Canada a hotbed of piracy?
By Donald Melanson 
posted May 1st 2007 9:35PM
posted May 1st 2007 9:35PM
Canada looks to have found itself on the bad side of Microsoft, Apple, and other members of the International Intellectual Property Alliance (IIPA), with the group charging that the country isn't doing its part to fight piracy of software, movies and other intellectual property, The Inquirer reports. To that end, the group recently took its demands all the way to the U.S. government, asking for Canada to be moved up to the list of top piracy offenders, which currently includes the likes of China and Russia. The U.S. decided to give Canada a break this time 'round, however, leaving the country in its current second tier position alongside Brazil, South Korea, Mexico, and a number of other countries. Not surprisingly, the IIPA were none to pleased with that decision, saying that Canada's weak enforcement of piracy "continues to cause great damage to legitimate rights holders, both of Canadian and US copyright products."
Yeah... you guys should all move here. No insane industry executives.
Hey, that's not cool, you make it sound like all of use go around pirating...
Joking Joking, it true that no one seems to be doing anything about it around here.
Now if you excuse me I must get back to teaching my grandmother how to use limewire XD
As though the savages in the north have mastered our electrick gadgetry and doodads! Poppycock, I say!
The only thing savage in North America is US foreign policy.
here's to our beloved American friends.
I have only 1 line for you "No MPAA, No RIAA here in Canada"
enough said. :)
Don't hold your breath. I have been contracted to run seminars for Canadian Gov agencies through out the month of August 2007. It appears that Canada has been backed into a position via public response to the deprivation to citizens rights regaurding film screenings, job loss and the detramental effect of piracy.
I am not American nor am I Canadian. It would seem Australians have been chosen as the better advantage. My knowledge of piracy is extensive as I work from the inside. projectw.org knows this only too well. So cockiness may be a little pre-mature. Make way for the MIAA. ;)
from wich South Park episode does this picture come?
I'll go download it right away
From Quebec, with love
I do believe it's from the South Park Movie:Bigger Longer and Uncut (which features the song Blame Canada).
I could be crazy though
OH boo farkin hoo. So we have sane copyright laws that don't treat us like criminals here, and allow us to share our purchases with our friends.
We also have a government that isn't entirely owned(yet) by lobbyists and corporations and does what is best for its citizens, and I sure as hell hope won't bow to this pantywaste wining brought on by a US government department that is clearly the media companies' bitch.
And you know what else? No one wants to watch these camcorder movies that we are so "famous" for providing the rest of the world(which I still doubt is all coming from Canada). The do not represent lost revenue, because anyone who watches them would not pay to watch it in the first place, or WILL pay so they can watch a decent version.
I sure hope our government does cave into this pathetic pressure tactic.
And you pay extra for blank discs because they assume you're going to infringe copyrights of a select few who eventually get those funds.
Yeah, I'd rather have a fighting chance; thanks, anyway.
Why do you have to go and badmouth the US government when it clearly ruled in opposition to the Intellectual Property Alliance's charges in this case?
If much of the worlds media came out of canada, it would be your governments problem dealing with these groups instead of ours, and positions would be reversed very quickly. Your point of view is most certainly shared by many in the US, there's no need for such silly insults.
" We also have a government that isn't entirely owned(yet) by lobbyists and corporations "
But Canada is owned by US. LOL
Seriously, if it wasn't for powerful neighbour
and natural resources, Canada is nothing.
I am Canadian btw.
It is indeed from the movie.
-Kris from New Brunswick
i buy all my dvds at the chinese dollar store
Fuzz, I live in Canada too, but that doesnt sound like my country in your description. We're America's bitch. Pressure is all that's required, we'll see something from Harper soon.
I sure hope not. I hate Harper, I wish the opposition would get some guts and get him out of there.
Harp is a minority government, Id doubt he'd risk moving a motion thru the house and risking election cause it makes the MPAA and RIAA "sad" cause taxing our CD+/-R's, Tapes, hard drives, mp3 players, minidisks, dvd+/-R's and others isn't QUITE enough money.
How many people in Colorado known where Canada is, seriously.
"round" does not need an apostrophe. It's just round.
Even when it's slang for "around?"
Well if it weren't for Canada's content rules forbidding me from accessing shows and movies on xbox live marketplace I might not have to go downloading things
As a Brit resident in Canada, my impression is that Harper is America's bitch, but the Canadians are most definitely not.
@FINITE
You may be right to a certain extent except that Canada's government is not controlled by lobbyists and big corporations.
Canada is a proper noun and as such is spelled with a capital. Oh, wait, maybe that was meant as an insult. My bad!
Guess what? Canadians already pay for our illegal downloading. That's right. It may come as a shock but we have to pay an extra tax on all blank media. All the revenue from that tax goes straight to the artists. I greatly prefer this system.
I must agree with the other posters no one wants to watch a shaky cam video.
P.S. Harper is a d--che bag and is only leading our country because, well... I don't really know actually.
THANK YOU! your the only other person i know of on the INTRAWEBZ thats knows about the tax!
and harp is leading cause of the sponsorship scandle, he was the only other alt, [unless your a separatist nut job] thats why he's only a minority government, thats what i was hoping for when I voted for him, he's just a time filler till the liberals change the party around.
I'm still ticked about GST,damn Mulroney
I was actually expecting to see canada at the top of the list but was shocked when I did it. Man... people around here take soo much for granted... People are shocked when I tell them that I pay for my music.
I live in Canada and tend to try things out before I buy, like Videogames. Halflife 2? tried it, bought it. Battlefield 1942? tried it then bought it. Elder Scrolls 4: Oblivion? tried it then bought it.
There are lots of other games I've tried over the years and haven't bought, but that's because after a day or 2 I got bored with it so it wasn't worth it and I didn't waste any money.
I paid the $350ca for Windows Vista Ultimate Upgrade and even think that is way too much money. I'm just glad it acts like the full version so I didn't have to buy the full version :P
This just shows how close we are to Corporations taking over the world. Governments must be on the way out...And then the US government thinking they can go around telling other countries how to run themselves...
The Corporations already rule America, and therefore at least influence the rest of the world.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=lobbyist
lol @ Penguin Warlord about Harper comment. Its so true. I hope we have an election soon so we can dump this crap. Canada just doesn't feel right when we have a conservative leader.
Anyway, back to the subject. Our laws rock.
Ya I know how you feel. I'm so sick of having the lower GST, the Government not trying to make a National Day Care service when we can't afford our Health Care services, ridicules Gun Registration programs and I haven't heard about a good RCMP investigation into the Liberals in a while. Oh YES, Please bring the Librals back in power I have to much extra money to spend on gagets like a the 50" Plasma in my living room. We need more Socialist programs to raise my taxes!
right, fyi, the Conservatives are making a National Day Care just like the Liberals were trying to do...because it works and people want it. Gun Registration is, I agree way overbudget, but it works...otherwise it would have been shut down completely by now and there would not be large groups fighting for it. And the people who were being investigated are no longer part of the Liberals. I don't get how you are clearly willing to sacrifice the safety of our environmental resources...in fact the safety of our environment completely, as well as a whole bunch of money going to Afghanistan (wait...thats sooo much better than social security programs)so that you can have a new TV. I'm sorry to rant, but I just do not understand this. And btw, taxes is what makes Canada what it is. We pay them, we get services that Americans don't (i.e. Health Care), and besides...they lowered the tax ONE percent so now its just harder to calculate in your head. /rant
if we're all in such a consensus about downloading content, why don't we do something about it?
write your congressman or congresswoman and demand modern copyright law that favors the consumer.
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I'm proud to be a canadian pirate! ARRRRrrrrr
Yup, proud to be Canadian.
The Canadian government does not believe downloading is piracy. pirating by definition is the actual theft and uploading of material. This is why the piracy warning was changed/removed in all Canadian theaters as it was not the official position of out government. As to why we are critical of the US government even after "letting us off" is because they still regard us as #2 ranked pirates!
The actual people guilty of piracy is the production execs who send out dvd quality screeners to every joe blow who says he is a movie critic. Oh and the little chinese guy with the webcam! can't forget him!
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Someone registered that domain name I see.
Anyway..yes Canada believes in fair use of our own stuff. If you download anything legally from iTunes you can only play it on Apple equipment...which is a total crock. Of course you can get a copy of Tunebite and strip the DRM off.
But junk like this ( and really crappy CD"s with one decent song and the rest filler) is not helping the business.
Since we pay extra tax on blank CD's and the cash goes to artists, I don't feel bad at all about using Limewire.
Not only did the headline make me laugh but grouping Canada with the likes of China and Russia is absolutely classic. AHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
it's ridiculous to group China with the likes of Canada and Russia. as a matter of fact, China has prepaid the copyright charges by sharing its proprietaries with the whole world for free during the past thousands of years...
Before the US points their fingers at Canada for supposed failure to act on copywrite laws, they should perhaps look at their own history of not paying UN dues, ignoring WTO rulings and industry subsidization which impoverishes entire countries. And please do not get me started on oil. Weapons of what destruction now? Especially when George W veto'd the end of war bill today.
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F*CK the RIAA, MPAA and IIPA... and pretty much every other organization with 4 capital letters ending in an 'A'. That includes PETA.
I'm basically just like ScaryFast, except with a touch more pirating, especially if it's for something like partition magic, which I will only ever use once, and less Vista.
On another note, My new favourite Hex number is 09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
Just to clarify a few things..
1) The Digital Media Copyright Levy does not apply to DVD blanks, nor does it apply to hard drives.
2) It does, however, apply to music CDs. In exchange for the levy, we got Bill C-43 section 68 and 80, which makes completely legal the copying of any audio CD - even if you do not own it.
3) Bill C-42 section 42 clearly defines what kinds of copying of copyrighted works are NOT illegal: specifically, when a work is copies and theres is (a) no FINANCIAL gain (very important that), and (b) the value of the original work is not diminshed signficantly (which, by the way, is why *uploading* is illegal while downloading is not).
Most Americans don't know that there's almost exactly the same clauses in the US Copyright Act - Title 15, section 506.
4) Piracy in almost any use refers not simply to the taking of property (we have a word for that - 'Theft') but rather the taking of property with intent to resell. People who copy DVDs and sell them are pirates. People who copy DVDs for personal use are not. In Canada, People who copy CDs or DVDs for personal use aren't even criminals.
5) The Liberal government's Copyright Board has long leaned towards the citizen over business. There's good reason Harper's pro-business, pro-America stance would encourage him to change this - fortunately, we have a minority government at the moment.
For our two-party American friends - Canada has many political parties - currently four hold nearly all of the seats. We don't have a position equivalent to the President - the Prime Minister is the closest position, but it's not specifically elected. The PM is the leader of the party with the most seats. Other than that, he's just another MP. For example - we don't need impeachment laws... and if he loses the position of leader of the majority party, he would cease to be PM.
Currently, no one party has more seats than all the other parties combined, so the Conservatives, who have the most seats are the official government, if they try to table a bill that's unpopular, the other parties can vote together against it and the bill dies. That means that all of the parties have to cooperate with each other and play nicely.
6) It's "copyright" as in "the right to copy" not "copywrite" which is someone who writes copy for advertisements.
7) Contrary to what a lot of people seem to think, copyrights were never intended to be an absolute protection. They were intended to give creators a monopoly in order to give them a way to live and of limited duration and scope to encourage them to make new works.
Unfortunately, the creators have come to assume they have unlimited rights and that the world owes them such.
Fortunately, so far, the Copyright Board of Canada disagrees.
Go us. :)
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@ Danny
Ya, things are getting worse with Harper. At least Cretien(who I really detested) had the balls to stand up to GW and tell him where to go when he wanted us to join the "coalition of the willing". With us or against us? How 'bout neither, we won't play your stinkin' game. Unfortunately Harper is a giant douche.
For god sake, Just give me us a good reason to buy it, instead of just trying to arrest us!
I like apples strategy of making their new OS NOT cost $500.00 to upgrade to.
Karen
You are what is wrong with Canada and most places for that matter. You are a selfish Conservative who does not believe that everyone deserves equal treatment.
Instead of thinking about yourself why don't you think about that newly immigrated family that lives in the part of town that you won't go to. The dad has a PhD but it isn't recognized here so both he and his wife are working three jobs just to put food on the table for their children. Now what happens if one of them gets sick? Well if they live in the states the family either goes broke and becomes homeless trying to pay for treatment or that person dies. If they live in Canada they just pop on over to the nearest hospital, get free treatment and continue their lives as usual.
So the next time you feel like posting something that's that selfish why don't you stop and think about what we teach are children everyday, - sharing.
What do you mean? Conservatives canceled the income tax reduction that the Liberals put in place. All the economists agree that the Liberal tax cut gave more money back than the GST cut. I once thought the liberals were the worst thing to happen to Canada, but once Harper got in, I knew I was way off. His conservative, Bush loving policies are screwing us, destroying our world image and costing us money. All he does is throw money at Quebec and anyone else he can buy votes from in Ontario, while screwing over the rest of the country because he knows there aren't enough votes anywhere else to matter. He sucks. Period.
Thank God for our krazy kanuk neighbors! I love how you guys managed to drive DirectTV nuts.
(1) DirectTV is not allowed to be sold in Canada (I don't know why... but that is besides the point).
(2) Some smart Canadians started selling "blue cards" to Americans via mail. The blue cards allowed Americans to receive DirectTV without a subscription.
(3) DirectTV goes ape s**t and demands that the Canadian blue card vendors be prosecuted for theft of services.
(4) Canadian court rules that since DirectTV can not be had in Canada, owning a blue card can not be illegal.
(5) DirectTV send home to go pound sand.
You're right. Stealing is so great. Thank goodness for the Canadians allowing us to steal from DirectTV. How dare DirectTV pay to put a satellite in orbit to beam programming to customers and then ask those customers to pay for the service.
Penguin, I felt it was important to second you on your statement about Karen.
Nearly all of her comments left me with the same impression as the one you stated above. Karen, your favoritism for your big screen TV over the well being and prosperity of your people is gaddamn repugnant. Fug world so long as you got your crappy gadgets, right? People like you should be excluded from all social benefits our country collective offers. When shjt breaks down (and it will) you can hump your big screen for warmth, shelter and security and your childre can strip it for parts to fund their education. Stop kidding yourself, just go back to Idaho, will you?
Penguin Warlord and anyone else...
Re-read what I wrote. I never said I was a Conservative. Party politics is just as bad as fanboys and anti-fanboys we see on this site all the time. Party Politics fracture the govenment which leads to less being done. Have we met before because some of you have jumped to all sorts of conclusion about me. I did post about the money issues with the liberal because it was the first thing that came to my mind about their mismanagement. I do care about more things then money...the environment, education, healthcare, and every other issue as important including immigration... I do believe Harper's government hasn't done well in a lot of the issues. It takes money to fix problems like education to see people asking for the last government to come back to power when they missmanaged last time frustrates me. We need Leaders not party politics.
I'm sure that the number of online thieves will go down as soon as Canadians have a legit method of getting content online. As soon as the Canadian iTunes Store starts selling TV shows and movies, I'm going on a spending spree.
Avast ye scurvy dogs.
Harper is in power because the liberals became so corrupt that they blatantly stole money, tried to whitewash the books and made their voters look like fools.
You all talk about how much you hate Harper but he seems like a pretty decent fellow. Unlike your previous two PM's that were total ball less monkeys that followed the orders of Maurice Strong http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_Strong
Ha, and Canada is the cheapest place in the world to get an Ipod too.
When you tell people in Canada that you purchased a cd they will all respond with the same answer why? I dont buy much music but i do buy a lot of games and movies, and from what I can tell the same is true of most people. They buy games, and many people rent movies and burn a copy for themselves which is not entirely piracy. As previously stated cam version of movies are for people who would not have paid to watch the movie in the first place or who have already seen it in theaters and want to watch it again.
wow, yes I'm so happy to have an extra 1 or 2 pennies in my pocket, speaking of socialists which government is working hand in hand with the NDP :O, I hate party hacks that come up with the lamest arguments.......Ok now that I have that off my chest, yeah its pretty sweet to be a Canadian and as for American pressure I think the damage is done, Canada will pretty much remain a hot bed for piracy. Without the recording industry being able to get access to who owns certain IP addresses, they basically can't do anything. And I could be wrong but this is a Charter right ( the right to privacy) which could only be overturned with a notwithstanding vote which are rarely used as they are really unpopular.
Nice backpedaling there. What you "got off your chest" downright contradicts your previous statements. You've made it clear that you'd prefer those pennies to go towards buying you useless tech junk over feeding your own starving people. You basically bitched about *having* to contribute. Your amendment to these claims is laughable. Typical apologetic concervative pattern. FK-U.
@Loonie
DING DING DING!
Where there's pot, there's piracy. It's the gateway drug dontcha know.
Canada, leader of indoor hydroponics.
uh.... it was sarcasm ( I'm horribly unimpressed by the GST cut) and if you've taken a stockpile of my few and very sparse comments on this board and put them all together you've taken them out of context..... and that is sort of stalkerish. Although I don't remember speaking against doing my part, perhaps I was bitching about being so broke. I love my tech toys, I would never deny that. Being a student I get sad that I have no cash for them. But I'm not against doing our part,the first world is behind on helping out third world countries and it will probably bite us in the ass one day...Oh and FK-U too ass hat.I'm equal opportunity I hate hacks on both sides.
Well, I have been saying this all along. In the US, I miss my show on ABC I go online to abc.com and hey there it is. In Canada, I go to abc.com and it says this content is restricted to US users only. I go the lovely site of Canadian channel global and I am able to download the latest episode of Deal Or No Deal...God forbid I miss the climactic season finale of that! Or in Canada I downloaded and iTunes and bought the video IPOD :D...wow what a great way to enjoy my shows but wait a minute I am in Canada all that I can download are lame music videos instead of movies and shows yet again. So my next option given that the supply is not available for my demand I go to the lovely torrent sites and low and behold all of those shows and movies at my fingertips. We in Canada tried and I know many of us here to do it the legal way because to be honest I would rather pay up than wait for my show to download and enjoy it right then and there. Until then, we download away and pirate away because there is no other way...eh!
Re Karen's comments and the bashers.
Some of the comments may have been overly "conservative" but IMO, it's nothing compared to the brain-dead Canadians who continue to vote back in the Liberals.
Politically, I've always been a little right of centre so do not like the loony left (NDP or worse) or the rabid right (ultra conservative). The Liberals are just opportunists who ride the fence and say whatever will get them re-elected. (*** I agree with some/many social programs (ie, universal health care, social assistance, etc,) but against universal day care, so I'm not a "hard hearted capitalist")
Before the mindless Conservative bashing, remember back to the Trudeau years up to today...
- the Liberals (Trudeau), the "Father" of deficit spending and debt while buying gullible, stupid Canadians off with their own money
- lied to continuously (remember "wage & price" controls and Trudeau's outright lie not to impose; gas tax increase (Clarke Conservatives lost non-confidence vote only to have the Libs, once in, raise it even higher)
- tricked and lied to Canadians re abolishing the death penalty. Got rid of the death penalty but promised "life means life" only to sneak in the faint hope clause (Warren Allmand) that release "lifers" well before the end of that so-called life sentence... which leads to
- the namby-pamby judicial system that's a joke filled with "liberal"-leaning judges (making the Liberals hypocrites for dissing Harper's plan to choose judges... ie, at least has input of law enforcement, not strictly party patronage)
- farce of an immigration system (too many illegals (also gone missing) while legitimates have trouble... many immigrants tend to vote Liberal... hmmm)
- joke of a military due to Liberal mis-management, incompetence and homicidal negligence (ie, dangerous, outdated equipment (deadly Sea Kings)) compounded by Chretien's political cancellation of much needed new helicopters costing taxpayers hundreds of millions (into the billions?) of penalty dollars for canceled contracts
- sponsorship scandal amongst decades of other billion dollar Liberal boondoggles and scandals
So yes, the Conservatives can be criticized for many things but to say the Liberals are better after decades (lots of practice) of sleaze and incompetence is totally specious, disingenuous and delusional.
But a majority of Canadians like to be babied and conned with their own money so expect to see the Liberals (the historical disaster they are) soon back in power.
Supposedly, we learn from our mistakes (not Canadians) and those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it (definitely Canadians).
Heaven help Canada when the Liberals get back in.
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I can't speak to the RIAA part of it, but if the MPAA has such a problem with Canada's behavior, why don't they stop producing every 3rd film there and pumping millions of dollars into their economy?
Apparently they aren't THAT offended by the Canadian behavior.
Harper and Mark Steyn are the only good things to come out of Canada in the last 30 years. Just because you're a bunch of pussies that don't have an army and love socialism doesn't give you the right to steal American copyrighted material. Now quit you're whining and stop coming down here if you don't like being America's "bitch". Sheez, you can't even stop using American urban vernacular. I can't turn around down here without running into some half-witted canuck trying to escape the cold.
@tdetmer
We don't want to come, "down there". That's the whole point. If Harper was PM when the current Iraq debacle commenced, we would currently be knee deep in your problems.
Sure you don't want to come down here. ;-) I'll bet you're probably posting from the US right now.
As for not wanting to be in "our mess", of course you don't. That's par for the course. Let America handle all of the security issues while you sit around and reap the benefits. Works for Europe and Canada. America is a sucker for being in NATO.
(thinking to myself, up here in Canada) "Sit on the hands before replying, sit on the hands".
"Let America handle all of the security issues while you sit around and reap the benefits."
Don't go there.
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Blame Canada, Blame Canada
I am the first person to say that the MPAA and RIAA go nuts
But it is true that a gigantic percentage of pirated discs come in through Canada, specifically Vancouver, partially because of laxer Canadian laws.
@tdetmer
Your country needs to cut back on guns or crazy people. I'm thinking guns would be easier.
Anyone ever hear that Harvard and Columbia have a big rivalry going on?
Neither did Harvard.
Canada is a wart on our collective ass. Without us they would either be completely different or would not exist. To crow about how wonderful Canada is re: the US is EXACTLY like crowing about how wonderful some leafy green suburb is compared to the city it's SUB to.
It's people like you that gives Americans a bad rap.
Comparing Canada to a suburb, are you Bill O'Reilly by any chance? (not a compliment). This is the kind of thinking that causes America to be ranked near the bottom of the list with North Korea while Canada is in the top five. Oh wait you haven't heard of this list, well it's a ranking of people's impressions of other countries. Canada is top 5 while the states is in the bottom 5. how surprising.
And I can't believe that you just bashed Pierre Trudeau. What a cheap shot. He was the most beloved PM and you go and bash him but guess what he introduced that you are taking for granted right now? A little something called the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. To our American brethren who don't know what this is, (I still you call brethren besides some of the nonsensical name calling) the Charter is like your Bill of Rights except that ours cannot be changed by a quick vote in parliament. To change the charter you have to have a vote where atleast 7 provinces representing 50% of the population agree to the change. This is why we don't have any "Homeland Security" crap and our freedoms are protected. So before you go bashing Trudeau why don't you think about that for a second. Even if everything you said was true then he was still worth it just for that contribution.
Well the EU is passing a law stating it's OK to pirate ANYTHING for PERSONAL NON-PROFIT use. 3 cheers for the EU! \o/
@Zeke
Chretien was good. He spent a lot of time forming relationships with countries like China. Of course, Harper ruined years of his work in about 5 minutes. But ya, Martin was useless.
Canada is the world's most boring country. It is full of shemales and ugly women. If they steal our property we can take out their entire Navy with a couple of bass fishing boats. A couple M1 tanks and a few Apaches in Ottawa and we'd own that pathetic patch of ice called Can-a-duh!
Quote: "Canada is the world's most boring country. It is full of shemales and ugly women. If they steal our property we can take out their entire Navy with a couple of bass fishing boats. A couple M1 tanks and a few Apaches in Ottawa and we'd own that pathetic patch of ice called Can-a-duh!"
Wtf?!? Was this supposed to be funny?
Anyway, back to the subject at hand. I don't believe that having lax laws changes much. If I person wants to pirate, or doesn't have the money not to then they will...not matter how many laws there are surrounding such an action.
Hmm... can you think of any reasons for us to be unpopular that have to do with something other than actual merit? Ever heard of 'hegemony'? do you like it? I wouldn't think you would. I don't think anyone does, including a lot of people in the US. But it's the reality of the world. We're big, we're rich, we're innovative. We lead. Speaking as a Tennesseean, I think I know how you feel about it - the US is to the world as California is to the US, and it drives me nuts. I don't want to be led by California. But I am. They're big, they're rich, they're innovative.
And Canada most certainly IS like a suburb. Do you really not see it? Bless your heart.
Blame Canada! ;)
cry babies.