that cannot do what you expected it. Instead of just admitting this to yourself, you continue as if the psp IS still this great icon of technology, when in fact everyone who doesnt have this delusion can see its a worthless POS."

See here you judge me as something when you have never met me or even discussed with me before this point in time. If you had you'd know i never bashed or critisized anyones decision on a console or a handheld. I respect peoples choices. I can enjoy other products with out the need to critisize someone elses. You fail to grasp i am unlike anyone you have met, and you are unlike anyone i have met. If you cant believe i am not a blind fanboy then its your choice but i know what i am. Who said the psp was a great icon in technology. The psp ahs nothing no has never seen and so does the ds have nothing no one has never seen. But again as a nintendo fanboy you fail to realise that not eveyone is as stupid or quick to judgement as you. Not everyone feels this divine need to love gagdget as perfect. You seem to think the ds is perfect albiet only an aesatic flaw, showing that you are dellusional.

This is how the psp fanboy is a king without a kingdom. Again, im sorry i confused you with my advanced use of metaphor here. Hope the simplified language above halps make this clearer for you.

Your not advanced because you used a metaphor. Your metaphor was pointless and had no need. It makes no sense because psp owners never held it with such regards as you think they did. Tghey never thought they were kings. And mate, you need to know this. There is no kingdom. The ds has stronger sales NOW but you fail to realise that aconsole war is never settled this easily.

Im not going to reply after this because you clearly cant reason. many people posted feel im trying to simply put saving grace on psp. I am not. I LIKE THE DS. Like i said before i have experienced and enjoyed a ds, and anyone who reads my original post can clearly see there was no psp vs ds argument going to come from me.

[Steven @ Mar 1st 2006 12:57PM]

I personally think they are both excellent machines and the improvement in the DSL design is great, but, if I had to choose just one it would the DS Lite due to its price and choice of games. The PSP *is* an awesome machine, though.

[AL @ Mar 1st 2006 1:35PM]

Kelvin - your patronizing attempts are genuinely sad. And some of your arguments, though occassionally on the right lines, are just as often incorrect, or bias towards you. Remember, not everybody takes the same stance as you do. Some people may have opinions different to yours, and you really should accept that. And if you think some people's responses are so feeble and hilarious, why do you keep having to think up retorts. I have both a PSP and a DS, and I think the DS Lite looks great as well. Every handheld has it's merits (even the Gizmondo), and no one handheld will ever be completely superior in every way.

[Kelvin @ Mar 1st 2006 3:25PM]

I dont understand, from my viewpoint we are on the same lines. As far as i think, im on the same lines as you becuse i dont believe that everyone has the same stance as me or anybody.That is partly what i was talking about, thats why i said critisizing someone elses choices are stupid. Why do you think then i was patronising and sad? if you read what i said, im sure youll see what im talking about. I dont think that one console is perfect. I definetly dont think the psp is perfect. But i said that critizing peoples choices is stupid. Isn't that the main point i was talking about?

So what are your disagreements about what i said.