Xbox 360 Elite vs. classic: the test

We tested the consoles with a Sharp 46D62U (46-inch) 1080p LCD and a 5.1 surround system -- we went HDMI vs component, since it's safe to assume the majority of people don't have VGA inputs on their HDTVs (including us). We played the first stage of Gears of War (on casual, so what?), and then plugged in our HD DVD drive and watched a few scenes from Batman Begins.
Console noise
We know how much you all wanted your Xbox 360 Elite to quiet down a bit, but we have some bad news for ya. As we heard from our sources who supplied us with much of our info about the Elite, unfortunately the noise level is about the same as before. It doesn't use the new 65nm chips, so it seems to require the same number of case fans.
The same is true of the disc drive. Our Elite and classic drives do sound different, and it's obvious they're not the same make or model. However, unfortunately, they're equally loud. Sorry guys, you're still going to have to put up with the same level of noise as before -- don't come looking to the Elite for something that sounds less like a shop-vac.
Heat
As we said before, these are using the old round of 90nm chips, not the 65nm variety. So it goes without saying that using the same chips as before, these things are going to produce the same amount of heat. We didn't run an 18 hour stress test or anything (obviously), but both units did feel about the same after an hour of playing games and movies, and they both felt like they were outputting about the same amount of heat.
HDMI 1080p vs component 1080p/i
We're going to be totally honest here, we hardly noticed a damn difference at all. We figured the best visual test would be playing in 1080p on both HDMI and component video, and we were right. What little difference we did notice, we noticed it with that test. In a couple of darker scenes in Gears there seemed to be a little more depth to the blacks (and a bit more distance detail because of it). But to tell you how subtle it was, we didn't even notice it until we literally started flipping back and forth as fast as we could. Fast motion, spinning, action, all the rest -- it looks almost identical on both consoles.
When watching an HD DVD in 1080p on HDMI and 1080i on component, we definitely didn't really notice anything different. The age old question though, right? Is 1080p actually noticeably different? Not to us, and probably not even if you have a 720p set -- assuming you're viewing on anything less than a massive, massive display. By the way, before you make any judgments about perceived visual quality based on our screen caps, please remember that those were taken with a regular camera, not pro screen capturing tools . In other words, what you may think is a big difference in quality may actually just be a small change in light metering or exposure. In other words, you'll kind of have to take our word for it when we say it looks almost identical.
Audio
We can now definitely confirm that despite its HDMI output, the Xbox 360 Elite still doesn't enable advanced codec support (like Dolby TrueHD). You still have the same three options as you had before: digital stereo, Dolby Digital 5.1, and DD with WMA Pro. When we played back an HD DVD with TrueHD audio (Batman Begins), it just stayed on DD5.1, nothing else happened. Bummer. But again, that's what we were expecting.
Other minor bits
We did notice that the front power button on the Elite console is much clickier than the squishy power button on our classic 360. Probably not enough clikiness to actually justify the purchase in and of itself, we'd imagine.
Also, the black controller is entirely matte, whereas the white controller is matte everywhere except the slick silver strip on the bottom. Since that bottom strip is where a couple of your fingers rest when holding the controller we found the entirely matte black controller slightly preferable.
We haven't yet checked out DVD upscaling, but that's on our list of thing sto do. Anything else you want to know or see? Leave us a comment.
Final thoughts
Basically, unless you are seriously eagle-eyed, have a massive friggin screen, or for whatever reason need to use HDMI because you're all out of component inputs, your investment in the first-gen Xbox 360 is probably safe. Do yourself a favor, just buy that 120GB drive if you need the space, the HDMI really just doesn't justify replacing your whole console for a new $480 unit. Then again, if you're truly "elite" then all the stuff we just said really doesn't matter, and you're probably gonna buy this thing anyway. Cheers, enjoy!


























so when is the 65nm chip xbox360 coming out?
Exactly my thoughts: when is the 65nm chip coming out?
i don't have any inside info so don't quote me but i would assume then if Microsoft comes out with a new 360 that has the new chips then they will come out with it 1 1/2/ to 2 years before the new Xbox "720" comes out i can assume this because that is what Sony has done with the ps1 and ps2 and although I'm not a Sony fan boy that makes sense to do that
What size was the TV used during the testing?
46-inch
Good. Being an early adopter isn't so bad after all (except that one time my 360 melted, but they sent me a new one).
Doubt they'd have changed this at all, but check for region lock (or the lack thereof)?
I don't have any foreign movies or games handy! Can you think of another way to test it?
Ryan,
Can I ask you where you are located?
Did this go through? Any ideas when the 65nm chip will be coming out?
San Francisco
Looks about a 42" from the picture ... I rock the SONY 60" SXRD XBR2 .. i wonder if it would look different with a bigger screen , also i cant run 1080P using component on my tv so HDMI is the only way to get that magical # 1080P
well, based upon the review, I can truly say that 1080p is just a hyped up standard that has me saying, "it'll be a cold day in hell before I get anything that requires the latest video standards within the next 5 years."
Just when I was getting upset I didn't wait!
Great overview! I'm definitely looking forward to the verdict on the std def DVD upscaling.
Did you idiots even read the damn article? He says it's a 46" in the second paragraph.
No, I'm not an idiot. Ryan added "46D62U (46-inch)" after the original posting.
crap. If they had thrown in the WiFi I'd say maybe but now I will get a PS3 when there are enough games. 3 skews, lame; sounds like it should have just replaced the premium and lost the basic.
Doesn't the hard drive allow them to sell more crap? The core requires you to buy a $40 memory card anyway. They probably should have made the whole thing "skinable" in the first place.
I own a Xbox 360 Premium (with all wireless accessories) and I own a PS3 60GB HDD.
After reading this, I am not as dissapointed that I bought my 360 right before the Elite was released.
PS3 is truly the better hardware while Xbox 360 just happens to be the best game machine right now due to its higher number of playable games.
I think PS3's graphics look better on my 1080p 50".
If you are deciding which way to go, I suggest you get the 360 thought since right now PS3 doesn't have many games.
agreed. If they just fixed the heat/noise and breaking issues and charged $100 more I would be happy. The 360 is by far the better gaming machine. Not just for the games but everything else it can do media wise far exceeds the PS3 and the Wii.
I feel like I'm limping through with the 360 because I expect it to break again any day. Both the Wii(I have one) and the PS3 hardware seem like much better designs. The PS3 just has no games. And with Forza 2 on preorder I might never look back to GT4/GT5. I originally bought a PS@ just to play GT.
lol and people say sony were robbing people, while MS is putting out a black xbox as something new.
When viewing a movie, the size of the TV shouldn't matter. With a 1080p display, viewing a movie originally shot at 24 fps, there's enough info in the 1080i signal that the display can reconstruct the original 1080p frames without any loss whatsoever, by removing the 3:2 pull-down.
You should see a difference when viewing video material shot at 60 fps, but anything at 30 fps or lower shouldn't be visible, assuming the TV knows what it's doing (and the Sharp LCDs probably do).
The only difference in quality that should be visible here is in the colours (especially the darks).
"When viewing a movie, the size of the TV shouldn't matter."
Ummm it does matter, a lot. Thats why it is a waste to have a 1080i/p set if it is less than ~50". Your eye just can't make out the extra detail provided when the set is smaller. You definitely notice resolution and quality differences more the bigger the screen is.
wait wait.. is engadget actually suggesting people to pay $180 for a 120GB of HDD??
That's even a bigger rip-off than NOT having BenQ DVD drive (quiter, less likely to destory your disc) and 65nm processor
Not necessarily- didn't they show how to NOT spend $180 for the drive a few days ago?
Sounds interesting, and I'm very surprised about the sound output levels. We own a 360 from a january 06 manufacture date. My friend own one from novemberish. His console itself is a LOT quieter, especially when on the dash. It is completely silent when mine produces some noise. His DVD-drive does sound different and is just as loud. I wish they would just get decend DVD-drives and slap 'em in. Couldn't be too much more expensive. I'd buy one then. Right now, I'm waiting for my console to die (its getting VERY close) then I'll just buy another, hopefully the 65 nm ones will be out by then.
The Xbox 360's drive sound isn't due to crappy hardware, it's due to the drive speed. The 360s drive throttles up to 16x speed while running games. All DVD drives are going to be loud at that speed. The sound is also a problem when the 360 needs to have venting holes all over to allow for airflow, but also makes the drive sound louder.
While sitting at the dashboard, the 360 is relatively quiet. And it's even quieter while playing a DVD.
maybe I should shove a bigger hard drive in my computer...then it will be ELITE! My computer will be better than anything else on the market!! The resale will skyrocket!! I am such a genius!!
I recently bought a new television and have not been impressed with 1080p at all. We've tried it on the PS3 and on the 360 (VGA), and it's really nothing to get excited about. 1080i is just fine.
I think the problem is that no matter how much people argue, the final resolution of one complete frame is still 1080 whether progressive or interlaced. There is a difference, but the minute difference hardly lives up to the hype.
Thanks Engadget; maybe I won't upgrade after all.
Why didn't you guys test on a 50 inch or larger since 1080p is not noticeable on anything smaller.
When using the HDMI output is it possible to select the native resolution of the screen? My tv is 1366x768, and I really want to use that, rather than going through a couple of scalers.
If anyone can tell you that they see a difference between 1080i and 1080p- they're either lying or they are watching television with their eyeballs so close to the screen that their nose leaves an oily mark. Seriously though- I have several HD televisions in my home, and I did a side by side comparison and I didn't see a single difference. I have 20/15 vision too. Anyone tells you that you NEED 1080p, probably also thinks you need the most expensive HDMI cable to go with it. If you have a 1080p television- no doubt you have the greatest that HD can offer, but I doubt you'd be able to pick out 1080i from 1080p in an comparison. And if you have Directv- it doesn't matter anyway because of how much compression they put into the signal.
Hook your PC up to your 1080P screen via VGA, DVI, or HDMI, whatever you prefer, then hook it up to a 720P screen. believe me, the difference is massive!!!
HD DVD/ Blu rAy movie viewing will never look any better, and as one of the people here said, that's because movies run at 24fps.
I played a regular DVD, then the same movie, but in blu-ray, and saw hardly any real difference. But when gaming, there's quite a big difference, textures go on further and are much nicer, there's alot less jaggies, and everything just looks nicer! comparing Gran tourismo HD in 720P vs 1080P and CS:S hooked up via DVI, 1280x720 vs 1920x1080.
Let me guess, your TV's inputs have separate video quality settings (brightness, contrast, etc). My TV's component looks much different than the DVI. Were the inputs settings set as closely to each other as possible?
From those screenshots, the HDMI does indeed look slightly better. Not much, but still better.
Does the 360 now support HDCP with the HDDVD drive?
Actually, larger screen size would be needed to compare 1080i to 1080p. The i is interlaced. So when you view 1080i on a 1080p set, you have to run the signal through a de-interlacer. The larger the screen, the more pronounced the visual artifacts resulting from this would be. A still shot of a fast-moving frame would probably be the best test, preferrably on a 1080p projector (not rear projection TV). The smaller the display, the more these artifacts get to hide.
The statement that 1080p is useless is just silly. It's twice the information. The thing to keep in mind is that current source material is generally upconverted to 1080p from something else. You're not going to notice a big difference between 720p and 1080p either if you're upconverting a 540p signal, but that doesn't mean there's not a big difference between 1080p and 720p. It's also a significant difference if you're talking about a computer display - computer folks have known for a LONG time that i vs. p is always different, and the p is always better. It's true that at some point, your eyes can't keep up, but it's not the i vs. p where that has effect, it's in the dpi + viewing distance.
What is true is that Xbox 360 games at 1080i vs. 1080p won't be a significant difference for most users. I'd say only those with 61" or better 1080p native screens will really notice. The HDMI connection is more of importance as it helps clean out the rats nest behind our components.
Very disappointed it doesn't have the new chip. Any new info on IPTV? Will IPTV require new hardware? How does the HD-DVD player compare to a dedicated player? I'm looking at the Xbox360 as a media hub that will work with my WMCE desktop. I want it to be an extender, HD-DVD player, gaming system and HD content provider (via Xbox Live downloads) .... and HOPEFULLY a DVR as well!
the power button is clicky on newed regular 360's too. I had a 360 from december 05 break and the replacement was from march 06 and had the clicky button.
I am really wondering on if the Elite will upconvert standard DVDs. Let me know when you do that test.
Well, the good thing about the article are the comments that showed me how ignorant people are when it comes to HDTV.
It seems like the hard drive is the only thing that's improved then. It still doesn't have WIFI though?
The only difference you are likely to see in HDMI video vs component video is with overly long cable runs where component is likely to get more noise introduced. I have about a 20 foot run and I definitely noticed when I switched my DVD player to HDMI.
It is a total failure as an imitation next gen system. Who wants a crippled hdmi port. The only advantage to hdmi over component performance wise is on the audio side. Not supporting uncompressed LPCM equates to leaving half the possible performance out of the equation. Poor design choice.
The ignorance level regarding HD Video is amazing.
Wow
I have to agree with this comment.
Before you guys start talking out of your ass about HD, I highly recommend doing just a little bit of research. Here is one article to start off with.
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_14_1/feature-article-1080p-3-2007-part-1.html
how can you transfer data from your old 360 to the elite?
"elite" means "matte black" in Eskimo. Something was lost in the translation and you thought it meant "way better"
The only thing I really care about right now is the upscaling of DVD's and how it compares to the Likes of Oppo.
why does the wall on the right in gears look so different in the first two pictures
meh the only difference is that the HDMI has a brighter image and a teeny bit clear and component is darker well by these images no big difrrence to me I'll keep my whit Xbox 360 but cant wait till may 21st my b-day and I get PS3 yea blu-ray (no fanboy i still got the HD-DVD add on for 360) and im guessing if they make a game HDMI based and not component it may look better who knows time will tell