Steorn: inventors of infinite energy, destroyers of laws of thermodynamics?
By Ryan Block 
posted Aug 18th 2006 11:48AM
posted Aug 18th 2006 11:48AM
We're sure most of you are well aware of the first law of thermodynamics, which states that energy cannot be created or destroyed, and the second law, which states that putting energy into a system will always result in a loss in potential output -- these are the reasons why everybody buys gas, why we pay for electricity, and in many ways why the world economy is shaped the way it is. Which is why whenever someone comes along and says they've developed a technology that undermines hundreds of years of scientific study with the ability to create boundless amounts of free energy with no emissions, well, you have to imagine we'd cry snake oil -- but it would seem Steorn, claimers of such an absurdity, has already launched a PR campaign to circumvent naysayers such as ourselves. In fact, the Irish tech company issued an ad in The Economist announcing a challenge to 12 of the worlds' finest scientists -- to be chosen by them (hey, is Hwang Woo-suk available?) -- to step forward and disprove their infinite clean energy technology. And once their technology isn't disproved -- and they obviously believe that it won't be disproved -- they'll begin licensing it to the world's energy companies (and charitably freely licensing it for rural water purification and electricity generation). If it's the real deal then after all the congratulations are all over and we've reevaluated the fundamental underpinnings of physics as we know it, perhaps all humanity's energy ailments are finally going to come to a close. But the chances it could be a large PR hoax toying with our desperate need to revamp our global energy situation? Well, let's just hope Steorn proves us all wrong and changes science forever.[Thanks, Greg & Stephen, via Ireland.com]
In the words of Engadget, "saywha?"
I'll believe it when I see it.
I really do hope they've got it though. I know it sounds VERY absurd (and yeah, it really does), but I think it would be incredible if this is true. But right now, there's no info to judge on (is there? I'm too lazy to follow up on the link and read) so let's reserve judgement.
In this house we obey the laws of thermodynamics young man!!
cold fusion ? Zero point energy ? Magic hamsters ?
I'm intrigued. I for one would love to meet the people who tamed the magic hamsters ( you know, the ones that started the universe by rolling in the great wheel )
Actually, I'll refine my first comment.
In the words of Ryan, "saywha?"
Sounds very much like the whole Newman energy machine revamped for the 21st century:
http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/Inventors/JosephNewman/index.html
Color me skeptical.
I, for one, welcome the possibility of unlimited free energy.
The two laws mentioned here should be called theories. They are just our current understanding of how things work. How many time in history has science changed its mind. Also, if this is real, we'll never see it. Some big oil or energy company will just buy it for a stupid amount of money and burn the research. There's no way to make money off a free energy source, therefore, big companies won't let this happen.
Sounds interesting, but like Rohit said, I'll believe it when I see it.
Does anyone have an idea on what this process is?
It works by using the national grid to supply the initial power to start motion and will always rely on the grid as a primary backup.It does work but providing stability and equal tollerance are the biggest challanges
Mike Blackwell
Ireland
I hate to be cynical and I'd love to be wrong, but this smells of a viral marketing campaign for something.
Of course the ad in The Economist kinda throws it off a bit, but still...
Calm down, people. These guys are not claiming to circumvent the laws of physics. They merely claim, according to Ryan, "boundless amounts of free energy with no emissions". Any solar cell fits that description.
FYI:
The company have hired one of the most expensive PR companies in the world to manage this launch. They have spent over 100k on an ad in the Economist to attract qualified scientists to test the technology and will cover all costs associated with the independent validation.
Not only are the "laws" of thermodynamics just theories, but after some reading on the Steorn site, they dont seem to be violated in any obvious fashion. Just because we may be ignorant of the actual source of the energy, doesn't mean that its being spontaneously generated contrary to some of my favourite laws of physics.
Physics has many other theories, ie. Zero point energy, string theory, etc, which could safely explain such a claim as this.
Don't throw your physics textbooks out quite yet.
If you want to check out some real laws of physic being broken, head over to BlackLightPower.com. Their limitless energy technology breaks the cardinal rule of quantum mechanics, that being energy levels are discreet.
Problem is they have years of research and data published and millions of dollars of investments.
I, for one, welcome our new Steorn Infinite Energy overlords...
"Calm down, people. These guys are not claiming to circumvent the laws of physics. They merely claim, according to Ryan, "boundless amounts of free energy with no emissions". Any solar cell fits that description."
They also claim: "The technology has a coefficient of performance greater than 100%." No system that exists today fits this description.
"Lisa! In this house we obey the laws of thermodynamics!"
More wisdom from the mouth of Homer J. Simpson.
Homer: "The sum of the square root of any two sides of an isosceles triangle is equal to the square root of the remaining side!"
Some Guy: "That's a right triangle you idiot!"
Homer: "Do'oh!!"
"They also claim: "The technology has a coefficient of performance greater than 100%." No system that exists today fits this description."
What? You dont believe in the Refrigerator either?
If this is like other similar devices then the claim is not for energy from nowhere but energy from a source that is little understood...
If it really works - why not just start selling it? Rather than attempting to get the worlds scientists to endorse / prove it.
Seems a little odd. If I had a machine that made limitless free electricity I would be selling both electricity and licencing the machine to users.
Because energy companies make trillions dollars a year, its the biggest business in America or the world at that matter. So as long as people are getting rich from oil or what ever other source. This machine will never see the light of day just for that reason.
Nonsense. Publish it for peer review and be done with it. If they truly believed their findings there would be no need for theatrics and PR campaigns.
But if they did then they couldn't move to the next part of their campaign which is to publish books for the gulible and juvenile claiming "big oil bought it and burned it".
Maybe it needs some refinement before it's ready for market, and they're trying to get a jump start on the publicity?
I'm skeptical, but not completely. If E=MC^2, then energy is so amazingly abundant in the universe that what would seem infinite to us could easily materialize in any number of ways. We'll know soon these folks are just scamming.
Also, particularly since this is done in such a public way, there is NO chance of some company buying them out just to make a buck by hiding it. Do you have any idea how much money whoever owns this technology could make?
Oh sure, they create free energy, save the world, usher us into a new era of prosperity, blah, blah, blah. The real news here is that they cancelled Christmas!Bastards.
http://www.steorn.net/en/news.aspx?p=2
Let's say this is true. Did you read the part about how they will liscence it to power companies? WTF? So they are giving the power companies a chance to sell a product that has almost zero cost? Do you think any power utility on the world will pass on the "free" energy to the consumer?
I'll believe it when I see it, but I won't be surprised when Edison buys this, and then claims they don't have enough power, and have to triple my rates, even though the cost for them to produce energy was dramitically cut.
With comments like this it sounds to good to be true
"...the company developed certain generator configurations that appeared to be over 100% efficient"
"Steorn is making three claims for its technology:
1. The technology has a coefficient of performance greater than 100%.
2. The operation of the technology (i.e. the creation of energy) is not derived from the degradation of its component parts.
3. There is no identifiable environmental source of the energy (as might be witnessed by a cooling of ambient air temperature).
"
If it was real why not just release it and become instantly the worlds richest company/people? I know if I invented this I wouldn't be holding back saying once 12 of the worlds best scientist BLAH BLAH BLAH. Put the thing in action that will speak louder than the scientist you paid off!
My favorite
"Those who were prepared to complete testing have all confirmed our claims; however none will publicly go on record."
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, it works yet no one wants to say it this is all such BS! I think the Irish invention is known as Guiness. When people consume too much they believe they have infinte energy, and when they wake up in the morning they don't remember spending any energy at all
its simple they have cats that have buttered toast on thier backs. you then drop said cat into a static electricity harnessing gizmo, the cat spins because toast lands butter down and cats land on their feet, and bingo they spin in a clean and infinite energy paradox.
"Physics has many other theories, ie. Zero point energy, string theory, etc, which could safely explain such a claim as this."
Actually, no. Zero point energy can't help because it's randomly distributed. String theory is not physics yet because it cannot be tested. You're just throwing out buzzwords without knowing what you're talking about.
Calling the "laws" of thermodynamics a "theory" is pointless. The laws of thermodynamics are some of the most tested statements in science and they've held for all these years for a reason. In the end ALL scientific understanding is a "theory" but that doesn't change the fact that science is the most accurately understood knowledge we have as humans. People always try to bust out the "theory" statement when they want to try and circumvent the piles and piles of facts that are counter to their beliefs (see evolution for example).
What's Homer's quote about facts? They can be used to prove anything that's remotely true or something?
I can think of 4 scenarios in this situation. Either they want...
1. To charitably solve the worlds energy woes - But then you post it all on the internet.
2. Money - But then as someone else pointed out you license it or produce the energy yourself.
3. Scientific credibility - But then you publish it for Peer Review.
4. A quick buck before being discovered to be a fraud. - Then you would have a big PR campaign but keep it all very mysterious.
"its simple they have cats that have buttered toast on thier backs. you then drop said cat into a static electricity harnessing gizmo, the cat spins because toast lands butter down and cats land on their feet, and bingo they spin in a clean and infinite energy paradox."
Mastershake sussed it already. I'm investing in bakeries.
it's simple, they harness the psychic energy flowing through the upper stratosphere using specially aligned Chi channeling objects. Jesus, their site is a wreck. Any REAL company does one thing before they get round 2 venture capitol: buy up and obtain patents on their tech. No patents, no real tech. Simple as that. They don't have any patents. Their tech is made up.
Just one question....Who is John Galt? ;-)
I agree with splatwick. Zero point energy is the lowest amt of energy a system can have. It cannot be removed from a system, no matter what.
Superstring theory applies to string theory it's the basis of how we are to understand atoms. Interestingly atoms do not always obey newton's laws. It's an attempt to combine the understanding of general relativity (with galaxies and such) and the and quantum mechanics which study the fundamental forces at microscopic level (atoms, quarks).
Perpetual motion cannot be sustained, because of the basic element of friction. This would have to be friction less, and every material we have come across has friction or can creat friction. Even light is limited in space because it is bombarded with friction.
Now they say this thing is clean and efficient, my question is, is it practical? Does it create enough energy to be worth it?
I believe their technology is based on a series of tubes.
I find it funny that the company specialises in “combat counterfeiting and fraud in the plastic card and optical disc industries." What does that have to do with energy? Oh wait did I read fraud? Ha they are experts in combating fraud! I think you know where I am going with this it doesn’t take a genius to figure this one out so I will leave it at that.
Assuming it is real the only reason I see in this PR and scientific challenge is to convince investors. A company with 20 employees doesn't have the resources to mass produce the engine and protect their patents. Thus they need to prove themselves to investors/licensers to prepare it for the public.
Of course that's assuming it's a reality. To me it seems like a viral marketing strategy (an oil company maybe).
I would love to never have to plug in my gadgets again!
I heard this company is gets it's funding from the Hanso Foundation
[quote from http://www.steorn.net/en/news.aspx?p=2&id=22]
Steorn has placed an advertisement in The Economist this week to attract the attention of the world’s leading scientists working in the field of experimental physics.
[/quote]
I didn't realize that the world's leading experimental physicists were such avid Economist readers. How small-minded of me.
This is probably totally irrelevant but anybody find it weird that all their press releases are from August 17th, including the one about a competition from March? That aside the fact that the actual winner of the competition was "Nighthawk" (according to the dit site) not "Blackhawk" as they put on their website...and any number of other discrepancies for an event which they sponsored? This is just one small thing, but seriously their whole site is a wreck.
mastershake:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Maybe its because its 10 mins to 2 am, but that is the funniest thing ive heard all day
Actually, according to the definition, a theory is only valid as long as it accurately describes a condition and no contradictory evidence is uncovered. A Law is mearly a theory that has stood long enough to be considered generally true as no contradictory proof has been found yet. All it takes is one simple repeatable fact to drop a Law on it's ear.. FWIW, though, these guys are whack..
A couple interesting things from their forum.
"The company is currently engaged in the development of its own proprietary battery substitution technology." That was on the old site...
http://www.steorn.net/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=51&page=1#Item_0
...and this...
http://www.steorn.net/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=41&page=1#Item_0
http://v3.espacenet.com/origdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=WO2006035419&F=0&QPN=WO2006035419
Hi, the patent refered to (the low energy magnetic actuator) is not a patent on the core steorn technology. Due to the fact that the US patent office does not allow patents with this claim we have filed a sequence of patents wich describe various aspects of the technology. Thanks, The Steorn Team
Well they also say they're breaking the laws of physics in their own press release:
"We are under no illusions that there will be a lot of cynicism out there about our proposition, as it currently challenges one of the basic principles of physics."
I belive it is possible. Didn't Family Guy show that the Irish had invented a way to turn people into pure energy before the invention of wiskey?
Economist always has the best advertisements. While you can continue to read People magazine, The Economist always has ads for CIA & NSA recruitment.
When all is said and done, the real energy creation breakthroughs will be harnessing of ambient/fixed energy, and not "free energy". Solar is not actually free, but to us, the sun will always shine and it's free enough. The same can be said about the earth's magnetic field, and many other spectrums that exist but we don't notice.
uh...NO!
The machine/big hampster wheel/solar cells/tesla energy tower that this will require doesn't have a cost?
Given the content of their "Our Technology" page, as well as the press release, I've sent an email off to James Randi and the James Randi Educational Foundation asking them to forward these nutters an application for the million dollar prize.
With any luck, there will be some good entertainment out of their failure to prove their claims. :)
I might get flamed here but lets say someone invented a way to use for example, gravity for energy wouldn't that be, outside the law of physics? What's to differ if someone collects energy from magnets?
Now I'm skeptical and like to wait to see things unfold, but just because the claim is not fully explained, doesn't mean it isn't valid, people love to hold on to the old without exploring other thinking (Flat Earth Society I'm talking to you).
this could be another ilovebees scenerio. a viral marketing by MS/BUNGIE....
news was posted on teamxbox.com:
http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/11584/Irish-Company-Claims-to-Have-Discovered-Free-Energy/
Any 2nd year mechanical engineering student can tell you 3 things.
1) Coefficient of performance is not the same as efficiency
2) efficiency can never go above 100%
3) Coefficient of performance of a heat pump that is less than 5 is actually kinda bad
If I put 1 watt of power into an electric motor I can't get more than 1 watt out, but if I put 1 watt into a heat pump I may be able to move 5 or 10 watts of energy from one place to another. Most people have a heat pump in their house that does the exact same thing, and if you mess up your efficiency coefficient of performance ideas its about 1000% percent efficient. Its your fridge.
The power you supply just moves heat from your food to the room and takes much less power than it does to heat the room.
Lots of free power all around, not free in that it doesn't obey thermodynamics, free that it doesnt' cost anything after an initial investment.
And to think I failed thermodynamics twice
Almost 30 years ago my dad teamed up with some crackpot inventor who claimed he is close to perfecting a perpetual motion machine that is based on the judicious placement of permanent magnets on a rotor and stator. He just needs to do a few more meticulous tests to arrive at the perfect configuration.
The inventor died without ever perfecting the devise (surprise!). And today my dad is sitting in jail. Not for the (spurious) perpetual motion machine but for some other fraud. It's that kind of person who touts perpetual motion machines.
They're all swindlers and flim-flam artists. Pay them no coin, pay them no heed.
I've had it with these mf..ing Perpetual motion machines on this mf...ing planet!
I think it's a new hiring ploy from Google.
Perhaps they have invented aorist rods?
I've developed some "perpetual motion" machines, but the energy output is next to nothing, which isn't really useful, unless thousands were hooked up. My machines don't really have a practical usage, except that they can sustain themselves.
There are quite a few machines out there that can go on for quite some time without stopping (maybe not forever, due to wear and tear), but the energy output sucks.
Despite friction, "100%+ efficient" systems are possible, given the *context*. So in reality- taking into account context- they are not 100%+ efficient but only seem that way-- and if it works in usage, it doesn't really matter how "efficient" anything is. Everyone who says it's not possible has been looking within the wrong context.
Just because one has hands and eyes, doesn't make one a visual artist, and just because one is a visual artist, doesn't mean that one has hands or eyes.
losers. impossible.
I like this one on their forums:
http://www.steorn.net/forum/?p=3
tuigim
There is absolutely zero need for any kind of scientific validation of this. The solution is simple. Go look at the headquarters building. Is it connected to the grid?
If so, then it's quite obvious that their device does not work.
If not, then it might bear looking into.
Authorhogie
Well, we sure have jumped all the way from proof of concept in a test environment to real world application on a large scale. If only all scientific discoveries yielded such immediate benefits. That's like saying Niels Bohr should have built himself a nuclear reactor to power his experimentation.
The only thing that can close is the Cashmir effect and that doesn't give nearly enough energy.
Take it from me the company is 100% real, i work in the development agency in ireland of which the company is a client off, and they are 100% NOT a marketing company, i woudnt have sent in the story otherwise, stephen
Yeah. madc has the right idea. Run a whois on their domain. When's the updated date?
:::Case in Point:::
Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, LLC.
Whois Server: whois.networksolutions.com
Referral URL: http://www.networksolutions.com
Name Server: NS59.WORLDNIC.COM
Name Server: NS60.WORLDNIC.COM
Status: REGISTRAR-LOCK
Updated Date: 03-aug-2006
Creation Date: 16-jul-2004
Expiration Date: 16-jul-2007
03 Aug of 06. Also, "steorn" is Norse for "guide," "direct," or "manage."
Dudes, just check out archive.org to see what this site was previous to '06.
This whole website is just a viral advertising campaign for "Chain Reaction 2" coming to theaters in 2007!
"boundless amounts of free energy with no emissions". Any solar cell fits that description."
If one does not count the extremely toxic materials used to make the cells, and the processes and emissions used to make the chemicals.
Think beginning to end folks, the solar cell does not magically appear in you hand.
There is actually a good deal on a "free energy" power generator up on ebay - only ~ $300k.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7612097685
I figure its a pretty good deal considering the amount of electricity I will save. It isn't really "free energy", it actually generates energy from gravity using the tornado effect.
Can you prove that Blackfeather?
Well, here's a story about them in The Sunday Business Post dated May 21 of this year. It's consistent with their claim of developing microgenerators:
http://archives.tcm.ie/businesspost/2006/05/21/story14326.asp
They also claim that their microgenerator project is funded by private investors. Who in their right mind would give money to an e-commerce project management company to develop generator technology?
Here's a link to a guy's site who developed a flash animation for them
http://www.gcrogers.com/
here's the animation:
http://www.gcrogers.com/steorn/steorn.html
Also this...the CEO of the company was published in 2004 as part-author of a technical paper on anti-counterfeiting:
http://www.imaging.org/store/epub.cfm?abstrid=31863
Kind of weird, but the history of their company doesn't appear to be completely void of technical development.
check out section that has details about the team.. out of all of them the CEO BS in engineering.. doesn't even say what kind. definate BS.
Everyone shut up! What we really need to do is destroy this before the robots discover it.
um, temperature?
how much temperature would be required for the "machine" to work at the efficiencies proposed?
um, what metal or ceramic could survive?
uhh... ok. :)
-mechanical engineer
the antichrist?
Newtonian ain't everything but it is the way to bet.
Does anyone else feel like this is a bunch of Bologna?
As I agree with the comment on the steorn.com forum posted "Magic beans anyone?"
Engadget: Being smart-ass about the laws of thermodynamics, you should understand them first.
Especially the second law, that entropy in a system can only increase, favorite with teenage slackers who don't want to clean their room: It's valid and can be proven mathematically only in CLOSED SYSTEMS. The problem with that is that there are no closed system known to man. Not a single one.
My favorite was when my physics professor at Uni proclaimed Earth a "closed system" - for simplicity. Yeah, right - except that without that huge yellow ball out there, there would be no life on Earth, and no physics professors making bogus assumptions.
I feel like a little kid!! I can't help it! How conflicting it is to be living in an age when cynicism is so great that something like this COULD and PROBABLY IS just a viral marketing campaign for a new videogame, or movie, or website.
There's this excitement in me, thinking this may be IT, this may be the birth of a new age, but the cynic in me doesn't want to believe it even if it IS legit.
Let's say tomorrow we wake up and all the papers say FREE ENERGY!!! STEORN DID IT!!! I can't help but think it still won't turn out well. Nothing that's bought or sold is done for the "benefit of humanity" anymore, if it ever was.
I'll finish with a hollow threat to Steorn. If this turns out to be a hoax, or a gimmick, or they invent free energy and do anything less than give it to the world, every battery I use up from this day forward I will be sending to them, c/o Humanity.
Look up longitudinal EG, scalar waves, dirac matter, etc. I believe in subspace energy and communication. Maybe soon the rest of the world will too. The weapon possibilities are scary though... tesla shields, death frequencies, you know...
Just in case anyone cares to know where they're coming from :) If not, fine. Ignore them.
Eman out.
I think that there just asking scientists to challenge them because their just arrogant and trying to show-off that they were the first to invent it.
I myself think this could be possible, and I'm really hoping this is real. If this is, this would change the world forever, and would get the world a few steps closer to world peace.
The possibility of harnessing energy from collapsing magnetic fields can provide a continual amount of energy. You only need a start and the field could build and collapse indefinately. If that is what they are doing since they said it is based off intersecting magnetic fields, I think this would be the most significant event since the invention of the wheel.
This could also be the start of world war 4 (W W 3 is ongoing as we speak) as the oil barons try to silence any one connected with this technology. just my 5 cents.
Boy am i excited
Steorn is actually an anagram for "en tors", which is french for "in lay"... kinda sounds viral doesn't it? 'Course it's also an anagram for "toners" and "re snot". Maybe I'm too into this.
I can't believe this got coverage. Steorn anagram for stoner!
Hi,
Let me tell you a little story - I am based in the Phyiscs Dept of a UK Uni (nameless as there are Non Disclosure Agreements in place), but we were asked to test this Steorn system - Now I wasnt working myself on this but was asked to look at the results - Simlpy put there was an "anomaly" in the results that we were at a lost to explain - this "anomaly" was that the design of the test system, (where we were given Steorn designs but purchased all components ourselves, biult it, tested, etc,) was that there appears to be a net energy gain when you move through the magnetics fields... We stated to Steorn that this "anomaly" required further examination. this was 6 months ago and we cannot find where this excess energy in the system is coming from... We are at a lost to explain it... But magnetics is admittently a bit of a grey area, we know the capabilities of electromagnetism but this is an area that hasnt had the same level of academic research as for example DNA sequencing, astrophysics, etc... the scientific community and industry knew how to create electricity and we left it at that - magnetics is a neglected part of our natural world and the Steorn "anomaly" has left our Dept quite baffled as we are left at a loss to explain it in Classical terms...
I await what the rest of our community says when they have an opportunity to see this Steon system...
S
Mako!!!!!
MAKO!!!!!!!!
final fantasy fans will get it :P
Interesting... Coast to Coast AM is the radio show hosted by George Noory, and this week, he did get a call from a person claiming that a revolutionary new energy-producing system was being released very soon now... Maybe this is it. What he described was a system that ran on... wait for it... water.
I suspect we'll be waiting quite some time.
"What he described was a system that ran on... wait for it... water."
Which is interesting, because the very first stock photo on the Steorn site is crystal clear bubbling water.
Not only is this impossible but also highly improbable. This is like the 100-th time a company has promised something along these lines (or a perpetuum mobile), not to mention the millionth time a person has. I'd LOVE to believe it, but fact is, there will never be free energy. Even if we hypothetically invented this hundreds of years from now, there will always be a lot of people making top dollar off energy, so there'll always be a shitload of powerful people with everything to lose if this would hit the market.
Absolutley idiotic. If it worked, you don't need press releases, scientific review or any of this stuff. You would just start building devices that utilize it.
Not enough cash to start building things? Once again, if it worked, one demonstration of an even minorly viable usage and the cash would be there. Or, take out a loan! Gee, with free energy there would be zero downside risk...
Here in Utah, we suffered through the cold fusion debacle. Pons and Fleischman had convinced themselves that they had something. It seemed so real, yet turned out very disappointing and embarassing for the University of Utah and the state. Having been around for 56 years and seen lots of these claims fall flat, I have to be a skeptic. I still harbor a ray of hope it might be something to it, but I give it small odds.
Sounds like something out of William Gibson's "Pattern Recognition." A test of some viral marketing hybrid. That or they want to make a movie sequel starring Keanu Reeves and Rachel Weisz.
If one could generate Free Energy from any Earthly Substance, I would venture to speculate that it could come from some unusual arrangement of Magnets. If you think about it, in Physics magnets are truly a unique and bizzare Substance. I work with Magnets in the MRI industry in America. Michael Farraday May be Smiling because of this Latest Speculation.
It also wouldn't suprise me that a breakthrough may occur in Europe or elsewhere rather than the U.S, R&D Funds are being cut in the States.
The Last Days of Rome, Anyone????
Take care, Brent
"never have to change a battery" Wow my GF would love this. But then again it does ruin my sleep time.
This is better than a cure for cancer. This is better than world peace. This is better than the discover and harnessing of electricity itself which took 150 years. This is even better than the prototype fusion reactor being built in France costing billions and involving hundreds of the worlds best scientists. And did you see the state of the two fellas??
Zach> World peace? LOL.
If there's one thing to be learnt from our short history, it is that any new source of power or related technological leap is immediately focussed on in two ways - 1) military application (i.e, the very Newspeak 'Defense' department), or 2) corporate gain..
Solar power was populised before it was efficient, and subsequent development has been greatly hindered by that bad PR history. Nuclear power proliferated before it was properly understood and made safe, and we had some stupid mistakes there... If something like this (copious energy at micro-cost - I deliberately avoid the 'free' moniker) were to truly be discovered, chances are it will be misused or mismanaged in some way...
And if it's all a hoax, chances are it's the Big Bad oil companies setting up some bad PR to further hinder research and development into alternate energy sources.
Peer review is pointless. Just look at the attitudes displayed here! As for anonymous verification, same problem, any scientist who openly verified their claim as true would be vilified by all those who have never been anywhere near Steorn and could kiss his/her career goodbye. I'll reserve judgement until it has been verified or not.
The scientific community is more closed minded than priests. To question the "laws" of thermodynamics is akin to questioning the existence of God. Oh and why are you so sure that the laws of thermodynamics hold true ? There are plenty of examples where it doesn't but of course such examples come up against the usual "impossible" claims and are thus buried. Dig and thou shalt find!
Now leave me alone I've lost 90% of the universe it must be around here in the "dark" somewhere.......
This technology isn't that new, it works on the tornado theory and a similar item was sold through eBay not very long ago. Obviously I could not make such an item myself, nor do I wish to go into the intricacies of why this works, but I would wait for an official statement before passing judgement on this. And just remember, people used to say that humans travelling through the sky was impossible...
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K so hypothetically this is true, then why is engadget the only resource site that knows anything about it? It would be all over the news!
Well I agree, If these people really have the answer why not just come right out with it? I personally believe cellulostic ethanol is the closest thing we have to any really energy answer. http://www.myownfuel.com
http://www.myownfuel.com
http://www.myownfuel.com
Sorry dude.. I think all that steorn shit is a joke. Seems to be more of a test to see how long it takes an online community to completely disprove a theory, and if it can be done faster than having professionals do it..
questions because:
they way they have the counter on their site... what is their purpose besides so they know how many people are interested.
it says .com instead of .net on the header of the page..
I've been trying to register to leave a comment in the forum for about an hour now... no luck
def think this is all for show.... damn do I wish it were true.
-Bohall
Does anyone heard something about that company before?... They [Steorn] said on their site that they were working long in the field of the plactic card security or something like that. I guess the fact that someone worked with them in that area could prove at least that they are not dummies at all.
But I guess their latest claim is just the great PR-solution to become known worldwide.