Huge PlayStation 3 shortages predicted, Sony stock sinks
By Ryan Block 
posted Aug 24th 2006 12:34PM
posted Aug 24th 2006 12:34PM
There's been a lot of speculation that Sony won't hit its PlayStation 3 launch targets for 2006 (which includes 2 million units at launch, and another 2 million units by the end of the year), but it sounds like they were dealt a pretty severe blow by Japanese brokerage Mitsubishi UJF Securities. The Japanese investment firm predicted major component shortages that would hamper sales by as much as a million units (trust us, that's a lot of units), and lowered its rating, causing Sony's stock to drop 3%. It's a harsh day in the office for Hirai, Kutaragi, and Stringer, but there's no doubt about it, and Sony's once again going to have to seriously prove itself come this holiday season.[Via GamesIndustry.biz]
Sony is really looking like it's days are numbered. If Blu-Ray doesn't take off and things don't start looking better for the PS3, they're screwed.
Personally, I would hold out for $ALASKA, with all that oil...
PS3 = FLOP
ppff
who cares
everything that sony said that the PS3 would have, they backed out on, except blu ray.....yet another piece of equipment ahead of its own time for being dubbed worthy for the average consumer.
the price tag keeps on changing and only 3 months from failure...i mean launch date....i see sony either rolling back the PS3 wuntil next year, or hopefully never.
all sony products suck ass.....just overpriced plastic with SONY stamped into it.
Oxymoron of the day? Positive projected sales leads to stock drop?
Ribbons of Shame!
This is no loss to the gaming community in my opinion. Sony can keep its $600 system. I would rather see the Wii or even the Xbox (although not a huge Microsoft fan) prevail.
Sony produces cheap garbage for mega bucks. Look at the PS2 launch for example. Many PS2's didn't even work on release. Such as mine. Had to mail it back to them and wait three weeks for a new machine. For anyone who will purchase a PS3, wait for a price drop and purchase it when the kinks are worked out.
i dont care if there stock drops i still want the ps3 it rocks and ( roB ) the ps3 can get the kinks worked out if there are any by firmware upgrades like the psp
Sony has too much riding on the PS3 to let it fail. The problem is that the gaming community is changing. I think a lot of those who were hard core PS1 and 2 players have either moved on to the Xbox or have kind of dropped out of gaming. For myself, I never owned a Sony system and I'm not very interested in the PS3.
The Wii however has my 31 year old inner child psyched. The price and gameplay look great and I like the idea of free online play. The Xbox360 has pretty graphics (though strangely not a huge jump over the original) and a nice interface but the games are just kind of boring to me.
PS3 rocks
It doesn't matter, Sony has so many fanboys they don't need to sell it to anyone but them.
I have both the DS and PSP and I loath the cheap "games" for the DS whereas I am in love with the games for the PSP. The PSP is a portable console. The DS is like two GameBoys stuck together with one being quasi "touch-able" its games more on par with freebies you get in a kids cereal box, short, limited, cheap, yet sugar coated.
Based on this experience I've had with these two handhelds if I am to buy one of these new home based consoles it will be the PS3.
Now, what would be funny, is if sony planned this whole negative outlook on sony's future by everyone, and blew us all away with the PS3...
Is it me or does the PS3 look like something from Battlestar Gallactica? Like a ship or something?
Anybody......? Nobody else thinks that?.....C'mon..
Ok, sorry I guess I'm just retarded.
Page,
I hope Sony is paying you to troll Joystiq and copy and paste the same comment in all Sony related topics, or else that's just pathetic.
It's ok if you like the PSP, there are a lot of people who do. Just don't feel insecure just because you are in the minority.
As for the topic on hand, if Sony misses another holiday season you can bet your ass that I would be selling Sony stock too. 2 million units is not enough to establish a good userbase especially with Xbox 360 having a installed base of around 5-9 mill and Wii set to sell around 6 mil this season. This will put Sony at a hell of a disadvantage going into 2007.
Talk about some pissed off developers when their games have such a small market to sell to going into 2007.
oops I meant Engadget...my bad
for the record, the Wii also has not started production. They are also rumored to have an earlier release then the PS3. Sony isn't the only one in this boat.
i love my ds. i play it every day.
My psp had some good games, but i hocked it after sony pissed me off after too many firmware upgrades that only served to cripple my enjoyment of the system, and advertising campaigns brewed up to make controversy.
Its about time i was wondering where was todays down with sony article. DOWN with sony they suck.
Wii all the way...nothing more to it. Everything is not about the graphics these days and that is what Sony bases its life on. Open your eyes or get out of the way of the Wii...
Let me explain the difference between Japan and American technology.
You see, when America sells a car, its sold. If there are any problems with it, they aren't fixed. A NEW Model is sent out.
The Japanese are different, when a problem is found, instead of making a completely new model, they fix it. If new problems occur, they fix and fix and fix!
So you may ask, why does this have any relevance to the PS3?
Well, Sony especially is known for this sort of trend. When they release something, it had better well damn work. It should be error free, it should be sold in numbers, and it should ALREADY BE PRODUCED BEFORE THE LAUNCH.
However, this is not happening for the PS3. I don't know if their CEO is a retard (My appologies to George W Bush for this label, it might offend him) but its pathetic. They f*cked up their own company and their PS3.
Good luck Sony
"I have both the DS and PSP and I loath the cheap "games" for the DS whereas I am in love with the games for the PSP. The PSP is a portable console." - I think though that this is exactly the problem the PSP has. There does seem to be some small minority of users like yourself where the "portable console" concept does appeal to them, and they really want just shrunken down console games on their handheld device. But for a lot of people, these games aren't necessarily well suited to a handheld device.
I know you describe the DS games as cheap and not having much substance, but I really wonder about that. There are plenty of DS games that are fully realized and have a huge depth of options (i.e. Metroid Prime Hunters, Mario Kart DS, etc. etc.) but are still fun to play "on the go".
I think the PSP does have some excellent games, but I find that I mostly just play them at home (i.e. Valkyrie Profile Lenneth and Tekken Dark Resurrection right now), because they do require more of a time commitment, and I don't find the PSP to be as easy to carry around with me and just whip out to play a game for 10-15 minutes. The only PSP games I have that really fit that criteria are two of the original launch titles; Lumines and Wipeout. But it seems like the PSP is focusing a lot more on being that "portable console" and less of a good handheld gaming device.
@Just Me
Do you have a source to cite that says Nintendo hasn't started production of the Wii?
I'll be just as vague as you are and say, for the record, Nintendo has ramped up Production of the Wii to meet the high demand that Sony won't be able to fulfill. Sony IS the only one in this boat.
Now prove me wrong.
I'm still going for the PS3 due to Metal Gear Solid 4 and if the system is delayed I couldn't care less. All game systems pretty much blow for the first year that they're out. I think I had maybe two or three games for the first year and a half of the PS2. There's still great games coming out for the PS2 and that'll be enough to keep me satisfied for at least another year.
bad news indeed. but if it pays off for SOny those stockholders will be killing themselves for not holding on to it.
Don't start calling the kettle black Sean and no, I do not post the same comment in all Sony related topics as you have so daftly stated. I do however often comment on how the DS is inferior to the PSP. Now if that fact persists to get under your skin I propose you see a dermatologist as soon as possible.
How about I post the job postings looking for manufacturing trainee's for nintendo that posted in early August indicating they have not started yet?
For someone that is so sure, you must work for Nintendo..if so please tell me what date I can begin my reservation and how much it will cost? Oh..you don't know either? ahh...
Difference between you and I....I'm a gamer..your a fanboy..I'll gladly own both.and willfully acknowledge that all 3 systems will succeed.
hey ryan, i bet i can walk into a best buy on christmas eve and pick up a ps3...
"or the record, the Wii also has not started production. They are also rumored to have an earlier release then the PS3. Sony isn't the only one in this boat."
Totally different boat..Nintendo isn't having production line issues like Sony is having, which is why their and many other Blu-Ray players are STILL not out/having major issues.
This is a bigger issues then not start production yet. Which is why Sony having 4 million by the end of the year is looking like mission impossible....And then if any of those palyer that are release have issues, a simple firmware update isn't going to work, then they'll have to repalce those systems out of the systems they already made.....
If they would have started production on
Aug. 17 (3 month,90 days roughly,2,000,000 consoles) before launch. this would mean they would have to produce 24 hours a day, 15 consoles a minute, or 1 console every 4 seconds.
Just me: Please work in manufacturing before you spout idiocy like that. Nintendo may be looking or a manufacturing trainee, but that would have nothing to do with Wii production. For one thing, all manufacturing is given to contractors, who manage their own workforces. Do you really think Nintendo hires their own line workers, builds their own lines, etc?
The only manufacturing people Nintendo would have on staff are of the consulting, oversight, and design variety. These are always in demand and may fulfill a product that is as of yet unannounced. It is far too late to bring in ANY manufacturing engineer for anything that will start production within the next year or so. That job posting you're looking at likely has nothing to do with Wii production at all.
In reference to Mathew's suggestion that the 360 isn't a huge jump over the original Xbox I say this: Look at Black, one of the prettiest Xbox games to date (or PS2 for that matter-how'd they DO that???), running on an Xbox in 480p or whatever its Hi-Def equivilent was.
Then take a look at Oblivion.
Even in just 480p the draw distance, textures, normal-mapping the freaking PHENOMENAL lighting...
Or to be a more apples to apples comparison, Call of Duty 2. Smoke/paricle effects, amount of enemies on-screen at one time, improved AI...
I can go on, but what the hell are you people talking about??? It gets even better with a jump to 720p or 1080i.
Actually the job posting was for Infiniam Labs. I do believe they are manufacturing the Wii. I'm not your average idiot that posts here so its cool. Everyone is wrong once in a while..But believe me that I've did my research before I post. Doesn't mean I'm right..but it does mean I'm not an idiot.
Here's your link @Justme
http://www.digitimes.com/bits_chips/a20060707PB205.html
I found a lot of info on Wii production, but they are not
announcing where it is being produced (maybe that huge shipment of missing DS systems is the reason why).
Try using a search engine next time instead of fanboy reasoning.
Back to the topic...
After my 360 experience and Sonys history (Rootkits, PS2 laser, exploding batteries, Mini-discs, etc) I would never be an early adopter for this system anyway. Maybe after a few years I'll pick one up (they'll be cheaper and the games will start to get better).
To all you fools,
I'm so sick of hearing all you girls talk about "Sony's days being numbered". Seriously, who's paying you to say this crap. Sony owns almost half of the market right now and are making a system that does everything the Xbox360 does without having to buy all the extra add-ons. If you own a 360, take a second and add up all the money you have put into it. I bet its over $600. If not then wait til you buy that super sick HD-DVD addon that they are releasing for $200. You've been owned.
Sincerely,
Help Line
P.S. Click on my name, listen to some music, and chill out.
oops. now you can click on my name.
How do I have fanboy reasonings? I own a 360..will own a PS3..and will own a Wii...Also you found alot of "Is Wii already in production?" websites. You found nothing solid. Wanna know why? Because the info has not been officially released like you just said. They have not announced anything whatsoever.
Your computer screen must be really reflective...fanboy :P
Zadillo,
For me, a "portable console" is a good handheld gaming device. I find I can whip out either the DS or PSP and play a game for 10-15 minutes once done either fold it or switch it to sleep and continue on return. The difference being I often find most DS games very simplistic with little to offer hence my preference for the PSP. A good example of how these two differ being Burnout Legends:
http://ds.ign.com/articles/673/673092p1.html
http://psp.ign.com/articles/650/650814p1.html
Did anyone look at the stock? Where is the drop on this line? It looks perfectly normal to me. They dipped a bit because of batteries I assume but the one year projection still looks good:
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=SNE&t=1y&l=on&z=m&q=l&c=
Hell, even 3 month is still pretty stable. A 2.77% drop in one day is not something to get fired up about. Especially with the battery scandal.
Check it out - the POS3 VAPOR Edition.
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/2186/pos3md7.jpg
The moment they said they were going for blu-ray the moment i thought "this is going to be interesting" and after Ms wisely decided not to support blu-ray and go for hd-dvd for both the xbox360-vista pc (even if it´s not out of the box) and to target online distribution, i knew sony were in for a huge fight, they could easily lose., i think that the way the PS3 is going to sell, will be very likeable 360 did but in reverse.. poor sales in usa not only because of the price but because there is no way in hell, that at the rate they are producing the they will favor USA instead of JAPAN.
In JAPAN the PS3 will cause a huge DS like riot and the japanese will actually start buying the 360 becuase there will not be not even a third of the supply needed with the PS3 for that market and because by then there will be 15 japanese targeted 360 games.
it´s just like that. that same effect happened when the DS lite sold out, for the three weeks the DS was nowhere to be seen, the PSP sales fired up.
But about sony being taken out by this inmediately?, nah, you know what is giving sony the biggest money? The sonyericcson deal, PS2 and their Laptops. they amassed almost 5billion this time, so it will take harder blow this time that when the Playstation was launched and it was the only thing that saved the company from having to sell 25% of their stock and diluting itself or worse.
a production line that could make ps3's as fast as sony needs them would make henry ford proud.
unless it were a production line run by jews.
A shortage of a new console?!
OMGLOLWTFBBQM8!!!!!!!!!
Is that a surprise? Really? Look at....the entire history of the game industry. The have always been console shortages right at launch and curb around 4 months after release.
Their stock won't drop because of a shortage. If anything it'll go up.
Sony is heading into some big problems. The PS3 looks more and more like its going to fall into third place behind the 360 and the Wii. Blu-Ray is destined to fail. And now, all these battery recalls from Dell and Apple, with more probably coming soon. They are losing money everywhere. The only thing they have going for them is their TV's.
I have a PSP and a DS, and while my DS gets about 10x the amount of playing time my PSP does, the PSP does have some good games. But before you say too many games for the DS are "cheap and childish" Play Advance Wars DS, Trauma Center, Metriod Prime Hunters(especially online), then wait for Final Fantasy III, and Zelda. Those are just games I threw out there. There are several other amazing games for the DS right now or that are up and coming.
PSP has Syphon Filter, SOCOM, Tekken, Valkyre with more than a couple games coming out that I plan on buying before the year is out.
I'm a huge Nintendo fan, and much prefer the DS to the PSP, but I don't start flame wars by calling the other conole childish. In fact, I praise the good the other console does.
On topic:
It doesn't matter how much the PS3 is, people will buy it. Why? Because it is called a playstation. There is an entire generation of gamers who were 14 when the PS1 came out who are about 25 now, most of whom have enough disposable income to be able to buy a PS3. For them, it is the only console they think is any good, since it is a playstation.
If sony wouldn't have been so insistant on putting blu-ray in the PS3, it would cost as much as the Xbox360 while still being(arguably) superior. The Cell processor will be an amazing processor some day, but it is not designed for gaming. It is desined to be a multimedia processor.
If not for the astronomical price tag, I would probably pick up a PS3, because for the most part, the feature set does excite me, as it stands now I'll be getting a Wii at launch, and probably getting a 360 next year.
Oh, one last thing. Neither Sony or Nintendo will have enough units at launch this year. Sony simply won't be able to produce enough. I think that North America will end up getting less than 500,000 units simply because they need to get as many as they can to Japan this year. As for the Wii, they might as well just mail one out to every home in Japan and send a bill, because everyone in Japan will buy one anyway. And in North America it'll sell too. In Canada Toys R Us is doing pre-orders for the Wii, has been for a couple months. I went to my nearest TRU about a week after they started doing the pre-orders to get my order down, and I was already the 21st pre order, in a week, about 6 months before launch.
wunderbar
The stock price dropped because of the battery recall that will cost the company approximately $258 million, which was announced today.
The Wii Just got some official pricing according to the BBC online.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/5280958.stm
Andir2.0, you need to take a look at the actual stock, which trades on Japanese markets during Japanese market hours (you provided a link to the NYSE ADR). This link shows the drop:
http://quote.yahoo.co.jp/q?s=6758.t&d=c&t=3m&l=off&z=b&q=c&k=c3&a=v&h=on&p=m25,m75,s
Uhh.. Md did you read the entire article or just the headline?
Yes, that's why I said "According to the BBC online."
Hey, it was new News(kinda)so I posted it.
"If you own a 360, take a second and add up all the money you have put into it. I bet its over $600. If not then wait til you buy that super sick HD-DVD addon that they are releasing for $200. You've been owned."
Xbox 360 Premium Console Package: $400
PS3: $500 or $600
I've still got the money to buy a game or two or three, depending on which PS3 version you are comparing to. Another thing about HD-DVD, you can burn a regular DVD version and the HD version on the same disc, something that can't be done on Blu-Ray. So HD discs that are burned on both sides can be used in all DVD players, consoles, and computers. Games could be burned in the standard DVD and the HD, allowing for a single disc for both drives.
As this article is on the PS3...
I believe Sony really screwed up in deciding to go with Blu-Ray format. It is more expensvie to manufacture, the discs themselves are more easily scratched, and I don't see it really taking off, especially with players costing a minimum of $1000. HD-DVD will win the format war.
"I'm so sick of hearing all you girls talk about "Sony's days being numbered". Seriously, who's paying you to say this crap. Sony owns almost half of the market right now and are making a system that does everything the Xbox360 does without having to buy all the extra add-ons. If you own a 360, take a second and add up all the money you have put into it. I bet its over $600. If not then wait til you buy that super sick HD-DVD addon that they are releasing for $200. You've been owned."
*yawn* WOW! EXPENSIVE STUFF! AND IT'S SLIGHTLY CHEAPER! Look, talk to the average blue collar worker. Let's say he loves the environment. Is he going to buy an on-sale hybrid car, for only two-thirds of the price? No. He's going to get some used, four year old sedan, even though it eats up gas like anything, because it's all he can afford. The average guy in the united states makes something like forty thousand dollars, and Nintendo has begun to figure out how to tap into this humongous well. The "Average Joe" well. Look at the way that Nintendo has been marketing the DS. It has a kind of urban feel, to attract, well, the urban market. Marketing works so well in Urban settings because fads come and go all the time in cities, but this is one thing that it doesn't matter if the fad goes. You've already bought a DS. It's too late. And who's going to get the PSP? Avid gamers of playstation, aka the middle and upper class. Try actually talking to the people who work at the places where you fuel your addictions, like gamestop. Nintendo has been the only company not losing money for months, because the gamecube is a nice, simple design, cheap to manufacture, and because people are buying it, and because the DS is an equally good design, relatively cheap to manufacture, and they're SELLING LIKE HOTCAKES. Who the hell is sony marketing the psp to? Squirrels with nuts? No, of course not. Weirdos, aka gamers. People who are already in the industry, who they want to keep. The people they don't need to market to. Their strategy is just absurd.
Look, here's what's happening. Microsoft and Sony are squabbling over this one acre of land that already has some farming equipment on it, because it has the equipment. Nintendo just took a look around, and realized that there are greener pastures for miles around, and is running out to stake its claim.
Hmm, in a completely unrelated comment, I know that a lot of my friends, as well as myself, are thinking less and less of graphics. They've reached a threshold, and it looks really pretty, but gameplay isn't getting any better anymore. Nintendo has a solution for that. They experimented with that stupid Donkey Kong game with the bongos, and with the DS, and now they're going to try out this remote thing with the wii. I think it looks like fun. (Besides, the madden for wii is going to be amazing. I don't personally like sports games, but I know an amazing amount of sales come from Madden, and being able to actually pass the ball with the wiimote is going to be a huge hit.)
"Desert" hit the nail on the head...Us Sony fans will be more than enough to make PS3 the winner of Next Gen anyway. All you Microsoft guys you have a good console, but it had kinks at the beginning too, stop worrying about Sony...they'll be just fine with a truly next gen system, take your overpriced DVD player and be happy!
Who would have thought?
PS3 supply shortages?
Could this be true?
According to this, 2 million units by launch may be feasible:
http://www.digitimes.com/bits_chips/a20060823PB203.html
People should really stop hating Sony so much, are they the new Microsoft?
Who cares about shortages?
As a rule dont ever buy a console till a year after launch when most bug and glitches have been revealed... then decide if its still worth it
YOu mean to tell me that ppl all around the world have $600 as disposable income? Sony your interpretation of world is so skewed!!!
NEWS FLASH
BACK LOG OF SONY'S PS3 $600 GEORGE FOREMAN GRILL
No matter what anyone says about Sony...we all know that the PS3 will sell like crazy in Japan/Asia. If you didn't know that, then go play your xbox/xbox360.
@Michael
Yes, "people" hate Sony. Why because they delayed there console in Spring 2006, and because the Sony MUSIC division used a copy-protection software that could be compromised, oh and apparently because betamax failed to beat VHS, and minidisc is no longer mainstream, and um UMD movies are going bye-bye.....
These same "people" forget that Sony managed to fit in a HiDef player into their console for $100 less than the competition.
The also forget that after the root-kit "fiasco" Sony/BMG sent out replacement CD's. They also forget the Betamax was a better medium but more costly and proprietary, while Blu-Ray is NOT, and MiniDisc is not Dead, its actually alive and doing well, also UMD movies ARE going bye-bye cause Sony is moving towards online distribution to Memorystick Duos for the PSP.
more anti-FUD, now you know and knowing is half the battle...
I think you may be wrong. This round, in Japan, the Wii is the console to watch.
1st Wii
2nd Xbox 360
3rd PS3
No matter what anyone says about Sony...we all know that the PS3 will sell like crazy in Japan/Asia. If you didn't know that, then go play your xbox/xbox360.
Posted at 6:04PM on Aug 24th 2006 by Red
I think you may be wrong. This round, in Japan, the Wii is the console to watch.
1st Wii
2nd Xbox 360
3rd PS3
Posted at 6:23PM on Aug 24th 2006 by back door delivery [ ]
I highly doubt xbox360 is a console to watch in Japan in the long run. PS3 and Wii will be huge in Japan at both their launches, but PS3 seems to have the edge in terms of longevity due to it's specs. If I had the money, I'd buy both and go for the PSWii combo instead of the infamous Wii360 duo.
If I'm lucky, my sister will buy a Wii.
"The also forget that after the root-kit "fiasco" Sony/BMG sent out replacement CD's."
Nice spin take-it-up-the-***-from-Sony-boy.
They only released replacement CD's after they were dragged kicking and screaming through court by consumer groups with class action lawsuits. They didn't even offer to fix any of the PC's they had wrecked with their rootkits. Consumers had to pay to repair the costly damage Sony had inflicted on their machines themselves.
Yeah... really pro-consumer matie. You are f***ing rediculous.
Nakamura - very insightful!
Sony is so focused on competing with the 360 over hard-core gamers, they are completely ignoring the Wii. Sony has no answer for the Wii's price, and no offering of games to tempt people away from the Wii.
Hard-core gamers are a minority of game console buyers. Last gen, the XBox1 was the must-have system for hard-core console gamers, and it sold under 25 million worldwide. Meanwhile, the PS2 sold over 100 million worldwide by appealing to a wider audience.
But unlike the PS2, Sony is positioning the PS3 almost exclusively for hard-core gamers! Only hard-core gamers will pay the PS3's high price, and most of the games Sony is demonstrating and hyping are shooters and combat sims with excessive realistic violence. The PS3 won't exactly be a parent-friendly system this Christmas.
really though everythings not all about which system has the best graphics i am not a fanboy of anykind i just like all systems i mean xbox 360 suppose to be best graphics and all that good stuff, ps3 suppose to be blue ray and all that good stuff, Wii is a new "revolution" to gaming and i would personally buy the Wii because Hey its not all about graphics i would say that if you have decent graphics and your having Fun. The system is worth it
I think Sony are hedging all their bets on brand loyalty to sell the first x million systems. Many people posting here seem to think that hey, they bouht the PS2 so they will buy the PS3. Thats just not going to happen.
People who are willing to spend a lot of money on gaming will already have the 360, I had a PSOne a PS2 and now have a 360. I would spend $600 on a system that was again the same power jump that the 360 has over the PS2, but not for a marginal gain.
The 360 sales are in the exact same market as the PS3 is hitting, so the 5-6 million xboxes are a direct cut from the potential PS3 sales.
The PS2 sold so well because it was the cheapest system, you could hack it and use copied games, all your mates had one. None of those ring true for the PS3, no hardcore gamer with disposable income is oing to have waited more than a year to get High Def gaming.
All the hype by the 14 year old Sony fanboys, I've seen it all before - these are the kids who spend christmas day crying because they assumed their parents would pay $600 for a gaming system. The people with the biggest mouths online are the ones that have the least say.
Ohhhh. I sense anger in me young Skywalker.
No wonder the great s0nY are failing.
I’m a game developer by "trade" and I’m amazed how little s0nY cares about the developer.
We’re struggling to make a "launch title" submission date and there’s at least a 2-3 day(!) average delay on any question made to the "only next gen" console manufacturer.
Kutaragi must be on ACID! XBox360 only Xbox 1.5? Nah.
Tool chain quality? Debugger that works properly (and is integrated into the IDE?) The SNSYSTEMS PS3 debugger resembles the SNES(!) one from about 11 years ago. OMG!
There’s no doubt, the PS3 is a powerful machine (in the right hands (MGS”X” will be a showcase), and with a SIZEABLE don’t care budget) but, c’mon s0nY throw us developers a bone. MS give us XUI, XACT, great dev-tools VS and debugger that works. What do s0nY give us? A bunch of crap Linux command line tools, a 5-10 year old debugger design, “they work just fine for now”(I paraphrase) and "If you re-re-write to use the cell you’ll get at least 10X++ performance of the PPU"(Again I paraphrase). Hmm.. emm.. Mr s0nY? I’m on a tight deadline and I don’t have time (a year + and unless you can afford to do so you’ll fall far short of what the Xenon can do.) to re-write an engine for some flash in the pan, bitch to use marchitecture.
Say what you like about MS but they treat their developers (code, help & tools) very well.
No wonder s0nY haven’t started manufacturing yet! They haven’t even got a 1.0 library set!
AND, How can you make a supposedly online enabled console without any concept of how your DRM or DLC model will work!?
How can you make a “next-gen” console without a stable bios / library set?
More wine please, it dulls the pain.
:oP
@sycks,
What the hell are you taking about? Sony fixed their root-kit disaster by give out free CD? Big F_cking Deal… they shouldn’t have put the DRM inside the CD to begin with! Duh!!!!!
By that “Pretzel Logic”, it’s perfectly OK to rob a family at gunpoint. Well, just because the thief got caught, and the items were returned, justice was served – everything’s cool now? Come on, there isn’t enough “Fanboy” in the world, that you would be stupid enough to believe that lie.
Where exactly IS the MiniDisc doing well? I don’t see ANYBODY carrying a MD player – but I sure as hell see EVERYONE with an iPod? Or are YOU living on a different planet?
Oh this is perfect. You know this is gonna be vary affordable for a few years. Than like always Sony will come around latter and really rise up. Reality? You have to be a idiot to not realize their machine is still gonna come threw by 2009 at least. Smart ones will buy now. But you cant just play it off their Playstation. Their a major company. Playstation are just a spec of their area. But it could be a solid investment. Knowing you cant keep a system set well for those coming years down. This is one to defiantly look at. Sony's came threw every time. The gaming kids are stupid. They will buy into a launch being important, and stocks will fall big time. Latter they will get everything together. And if you all have seen this machine. Its nuts for 600. Everyone knows going to rip the competitors, once they go into the future with it. Smart business knows this. And people realize what it is. And that the 360 is really the rip off machine at 400. Once the public gets this it will shoot threw the roof. This is one that is going to be played well and good on the market. But like I said even thow their gamming area is sure to lower than Shoot like a star latter. That does not mean their whole company will. So don't look only one way and get trapped. Defiantly keep and eye on this one for long term.
I just want everyone to post these comments six months after the ps3 ships and there are some games and users out there online. Lets just see what people say then. Can we all use this wiki to define what speculation means. I am just wondering if you guys have any basis for these comments. I am pretty sure the ps3 will do fine and sony too as soon as people start buying these things. If you think about it, there is a demand, and when the supply catches up, there will be a pretty good foundation for developers and people to make and buy good games.
Sony is letting me down...
And I love the Playstation. but they are cheap with only bringing out 400,000 ps3's to the united states.
That's just freaking plain retardedness right there and whoever thought of the idea of doing that was really stupid.
[note:] and I thought Japanese people were supposed to be sMaRT!