
Well they're no OLPCs -- heck, they're not even as cheap as
some Dell systems that you can buy in China -- but Venezuela has finally begun rolling out its
long-promised,
domestically-produced computers in a move designed to give the South American country more technological independence. Consisting of four models (three not-ugly desktops and a laptop) ranging from a relatively inexpensive $405 to a "did Sony make this one?" $1,400, the machines all run an unspecified Linux distro powered by 1.5GHz to 3.0GHz Pentium IVs (desktops) or a pretty high-end 2.0GHz Core 2 Duo processor (notebook). Santa Chavez and his revolutionary elves have apparently been handing these out like candy to domestic interests since last year, and are now in the process of ramping up the scope and scale of production so that more components can be produced in-house while sales channels become international. These so-called "Bolivarian Computers" are currently being manufactured by a joint venture between the Venezuelan Ministry of Light Industry and Commerce and Chinese company Lang Chao's Venezuela de Industria Tecnológica, with the latter company apparently unafraid of getting nationalized like so many of its colleagues.
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Ian @ Jun 18th 2007 6:30PM
I heart Chavez! He can do little wrong
Howard_is_going_down @ Jun 18th 2007 7:05PM
Another Scam...
He is KILLING FREE SPEECH in Venezuela.
You REALLY think he is not going to CRIPPLE these
systems?
acidscan @ Jun 18th 2007 7:13PM
Prison for all tirans ! They try to disguise the hunger and lack of freedom with things like this. Venezuela and Cuba need food and freedom not computers.
roccofreshy @ Jun 18th 2007 8:00PM
I'm latinamerican, and can tell you that this is something important. You consider the latinamerican countries as places where ALL the people are starving and thats not correct. Of course there are people in poverty, but there are also middle class, that needs to be bigger. When you have a big middle class your country grows, and even the poor benefit from it. All the country will be more competitive, and all the people benefit from that. And gives a chance to the latinamerican countries to compete with more industrialized countries. Giving them food and don't helping them progress doesn't help them. Of course some people prefer that. You don't want a new India in Latinamerica that could take jobs from more industrialized countries.
And don't compare Venezuela to Cuba. They are 2 completely different situations, but both dictators are friends and have a common agenda. If you think they are the same, then you have no idea of Latinamerica and you are only hearing the propaganda of your country (I still think he is a dictator, as many of the ones the USA helped during the 70s because it was in their interests, but don't like him, but I hate when someone exaggerates because of their own interests).
acidscan @ Jun 19th 2007 6:50PM
roccofreshy: I'm Cuban, I know VERY well the tirans, I was persecuted, I was interrogated, I was put in a cool room and lot of water was given to me during the "interview" (imagine the consequences), all this only for having my very own point of view (kind of different at the official point of view). Don't tell me I don't know tirans.
There is NO middle class in socialism or communism, only the state and the people, which ALL are the same. All Venezuelans like to say they are not the same as cuba. In the 60's all cubans use to say: "Cuba is not like Rusia", just remember that.
Jose @ Jun 18th 2007 7:46PM
That´s lame. I bought in Caracas a 3.0Ghz Pentium D, 19" lcd and printer for almost $800.
Stephan @ Jun 18th 2007 7:37PM
Of course Chavez can do little wrong he controls the media, most companies, the congress, etc. Best pals Fidel Castro, Kim Jong-il, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad all agree on the devil. Starvation and oppression is not a problem at all in those aligned countries, and their economies are flourshing oh wait....
At least now the poor hungry Venezulans can go online and look at pictures of people eating food.
abe77 @ Jun 18th 2007 7:43PM
i wouldn't be surprise if they had listening devices or some kind of spy software in them.
Phred @ Jun 18th 2007 7:44PM
"designed to give the South American country more technological independence" - So they are making their own CPUs, memory, hard drives, motherboards etc...? I don't think so.
anon @ Jun 18th 2007 7:48PM
playing with statistics...
"The price of other similar brands is US$ 930, and the price of our computer is US$ 690, almost 40% less,"
930-690 = 240
240 of 930 is 25.8%
240 or 690 is 34.8%
1. typically, one would say $690 is ~26% less than $930, as the original is generally used as the baseline. Although it could be phrased as $930 is ~35% more than $690.
2. I don't see how you can stretch 34.8% as "almost 40%", unless you go 34.8 -> 35 -> 40
noolvidaremos @ Jun 19th 2007 2:30PM
I am not oppose to the modernization of a country, but this is clearly one way to make propaganda (grey propaganda). here is an open invitation to all the americans who think chavez is a good guy and that the american goverment is bad:
Open Letter.
Which are our diferences?
You´re American, I´m Venezuelan.
You live in USA. I live in Venezuela.
You know American Goverment. I know Venezuela Goverment.
You like Venezuelan Goverment. I don´t like Venezuelan Goverment.
My proposal:
You should Move to Venezuela for 1 year living like a Venezuelan, I would like to move to USA and live for 1 year and live like an American.
Diferences?
This are You´re You´re rights living like a Venezuela citizen:
You have the right to be victim of crime
You have the right to be beated if critizcs the goverment instead of Chavez supporters
You have the right to be called "escualido" if You´re not Chavez supporter
You have the right to go to "Perez de Leon Hospital" and buy medicines by Yourself, right from Your poor pocket
You have the right to wait for 1 year and buy a brand new cheap car
You have the right to eat meat, as soon You could find some
You have the right to drink all milk You want, as soon You could find it
You have the right to work as a goverment employee, only if You´re are or simulate being a Chavez supporter.
You have the right say wharever You want, but be carefully talking zh1t of goverment close to "Esquina Caliente" in Caracas Downtown.
You have the right to see any tv program You want it, only if our President is not talking bullshit as he uses to in all tv chanells and saying stupid jokes.
This terror movie saga, we call it "Cadenas".
You have the right to dream having a new home, and save as much money You can like a rat race behind inflation.
You have the right to get help from goverment, as soon You wear a red shirt, say Chavez is on earth and perfect almost a living saint, and You hate
Americans and American Empire.
You have more rights, but You will know them as soon You stay here like a Venezuelan(as matter a fact, like a poor Venezuelan).
Now You know some reasons i don´t like Venezuelan Goverment, I wish I could have the oportunity to know Your Government better and I would like to know if I like the American Goverment as You like Venezuelan Goverment.
I´m sorry my bad English, i could improve it when i could work there and earn enough money for paying english studing.
Sean O @ Jun 19th 2007 2:43AM
I don't believe for a split second you are from Venezuala.
Your attempt at bad English is a joke. Perfect English, except you leave out a preposition once in a while for effect and you capitalized a few non-pronouns in mid-sentence (is your spanish Also that bad?).
You're also accusing Americans on this blog of supporting Chavez. Which poster did that? Where is the pro-Chavez comment prior to your post? That's right. There isn't one. You probably copied and pasted the whole thing from another board because you saw Chavez's name come up somewhere.
Its funny how your username is the name of site which promotes anti-Chavez propaganda. Clearly you scour the internet, find his name, and copy and paste this type of thing.
What city are you from? Say something in Spanish that wasn't fed through Babelfish. Because I doubt you even speak Spanish. Even if you do, you are just someone with a biased agenda. And your agenda has a LOT of big money behind it. A lot. So people should take anything like this that you hear with a grain of salt.
I hate Chavez too. Yeah, he's turning into a nut. But the obsession you right-wing wackos have over him is pathetic. You pretend to hate him because he's an evil dictator. You really hate him because he's a leftist who speaks out against the US. That's all you really care about. You only hate left-wing dictators. The rest, you could care less about.
Why aren't you also speaking out against Islam Karimov, Omar al-Bashir, Than Shwe, Robert Mugabe, Saparmurat Niyazov, Teodoro Obiang Nguema, or frickin King Abdullah? Have you even heard of any of those guys?
Chavez is NOTHING compared to those guys. Nothing. On a "dictatorial" scale from 1 to 10, 1 being Putin and 10 being Hitler - Chavez is probably a 2. If that. Remember, the guy was elected in a democracy. And he wouldn't be this nutty if the US hadn't tampered with another country's democratic process by trying to overthrow him.
I'm not Venezuelan so I don't get to vote there. If I did, I'd vote for someone else. But I don't get to. I get to vote here. So other Americans like myself should pay attention to the kinds of policies WE have when it comes to other interfering with other sovereign democracies who pose no threat to us other than the bank accounts of a few billionaires.
noolvidaremos @ Jun 19th 2007 6:39AM
@Sean O
Soy mas criollo que arrecostarlo en el metro o un asquerosito de chacaito.
"You're also accusing Americans on this blog of supporting Chavez. Which poster did that? Where is the pro-Chavez comment prior to your post? That's right. There isn't one. You probably copied and pasted the whole thing from another board because you saw Chavez's name come up somewhere."
No, im not accusing anyone, i invitig all americans who think that chavez is good, please take your time and read my post, the fistr line i clearly state:
" here is an open invitation to all the americans who think chavez is a good guy and that the american goverment is bad:"
I will not loose time answering you if you do not know how to read or have the "malicia" of turning my words in to something that i did not said.
panoslianos @ Jun 20th 2007 6:39AM
About his closing down the TV station.
I wonder if the US government would close down a TV station belonging to a group that tried to overthrow the white house?
Xee @ Jun 18th 2007 11:20PM
The amount of ignorance here is amazing.
Most people don't know that RCTV was originally focused on entertainment. Not until Chavez was elected in 1998 did they suddenly shift their programming to one objective: ousting a democratically-elected president (an election that was monitored closely by Jimmy Carter's organization and many other foreign observers). Two days before the coup attempt in 2002, RCTV ran constant coverage of a strike aimed at ousting Chavez. Their commentators delivered nothing but blistering criticism of him and didn't allow any response from the government. This programming was only interspersed with adverts for a march to be held against the government. When that march was held, it was awarded blanket coverage; and when violence erupted because of it, "live" footage blamed the resulting deaths and injuries on Chavez supporters (the aired footage was later shown to be doctored). The news director for RCTV at the time, Andres Izarra, later testified that the orders from his superiors at the station had been to air no pro-Chavez media with the intended effect of creating a "climate of transition." Only when Chavez was removed from government temporarily and thousands of people took the the streets in protest of the coup, did RCTV see fit to go back to their original, pre-Chavez format: they gave no coverage of the protests and instead aired nothing but cartoons, soap operas and old movies. Days later when Chavez was reinstated, they forbid any of the reporters from reporting the fact, leaving all of their audience in the dark as to the state of their government. Amazingly enough, Chavez sought out no retribution against his ousters and allowed RCTV to continue their broadcasting.
Finally, Chavez did not "shut down" RCTV, he merely refused to renew it's broadcasting license because they didn't meet public-interest standards. This would be the same as a US station failing to meet the criteria of the US Federal Communications Commission. This action only prohibits RCTV from broadcasting on public airwaves; it is still free to broadcast over cable, satellite and the internet. Why people are crying over this, I can't understand. Suppose ABC news aided an attempted coup that resulted in civil unrest and even death, do you think their license would be renewed, let alone be allowed to continue broadcasting for 5 years? Please.
Celia Marcano @ Jun 19th 2007 10:17AM
Yes, Chavez and his whatever reason to shut down RCTV, but what about taking all of the equipment, and the location? It was a private channel, if you don't want to renew the license don't do it, but why take everything? Are Venezuelans entitled to get Chavez off the government when in April 11 he started one of his "cadenas" while people where getting killed by the hands of "chavistas" and members of the government? Get a grip, this is no Democracy.
nicolas rudloff @ Jun 19th 2007 10:36AM
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Celia Marcano @ Jun 19th 2007 10:18AM
It still amazes me how everyone thinks "OMG Chavez is so good to Venezuela, he's giving opportunities to the "people" and now he is offering computers and cheap cars and cheap food blah blah blah" or in the other side "OMG Bush is 100 times worse than Chavez."
Let me tell you something, I am a Venezuelan, lived all my life there and there's nothing worst than watching your country go down hill so fast, you see how everyone is allowed to do whatever they want because the president allows it. If you don't have a home, you have the "right" to steal a house, a terrain, a building in construction. If you steal it's great because authorities don't do anything to prohibit it, if you kill someone no one says anything as long as you're with the government.
Venezuelans DON'T need computers, venezuelans need guidance, a job, a home and education, not "small business loans", crappy education in all those "programs" where you supposedly graduate from school in months. Venezuelans DON'T need a president that's looking to incite violence, that is willing to tell "chavistas" to defend the government at any cost with weapons provided by him. And the "chavistas" are the ones that need to wake up. Yes, now you have all that money provided by Chavez, but at what cost??? Who are you willing to steal from for that money??? and please don't come with the story that he was democratically elected because you know that "La Oposicion" is there and we are not staying still until Venezuela gets the freedom it deserves. Where are your ten millions???.
How can you say that Chavez is not all that bad when Venezuelans can't find everyday items (meat, chicken, sugar) in supermarkets, where inflation is going through the roof and if you want something... good luck with that. Where if you don't believe in the government you live in fear that you might loose your job, your house, your freedom. No one deserves to live like that. And please don't compare Bush to Chavez, I know that Bush has quite a reputation and that it is really different what I might feel as a Venezuelan, but I live in the US now because my parents decided that it was the best for me, and I can't wait for the day I can go back to my home.
Brock @ Jul 13th 2007 12:02AM
Tell your story to the poor people in Venezuela. How do you think he was elected? Because elitists don't give a damn about the impoverished.
You can talk all the smack you want about Chavez - and I welcome it - but the fact remains that the billions of dollars formerly pouring into the pockets of 0.1% of the country is now being diverted to the working class. You tried to oust him once and look how that turned out. The working class wants him there. When the proletariat decides to can him, I'll change my mind.
And everyone, stop trying to spin this whole computer thing into some "He's really doing it to spy on us and ruin our country" argument. Just like Cuba pumping out the best and brightest doctors in the world - someone always finds a way to spin that, and it's a waste of an argument. When you expose people to the technology, skills are developed that benefit the country as a whole.
Rick Lyon @ Jun 19th 2007 10:22AM
If you think Chavez will allow internet access, or at least access to Google, YouTube and other libraries of information to allow the common folks using these machines to educate themselves, you're crazy.
He's like Castro. Sure, free health care is awesome. But what good is being 100% healthy while living in poverty, broken down concrete boxes with no chance to better your situation?
Edward @ Jun 19th 2007 11:03AM
Nice job cutting through the misinformation and getting down to the facts Xee. Ignorance on Venezuela and repetition of US administration propaganda on engadget is truly stunning.
oolvidaremos you ought to try comparing apples to apples instead of apples to oranges. How about comparing Venezuela to the few remaining South American neo-liberal states like Columbia, Guatemala, etc? Columbia is especially horrible considering the billions the US administration dumps into their military. Have you heard about the connections between the right wing death squads and top political allies of Uribe? The prosecution of top legislators? The payments by Chiquita to the death squads? Wake up!
John @ Jun 19th 2007 4:28PM
People on 'the Left" are desperate for leaders so they'll become complete hypocrites and ignore actions taken by these leaders that they would be outraged about if some capitalist leader did the very same thing. You can go to:
http://thereport.amnesty.org/eng/Regions/Americas/Venezuela to find:
"Human rights defenders continued to be threatened and intimidated. In May the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights reiterated its concern at threats and other open hostility towards human rights defenders by government officials who publicly referred to human rights defenders as "coup plotters" and agents of instability."
http://thereport.amnesty.org/eng/Regions/Americas/Cuba
Or go here to read about Cuba and all the people jailed for speaking out, non-violently, against the goverment of Cuba, one for showing "comtempt to the figure of Fidel Castro".
The very same people in the US that think Fidel is such a great guy
would be outraged (and rightly so) if someone were jailed for showing "contempt to the figure of George Bush". Yet they remain silent about the situation in Cuba for one reason and one reason only, he is "one of theirs", he's a Leftist and that means they'll turn a blind eye to corruption and human rights abuses. Really pathetic if you ask me.
Amnesty International has been barred from entering Cuba for nearly 20 years, that should tell you all you need to know.
Sean O @ Jun 19th 2007 11:02PM
People in the US don't think "Fidel is a great guy". Let me guess. One day you saw some kid wearing a Che Guevara shirt. So you take one little anecdote and apply it to a nation of 350 million people - most of whom are Democrats.
I know it's fun to pretend that liberals like Fidel. Stop pretending.
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