Interesting that some here don't feel this is a big deal to MS, Palm, or other device providers.
The cost is substantial when compared to other phones. But perhaps not so much so if you think of it as a small portable computer with a persistent data/voice connection.
Finally *one* device to rule them all - I hope this finally allows me to stop lugging my ipod, phone, and PDA around. I anxiously await the usability / functionality reviews...
That graph is cute but means nothing if the iPhone lacks BB Connect and/or Goodlink support.
As a corporate user I'd love to have the iPhone as it would cut down on the number of gadgets I carry while traveling and it looks pretty slick and small compared to current Blackberry's and Treos. However, without my Goodlink it would defeat the purpose. People will not switch from BB Connect or Goodlink for Yahoo IMAP.
this is a nice phone but i doubt it'll ever really do much in the enterprise.. the reason Blackberry and WM devices get deployed across an org is because they provide centralized management features that the IT team can use (i.e. decommission a phone from an admin tool remotely). They have a long way to reach the enterprise market but i doubt thats who they are marketing toward anyway...
Sure the Apple Phone is nice and all that but what happened to making a cell phone functional? I know way to many people that have purchased Blackberries, Treos and never use a third of the functionality. Also if I wanted to get an Apple Phone I'd have to get one without a camera due to alot of companies do not allow camera phones on site. Either way it will be interesting to see how this plays out.
The iPhone runs on OsX. So In about 2 weeks there will be a page on the Apple's site open for developer software, shareware & Freeware, Widgets, etc. This phone is going to be the hottest thing. Basically you can run anything on this gadget except Classic Apps. This is a computer, Phone, PDA & iPod all in one. Running the Apps: Simply sync the phone with your Mac. Watch the Phone pop up as a hardrive on your desktop and Install your Apps into the phone. Adobe is working on special Apps at the moment. To run e-mail and internet u need A ".MAC" Account. The Phone comes Unlocked. The Phone does not work with Verizon at the moment because the have a contract with VCast.
Jamie... I'm pretty sure that the phone comes locked onto the Cingular Network (however its probably possible to get it unlocked) and I'm pretty sure that it wouldn't work on Verizon because it isn't the same technology, Verizon is CDMA and this phone has a GSM radio... their not compatible.
On the other hand this phone is pretty cool considering that it has a lot of features that aren't available from all its "competition" (like wifi and 8GB hard drive).
I don't think that RIM's pearl, Palm's Treo and Moto's Q have much to worry about. I don't think that they are appealing to the same consumers (even though there will be some that are caught in between).
Its a great phone but you know Apple, they generally do better the second time around. Eventhough I don't see much room for improvement, other than battery life and size (not that its big or anything, but you can never get too small (other than that stupid KRZR)), but that's because I haven't been able to test out the interface.
The Cingular iPhone exclusive is enough to drive SPRINT right out of business ... I think the only advantage Sprint has right now for smartphone users is a lower data pricing model.
I HATE to have to switch providers, but WILL if there is no chance Sprint will ever have this phone.
@ Jamie_AppleNYC and all the other people who say that it running OS X means it can run OS X apps.
What you are forgetting is that this will NOT use an intel or PPC processor, it'll no doubt be an ARM processor, so the fact that it runs OS X is irrelevant, the processor won't support existing apps.
Also: I give it til about 4th July until linux is running on this thing.
This certainly looks nice, but you all who think you can run Mac OS apps on this - wake up.
It runs Mac OS X as in a special version of the OS X kernel, custom made for a mobile platform. It is so much more restricted when it comes to processing power, memory, graphics and what have you, compared to a "normal" computer that you can't really compare. It is also not running an x86 or PPC CPU so any app that is compatible with the minimalistic version of OS X will anyway have to be at least recompiled. Also, the window manager and display manager, are for sure not the same as in the "PC" version of OS X. The user interface is a lot different from what it looks like, so any app that want to "fit in" with the pre-installed iPhone apps must have a remade UI. The UI is what makes this phone, but it also makes it harder to adapt existing apps.
If you think you can install your regular OS X apps in this, you are truly just kidding yourselves.
I am not saying that it won't be a hit, I think it will because it looks so cool, but from the looks of things, it does lack a number of important applications, especially for company use, but what is there has definitely a certain "flair" to them.
What apple needs are good office type applications that can sych with corporate systems like Exchange. They also need 3G (UMTS) capabilities, GPS and Mobile-TV, to be competitive, feature wise, with the other high end phone when it is actually time to start selling this device and if they want to sell it outside the US (it might be a novel thing for some, but the rest of the world is slightly larger than the US).
This phone does not match the current line up when it comes to features and will be even more behind when it starts to sell. What it does have is spectacular design and an innovative user interface. This has been a successful tactic for the iPod. Well see if it works for phones as well.
Damn! Having recently gone through the whole smartphone thing, the iPhone is amazing! Oh, and by the way, Treo, uh, its all over - Apple has just put you out of your misery
@ the person who said that the iPhone will use its own form of rosetta:
That is VERY unlikely, since phones that use ARM have a speed of 200-500Mhz-ish. Now, Rosetta is slow enough running on dual core processors, designed to take a good strain. An ARM would run programs so incredibly slowly that it would not be worth the hassle, even if it were feasible.
Lets be real people. Its not actually OSX as in you could take it and put it on a computer, its been ported, and jobs didn't mention any kind of word processing above notes or support for even ONE third party app (except google maps). He's got the interface and design right, but he needs to cut down the price drastically, add tons more business savvy features, more than any other phone and then it'll be the perfect phone. Asfor the touchscreen, it seems great now but as other people have mentioned, it gets scratched and dirty and can screw up easily and get cracked etc. Overall i dont think it'll be a flop, but like mac computers (until recent years) it'll be for the rich. Hopefull they'll bring it down from that place and make it available for the rest of us but until then, other phones will rule (like the cheaper non-mac computers always did, its changing though)
the phone looks slick, but man imagine the wear an tear complaints with a touch screen interface. Sometime buttons are just more durable and the iphone will prove that to be true. Watch and see.
I've probably spent to much of my day on this thing but i've noticed some things. 1-it appears to have far more computing power than is necessary to 'do' what it's sold to. 2-the project drove a wedge into the current cellular system- the industry sucks so it seems what they've had to do is totally get under the surface at the phone service provider (you can see this in the visual voicemail) and because of this the iPhone system will only work as designed with one provider, hence the exclusivity. More by necessity than greed. 3-it's not an overpriced apple plop, it is directly competitive if you keep in mind the workings of the mobile phone industry, you just can't introduce a first gen device at the same cost as long time suppliers. though it is far more expensive than most people who wanted an apple phone for the logo will be likely to stomach.
RIM taking a plunge? Where do you guys get your quotes? RIM's stocks are almost 5$ higher than at yesterday's closing. Same goes for Palm. Look at your Bloomberg people before saying things like that.
What's funny, looking back a few weeks later, is that the Apple stock has lost value over the last 3 months while both Palm and RiM have gained. In Palm's case a heafty 15 percent increase.
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Interesting that some here don't feel this is a big deal to MS, Palm, or other device providers.
The cost is substantial when compared to other phones. But perhaps not so much so if you think of it as a small portable computer with a persistent data/voice connection.
Finally *one* device to rule them all - I hope this finally allows me to stop lugging my ipod, phone, and PDA around. I anxiously await the usability / functionality reviews...
That graph is cute but means nothing if the iPhone lacks BB Connect and/or Goodlink support.
As a corporate user I'd love to have the iPhone as it would cut down on the number of gadgets I carry while traveling and it looks pretty slick and small compared to current Blackberry's and Treos. However, without my Goodlink it would defeat the purpose. People will not switch from BB Connect or Goodlink for Yahoo IMAP.
thank you for helping me check my portfolio
Bought some Apple stocks yesterday. I can now buy 2 iPhones with that profit.
this is a nice phone but i doubt it'll ever really do much in the enterprise.. the reason Blackberry and WM devices get deployed across an org is because they provide centralized management features that the IT team can use (i.e. decommission a phone from an admin tool remotely). They have a long way to reach the enterprise market but i doubt thats who they are marketing toward anyway...
Sure the Apple Phone is nice and all that but what happened to making a cell phone functional? I know way to many people that have purchased Blackberries, Treos and never use a third of the functionality. Also if I wanted to get an Apple Phone I'd have to get one without a camera due to alot of companies do not allow camera phones on site. Either way it will be interesting to see how this plays out.
Hi; I work at the Apple Store.
The iPhone runs on OsX. So In about 2 weeks there will be a page on the Apple's site open for developer software, shareware & Freeware, Widgets, etc. This phone is going to be the hottest thing. Basically you can run anything on this gadget except Classic Apps. This is a computer, Phone, PDA & iPod all in one. Running the Apps: Simply sync the phone with your Mac. Watch the Phone pop up as a hardrive on your desktop and Install your Apps into the phone. Adobe is working on special Apps at the moment. To run e-mail and internet u need A ".MAC" Account. The Phone comes Unlocked. The Phone does not work with Verizon at the moment because the have a contract with VCast.
Jamie - Thats not to smart anounching you work at an Apple Store. Comments like that get people fired.
If I remember from the keynote, you don't need .Mac to run e-mail; the mail service is provided through Yahoo (and likely Google later on, I suspect.)
To be honest, .Mac sucks even compared to free services that offer approximately free features.
Jamie... I'm pretty sure that the phone comes locked onto the Cingular Network (however its probably possible to get it unlocked) and I'm pretty sure that it wouldn't work on Verizon because it isn't the same technology, Verizon is CDMA and this phone has a GSM radio... their not compatible.
On the other hand this phone is pretty cool considering that it has a lot of features that aren't available from all its "competition" (like wifi and 8GB hard drive).
I don't think that RIM's pearl, Palm's Treo and Moto's Q have much to worry about. I don't think that they are appealing to the same consumers (even though there will be some that are caught in between).
Its a great phone but you know Apple, they generally do better the second time around. Eventhough I don't see much room for improvement, other than battery life and size (not that its big or anything, but you can never get too small (other than that stupid KRZR)), but that's because I haven't been able to test out the interface.
Palm is saying "Don't do it it's too sexy, don't do it!"
Too Funny! no, Too Sexy!!!
Battery life will be nonexistent. Mark my words.
The Cingular iPhone exclusive is enough to drive SPRINT right out of business ... I think the only advantage Sprint has right now for smartphone users is a lower data pricing model.
I HATE to have to switch providers, but WILL if there is no chance Sprint will ever have this phone.
My Name is not Jamie. Thats just my screename
That person who said — can you open PDF documents? — needs to learn a little about Mac OS X.
All 2D graphics are drawn using a technology called quartz, which is based on the PDF format.
It's why you can print to PDF from every application in Mac OS X.
@ Jamie_AppleNYC and all the other people who say that it running OS X means it can run OS X apps.
What you are forgetting is that this will NOT use an intel or PPC processor, it'll no doubt be an ARM processor, so the fact that it runs OS X is irrelevant, the processor won't support existing apps.
Also: I give it til about 4th July until linux is running on this thing.
Whoever was saying it won't be able to run apps because it will have an ARM processor...
Ever heard of rosetta?
This certainly looks nice, but you all who think you can run Mac OS apps on this - wake up.
It runs Mac OS X as in a special version of the OS X kernel, custom made for a mobile platform. It is so much more restricted when it comes to processing power, memory, graphics and what have you, compared to a "normal" computer that you can't really compare. It is also not running an x86 or PPC CPU so any app that is compatible with the minimalistic version of OS X will anyway have to be at least recompiled.
Also, the window manager and display manager, are for sure not the same as in the "PC" version of OS X. The user interface is a lot different from what it looks like, so any app that want to "fit in" with the pre-installed iPhone apps must have a remade UI. The UI is what makes this phone, but it also makes it harder to adapt existing apps.
If you think you can install your regular OS X apps in this, you are truly just kidding yourselves.
I am not saying that it won't be a hit, I think it will because it looks so cool, but from the looks of things, it does lack a number of important applications, especially for company use, but what is there has definitely a certain "flair" to them.
What apple needs are good office type applications that can sych with corporate systems like Exchange. They also need 3G (UMTS) capabilities, GPS and Mobile-TV, to be competitive, feature wise, with the other high end phone when it is actually time to start selling this device and if they want to sell it outside the US (it might be a novel thing for some, but the rest of the world is slightly larger than the US).
This phone does not match the current line up when it comes to features and will be even more behind when it starts to sell. What it does have is spectacular design and an innovative user interface. This has been a successful tactic for the iPod. Well see if it works for phones as well.
Damn!
Having recently gone through the whole smartphone thing, the iPhone is amazing! Oh, and by the way, Treo, uh, its all over - Apple has just put you out of your misery
@ the person who said that the iPhone will use its own form of rosetta:
That is VERY unlikely, since phones that use ARM have a speed of 200-500Mhz-ish. Now, Rosetta is slow enough running on dual core processors, designed to take a good strain. An ARM would run programs so incredibly slowly that it would not be worth the hassle, even if it were feasible.
Lets be real people. Its not actually OSX as in you could take it and put it on a computer, its been ported, and jobs didn't mention any kind of word processing above notes or support for even ONE third party app (except google maps). He's got the interface and design right, but he needs to cut down the price drastically, add tons more business savvy features, more than any other phone and then it'll be the perfect phone. Asfor the touchscreen, it seems great now but as other people have mentioned, it gets scratched and dirty and can screw up easily and get cracked etc. Overall i dont think it'll be a flop, but like mac computers (until recent years) it'll be for the rich. Hopefull they'll bring it down from that place and make it available for the rest of us but until then, other phones will rule (like the cheaper non-mac computers always did, its changing though)
the phone looks slick, but man imagine the wear an tear complaints with a touch screen interface. Sometime buttons are just more durable and the iphone will prove that to be true. Watch and see.
hell yeah, time to buy that palm stock!
I've probably spent to much of my day on this thing but i've noticed some things.
1-it appears to have far more computing power than is necessary to 'do' what it's sold to.
2-the project drove a wedge into the current cellular system- the industry sucks so it seems what they've had to do is totally get under the surface at the phone service provider (you can see this in the visual voicemail) and because of this the iPhone system will only work as designed with one provider, hence the exclusivity. More by necessity than greed.
3-it's not an overpriced apple plop, it is directly competitive if you keep in mind the workings of the mobile phone industry, you just can't introduce a first gen device at the same cost as long time suppliers.
though it is far more expensive than most people who wanted an apple phone for the logo will be likely to stomach.
and all those people complaining about scratches are a bunch of metro' nancy-boys
The "all-in-one" device is a dream. Will it manage my contacts efficiently or will it be better at playing video or games or will be a better camera?
And I can get a PSP/Nintendo Ds, an 30 GB IPOD and a real 3 mega-pixel camera for less than 600 bucks.
RIM taking a plunge? Where do you guys get your quotes? RIM's stocks are almost 5$ higher than at yesterday's closing. Same goes for Palm. Look at your Bloomberg people before saying things like that.
What's funny, looking back a few weeks later, is that the Apple stock has lost value over the last 3 months while both Palm and RiM have gained. In Palm's case a heafty 15 percent increase.
Yes, the game has changed.. Not!