Roulette-cheating gadget may be legal in the UK?

In case that established career of yours isn't working out so well, you may want to consider a move to the United Kingdom, where a new law deregulating the gambling industry may make it much easier to cheat at roulette. A £1,000 ($1,883) device, consisting of a tiny computer that can be embedded inside other electronics is used to calculate deceleration on a roulette wheel that's perceived to favor one section over another; the computer then sends an audio signal to the wearer alerting him/her where to place a bet. The Guardian reports that the legal change requires casinos to police themselves, and that the Gambling Comission is advising British gaming establishments to refuse making pay outs to gamblers caught with the device, forcing upset clientèle to take their grievances to court. Still, it's unclear whether or not the so-called Gambling Act 2005 which goes into effect next year actually prohibits such devices -- although it does create a "criminal offence for cheating at gambling," Europe's only professor of gambling, Mark Griffiths at Nottingham Trent University, argues that neither the roulette computer nor card counting techniques constitute cheating to begin with because both supposedly use "science to give yourself a better advantage." While we'd have to disagree that using a computer inside a casino is the same thing as using your brain, the fact of the matter is that the gambling community as a whole benefits from a stricter interpretation of the law: i.e. if electronic aids become legal, and everyone starts using them and winning, then the casinos will eventually go out of business and there'll be no more gambling at all -- way to ruin everyone's good time, you lousy non-cheaters.

[Via The Guardian]

[Jimmy Chonga @ Sep 17th 2006 9:35PM]

Like on CSI?

[TCReality @ Sep 17th 2006 9:43PM]

Yeah, I think that's what they mean.
It's a good idea. But it's almost like cheating the system. Let's go back to that primitive luck system that made this all so much fun.

[mark @ Sep 18th 2006 1:03AM]

I doubt if it will continue to be legal for long time !

[Mike Scott @ Sep 18th 2006 2:05AM]

It's not cheating; predicting where the ball will stop is what you're supposed to be doing when you play roulette. But the casinos can stop it very very easily simply by requiring all bets to be placed before the wheel is spun.

[Gster @ Sep 18th 2006 4:12AM]

There's a simple soloution for this...the Casinos need to balance there Roulette Wheels on a regular basis...I worked as a roulette dealer in Australia in a large (100+ Tables & 1000's of Pokies)casino and i only saw the roulette wheels being balance once in 4 years

[accreativos @ Sep 18th 2006 4:14AM]

Also it is possible to be predicted, with some launchings of crupier. Hera a fun project that try to do this... http://sourceforge.net/projects/casinome Fun with this, but remembers that the roulette is random.

[fondy44 @ Sep 18th 2006 4:18AM]

I don't think we need to worry about the poor little casinos. A night or even a weeks-worth of losses probably isn't going to put them out of business. If a particular game is consistently unprofitable, I'm sure it won't remain on the casino floor for long.

[Alpha4 @ Sep 18th 2006 5:24AM]

I reckon that the whole thing will be self-regulating. Follow these simple steps....
1. You use a device to predict where the Roulette wheel will stop in a casino.
2. You spend 3 weeks in hospital dumping in a paper mache bowl.
3. You spend a further 6 weeks limping quite badly.

Wanna go back to Step 1?

[187 - John Doe @ Sep 18th 2006 6:25AM]

I always have and always will continue counting at BlackJack... It pwns.

[Plue @ Sep 18th 2006 8:50AM]

It doesn't matter if it's "legal" to do or not, as casinos are privately owned businesses. If they catch you cheating, they're still going to throw you out on your ear.

If a casino can tell you're counting cards, they'll kick you out. Counting cards can certainly not be called illegal since you do it inside your head.

We don't have thoughtpolice YET.

[simon @ Sep 18th 2006 12:35PM]

I cannot see what government has to do with this, casinos should use their own initiative.

It is a private casino so they should be able to decide who can enter and who cannot. Previously, to combat card counters they setup and international database and put pictures of known card counters on it(saw this on a TV prog). Why does everyone look at the government to "fix" stuff they are quite capable of doing themselves?

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[steve @ Aug 1st 2007 12:31PM]

It seems to be ok for casinos to cheat and steal off gamblers but if we do it, we get hung drawn and quatered. Why should casinos make money from us. And why play, because the house always wins in the end. Its one rule for them and one rule for us.

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