The game has changed
By Evan Blass 
posted Jan 9th 2007 2:39PM
posted Jan 9th 2007 2:39PM
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T-Mobile carrying it in the UK?
You're kidding, right?
Today it would have to be Orange. They are the only UK network with an EDGE network. All the rest have 3G.
doubt that. should be available on all network in the uk. never heard of network exclusivity over here.
Vodaphone has Sharp models exclusive in the UK.
And I just hope to god it isn't them or orange who get this in the UK. Though it deffo won't be 3 (with it not being a 3G handset, which is cool as 3 customer service is awful!)
At least RIM is trying with there new slim Pearl phones.
Palm refuses to slim their phones down and add Wi-Fi.
Apple will shake this shit up!
Dinosaurs be ware.
Thank god.
Palm faced impending competition with the arrogance of Sony, and they will face a fate similar to what Sony is facing in the console market. Sony can survive this, but I doubt Palm can. Here's a quote from Palm's CEO (in an interview with the Mercury News, Nov. 2006):
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Responding to questions from New York Times correspondent John Markoff at a Churchill Club breakfast gathering Thursday morning, Colligan laughed off the idea that any company — including the wildly popular Apple Computer — could easily win customers in the finicky smart-phone sector.
“We’ve learned and struggled for a few years here figuring out how to make a decent phone,” he said. “PC guys are not going to just figure this out. They’re not going to just walk in.”
Yep, Palm deserves a good kick for dropping the ball on this. I've been a longtime Palm customer, and have been waiting (and waiting) for my Palm OS6 WiFi-enabled Treo. Nothing. Depending on what additional programs the Apple iPhone can support -- it DOES run OSX, after all -- Palm might have just lost another customer.
Serves them right.
dinosaurs? This device is more innovative than the wii. but if you want to talk about ancient, EDGE. NO HSDPA/UMTS! SHAME ON YOU APPLE.
....I'll still be buying one ASAP.
Priceless.
I would say: Pricey.
Waiting for real reviews now. If its as easy and seemless as it looks, its just awesome...
but still pricey, and that's with a two year contract...
How much for an unlocked one, I wonder....
Oh SNAP!
Is Palm's CEO still laughing about Apple's Phone......???????? I doubt it.......... they should be afraid....... very afraid from what i can see.
It is pricy, but the fact that it merges your phone/pda/ipod into one device is great.
I'm curious about just how scratch resistant this thing will end up being though, lord knows the iPod was already a disaster if left unprotected, and that didn't involve you putting your hands all over the screen.
I'm betting Apple isn't going after smartphones, or PDAs, but rather Microsoft's UMPC...very tricky of them.
The UMPC was/is a flop.
RIMM has so much corporate lock-in that this won't affect them.
Palm, on the other hand, is screwed. They've had years to innovate and chose to basically do nothing.
Anyone want to buy my GSM Treo 650 in June?
Remember these famous last words from Palm's CEO?
"We've learned and struggled for a few years here figuring out how to make a decent phone," he said. "PC guys are not going to just figure this out. They're not going to just walk in".
--Ed Colligan, CEO of Palm. (Mercury News, Nov. 2006)
(from http://daringfireball.net/2006/11/colligan_head_stuck )
Palm just got bitch slapped!!!!!!
If iPhone can't open word, excel, visio, and pdf files, then Palm has NOTHING to worry about.
data plans and phones are sold to enterprise users and we NEED our documents. That's the whole point. If Apple can't do that, then this is all going to be too expensive for the average Joe and not deliver core features to corporate america.
Um, you did hear the part about running OSX right? OSX can run the OSX version of the Office Suite just fine...... Oh Snap!
If its running OS X, has 8GB of storage... there is no doubt it would be able to open anything OS X could... hince it will be the end of palm.
it is running os x so.... hello yeah it can open all those files
I do doubt that the phone will only be available through ATT. Buy one unlocked from Apple, just like I purchase all of my other phones...
Apple is going to own the high-end consumer space, which RIM was picking up. If the iPhone wasn't announced, I would have purchased one. Palm, while still going, is in need of a consumer tie-in. This may simply mean more involvement with Microsoft. I can't see the Palm platform being extended. They don't have the resources.
If Apple created a messaging platform, or if Google created a licensable back-end system that IT folks could route through, things could get interesting. We're a bit overdue for some messaging/email innovation.
I am guessing that OSX application development environments for simulating the iPhone will be out very soon. Developers will then have 4-5 months to have a huge collection of widgets and software ported to this phone.
All the major players will be in on the act (Flash, PDF viewers, "office document" viewers, RSS feed clients etc.)
My god, can they be stopped? This will inevitably be another of Apple's beautiful triumphs. I can't wait!
All of you who are dogging on it are the same people who didn't think the IPod was worth the money..... buy a cheap knock off & have fun!
Running OS X doesnt mean running office.
It should be obvious that this is a version of OS X specifically tailored for the phone. Call it "OS X mobile" if you will.
Hopefully they will release mobile office apps for OS X mobile, but they didnt say anything about it yet...
For one thing, everything is touch screen driven, so all the interfaces would probably have to be redesigned (unless you want some half-assed apps)
erm, go read the latest engadget post....no office support at all >_>.
i was looking so forward to this, but the $600 + no physical keyboard + no 3g + CINGULAR (which does in fact support 3g....) + lack of actual smartphoneyness(ability to install 3rd party apps like on wm5/palm)...
don't get me wrong, if there is a 2nd gen cheaper model and some homebrew from people, and DEFINATELY a price drop of some sort, i would be all for it.
Yes.. the fact that big guys like google and yahoo are in make it very difficult for other companies to shine. Pricing of the hardware aside, I am wondering what kind of plan is needed and if things like iChat (I hate paying for texting) , if not any other application will be supported.
It looks like a nice convergence device but not something I can carry in my back pocket. The PDA died and Smartphones are taking over. Maybe Apple thinks an iPod with a phone is da future.
And I just don't see how they are going to deliver on battery life.
I think this was long overdue but a brilliant add-on to the iPod market. Like Chocolate and peanut butter have come together. Phone + iPod. The battery life will be handled with the addition of cheaper and cheaper solid state drives.
The most interesting thing to me is the fact that Apple has implicitly shelved the Mac OS on a PC for an OS that will run on phones/small devices. Image how much more money they could make if they licensed the OS on phones rather than PC's. 900+ million phones and growing by leaps and bounds. if they take just 1% of that jobs noted. What about 20%?
I don't even understand what this 'article' means. Apple stock sees a bump during Macworld, and "the game has changed?" Actually, Apple stock seeing a bump during Macworld seems like what always happens, what does it have to do with any game changing?
And the idiot of the day is. . .
Around 12:21 eastern, somebody sold 1.67 Million shares of AAPL at 85.28, bumping the price down about 2.50. Talk about panic selling. AAPL then began to rise and is right now just below 92. Nervous Nellie is so eating $8 Million on that smart move.
Please Mr.Lloyd, it is not just Apple shown in the graph, ResearchInMotion & Palm are as well... compare!
Oh, and Palm is irrelevant at this point. Even Microsoft has had limited success after 5 years of hammering on the market. Apple has ONE launch carrier with a device that costs TWICE as much as the competition.
Motorola, Nokia and Samsung are all YAWNING.
The iPod costs almost twice as much as some of its competition.
Price point must be why Apple is trailing in the DAP market, and why they won't be able to do the same thing in the mobile market.
does somebody here think Apple will use all those technologies they developed (and patented) over the years only in this device?
try to think a bit further ...
Andy, are you kidding me?
It runs OS X! With that type of developer base, this unit is fairly unstoppable...msoffice shouldn't be much of an issue at all.
Except for a)build quality issues on 1st gen, b)unlockability (fer us t-mo folks), and c)blackberry pearl resale market!
it is not as bigg as you think as matter of fact it is much smaller than treo and it is a phone not just a pda
HTC just needs to bring out a new WM PPC phone with more storage. I think my 6700 bests RIM and Palm's offering in flexibility and capabitilies by far. All they would have to do would be add in the 8 GBs of flash memory and anyone else on the market would be owned.
Touchscreen, QWERTY, 3G data, a decent form factor, good Windows integration, and a huge developer community... Yeah.
Who wants to bet Apple doesn't license OS X Mobile out to anyone else? pfft...
I don't think so irrread... your reaction is the the same as the one that everyone had when the iPod came out and look what happened now. Even I thought the ipod was expensive but I've got one in my pocket rite now. The simple fact that guys like my dad (who completely hates new technology) want this is amazing. Apple has reached true convergence.
If Apple's brand power was somehow harnessed and expressed in the form of a big robot, the statistics would indicate that basical... I.. I just would not want to fuck with that robot.
True. Apple was able to generate more publicity around this phone by saying absolutely nothing than Microsoft was able to generate around the Zune with their astroturfing and millions spent on advertising. But all it takes is one bad year to really destroy brand strength: look at Sony. They seemed unstoppable for two Play Station generations, and now, their PS3 sits on the shelves gathering dusts. If it could happen to Sony, it could happen to Apple.
pwned
Don't forget, though... he still got $142 million from the sale.
That graph makes me smile.
Time to snap up some RIM (and maybe Palm) shares?
Anyone using a smartphone with a keyboard isn't gonna ditch their Blackberry/Treo/Wizard for this. Seriously. The keyboard is what defines these things.
Right now, I think SE and Nokia should be more worried than RIM/Palm...
I guess this means an end to PalmOS, although I hope not. There'd better be lots of developers for this platform or it's screwed. I'd hate to see a world where it's WM and Apple and no PalmOS...I've got too many good apps that I use daily.
how has "the game changed" based upon a few hours of results on a day when apple announces a new phone product and no other competitors do?
that's like saying osu will win the bcs game after watching the first 15 seconds of last nights game. you have no idea what's going to happen in the future. this is just the first few hours of the first day.
Interesting that some here don't feel this is a big deal to MS, Palm, or other device providers.
The cost is substantial when compared to other phones. But perhaps not so much so if you think of it as a small portable computer with a persistent data/voice connection.
Finally *one* device to rule them all - I hope this finally allows me to stop lugging my ipod, phone, and PDA around. I anxiously await the usability / functionality reviews...
That graph is cute but means nothing if the iPhone lacks BB Connect and/or Goodlink support.
As a corporate user I'd love to have the iPhone as it would cut down on the number of gadgets I carry while traveling and it looks pretty slick and small compared to current Blackberry's and Treos. However, without my Goodlink it would defeat the purpose. People will not switch from BB Connect or Goodlink for Yahoo IMAP.
thank you for helping me check my portfolio
Bought some Apple stocks yesterday. I can now buy 2 iPhones with that profit.
this is a nice phone but i doubt it'll ever really do much in the enterprise.. the reason Blackberry and WM devices get deployed across an org is because they provide centralized management features that the IT team can use (i.e. decommission a phone from an admin tool remotely). They have a long way to reach the enterprise market but i doubt thats who they are marketing toward anyway...
Sure the Apple Phone is nice and all that but what happened to making a cell phone functional? I know way to many people that have purchased Blackberries, Treos and never use a third of the functionality. Also if I wanted to get an Apple Phone I'd have to get one without a camera due to alot of companies do not allow camera phones on site. Either way it will be interesting to see how this plays out.
Hi; I work at the Apple Store.
The iPhone runs on OsX. So In about 2 weeks there will be a page on the Apple's site open for developer software, shareware & Freeware, Widgets, etc. This phone is going to be the hottest thing. Basically you can run anything on this gadget except Classic Apps. This is a computer, Phone, PDA & iPod all in one. Running the Apps: Simply sync the phone with your Mac. Watch the Phone pop up as a hardrive on your desktop and Install your Apps into the phone. Adobe is working on special Apps at the moment. To run e-mail and internet u need A ".MAC" Account. The Phone comes Unlocked. The Phone does not work with Verizon at the moment because the have a contract with VCast.
Jamie - Thats not to smart anounching you work at an Apple Store. Comments like that get people fired.
If I remember from the keynote, you don't need .Mac to run e-mail; the mail service is provided through Yahoo (and likely Google later on, I suspect.)
To be honest, .Mac sucks even compared to free services that offer approximately free features.
Jamie... I'm pretty sure that the phone comes locked onto the Cingular Network (however its probably possible to get it unlocked) and I'm pretty sure that it wouldn't work on Verizon because it isn't the same technology, Verizon is CDMA and this phone has a GSM radio... their not compatible.
On the other hand this phone is pretty cool considering that it has a lot of features that aren't available from all its "competition" (like wifi and 8GB hard drive).
I don't think that RIM's pearl, Palm's Treo and Moto's Q have much to worry about. I don't think that they are appealing to the same consumers (even though there will be some that are caught in between).
Its a great phone but you know Apple, they generally do better the second time around. Eventhough I don't see much room for improvement, other than battery life and size (not that its big or anything, but you can never get too small (other than that stupid KRZR)), but that's because I haven't been able to test out the interface.
Palm is saying "Don't do it it's too sexy, don't do it!"
Too Funny! no, Too Sexy!!!
Battery life will be nonexistent. Mark my words.
The Cingular iPhone exclusive is enough to drive SPRINT right out of business ... I think the only advantage Sprint has right now for smartphone users is a lower data pricing model.
I HATE to have to switch providers, but WILL if there is no chance Sprint will ever have this phone.
My Name is not Jamie. Thats just my screename
That person who said — can you open PDF documents? — needs to learn a little about Mac OS X.
All 2D graphics are drawn using a technology called quartz, which is based on the PDF format.
It's why you can print to PDF from every application in Mac OS X.
@ Jamie_AppleNYC and all the other people who say that it running OS X means it can run OS X apps.
What you are forgetting is that this will NOT use an intel or PPC processor, it'll no doubt be an ARM processor, so the fact that it runs OS X is irrelevant, the processor won't support existing apps.
Also: I give it til about 4th July until linux is running on this thing.
Whoever was saying it won't be able to run apps because it will have an ARM processor...
Ever heard of rosetta?
This certainly looks nice, but you all who think you can run Mac OS apps on this - wake up.
It runs Mac OS X as in a special version of the OS X kernel, custom made for a mobile platform. It is so much more restricted when it comes to processing power, memory, graphics and what have you, compared to a "normal" computer that you can't really compare. It is also not running an x86 or PPC CPU so any app that is compatible with the minimalistic version of OS X will anyway have to be at least recompiled.
Also, the window manager and display manager, are for sure not the same as in the "PC" version of OS X. The user interface is a lot different from what it looks like, so any app that want to "fit in" with the pre-installed iPhone apps must have a remade UI. The UI is what makes this phone, but it also makes it harder to adapt existing apps.
If you think you can install your regular OS X apps in this, you are truly just kidding yourselves.
I am not saying that it won't be a hit, I think it will because it looks so cool, but from the looks of things, it does lack a number of important applications, especially for company use, but what is there has definitely a certain "flair" to them.
What apple needs are good office type applications that can sych with corporate systems like Exchange. They also need 3G (UMTS) capabilities, GPS and Mobile-TV, to be competitive, feature wise, with the other high end phone when it is actually time to start selling this device and if they want to sell it outside the US (it might be a novel thing for some, but the rest of the world is slightly larger than the US).
This phone does not match the current line up when it comes to features and will be even more behind when it starts to sell. What it does have is spectacular design and an innovative user interface. This has been a successful tactic for the iPod. Well see if it works for phones as well.
Damn!
Having recently gone through the whole smartphone thing, the iPhone is amazing! Oh, and by the way, Treo, uh, its all over - Apple has just put you out of your misery
@ the person who said that the iPhone will use its own form of rosetta:
That is VERY unlikely, since phones that use ARM have a speed of 200-500Mhz-ish. Now, Rosetta is slow enough running on dual core processors, designed to take a good strain. An ARM would run programs so incredibly slowly that it would not be worth the hassle, even if it were feasible.
Lets be real people. Its not actually OSX as in you could take it and put it on a computer, its been ported, and jobs didn't mention any kind of word processing above notes or support for even ONE third party app (except google maps). He's got the interface and design right, but he needs to cut down the price drastically, add tons more business savvy features, more than any other phone and then it'll be the perfect phone. Asfor the touchscreen, it seems great now but as other people have mentioned, it gets scratched and dirty and can screw up easily and get cracked etc. Overall i dont think it'll be a flop, but like mac computers (until recent years) it'll be for the rich. Hopefull they'll bring it down from that place and make it available for the rest of us but until then, other phones will rule (like the cheaper non-mac computers always did, its changing though)
the phone looks slick, but man imagine the wear an tear complaints with a touch screen interface. Sometime buttons are just more durable and the iphone will prove that to be true. Watch and see.
hell yeah, time to buy that palm stock!
I've probably spent to much of my day on this thing but i've noticed some things.
1-it appears to have far more computing power than is necessary to 'do' what it's sold to.
2-the project drove a wedge into the current cellular system- the industry sucks so it seems what they've had to do is totally get under the surface at the phone service provider (you can see this in the visual voicemail) and because of this the iPhone system will only work as designed with one provider, hence the exclusivity. More by necessity than greed.
3-it's not an overpriced apple plop, it is directly competitive if you keep in mind the workings of the mobile phone industry, you just can't introduce a first gen device at the same cost as long time suppliers.
though it is far more expensive than most people who wanted an apple phone for the logo will be likely to stomach.
and all those people complaining about scratches are a bunch of metro' nancy-boys
The "all-in-one" device is a dream. Will it manage my contacts efficiently or will it be better at playing video or games or will be a better camera?
And I can get a PSP/Nintendo Ds, an 30 GB IPOD and a real 3 mega-pixel camera for less than 600 bucks.
RIM taking a plunge? Where do you guys get your quotes? RIM's stocks are almost 5$ higher than at yesterday's closing. Same goes for Palm. Look at your Bloomberg people before saying things like that.
What's funny, looking back a few weeks later, is that the Apple stock has lost value over the last 3 months while both Palm and RiM have gained. In Palm's case a heafty 15 percent increase.
Yes, the game has changed.. Not!