You knew the comparisons were going to be inevitable. Now that we've gotten our mitts on both next-gen consoles' motion-sensing input devices,
Nintendo's Wii controller and
Sony's PlayStation 3 controller have to go head to head. That's just the way of the world; who are we to question these two born adversaries, destined to square off in a no-holds barred peripheral deathmatch. So, what did we think? Well, you should already have a pretty good idea of
how we feel about the Wiimote. But what's up with the PlayStation 3 controller? Two controllers enter, one controller leaves.
Well, we should preface our thoughts by some interesting information we discovered talking to a lead developer at an unnamed publishing house: they discovered about the PS3 controller's motion sensing capabilities just a couple of weeks before E3, which is why we're not at all surprised there was only one motion-sensing capable playable on the floor, Warhawk. Does this last-minute decision point to indecisiveness or lack of direction in Sony's PlayStation group? Not necessarily, but you'd better believe it was a decision made in response to the capabilities of the Wiimote.
Now that we've got that out of the way, we played with the controller in two ways: on Heavenly Sword, which was buttons only and no motion, and in Warhawk, purposefully avoiding the buttons, so as to concentrate only on the translation of movement to game.
The controller itself is markedly light, as Sony lauded it to be. Perhaps this is because they ganked the rumble, perhaps this is because of some optimizations they've made to the hardware. But the result was something that some have described as cheap-feeling, but that we actually think shows foresight. When you're holding that controller out and swinging it around wildly for hours on end, you're not gonna want something that's going to make those atrophied gamer arms of yours buckle. Remember how appealing sounding that 17-inch laptop was when you first got it, but how much you wished it was an ultralight when you actually had to take it somewhere? We're thinking it could be like that.
The loss of rumble in the PS3 controller is definitely causing a fissure amongst the PlayStation fan community. We're sure it has everything to do with the fact that that the last minute addition of accelerometers and gyroscopic sensors nixed the possibility of force feedback (unlike Nintendo's external sensor-based motion system). We're not saying it's impossible they'll add rumble before the PS3 launches, but it doesn't look great if Sony's gonna stick to their current technological implementation.
Everything about using the controller as normal was otherwise status quo. The buttons felt and played like a PS2 controller, and the addition of a mini USB port -- which we're hoping they'll keep -- could mean easy charging, and possibly even use on a PC. The motion control, however, was another story entirely. Whereas the Wiimote seemed to produce different experiences in different games and scenarios, the only title being shown with motion on the PS3 produced one experience: laggy control. The level of sensitivity and correspondence of physical to virtual motion was more or less spot on, everything worked as we'd expected -- it just took a lot longer to register movement than we found acceptable. You'd bank left... then it banked left. Do we see this improving with time? Oh sure, no doubt about it.
We realize both controllers are still technically beta hardware, but if we had to choose based on the what we played with at the show, out the door we're gonna have to vouch for the Wii controller first and foremost. Both worked (in the basic-most sense of the word), and both provided a new level of immersion to gaming. But even assuming both functioned equally well, Nintendo's controller's shape and design proved to be more versatile in lending itself to a wide variety of uses and scenarios in movement-based gaming than did Sony's. The simple fact of the matter is Nintendo designed their controller from the ground up with the intention to play with movement, while Sony merely tacked the ability onto their own already-classic design. Now, if you want to talk about a scenario where you've got a severe button masher of a fighting game that needs a thorough going over on both platforms, you're going to have a completely different answer; but as long as we're talking about these controllers' performance with their newfound functions, we have to tip our hats to Nintendo.
posted May 13th 2006 11:30PM
Damn it..The Wii and PS3 are different things, people who have a Wii and say the PS3 sucks just can't afford a fucking PS3.
Wii is more like a multiplayer/party/fun console, and it's mainly boring to play alone
The PS3 is mainly a single player + online gaming console, it has multiplayer games, too, but it's also fun playing single player games on it.
I'm neutral and I think you shouldn't compare Sony and Nintendo, they both rock.
the wii controller definitely wins. Nintendo at least innovated, Sony only copied. The fact that Nintendo went out and made a controller without knowing how the general public would respond with it shows that they had balls and because of that, they should be considered the only innovators around.
Ya i agree... the wii's controller is actually adding something entirely new where as ps3 is just adding a function... this is going to be truely a very interesting fight.
Playstations controllers are awful... adding in a gimmick wont help.
Wii wins.
Sony's gyroscope is nothing but a useless gimmick added on to the already aging Dual-shock controller.
To what degree of Playstation's 6 degrees compete with the Wii? Hehe, that rhymes! Still, I hate them for copying.
Let me make it easy for you:
PS3 controller: cheap, too light, unoriginal, no rumble
Wii controller: Gimicky, good weight, solid build, rumble, microphone, actual motion sensing.
I guess Wii wins.
At the moment I have a PS2 and wanted a PS3. After waiting nearly a year for it to come out in Europe (live in the UK), I have decided that the Nintendo Wii is a lot better and who would want a £350/€499/$499 box that's gonna make an expensive, big machine? Wii is a hell of a lot better because it's so futuristic and is only going to cost £179 (that's right)/$249.99/€249. That's quite a difference, especially in Sterling.
I just love this one from GoNintendo.
http://gonintendo.com/?p=2545 Watch it copy Nintendo again =)
Who cares if sony copied nintendo? does that make any difference whatsoever? does it make the ps3 crap? does it cheapen nintendo? NO! stop the bitching and just enjoy the fact that you have two new systems. crybabies.
Sony hasn't been doing so hot at E3 this year. I've been pretty disapointed so far. At least their games have been pretty. If even their first party developers were kept in the dark until a couple weeks ago, then maybe they have a few more surprises. Doubtful, but maybe.
I don't get how you can compare the two. They are used for different environments/ purposes. The Nintendo is designed for a non-gamer for non-typical games. I love the new idea and can't wait to play it, but just don't agree with the comparison.
One note I would like to express is that I see the ability to sell third-party controllers for the PS3 and X-Box that would uilize this technology if it infact takes hold. I for one hope that it gets picked up throughout all the consoles. I don't, however, see the classic controler fading. Expect to buy the classic controler for the Wii shortly after buying the system.
I would like the Wii controler for certain fun family games, but I'd stick by the classic for any serious tong-term gaming.
I'll take the Xbox 360 controller, thank you.
I'll buy Nintendo's if they change the name back to Revolution.
youre saying no becase of a name? a real gamer wouldent dive a dam about that!
WHAT THE HELL DOES THE NAME HAVE TO DO WITH THAT
the problem is choice. Nintendo came into the light with the Wii understating games under the influence of graphics will not change the industry. So Sony came in, copied Nintendo changing their motive under the influence of JUST graphics and pulling them into what little sort of is the same league of Nintendo.
WTF MAN!! all the wiitards think the ps3 only has graphics it has so many goddamn things that nobody even knows about, YOU CAN FRICKEN RUN WINDOWS VISTA ON IT!! It is a pc and a game's console, and for all those fools who thought graphics do not make a difference, they do!! You would not play on a cruddy game that is 2d but you can move around in 3d enviroment! Also when playstation home comes out! hAHAHAHAHAhaAHAHAHHAaHhaH! THe wii's "miis" are gonna be completely pwned!!
but the wii is admitably good, i have also noticed the wii generally is owned by the younger people, when people begin to learn more about systems (older people) they get more sophisticated consoles like PS3...
kash,
I love my PS3 but PLEASE stop making the rest of look all stupid and crazy. You CANNOT run Vista on it first off it lacks the ram to do so (vista requiring atleast 512megs of ram and the PS3 only having 256!). Someone got XP up and going through emulation via Linux but it took something like 27 mins to load just the OS (can't natively load any windows on the PS3 so it HAS to be done through emulation on a linux install). The PS3 is powerful don't get me wrong but spreading lies isn't going to help things... AND YES WII's CONTROLLERS ARE BETTER Kash, that doesn't mean the PS3 isn't good in its own right!
Ahhh... Sony was considering motion-sensing controllers long before the wiimote was shown off. Way back in 2001 or 2002 I beleive some Sony person was talking very positively about future posibilities for the PS3 controller. Its really not that unique a technology anyway...
It's Wii booming:
http://revolution.ign.com/articles/708/708558p1.html
PS3 is going down... in overall, not only the controller..
But I still think PS3 will sell a lot due to its previous popularity however this time Nintendo will be catching up rapidly. Interesting.
I hope third party developers see Wii as a dominant console and put famous games on it such as MGS (Snake is already in Smash), Devil may cry, etc so the hardcore gamers can stop saying 'Nintendo is for kiddies'.
i think sony just saved nintendo's ass on this one. if nintendo was the only company to have a motion sensor controller, it would likely be written off by many as a useless gimmick, that doesn't add much to the gaming experience, and many game developers would not have put much effort into putting motion control into their games.
however, having two of the big three gaming companies having motion sensitive controllers, public acceptance of it will go way up. now not only are the nintendo fanboys spouting off about the benefits of motion control, the sony fanboys are agreeing. sony has basically validated nintendo's assertion that motion is good for gaming, where they probably could have convinced the public that it was useless.
it also helps nintendo that sony's controller seems more limited
I don't think that's true. After all Nintendo released a portable console like no other (DS). Its touch screen was a breakthrough and never considered a "useless gimmick". I think the same goes fot Wiimote's motion sensor!
you're a wise man Mr. Kyle. Nintendo will be better off.
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=31681
just look at that and wonder
hum...is it really just the controller?
or is the whole thing
even tho both system are in beta stage
this shows sony is WAY behind nintendo
no
not exactly
sonys focusing on "supah powahs!" (really fast, multitask)
and nintendos focusing on "hai-ya!" (interactive)
I just wish nintendo and the sony video game branch would team up
multitasking superpowered interactive music-and-video-playing game machine
...
thats faster than 5 computers combined
...
and is small
...
but not too small
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and long distance wifi
...
ok... thats too many dots
the ps3 controller does look a little crapply made
but hey its feel that matters
...something tells me hard-core gamers will still buy the wii
i mean who can forget super smash bros, zelda, metroid, etc
i still play nes/ super nes/ n64/ other systems
but hey thats just my opinion
Yeah, Sony definitely stole Nintendo's idea. In fact, in response to Nintendo's "Innovation", they had their R&D department to invent a time machine so they could actually travel back to 1999 and patent the technology they are using in the PS3 controller.
http://v3.espacenet.com/textdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=JP11099284&F=0&QPN=JP11099284
Wait...Does this mean you guys actually believe Sony dropped the rumble because of the motion sensing stuff??? As in, it had nothing at all to do with them losing the case against Immersion Corp. and refusing to pay the licence fee for their rumble patent???
I've always been a "casual" gamer, even when I got "hard core" about it, but I haven't played many video games since I gave away my N64 5 years ago.
I never got into the PS controller, and it has all seemed like more graphics piled onto the same first-person shooter and racing games since the PS came out-- PS, PS2, PS3, XBox, and XBox 360 are all the same to me.
What I'm hearing about the Wii makes me want to play video games again.
Part of it is a Nintendo bias on my part-- I remember 1980 like it was yesterday, and my parents appreciated the non-killing aspect of the Nintendo gaming mindset. The NES was a huge leap forward from the Atari 2600, and they've been in the lead since.
Haven't the always been the most innovative video game company?
they added the tilt and removed the rumble. nintendo kept the rumble, added a pointer, a speaker, and an attachment that could be used for whatever damn thing a developer wants.
And Nintendo stole motion sensitive ideas from home alarms, in fact Motion Senors has been out for quite some time now. But the only difference is, is that Nintendo annouced they were using it for their system first, I mean who hasn't though of it being a great idea to use motion sensors.
Basically:
Wii Controller: Mainly based on Motion Sensitivity
PS3 Controller: Multi functional
Xbox 360 controller: Multi Functional
Its not which has better Motion Sensitivity or whatever, but how it feels in hand. The Xbox 360's control is some what big compare to other controller but it feels great in hand, and its basically the same design as the Xbox but no one complained about that.
oh-- and if I had $600 to spend on a game machine, I'd just build a fast, stripped-down PC...:)
Well if we are going to go back to who had it first. I owned a Microsoft Sidewinder Freestyle Pro back in 1999 and it played EXACTLY like the the "NEW" controller in the Sony demo. Tilt left..1.2.Ok the game responded, OOO turn hard right..1.2. damn crashed..
Totally useless for any game requiring rapid change in motion.. Unless Sony has added an acceleration sensor to compensate for rapid tilt I think we will see the same in the end product..
Go watch demos of teh Wii where they show the player and video at the same time.. The reaction to control is smooth and almost instant.. The Wii has, tilt, acceleration and IR distance tracking, making it new and very accurate.
the fact that sony took out rumble to put in a laggy motion sensor is not a good sign for the brains behind sony....
Well verdicts in NINTENDO OWNED E3, OWNED SONY AND THAT'S NOT FANBOY TALK THAT'S THE BUZZ ON LINE. Wii's LINE WAS BROKE RECORDS. WHILE SONY'SWAS QUIET. HELL EVEN MICROSOFT TURNED AGIANST SONY. IT'S SEEMS THAT SONY'S FORMULA FOR SUCCESS (targeting only late teen to 20something yr old males by just uping graphics, making sequels, and stealing ideas) HAS BACK FIRED. ALL OF THE HIT GAMES THEY HAVE AREN'T EVEN MADE BY THEM, NO ORIGINALITY IS **** ISN'T SONY FANBOY, BUT DON'T TAKE IT FROM ME READ THESE 2 ARTICLES YOURSELF. DON'T BE SCARED ARTICLE AS YOU READ ACTUALLY EXPRESS THE THOUGHTS OF THE WHOLE IGN STAFF. READ IT SONY BOY I DARE U!
http://revolution.ign.com/articles/707/707831p1.html
http://revolution.ign.com/articles/708/708558p1.html
EXCEPT FOR THE PEOPLE WHO THAT ARE SO SONY FANBOY THAT THEY ARE WILLING TO PAY THE $600 BANDWAGON FEE.
Between what people are bloging and the actual reporters from ign to gamespot to g4tv. Everyones completely turned agianst Sony for copying and just well....... posing. And for the small amount people out there saying it's still stupid waving some wand around. First off your not a REAL gamer. Your just some poser who's more concerned about what thier wearing and how cool they look over just enjoying the experience, probably the same type that boubght a PSP, why? Because it's sexy....mostly Sony posers! Second if you'd been listen swinging the control is just exgerated show everyone at home gets the idea.
But It's clear all over the net by blogs and actually professinal web reporters, and from all at E3...Sony fell today. In order to stay #1 you have to keep putting out new things....TRUELY NEW... NOT JUST IMPROVED!
Why are all of us fighting?! We all want and/or own them all! STFU and work together, this is nothing epic or sacred. It is entertainment and worldly. These blessings are not given to us to foster division; Rather they exist to bring us together.
Remember: Even portable systems have a means for multiplayer. No modern console has just one controller port. Even pong had room for one more. This enmity must stop, it's poison for the community and on an individual level it's just petty.
?-------!Read this idiots, so you can get the facts strait!---?
I took 10 minutes out of my life to write this and ill say it from the beginning, I am a Sony fan boy. But that doesn?t overpower the facts.
Ok Ill start from the begging.
Sony did not steal the idea from Nintendo. They have held a patent for it for years. I lost the link, and the one in this page someone posted is dead. In fact I faintly remember Microsoft using the same idea Sony is using in there ?PC Series of controllers the ?SIDEWINDERS? This was YEARS ago. Another fun fact, motion sensing has been around for years in arcades. I even played a sword game at a local movie THEATHRE, where u use a sword and a motion bar to slash your enemies. Konami was even going to release a game called ?Police 911 ? http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/action/police911/story.html?sid=2762376 ? for the Ps2 that INCLUDED a sensor bar like the one the Wii has, but never did. I played that game at an Arcade years ago and it was awesome. Those are a few fun facts about the Wii components.
W/E if u want to get technical, the two controllers are not the same technology at all. The Wii requires a external sensor, where as the ps3 controller is about its 6 axis tilt system. I hope Nintendo realizes everything that?s going to go wrong, and has tested there crap in a million real world situations. You know not everyone likes to jump around for hours playing Zelda, its going to get old real quick. OK onto the ps3, This has been said a million times. But most retards will bash Sony right away and say they copied them. I for one think the Wii is going to flop, just like the game cube did. Just look back at the E3 before the cube launched. They were just as excited about the launch of the cube as they are now about the Wii. I say good bye Nintendo, there?s no way there going to survive this flop. They have put to much money in to this investment. Nintendo forgets that the times are changing and gamers alike. Kiddie stuff like the Wii is just that, for kids, and the real money is in real gaming, not duck hunt. So Nintendo I salute you for the Nintendo, Super Nintendo, and your game boys'. After the N64, that?s where it ended for them. There just gasping for air, and its running out quick.
And what # 19 said, the rumble feature is gone because of that
"As in, it had nothing at all to do with them losing the case against Immersion Corp. and refusing to pay the license fee for their rumble patent???"
I?m more that sure it will never return. I personally never liked it anyway.
So there?s 5 months and change for the ps3 launch, things can change. This gives Sony plenty of time to finish everything up. They will get there shit together. Just look at the look back at pre e3, how everyone was saying ?Ps3 wont even show at all?. It was all hate. We shall see in the coming months. The next stop is the TOKYO GAME SHOW September 22nd; this is where Sony will strut its stuff for real. Also, Just as the ps2 true power wasn?t blooming at launch, but did a year or 2 later; the true power of the ps3 will not be exploited anytime soon. I?m predicting 2007 the year of the games. This years games will surely not use the ps3?s full potential. We will just have to wait. The one game that gets me wet is MGS 4.
(27), mr. bot-- u spelled "pwnd" wrong..."/
Personally, I think they all have their uses. Look at Sega, Xbox's controller is the most similar to Dreamcast (GodRestItsSoul). Yet, Sega develops for all, unhindered by interface. They have their differences. But, when you get down to it, were you to bring your classic 70s arcade player to today, all systems would be astounding.
To each their own. Let it be fun.
Mr. Bot calm down. No one really cares what you have to say anyways, never mind hearing you shou(Hint: Hit the caps lock button next time idiot). Get back to playing Mario 1000: Mario does nothing while I get back to playing MGS3. Nice spelling of "you" by the way.
Yes Nintendo has this great controller and a great idea in fact to implement motion sensing technology in their nextgen controller, but what about the games? Isn't that what "gaming" is all about? I mean even if the Wii is better gaming-functionality wise compared to the PS3, it still won't have the backing of great game titles. Ok, the Wii has Mario, Zelda, and Metroid, but that can't compare to what the PS3 is getting. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to play Nintendo's classics on their nextgen system using their nextgen controller, but if I were to have to choose which system to spend my money on, I'd probably choose the PS3. Who knows, Sony could pull something completely new before the PS3 releases.
(I just have to say that even if motion sensing technology is not relatively new, I do admit that Sony is copying Nintendo in the fact that they are placing motion sensing technology in their controllers which is the copy aspect)
Am I the only gamer here who thinks that all of this motion sensing stuff is stupid? I guess I haven't tried these controllers yet, but I usually don't want to jump around and swing my controller when I'm playing a game. I'd be perfectly happy if Sony kept the dual shock with no changes at all...it's still the best controller out there, in my opinion.
...Oh and number thirty is a master at fortune telling. Nintendogs isn't for everyone, but it does what it's supposed to - make people smile.
"Nintendo forgets that the times are changing and gamers alike. Kiddie stuff like the Wii is just that, for kids, and the real money is in real gaming, not duck hunt."
I'm twenty-two. I played duckhunt when I was five. Even if it's kiddie games, maybe bringing the kid out of the jaded older me is what I need. My friends feel the same. We're gonna get a wii and push each other out of the way to get to the tv screen. I will have fun and Shigeru will continue to be a rich man. I'm not saying Sony's worse. If you read my previous comments you'd see there is no 'worse' for me. I'm just saying you suck at time telling, friend.
I wonder if Sony actually thinks they're fooling someone. Do they even want people to buy their PS3? Back in E3 2005 Ken Kutaragi said," The Playstation 3(Praystation 3, in the way he said it) is not targeted towards households", then who the hell are they targeting? Not only that, but they are really making themselves look bad. When Nintendo unveiled the Wiimote has motion sensing capabilities, Sony made fun of them. When Microsoft announced the 360 would have 2 SKU's, Sony made fun of them. When Nintendo said people prefer gameplay and innovation over graphics and power, Sony made fun of them. Well look at Sony now. They copied motion sensing capabilities from the Wiimote, they put 2 SKU's on the Playstation 3, and they are now acting like they're innovative and trying to improve gameply with their gimmicky controller that can only be used for driving games and flight simulators. Sony, you aren't fooling anyone. So stop pretending like you are, and either come up with original high quality games that won't break, or get out of the gaming industry, because you don't belong.
1. Learn how to spell. Grammar would help too.
2. You seem to like using the term "fanboy". That comment shows that YOU are indeed, the true fanboy. Not to mention a hater.
3. Microsoft is worried about people going, "Hmmm... For $100 more I'm getting much better of a deal with the PS3 then the 360". OFCOURSE they're going to side with Nintendo.
4. What you Nintendo fanboys don't understand is that people DON'T buy games/systems for graphics. For the last few YEARS, you people assume they do (just because the PS3 does indeed, have the better hardware). Very ignorant.
5. Nintendo is using DVDs for the Wii. They're copying Sony. doWn w1th teh c0ppy3rs!!1!1!1!!one
Sony has had the patent for that controller since 1999, buddy.
6. The PSP does look sexy, but also is an excellent portable system. It has a slur of good games and some truly cool features. Homebrew also is awesome.
7. So every previous system was crap? After all, they just improved on the system before them. Nothing "truely" new.
8. Don't forget that the PS3 has shown impressive titles too. MGS4, DMC, Tekken, GT, Heavenly Sword, the list goes on.
I might want to consider where the "Bandwagon" really lies, if I were you.
Flaws in the Wii:
1. I love the Wii and will buy it. But to what extent can you really use it? To do a spin attack in Zelda you must (hardly) jerk the controller left to right. I like the innovation there, that doesn't sound like it'll get annoying at all.
2. I have a small room. I play games while sitting on the bottom bunk. Playing on the Wii really is going to suck at times. I can just imagine how much times I will bang my hand on the metal rods.
3. Lots of people tend to put there systems in cluttered spaces (ex. under the television). For people like that, lag will happen. Lots. The fact that you have to put it in an ideal area really sucks.
4. I understand that Nintendo isn't going for hardware. But something that tends to happen is when people play the PS2, it's HARD to play the PS1 due to the graphics. This may just happen with the Wii...
5. A HELL LOT of gamers think the Wii is stupid and even laugh at the idea. Remember, the majority of console owners are "offline gamers".
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I think this is just hard on all Sony fanboys, because never before has Sony taken an ass whup'n like that and it's kinda funny, because as long as Sony was in the driver seat it was cool for all Sony fanboys to talk about Nintendo and anyone else. Now that the dust has cleared and the next-gen has started tey've taken a back seat to not only Microsoft, but dun, dun,dun....Nintendo not just my words as any Sony fanboy who's been watching G4tv, or gamespot, ign or just cruz'n the net knows Sony got owned. And with all that talk about power cell this blu that and than do a watered down version of Wii's controller and try to pass it off...hell they deserve it!
http://revolution.ign.com/articles/707/707831p1.html
http://revolution.ign.com/articles/708/708558p1.html
And for $600 dollars all ye faithfull fanboys still defending
boy who writes in this blog 10 year olds or what, bunch of crybabies.
what people still don't get is sony didn't take out the rumble because they wanted to but because they were forced to take it out by the courts for the loss of the law suit . Now let me ask you guys this who amongst you have and still use sony official controllers. i think wireless 3rd party controllers has pretty much taken over the primary controllers of the ps2, and other systems am i wrong on this! so wait till the 3rd party new controllers hit the market you will be surprised to see some of them reintroduce the rumble with wireless sensors as they have signed up contracts with immersion . Give it time controllers will change.
As for the $600 i agree it is hefty but if you compare machines (xbox to ps3) fully loaded comes out to about the same and the xbox will be more expensive actually with the addition of the hdvd external drive.
As for the motion sensor well it was introduced to the pcs back in the late 90?s nothing new about it it was actually very crapy for games I am glad sony and Nintendo both have introduced it on the new consoles and as the technologies grow they will try to make it better. Competition is healthy.
so people grow up! ps3 will be bought , xbox will be bought, Wii will be bought (hate that name sounds too childish/perverted) , most of you that are bitching about it any of them will end up owning one anyways
So chill and enjoy the gaming
Let them compete its good for us consumers!
[When Microsoft announced the 360 would have 2 SKU's, Sony made fun of them.]
You remember a few years ago, when there wasn't even a thought of the XBOX2 in the press, but PS3 was getting hype? Sony had said then that they would most likely release two versions, a basic, and a buffed up version.
Get your facts straight before posting. kthxbai
This is the PSP vs DS arguement rehashed. This has no point. If you bought them both you might notice that you have a few gems you like to play on the DS and you can hack the hell out of the PSP. They both rock, there is no competition, no comparison, it just is. The conflict, like the concept of money, is in your head. All consoles have someone that likes them. All consoles entertain someone. Money makes little difference in the end. You don't care whether Kutaragi or Miyamoto's pockets are lined - You just want to play. And all of them deliver, so stop making mountains out of mole hills. Play the damn games, numbers mean little when it comes to your happiness. Besides, with a mini usb port they could likely add rumble later, and with nintendo's classic controller, fighters wont be a problem. The consoles have matured, why haven't you?
Look at Neo-Geo... Now, look at those 1000 games in one keychains. Someone was entertained by both. The number of those people is an abstract idea that we've come to compare a system's worth to, when in truth, it's about how YOU like it. So quit yer bitchin, these people make games, so play them.
...And MMagic, that's the right state of mind.
hmm... here's what I think:
-PS3 is gut reaction to Wii controller (no matter how hard Sony execs try to hide it, its obvious)
-The two technologies are similar, but the PS3 version is a half-a$$ed version. Both contain accelerometers and gyros to detect movement and tilt.. but the external sensor for the Wii is what detects where the controller is pointing. So the functionality is completely different. if you don't believe me...
http://press.nintendo.com/articles.jsp?id=9164
http://press.nintendo.com/articles.jsp?id=9129
those press releases reveal the technology behind the Wii controller.
-Either Sony ran out of space for rumble, or they couldn't do it because of the lawsuit. I personally don't believe that the rumble will affect the accelerometer, considering that the Wii controller has rumble and the tech behind both are similar.
-The reason motion sensing controllers failed in the past is because they haven't been implemented correctly, the PS3 controller is the same, bad implementation(especially b/c they added it last minute) while Nintendo has been developing the Wii and the controller for a long time.
-The shape of the two controllers is completely different. For the Wii, the shape allows it to accomodate completely new play styles where the controller becomes an object that you're holding in the game. The PS3 controller pretty much needs to be held like a traditional gamepad.(Even then, the shape is disgustingly uncomfortable IMHO. I cramp up when I use that controller, the boomerang would probably have felt more comfortable)
-The Wii controller allows for many expansions. The classic controller will allow for traditional gameplay. Super Smash Bros. Brawl is probably the first game to utilize this. And the Wii also allows for games to be played with the Cube controller.
Before this E3, I thought the PS3 probably had it in the bag for the next-generation. However, now it seems like the Wii will definitely be the dominating console for the next 5 years.
"2006 is going to be a huge year. I've played Wii and it is as good as the Big N promises... " -Matt C. IGN
17. http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=31681
just look at that and wonder
hum...is it really just the controller?
or is the whole thing
even tho both system are in beta stage
this shows sony is WAY behind nintendo
Posted at 12:19AM on May 14th 2006 by will 0 stars
Dude! Sony got a Dell!!! That is unbelieveably amazing. What this means is that when the PS3 reaches the hands of hackers, they will be working feverishly to get a PC emulator up and running to play PS3 games. What it also means is that NOTHING in terms of hardware has rolled off the factory floor. I can say many bad things about this, but probably the worst is that they don't even know what potentially disasterous design flaws exist with the hardware, case, cooling, etc. Undeniably, this has to be the most rushed hack job for piece of hardware I've ever seen (you'd have to be blind and stupid not to see it)
Wow, laggy control on the one PS3 game that featured motion sensitivity. A little more works needs to be done on that.
I'm ready to get a Wii, but I do want to try it out first.
The PS3 uses IBM's PowerPC Architecture so PC Emulation is possible but more likely is Linux. The current version of linux supports the Cell Processor already. The fact that the PS3 has Synergistic Processing Units sets it apart from the Revolution and that it can drive two tv's with HDMI(video and sound at HDTV resolution). If you want to talk about real innovation, take a look at the cell processor and the octopiler that it uses. That is the future of computing, on the other hand the Revolution has its own innovative technologies, the Motion sensor controller, a slot loading drive that accepts two types of media safely. The second is actually a huge leap forward, for anyone who has ever used an Apple laptop you'll know that if you try to put small CD's in there is a possibility that it will jam and you have to then eject it with disasterous results. With the revolution this is gone.
On a side note: Sony, IBM, and Toshiba have all been testing the Cell processor like mad because it has more potential use than just in the PS3. Also just to clear this up, the cell processor is not an 8 core CPU, the cores are spread all through out the case, thats why it is called the cell broadband engine, the chips all work together at high speed, yet are separated from each other. This helps with cooling and such.
I find it hilarious that although Nintendo says that they are attempting to drive innovation through gameplay and new ideas they are still promoting new hardware, although its different, its still hardware.
Its also interesting to note that all of the consoles have CPUs with the same architecture, PowerPC and are all 64-bit. Their like G5's minus the radiator required for cooling.
Well thats it. My grammer probably sucks at certain points and I probably left out words but I hope that I got my point across. Sony might have made an ass of themselves at E3 but they still will sell PS3's. Nintendo was the star at E3 this year and they too will sell Revolution's. Remember it all comes down to personal taste. If want a PS3 you will get a PS3 same thing with a revolution or 360. Heck I just want to install OSX on it and turn it into a super computer.
Wow I digressed again.
#29,
If you want to tell your entire life's story, go make a friend.
i mean, it's a discussion about two Controllers, and at the end of your post, I know that you work in mortgages, that you like warhawk, and how you feel about every single console released in the last 8 years. And you end your post with "I believe PS3 is the better system."
it's about controllers.
keep it to the topic at hand.
playstation is wonderful game system
#44,
"The PS3 uses IBM's PowerPC Architecture "
Are you smoking crack? or everyone(including Sony) talking about PS3's Cell Processors smoking Crack?
Although Nintendo was the first out the door w/ a motion sensing controller on a next-gen console, Sony should not be persecuted for "taking" Nintendo's idea.
All innovation begins somewhere. All ideas go through rough drafts. The difference between Sony and Nintendo is the degree of refinement. Nintendo has been toying with its controller for a while, and so have their developers--and their controller shows the work that has been put into it. In contrast, because the Sony controller has not gone through very much refinement; it is natural for it to be quite basic. That does not necessary imply that it will continue forever to doomed--it instead implies that it will become even better.
Sony has invested way too much money in the PS3 for it to flop because of how poorly it's controller functions. Over the span of the console, I expect the the controller to more responsive, and the controller/game relationship should also develop greatly.
Case in point--the DS. Intially, it was the most ridiculous device. Playing with a stlyus was contrived, and the 2 screen system confusing. Nevertheless, over time some very interesting games have been produced that take advantages of these apparent flaws.
Through the PS3 will be expensive, I think the price of the Wii will not nearly reflect the true price to own. I see Wii well suited in a family enviornment, where at least two Wiimotes are required. Addtionally, the classic controller will ne necessary to play the classic and ported games-and who could pass up the super-cool revamped gun? Comparatively, most people will only buy a second controller for the PS3 (which may end up being used only computers too).
#48, are you smoking crack?
Everyone knows the Cell is based on IBM's PowerPC architecture. read up before you bash somebody.
I think there is a lot of shock right now regarding Sony's suspicious and ill timed announcement of the motion sensing controller. However, by launch time these gut reactions will have simmered a bit, and gamers and developers alike will have a much better perspective on how they see these two controllers.
I for one support Sony's move and realize that imitation has always and will always occur among console makers. Microsoft imitated Sony's 4 shoulder buttons with x360 (which improves control for fps' btw). Controllers in general have always taken the best of those that came before.
I was disappointed (though not surprised) that this article focused negatively on the fact that Sony's implementation is much more recent (and that its software was less progressed) rather than delving into how the two forms are actually different and why one might be better than another. Why not rather let us in the the difference in the controller hardware specifically?
Although I have no idea which is using better technology, I foresee there being a huge difference in how games can be manipulated with these controllers and I see advantages to both. Example; Sony motion sensing probably won't make a good tennis game because it has no sense of 3d space, but might might make a better flight sim because you still have existing buttons in place and great tilt control. All in all, the Wii should have more original experiences while PS3 might work better with traditional style games (traditional style driving, sports, action, and rpg's) . In no way can a Wii game be ported over to a ps3 on its new controller. Because of this there is not as much copying going on as people imply.
I think Sony's controller works well with their existing strategy and Nintendo's controller works well with theirs. Wii's strength is its radically unique gaming experience through innovative control and delivering more games through cheaper and simpler development costs. Sony's strength is in allowing you to better interact with a traditional style game while vastly improving on physics, A.I. and graphics.
I am looking forward to both these consoles and will likely buy both. I think the ps2 had a great layout and hope that Sony improves it's analog feel a tad for ps3. As for which controller is better, I think the Wii wins simply because it is more groundbreaking. Sony's overall package though, may very well be my choice because I am a big fan of older genres and look forward to the evolution of those games on the PS3.
Man all of ya'll know that the Wii controller is amazing when it comes to functionality, innovation, features, fun, etc. So why compare the ps3 to the Wii(systems), when that is not asked to be discussed. Take those kinda of agruements elsewhere.
Personaly I didn't experience any lag when I played warhawk, and had a smooth time controlling the ship...but maybee that's just me... Did think the game was a bit to easy though :-P...
Only got to paly one game on the Wii (Duckhunt) and I think it's overly sensative, also the infrared thing kind of upsets me, I don't like having to point at the console in order to play, if there's one thing i prefer about sonys solution it's this and the fact that it feels like the all too familiar dualshock(still imho the best controller...period)
Currently i also believe it's a silly feature on both consoles, that doesn't 'advance' gameplay in any real direction. I would prefer if neither of them had it.
Cell proc is designed by IBM/Toshiba/Sony under the PowerPC architecture, if you don't believe me read IBMs open-source hardware release at their Cell website[http://www.research.ibm.com/cell/] just to put this one to rest.
#50,
please take your own advice.
Cell is A new Technology that uses Cell Broadband Engine Architecture.
PowerPC processor is made by IBM using the time tested RISC processor technology.
cell:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_processor
PowerPC:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powerpc
XBOX360 is based on PowerPC. that is why the Dev kits were Mac G5s.
Cell processor is reletively new. that is why game developers are facing a learning curve.
Please...
I mean PLEASE...
Do some research, or read this blog more carefully. Before you try to come off as someone with a clue.
Okay, Sony Fanboys have to be rebutted.
1. Wii-mote is not a gimmick. Look at the library of games that Nintendo has already created for the new controller type. It's their main focus. Their gamble.
2. Innovation. Sure, Sony has a patent. it's got lots of patents. Would it have applied one to their next gen controller if they hadn't seen nintendo's offering? Come on.
3. You don't see the use of the motion sensing controller? Until Brain Age and Nintendogs came along, the Dual Screen on the DS seemed unfeasible. Nintendo conceptualized and implemented. Good chance to do it again.
The only problem i see with Wii are the games that require button mashing. Like the Devil may Crys or Virtua Fighter. Twitch spamming with wrist motions is a lot more taxing than deftly spinning fingers.
they can prolly code around that. But Dual Shock Controllers will never be able to do FPS well. Not as well as Wii.
Wii ftw. Versatility. And stop with the PS3 vs Nintendo debate. Its stupid. Its PS3 Online vs Xbox Live that will truly decide the era. Whoever can make the Online Gaming Console Services (OGCS) free will win.
If Sony or MS can't do it then Nintendo will win.
The difference between PowerPC and Cell, you can just about squeeze into the grand f$%^&* canyon.
#50, Cell is a dynamic setup where the technology allows you to configure the processor's onboard components into number of different ways. It is developed to bridge the gap between traditional processors like Pentiums and PowerPCs by including/excluding known components for the given use.
PS3 uses CELL. XBOX360 uses PowerPC. THAT IS THE DEBATE for performance. Which technology is faster.
IF PS3 was based on the PowerPC, where is the contest?
read this article:
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=31681
they even mock the complexities of coding in CELL by saying,
"Has wii found the dev team that managed to crack the cell coding puzzle?"
Neither controller is new. The PS3 controller has the same accelerometers that have been used several times over the years. The Wii remote is a re-shaped light gun with rotation sensing.
my dayz ok im guessin most of the people who write in here are american.....? well im english and over here in europe gaming is differant people dont spend 24 hours a day playin a game. the main point people are trying to point out is that sony have copied nintendo where as i see it differantly. there helping each other be successful by helping beat microsoft. but i cant hide that sony will win the console war and as long as they keep makin consoles they always will.
Also everyone keeps chattin shit about nintendo being revolutionary nd gaming will die without out it bull shit. Biggest selling console of all time....PS2 biggest selling game GTA and the 'innovation' you retards everygame is pretty much the same on nintendo improved graphics differant button config or what eva what did they do differant to mario 64 called it mario sunshine and stuck a gay waterpack on his back piece of shit xbox360 is a pile of shit aswell no fukin gd games comin out apart from halo3
ps3 will triuph once again with god of war another ico or shadow of callosuss another gran turismo another gta and another host of games from my favorite.....sega
> The WII's controller is NOTHING NEW.
You don't play U-Force or Power Glove games like you play with the Wii-Remote.
> Nintendo allways tries something new with their hardware. Unfortunately they stop supporting their own hardware shortly after its released.
"Allways"? I suppose you might be thinking of the GC-GBA link. Ok. What about analog sticks? Four joystick ports? Wi-Fi and Touch Screen on the DS? Shoulder buttons and Mode 7 on the SNES? I think by 'always', you really meant they've let you down a couple of times.
> You make it sound like WII is reinventing the entire first person perspective gaming.
Just a nitpick, arcade shooters are not FPS's. You do not run around in Time Crisis. You basically just point and shoot. Terrible example. In any event, Nintendo's controller is far better for first person perspective gaming than what you can do with a traditional console controller, and it has some strengths (and weaknesses, I'll concede) with the standard keyboard and mouse. Part of me wants to go into a long-winded explanation of why you're wrong, but I'm not going to. Go read up on Red Steel. Watch the trailer. The people ya-hooing over the Wii are excited because they've been shown they can do more in a game. It's not because they're all smoking narcotics.
> I wonder how motion sensing technology is going to work with such a wide variation of screen sizes and televison designs.
This is an amusing comment for a couple of reasons. 1.) They had a show floor FULL of them at E3 and they worked well. 2.) They use a sensor bar that has absolutely nothing to do with the crappiness of their TV. The controller doesn't see the TV, it sees the sensor bar. You can even use a projector with it and it'll work just fine.
> Yes it is very expensisive but it doesn't matter.
Uh, yes it does. There are people out there that will buy it, I have no qualms with anybody saying that. However, the price will most assuredly affect it's market penetration. When people start having to figure out if they need to sell blood or max out their credit cards, doubt will settle in as to whether they'll actually find it worth buying or worth waiting until the price comes down. Some will even say "screw that, I'll get an XBOX or a Wii".
That said, there is something smart about what Sony's doing. Microsoft couldn't produce enough 360's to satisfy the market, and they sold them at a loss. By raising the price, Sony is lowering demand, and making the supply problem easier on their end. Let's say they can sell 1 million units at $600 and 5 million units at $300. If they only have 1 million to sell, the smart thing to do is price it at $600. It was rough on Microsoft having a high demand product with no units to sell. Sony will likely fare better. They are, however, going to have a very difficult time continuing to sell the PS3 to the mass-market at that price, primarily because of the competition they're facing. I can tell you right now that I had no interest in the XBOX 360 until Sony announed their price tag. $600 is too much.
> Most of the games coming out for XBOX 360 with the exception of Halo 3 will be ported on PS3.
That works against you. The 360 is cheaper. Why pay the premium for the PS3 if you can play the same games on the XBOX 360?
> I doubt Wii will be able to recieve those same ports. When the next gen GTA hits store shelves once again, Nintendo owners will be left out.
That's life in the game market. Stick with one system, leave a few games out. It works the other way, too, as you've admitted with Halo 3. Niether Sony nor Microsoft will have Nintendo's games. Worse, you'll be able to play Nintendo's games more affordably.
> I'm betting on PS3 and XBOX 360 once again.
Erm, okay. So this is about who sells the most consoles, right? Though I'm confident in Nintendo, I do not know who will sell the most units. The thing is, though, these companies are trying to make a profit, not trying to make the numbers spin. Nintendo clobbered Sony and Microsoft in terms of profit. Nintendo could be in third place this round and STILL make more money than both of them combined. That shouldn't matter much to you though, all it does is make you look like you were lucky in guessing. You should be worried about whether or not the money you spent on these games yielded valuable entertainment. If you spent $600 on a PS3 and bought a few games, and had fun with them thus making you feel like it was money well spent, you win! You made a wise decision! Bravo! I'm serious, no sarcasm here. But if you used weak rationale, like you're doing right now, to avoid a system that might actually have been better for you, what then? You end up with less entertainment in your life. Oopsie.
Enjoy whatever system you get.
btw does the Wiimote have vibration / rumble ?
I won't comment on whether the Wii controller's better or the PS3's controller's better.
But I will comment on how you guys are arguing over the controllers, the consoles, blah blah blah.. I bet most if not all of you commentors haven't even touched both the PS3 and Wii controllers. Both consoles haven't even been released. And yet you guys serve speculation as fact. And it's just that, speculation.
Re: Sony didn't steal the Wii's capabilities
I've read this argument a few times, and I'm sorry, but it's bunk. Whether the idea is new or not isn't relevent. If Sony was going to do this ages ago, not only would there have been >1 games supporting it, but it would have been built into the controller... earlier than two weeks ago. Sony didn't even have a compelling demo to drive it. Even Eye Toy had that.
Re: The Wii-remote is not new because I've seen stuff like this before.
Yeah yeah. I can imagine people in the olden days saying television isn't anything special because radios already existed. "But it's just taking signals from a radio wave and interpreting them into something we can see and hear. Heck, we can already hear just fine with radios! THIS IS NOTHING NEW!!!"
There is no controller out there with two-handed motion sensing and a speaker built in standard on any console out there. Nintendo didn't claim to invent technology here. They created a unique controller and encouraged developers to find new ways to use it. It is not a Power Glove. It is not a U-Force. It is not that Microsoft controller from yonks ago. The games are different. Big big important difference.
The Wii comes with a classic controller, so that you can switch if you need too. The Ps3's controller can't have rumble as it uses tilt sensing, which if moved would create false movement.
This type of control has 2 big drawbacks -
1) Lag is always an issue, meaning games requireing multiple fast movement would be a nightmare to use.
2) Due to having tilt sensing, the Ps3 pad would respond to any slight angle you hold your pad, this could meen unintentional movement which would have nothing to playing the game. This is why the pad has to have a slight lag to counteract this. This feature creates a lack off precision, so aiming or small movement would be hard to achieve.
Also to no 30, the Wii looks the most mature product, and the only reason the GC failed is because it looked as though Fisher Price brought it out, and lack of dvd playback + third party game support.The Ps3 has'nt impressed me, the Blu-ray drive could make or break it as these complex drives are not reliable, have compatability issues, and sony could'nt even get dvd drives to work in the Ps2 right i dont hold out much hope. The need of a good cover plan i suspect would come in handy.
#58, Calleo said,
"well im english and over here in europe gaming is differant people dont spend 24 hours a day playin a game"
hope no one tries to invade you guys again. because if you're right, we won't be there to bail your asses out this time. instead we would be bailing your asses out in Call of Duty Multiplayer.
What did you guys think of the PS3's new L2/R2 buttons?
The wiimote is going to be fun and refreshing. My love for gaming has slowly been dying over the past few years, but now I see the wiimote and what it can do it opens a whole new door and makes gaming exciting again.
Face it, whether you like the Wii or not, it can technologically do everything the xbox 360 and ps3 can do and more.
I dont have any love for any of these companies or products. With that said...
I a becoming more and more upset with Sony. Root kits, Poor customer service in their MMOG hosted games, over pricing the PS3 just to ram their DRM-ridden Bluray drive down our throats, and finally for stealing the controller idea from Nintendo and making it seem like it was original. Their conference presentation was a joke. If they cant put on a good presentation, how am I supposed to feel them implementing a console and supporting it? What happened to Sony?
Nintendo didnt invent motion control since that has been around for a quite a while now, but they are innovating by making it apart of the basic console. That is huge; developers know that if they develop a game to make use of motion control that EVERY Wii will have it. Add-on specialized controls can fail because nobody develops for it BECAUSE developers cant bank on that add-on controller being available. That is the difference; that is the innovation; this is the gamble.
Sony stole the idea of including motion control in their basic console package. If it wasnt for Nintendo, Sony would not have included it.
Sony sux. With that out of the way; I predict the Xbox360 and nintendo are going to gain considerable market share but Sony will dominate. The PS3 has a high price tag but more raw horsepower for the end game.
What I mean by the last statement is that in three years time the PS3 will down in price due to cheaper parts and mass production. Better SDK from Sony to make it easier to developer for PS3 (right now its much easier to developer for the Xbox360 AND port to PC). In three years the xbox360 will start to show its age so PS3s cabailities will look better and better in comparison. Also 1080p might actually be around (almost all of the currently availble 1080p televisions DO NOT accept 1080p input; they line double 1080i input. It's true!)
Questions...will Sony stick to their 7 year release cycle of consoles or produce every five years like Nintendo and Microsoft. Does Microsoft have some kind of software upgrade planned to make the xbox360 DX10 capable (remember they define what dx10 is and could have leaked info to ATI ahead of everyone else)? What else does sony have planned. How effective is Microsoft be in leveraging Windows Vista against the PS3.
There is a lot not known but for me I know I dislike Sony a great deal for jacking up the price just so they can ram the HD drive down our throats!!!!
Quantumphysics on xboxlive i ave to question some of that. first of all, unless you got the 10 grand xps, the computer could have only been at most 3 times more, for something that could do sooo much more. also, only one game and the blu ray and 60gb hdd, which is more than my laptop which has quite a few games on it, are your reason for getting a $600+ a machine? i would rather buy a wii and probably ave fun with alot of games then waste all my money on something with a controller that is just the same as the last gen one. i honestly cant figure why any one would waste money on a ps3.
#56:
the main point is that the main core in the Cell is based on a G5. so ...
the cell is a single 970-based core + the extra "SPE"
the 360 is multi-core 970-based system
the Wii (apparently) is 970-based as well (though i honestly though it was G4-based still...)
key point being... they ALL in some way share a basic 970-based architecture.
see? 970-based :
"In a simple analysis the Cell processor can be split into four components - external input and ouput structures, the main processor called the Power Processing Element PPE (a two-way SMT multithreaded Power 970 architecture compliant core), eight fully functional co-processors called the Synergystic Processing Elements or SPEs and a specialised high bandwidth circular data bus connecting the PPE, input/output elements and the SPEs - called the Element Interconnect Bus or EIB."
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#14:
"a controller with motion sensing for Ultra 64 by Pelican or Mad Catz" : that was not made by Nintendo nor included with a system.
"nintendo's Power golve": this was not made by Nintendo nor included with a system.
"...and U-force." : this was not made by Nintendo nor included with a system.
3rd party controllers have ridiculously low adoption rates. THAT was the problem. well... that and late-80s/early-90s technology limitations in general. i guess from now on every time someone says that Windows is an awesome OS... i'll refuse to look at any version newer than 2.0 for my examples... or "proof" as to why it's lame. give me a break.
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#44.
"The PS3 uses IBM's PowerPC Architecture so PC Emulation is possible but more likely is Linux. The current version of linux supports the Cell Processor already."
OS X supports the G5 ... doesn't mean you or i or anyone will ever see it in a usable form on an Xbox 360. or any other machine. Sony may have said at one point that the PS3 would "support" Linux (think for a moment how many billions of devices use a *nix in one form or another... you can't write a term paper on them though)... but by any even remotely liberal interpretation of Sonys actions as a corporation there is no way in hell this Linux use is going to be remotely "open" to the end user. at most it might be released as a kit like the PS2 Linux kit was... merely to keep a half-assed promise. how many people do you know running Linux on their PS2s?
"...and that it can drive two tv's with HDMI(video and sound at HDTV resolution)."
using what outputs to do this? with the $599 version you get *ONE* HDMI output... with the $499 version you get *ZERO* ... neither ONE or ZERO equals TWO. just FYI. (maybe write that down somewhere. "oh cool! i have two pancakes!" *looks at paper* "oh. nevermind. i actually have zero. i always get those confused. two. and. zero.")
"If you want to talk about real innovation, take a look at the cell processor and the octopiler that it uses. That is the future of computing"
not for general purpose computing. Apple decided against it. like them or not... i would trust their tech guys decisions over say 'random-internet-guy' ...
from the old NY Times article :
"Mr. Jobs rejected the idea, telling Mr. Kutaragi that he was disappointed with the Cell design, which he believes will be even less effective than the PowerPC."
in addition to that ... i haven't seen too many other compannies jump on the Cell-based PC bandwagon either. it's primarily useful in specialized or embedded markets. not as a home PC. except perhaps *maybe* (some day) as a co-processor... since it's not all that great for a primary CPU.
"on the other hand the Revolution has its own innovative technologies, the Motion sensor controller, a slot loading drive that accepts two types of media safely."
ideally that will makes its way into laptop drives at some point. *some* car CD players can do this and have for some time... but laptops still haven't got around to doing it. i'm thinking it must have something to do with device height. easy to fit into a 1 DIN unit... harder to fit into a 1/2" laptop unit. i hate having to warn people not to use 3" CDs if they have a slot-load.
Yesssssssssss.. the wiimote has rumble/ you can turn it off in game (nice to have options!) The technology is not new but Nintendo has been innovative in its approach to the technology and built from the ground up.
Sony on the other hand has simply stuffed a gyro into an old Dual Shock 'shock'; the irony now that it isnt dual shock as they lose the rumble) It wouldn t suprise me if they found a way to bring back some kind of rumble before release.
Wiimote can be used as a normal controller same as the Sony using only the tilt, or as a fully fledged 3d instrument.
Sony made themselves look very very stupid BUT when the storm settles and the price drops, PS3 will sell as the brand is very strong.
To me Nintendo is the true gamers choice. They have integrity and they do indeed innovate. Their games are the best in my opinion and continue to push the envelope in terms of gameplay.
I like the 360 a lot, and I am sure the PS3 will be great.. fanboys lose sight of whats at hand, but to me the hardcore, the old school, and the passionate will go with Nintendo.. the techies will go with PS3, and price drop, so will a lot of the mainstream. 360 sits comfortably in the middle. To me Nintendo stole the show, and the response to Sony was just right - people knew they had lamed out.
If you are desperate to base a console on its projected sales and popularity.. then it comes down to marketing and Sony will pump lots of money into it. Maybe JUST maybe - people will look through it and go with the Big N for the new experience.. look at DS owning PSP on sales.. techies got drowned out my actual true gaming fans.
Someone here said that PS2 was best selling console ever; WRONG - Gameboy is.
End of day.. I love the state of video game industry and its just growing bigger and bigger.. it'll be worth more than Hollywood soon..
Just notice that a mini USB port can't charge the battery of the PS3 controller, because of its incapacity to lead electrical current I think ...
engadget's getting worse day-by-day, it seems that there's no comment moderation.
As for the post, it seems that Sony was already planning to include this kind of motion sensing to the PSP, according to a sony representative..
Was the lag caused by the beta status of the controller? the technology used(bluetooth 2.0, interference with many Wi-Fi networks and other Bluetooth devices present @ E3)? or the fact that you were controlling a ship wich by nature isn't blazingly responsive? r was it because Warhawk was only a beta preview made only for E3?
Wii's nice but it lacks depth. But that doesn't really matter. The truth is that the three consoles will be on sale before 2007 for anyone to buy if they so wish.
I can't wait to get my hands on this motion sensor pad, It's going to be incredible, I'll kinda miss the rumble feature but i'm sure i'll forget about it after a week of playing war hawk
Why did Sony even make the choice to keep the PS2 design in the first place? I absolutely detest the controller, the shoulder buttons are clicky, as opposed to being a mock trigger. The analogs are both at the bottom. The D pad is terrible. And the buttons themselves make no sense at all. When someone tells me to press the circle button, I have to look at the controler to know where that is. Basically what I'm saying is that shapes have no logical order to me. Nintendo and Microsoft's controller both have A, B, X and Y, albeit in different places. Being letters, one obviously knows what order they appear in. I would have been happier if they just kept the boomerang.
Oh yeah, and the motion sensing is a knock off too.
Meh....controller montroller....I think barrier to entry in this case is the half grand for just the console itself. I'm sorry but talking to most of my gamer friends they were ready to spend $300 and even $400 for the system. Sony is priced the PS3 right out of the market for all but the most hard core gamers. And like it or not hard core gamers won't keep the PS3 afloat. Come January we will find out that Sony has sold all of their PS3's in Japan, the US, and Europe that they shipped. That won't be a surprise. What will be interesting is to find out if your average consumer will bite. My money is NO. Again I've talked to everyone I know, coworkers, friends, etc who owns a PS2. (I was in line at Best Buy the day they released it.) Only a small % is interested in spending half a grand on the system alone. What I find ultimately amusing is that Sony is claiming that the PS3 is probably cheaper then it should be.
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060512-6824.html
I'm sorry but even if it was priced competitively with the 360 I wouldn't touch it simply because of the overall arrogance of this company. Sony is been giving MS a run for their money in the arrogance department over the last 2 years. Its time that consumers told them to fuck off.
Again I love my PS2. It has served me well over the year. The list of AAA games on that system is spectacular but today?s Sony isn't the Sony of the PS2 era and definitely isn't the Sony of the PSX era. Lessons must be learned that arrogance does not endear you to your fanbase. Well it shouldn?t with any fanbase with a ounce of self respect. People who keep coming back to companies that don?t give a shit about their consumers are the lowest form of life.
Am I the only one to notice this but the PS3 controller has some flawers/Sony's PR has some flaws
a) The back only has indicators for 4 controllers - not the seven touted by Sony. If the PS3 can have 7 bluetooth devices does this mean one of the 4 players can't have a headset (considering the X360 can send headset data via the controller if it is a wired headset). Also rumour has it the base PS3 won't support wireless controllers
b) It doesn't have a removable battery pack - so you can't hot swap batteries mid action - a bit poor
Oh yeah and how much are Sony be un-orginal, they used to lead the market, now they just tail behind, copying Ninty and MS
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bow down to ps3 xbox and wii suck hahahahahaha
Let's not forget, Sony has done this before--the Dual Shock came into existence AFTER Nintendo revealed the N64 controller with a joystick.
I've read that while both detect pitch, yaw, and roll using a gyroscope, only the Wiimote detects X, Y, and Z (using those funky bars you slap on your TV).
So even when the PS3 motion detection support is ironed out, they won't be equal in that regard. I imagine the PS3 controller will excel in games where you, uh, need lots of buttons, where the Wii will have you either buying the "classic" controller or using modifier keys like crazy. (IIRC, the Zelda demo had you using the Wiimote's D-pad as 4 separate buttons, which is less than ideal IMO.)
Ryan, last time I walked around Manhattan I failed to see anyone wearing a plaid shirt. Are you trying to revive an old trend, or playing it cool with the hippy western crowd?
wow with all of these arguments, no one has seen the real difference yet.
Yaw pitch and axis. That is all that the PS3 controller senses.
The Wii-Remote senses full 3D space, so not only does it have gyroscopes, but it acts as a pointer, and knows exactly how close or how far you are from the screen. Hence the sensor bar.
So how is this an argument ? Not only that but the Wii controller is held in a completely different way.
Sony did this because they knew some morons would assume that they have the same functionality, and say "well PS3 has the same abilities". Wrong.
So you have the same old PS controller with simplistic motion sensing tech. Thats what the GBA has had before.
Fact is, Nintendo= Analog stick, rumble pack, and now the Wii controller. The true innovators. Never forget that Playstation was Nintendo's brainchild.
but "Wii"(gay name) centered its console around its controllers while PS3 centered there console around like basically a computer, they made tight graphics and huge dounkoading abilities if setup right.
The development kits cost 2,000$, the development costs of the software is alot cheaper than PS3 and 360, and developers are most excited about Wii.
So when it launches this November at 199$, with a wide array of games, and an intuitive and unique controller,
we will see what people will opt for.
DS=7.5 million units in japan right now.
PSP= 3.3 million units in japan.
If this is any reflection about what Innovation and cost does for something I think we can get a good idea of what will happen.
It seems the only thing people like to argue is how powerful the consoles are, while not really knowing anything about processing or graphics. Gameplay.
Wow, That guy that claimed that the Gamecube flopped? uhhh yeah.. too bad it was the only console in that generation to turn a profit for its company. So I guess if you take "flop" as meaning "profit" then yes, you'd be correct, Nintendo's Gamecube did "flop".
You fanboys are fools. Who cares where the tech came from? Touch screens existed before the DS, Nintendo just managed to make it fun!
You people need ot rethink why you play games. I play games because I have fun. It's a simple idea, and people are bashing Nintendo and the Wii for trying to have more fun, and open up the market to more people. Sometimes I'm glad Sonys market is becoming more specific, it'll keep all those "my console PWNs your console" people in their mothers basements where they belong.
So yeah, give the bashing a break and have fun.
In my opinion, Nintendo wants to have more fun. I'll be having more fun with Nintendo.
The reason there is no rumble on the new PS3 controller is because of Sony's lawsuit with Immersion, which is a subsidary of Nintendo. Sony is no longer legally allowed to put the technology used to make the controller rumble into the PS3 controllers. You may have also noticed that all current rumbling PS2 controllers were pulled off the shelves as well.
PS3 owners must be aware that their contoller will never rumble. Even if you buy a 3rd party controller that does rumble, the rumble will not be programmed into the game, meaning their 3rd party controller won't rumble either.
While I'll agree that Nintendo clearly takes an early lead, seeing as how they built their system AROUND their controller, in the long run I think that the only thing Nintendo has going for them in their price.
First of all, does the PS3 motion sensing technology seem crappy? Yeah, at the moment, but remember that one, it was added last minute, and two first generation games normally lack the quality that you eventually get. As developers spend more time with the controller they'll learn how to work with it better.
Now for the biggest problem that Nintendo faces....third party support. I've owned a NES, N64, and Gamecube (went the Genesis route in the 90s), and I have to say that I have been GREATLY dissapointed by Nintendo since the SNES. The N64 had its moments, but struggled in a lot of areas, one of which happened to be game support. The Gamecube suffers the same issue, and in my mine a majority of the first party games have felt very "wow, look at me" gimmicky, with gameplay that is marginal. The problem that they're going to have is that already you have third party developers like EA (just one example) saying that the Wii's incarnation of their games will be lacking features, features that push the games into the next generation. You aren't going to have that issue with Sony. By '08 Madden, for example, will have all of those new motion and AI advances, as well as graphical ones (which the Wii won't have), AND will have the motion sensing capabilities. It's already clear in '06/'07 that the Wii's version of Madden won't have any of those advances (or parts of them as they are saying) other than motion sensing.
I think hopping on the Nintendo wagon and completely dismissing Sony is a shortsighted move by gamers. Yes, the PS3 is outrageously expensive (that's going to hurt them), and yes, they didn't do a ton of innovating (rarely do companies actually innovate anything, sorry Microsoft fans, but that's why Nintendo claims they made the Wii in the first place, and they're right), but in the long run what I think you'll see is that PS3 will have the next gen graphics and features of the XBOX with the functionality of the Wii, which in my mind takes the best of both worlds, and gives it to you in one package. Will Microsoft do something about this? Of course.....and then what will you have? Two companies with superior consoles in every way, with motion sensing technology and STRONG third and first party support.
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K MAN, why don't YOU do your research eh?
take a look genius
http://www-306.ibm.com/chips/techlib/techlib.nsf/productfamilies/PowerPC
The Cell Broadband Engine is listed under the PowerPC family of products. Don't give me that crap about me not doing my research when I have done it.
The Cell has a PowerPC core that handles distribution of data to the 8 SPU cores that are basically number crunching monsters. In the PS3, only 7 of those SPU's are used, while the last one is left as a backup core.
I quote:
"The first-generation Cell Broadband Engine (BE) processor is a multi-core chip comprised of a 64-bit Power Architecture processor core and eight synergistic processor cores, capable of massive floating point processing, optimized for compute-intensive workloads and broadband rich media applications."
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