Re: #24 Posted at 3:14PM on Apr 9th 2006 by lyd ******************************************** "Desclock - I am not trying to say Steve or Apple is unsuccessful. I think profitability is very important and by charging premiums on hardware and with ipod Apple is very profitable. Steve did a good job with it. But market share is what matters for software. You develop it once, it costs you millions or billions and than each next copy costs a few cents for the CDs and the box.
Apple is not gaining market share with OSX and might start losing money on its OS. The high price of development is already reflected in computer and upgrade prices. The lower the market share the higher the OS will cost which will end up in even a lower market share and it goes on... If Apple can not increase it market share soon there will be a time it won't be able to justify the investments they make on OS they will just stop upgrading it." ********************************************
In your post (#20) you said that Apple's market share is not increasing and you provided some numbers since Jobs returned to back that up. I was simply pointing out that it had already been declining for years at that point (but that Jobs added to that decline by killing off the Mac clones program).
But the crux of my post was to show that Apple's share has actually increased slightly in the last couple years (you'd said that it hasn't).
I am now curious about your post #24 vs your post #20. I agree with you in post #20 about Apple needing to sell hardware as that's where it gets its cash. I even I supported your argument by pointing out that Apple returned to profitability in part because Apple killed the clones program. It seems to me that licensing OS X would potentially have the same affect of cutting into Apple's hardware profits, but that's speculation on my part.
Anyway, in post #24, you're now making the argument that Apple might start losing money if it does "not increase its market share soon". That goes against historical evidence since they returned to profitability in 1998 and have been profitable since (despite their market share continuing to drop until 2003-2004).
Why do you think that Apple needs more market share? Windows Vista has the potential of cutting down Apple's market share, but isn't it presumptuous to say one way or the other until Vista comes out in 2007?
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Re: #24 Posted at 3:14PM on Apr 9th 2006 by lyd
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"Desclock - I am not trying to say Steve or Apple is unsuccessful. I think profitability is very important and by charging premiums on hardware and with ipod Apple is very profitable. Steve did a good job with it. But market share is what matters for software. You develop it once, it costs you millions or billions and than each next copy costs a few cents for the CDs and the box.
Apple is not gaining market share with OSX and might start losing money on its OS. The high price of development is already reflected in computer and upgrade prices. The lower the market share the higher the OS will cost which will end up in even a lower market share and it goes on... If Apple can not increase it market share soon there will be a time it won't be able to justify the investments they make on OS they will just stop upgrading it."
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In your post (#20) you said that Apple's market share is not increasing and you provided some numbers since Jobs returned to back that up. I was simply pointing out that it had already been declining for years at that point (but that Jobs added to that decline by killing off the Mac clones program).
But the crux of my post was to show that Apple's share has actually increased slightly in the last couple years (you'd said that it hasn't).
I am now curious about your post #24 vs your post #20. I agree with you in post #20 about Apple needing to sell hardware as that's where it gets its cash. I even I supported your argument by pointing out that Apple returned to profitability in part because Apple killed the clones program. It seems to me that licensing OS X would potentially have the same affect of cutting into Apple's hardware profits, but that's speculation on my part.
Anyway, in post #24, you're now making the argument that Apple might start losing money if it does "not increase its market share soon". That goes against historical evidence since they returned to profitability in 1998 and have been profitable since (despite their market share continuing to drop until 2003-2004).
Why do you think that Apple needs more market share? Windows Vista has the potential of cutting down Apple's market share, but isn't it presumptuous to say one way or the other until Vista comes out in 2007?