iPhone processor found: 620MHz ARM CPU
By Ryan Block 
posted Jul 1st 2007 2:46PM
posted Jul 1st 2007 2:46PM
- ARM1176JZF chip with TrustZone (enables trusted computing environment for media, apps, network, OS, etc. -- very bad for hackers)
- Can vary in clock speed up to 700MHz or more, depending on implementation (thanks, Nigma)
- ARM Intelligent Energy Manager (claimed to reduce power consumption 25-50% in portables)
- 16K / 16K cache
- Features vector floating point coprocessor ("for embedded 3D-graphics")
- ARM Jazelle enabled for embedded Java execution (hmm...)
- SIMD, high perf integer CPU (8-stage pipeline, 675 Dhrystone, 2.1 MIPS)
- 0.45 mW/MHz power draw (with cache)
Update: Sascha at Gear Log seems to think given the recently discovered Samsung chip in the iPhone, perhaps the processor in question is a Samsung S3C6400, a recently-produced 667MHz ARM1176JZF-based CPU that seems to fit the bill.
The most surprising thing in there is the ARM Jazelle... Why did they include it if there's no Java on the iPhone at all? Perhaps we'll see a firmware update soon.
I hope so! Along with Flash support!
can the iphone watch Youtube?
can the Iphone watch PORNOTUBE?
can the Iphone play music embedded in webpages?
If the answer to any of these questions is "no" then I will wait for a phone whose answers are "YES !"
hey Big, the iPhone can play YouTube. And no PornoTube for you, why don't you get off the computer, stop f**in yourself, and get a job. Than maybe you could afford an iPhone and learn a little more about it.
"...can the Iphone play music embedded in webpages?..."
that is the single dumbest reason for not buying an iPhone I've ever heard.
"They" didn't include it. Jazelle is a function on-chip from Samsung. Has nothing to do with Apple.
re: dogarms
He's got a valid point. If the iPhone works with an m3u that can reference back to a server like http://www.codewave.de/products/mytunesrss/
then 8gb is a limitation that can be immediately addressed.
Jazelle has nothing to do with Samsung; it's an ARM thing. All licensors of ARM designs have access to Jazelle. Intel, Hyundai, Philips and Actel manufacture ARM designs with Jazelle inside, as (probably) do other manufacturers.
NEWSFLASH-The iPhone has a processor!!!!
No newsflash the iPhone is using trusted computing components.
All the new cell phone processor chips have trusted-computing-like features. It costs the manufacturers very little to include this, and even if it results in just one design win, it'll be worth it. It also allows chip manufacturers (such as TI and Samsung) to differentiate their products when they all use the same arm cores.
wtf happened to the post on the Kaiser?
He abdicated
There was a post on the Kaiser?
http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/01/htc-p4550-kaiser-gets-the-hands-on-treatment/
Boy Genius report says it may be bumped up for release in July...
It's gonna be spensiiiiiiiive!! But packed with stuff! 3mp camera, 3g...
http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2007/05/24/htc-kaiser-unboxing/
Don't forget though, if that law suit doesn't get cleared up, we won't be seeing those imported here by any carriers. Have to get an unlocked one.
awesome, i hope it gets here. Kaiser > Herald.
And the comments are growing there :)
Maybe they removed it, but it is still on my google homepage.
could it be that the GUI effects are java based?
No, Apple has made it pretty clear that they use CoreAnimation, which they made a big deal about in Leopard. Correct me if I'm wrong though, as it happens often
Damn. All the hype about this phone had convinced me that it ran on magic.
There's no such thing as magic you know.
Would Magic Johnson not disagree?
By the way, what makes you so sure that the iPhone isn't running on a 320Mhz processor Ryan? Many HTC phones run on slower processors that that, so it doesn't sound too unrealistic
as someone who has used an iPhone and a couple other winmo devices, i can assure you iPhone has a processor significantly faster, there can be no question.
Paul, you can't assure anyone of that. Windows Mobile devices are pathetically slow because the software sucks. Just because the iPhone seems quick doesn't mean you know what the processor speed is. Old PalmOS devices were responsive and they had crap for processors.
Doesn't matter anyway. The iPhone is what it is and it seems fast enough.
ARM Jazelle is a standard feature on all ARM processors ARM9 onwards. Wether Apple have made use of it or not is anybody's guess.
Just to clarify the processor speed: The processor does NOT come in "two versions". The figures listed on the ARM website a purely implementation examples using two different technologies. The processor is designed to run at speeds between 300 - 700mhz ish, but this depends on the implementation. I think recently someone did an ARM1176 implementation at around 750Mhz.
Yes, Jazelle is standard since ARM9. And as most developers know, the hardware accelerator has been significantly slower than s/w JIT compilers for awhile and pretty much no one uses it.
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Totally sick of iPhone stories.... I can't believe such a crap product is getting so much hype...
I love the 'iPhone is crap' comments, makes me chuckle. What do you consider not crap? Are you using a C-64 as a cell phone? The ringtones would be pretty cool, that's for sure. Yes, I will agree to a lot of coverage being a little much, and I will agree that it may not have everything that everyone needs, but for the majority of the population it has everything that most would need, and since it's Gen 1, I'm sure we'll see many enhancements in the future.
God forbid a company limit the amount of features they put in a product to ensure they can deliver the most quality product they can make, with every intention to add functionality in the future via free software updates. Alas. I know full well the other side of spectrum (I'll give you a hint, Ryan does too...), biting off more than you can chew tends to make for MANY more errors and broken experiences. This may be off topic slightly, but I've been reading too much and need to post some kind of retaliation on the idiots who deem themselves haters.
There is only one "iPhone is crap" comment here, David.
"God forbid a company limit the amount of features they put in a product to ensure they can deliver the most quality product they can make, with every intention to add functionality in the future via free software updates."
Stating speculation as fact, David?
"Alas. I know full well the other side of spectrum (I'll give you a hint, Ryan does too...), biting off more than you can chew tends to make for MANY more errors and broken experiences."
The iPhone isn't bugfree. I have one friends who's experiencing a lot of problems. Perhaps Apple bit off more than could chew.
"This may be off topic slightly, but I've been reading too much and need to post some kind of retaliation on the idiots who deem themselves haters."
Perhaps you should stick to facts then. Your personal speculation is worthless.
I'm not stating anything 'fact,' just basing off past experience with Apple's products. Since they decided to create the iPhone on an OS X platform, I'd say either free software updates and/or paid downloads within iTunes are implied.
I will admit the 'free' part may have been a little over-speculative on my part, but I don't discount it from happening. As for bugs, Apple is pretty methodical on fixing them when they arise. Hey, it's first gen, surprise there's bugs, but really how many compared to any other phone company? Or just any company in general where quantity always take first place over quality?
What's worthless is listening to people complain incessantly over a product they don't like, instead of biting their lip and not reading the posts. My 'personal speculation' may be worthless, but I never claimed authority on the subject. I'm sure many people here don't. Next time step back and count to 10 before you rip into people, big man.
"I will admit the 'free' part may have been a little over-speculative on my part"
I wouldn't say that considering Apple has already said that will be free: http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/07/04/25/apple_to_build_new_features_into_iphone_apple_tv_free_of_charge.html
David, why don't you admit was it really is--100% pro-Apple speculation. You know nothing of the internal design decisions, future product plans or initial quality details of the iPhone.
All companies are methodical in fixing bugs i.e. they employ a "method". I bought an early MBP and a year later they finally released their first battery firmware update. Hardly very prompt. As for iPhone quality, who knows how many bugs there are and who knows if Apple isn't just another company "where quantity always take first place over quality"?
"What's worthless is listening to people complain incessantly over a product they don't like, instead of biting their lip and not reading the posts."
Nicely said, hypocrite. You couldn't just bite YOUR lip and not read the one, single negative comment with going off on a fanboy rage?
WHY DID YOU GUYS TAKE DOWN THE KAISER POST???
http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/01/htc-p4550-kaiser-gets-the-hands-on-treatment/
Something to hide?
Thanks for bringing it back. Phew! *sigh of relief*
crap audio player??? what are you smoking??? it is the most advanced audio player on any device! ESPECIALLY A PHONE!!!! You need to go use an iPhone before saying dumb shit.
what is wrong with this derek guy?
@derek calm yourself down, seriously. if it's as good as you want it to be then there's no reason to be so angry because in the end, you are right--it's as good as you want it to be.
others will criticize it because it's out there to be criticized. it's got an fast processor and it looks great. we all know that. as for usage preferences it's going to be up to the individual to determine whether or not it meets their individual expectations.
calm down.
"crap audio player??? what are you smoking??? it is the most advanced audio player on any device! ESPECIALLY A PHONE!!!! You need to go use an iPhone before saying dumb shit."
yeah, er, except on palms, pocketpcs, smartphones, blackberries, sidekicks etc...
i was asking this right yesterday, with all the hype and fuzz noone really was caring about this important specs. finally some "REAL" information on Engadget
+1
Convergence is usually bad. The iPhone is a good example of this. It's a poorly featured phone, and a crap audio player, it's got Apples usual shoddy build quality..
The only good thing here, is Apple's marketing...
Its taking forever to activate my iPhone can anyone tell me whats the longest they have waited. Thanks
i waited like 36 hours. the phone itself is active.. but i cant send or recieve calls or use edge.
36 hours wow thats along time. And just wondering did you switch from verizon and try to keep your number.
Thanks
After my phone activated and I could use all the features of the phone on wifi but nothing over AT&T, I tried powering off the phone and turning it back on forced it to search for AT&T's network and I was up and running. Not sure if this will help you, but it worked for me (after 9 hours of waiting and then trying this).
The one strange thing about the jazelle being in there, is that I believe Jobs is quoted as saying that the iPhone doesn't support Java because it's too slow. Which I have a hard time believing if it has a dedicated processor. I'm not a big fan of Java, but it's at least a step in the right direction (plus, there's always Jython).
As for the hackability of the iPhone, it will be interesting to see if they use TCE to lock down the iPhone. To my knowledge, they really only have used this is the past to keep people from running OS X on non-apple hardware. Maybe they want to stop people from cloning the iPhone, and stealing the SW?
cool...if a 620mhz processor can run the mac os x with such smooth graphics..then i guess using 1.0ghz apple tv with entire mac os x on it is an amazing device for normal computing like checking mails and surfing the net
Just remember that the iPhone has a screen resolution of 320 x 480
Without knowing the specifics of the processor designs, clock speed comparisons are meaningless. Than be high frequency-clocked "slow" processors and vice versa.
I bought an iPhone .. I was wondering .. are they going to stop producing iPods? If they are going to keep producing iPods .. they better hell have nearly all the iPhone features .. including wifi. I also found it interesting that this samsung block diagram has NTSC out stuff etc. I wonder if they will use this same thing for new video ipods? Hmm maybe the new video ipods will have a 1024 pixel wide resolution graphics LCD? And yes that resolution is usable .. I can see the iPhone pixels clearly from 10 inches so there is room for at least a doubling of resolution dots per inch). They should also throw in a GPS there. But then the problem becomes why buy an iPhone when you can just have an iPod and maybe the upcoming RAZR (which is useless crap for web browsing) that has two cameras and in call realtime video conferencing so you can show the person you are calling what you're looking at.
As far as hardware goes, if the next iPhone has GPS, video conferencing, and an even higher res display .. it will be perfect.
Software - I see no reason for the "Clear" and "Missed calls" buttons .. the missed calls are clear in red .. and I dont get that many missed calls. Also, numbers dial far too easily so if I am scrolling ... sometimes it misinterprets my finger movement and starts calling the number. There are a few other quirks like that (eg. better phone locking .. i like to be 1000% certain the phone wont dial in my pocket) .. I think they can fix it in software as users bitch about it.
Cool. Hopefully i'll in the giveaway and be able to read about this on my iPhone!
this looks to me like stolen technology from the future...
psp has a 333mhz processor
runs 3d games and shit
runs browser with flash player
runs mp3, mp4 videos etc
and?
The PSP also has a dedicated multimedia co-processor for video and audio decoding, as well as a 166mb graphics processor.
Apples and oranges.
166mhz*
The IPod could well have other hardware co-processors (3D, video possibly another ARM). This will probably be a single chip SoC.
My iphone's battery won't hold over 3 hours in stand-by, and would randomly reboot itself when I'm a call. I'm returning it, and I hope they won't charge me that re-stocking fee.
I popped open my sim card tray on my iPhone and the card had the 3g icon on it. Does that mean AT&T will eventually allow iPhones to surf on their 3g network? Is that even possible?
All of the new ATT/Cingular SIMs are branded that way.
hope my stock dont end up in the pigs! pen????????? clint
Im going to return mine tomorow. I spoke to Apple rep today about the battery issue I'm having. They told me to do one final test and if the issue still occurs they are going to replace it with the new one.
I got it fully charged this morning and when a friend of mine played around with it for abouit 30 mins or so, the battery dropped to about 10-15% left. And some other weird stuff.. battery related.
Hurrah for Acorn Computers!
Welcame back Apple Newton!
No wonder it's so fast with all the transitions and operations!
I thought this story ran here already. At first introduction I saw a lot of places getting this essentially right. I mean, it was unconfirmed, but places knew it was samsung, who had just recently announced the release of this chip. Stock blogs had the d/l.
The samsung chip makes more sense, to me anyways.
sounds cool to me
klsjd
I said no to the iPhone for the following reasons.
1. No voice dialing!
2. The keyboard is insconsistent in that in Safari, it can be tilted, but in other apps that use just as much text, it does not.
3. Price Gauging!
Go buy direct from Apple or Att and you have a miminum of $109.99 for a family plan. Now go buy a regular plan from ATT and get two free phones (I got two brand new razors), and you get for $59.99 the same amount of minutes. Then add the $20 internet (UNLIMITED) plan, and you have everything for $79.99. Buy the iPhone and you just saved $40 per month! That is $500 per year or two iphone with the two year contract!
The fact that this is happening, let me to the understanding of how much Att is reaping us off.
I mean, come on! Why aren't they subsidizing the phone just like any other phone? I just got two razors for FREE without ANY rebates! Compare that with the iPhone deal where if you cancel the contract you have to pay $175 even if they did NOT subsided the phone, and you can see the picture!
4. The price is just to high, for the price of this phone, you can get a mac mini. That's just to much for a phone, that can't voice dial, no voice recording, no video cam, the list goes on and on.
To top if all off, all this software that is supposed to be added later on via updates, is already in OSX. So why can't they provide it like, yesterday?
For $600, forget about it.
Period.
@Dorian, 1 small correction to your calculations. When you have more than 1 phone on a family plan, the media plans are "per phone." In the case of your example, $20 per phone + $59.99 calling plan = $99.99 for 2 activated phones. Not quite as much a difference each month.
Also, I read somewhere else that the 1st version of the RAZR was $500. Does that mean the iPhone's prices are that much out of line as a 1st generation product? With all the development costs for a company producing a smartphone for the first time, I give them a little bit of a benefit of a doubt for the price they set.
Bottom line for those who are still contemplating whether or not to buy - read everything you possibly can about what it can and cannot do. Then, decide on whether this device is right for you. Everyone has different priorities. Don't just follow the masses ... OBTW, Piper Jaffray (an analyst firm) estimates a half million have already sold (http://news.com.com/8301-10784_3-9738446-7.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-5).
Hum... I'll have to look into the $20/phone. I had T-mobile and I could purchase the $20 unlimited internet plan on a monthly basis if I so disired, or simply continue using it at $20/month for as long as I wanted to- cancelling at any time. Not bad.
I'm not sure if both phones had the internet, since I only used one, but I can't recall anything mentioned to me about a seperate data plan within a "Family" plan.
I will call tomorrow.
Thanks.
If I may add, the phone could be broken up in parts and even simply justify it's price. You have a Video iPod (of 8Gig), an good substitute for a GPS (which is one of the reasons I almost purchased it), a good phone (with a very bad speaker phone-bust still speaker phone...) The internet, etc. So it's not that it's a bad thing....
But when compared to what else you could purchase with that price, it's starts to make you wonder. Specially with the odd plan prices.
But you know, we only live once and it's only money. If you want to have the phone, go ahead and buy it. Ejoy it, it's deffinetely a good thing amongst all the things we need to deal with on a daily basis....
"The keyboard is insconsistent in that in Safari, it can be tilted, but in other apps that use just as much text, it does not."
Good point -- the keyboard in your free RAZRs behaves identically in the web browser and the other apps, I bet.
I don't even have data plan on the razor, since it would be useless to have the plan on this phone. I only activate it when going on vacation in case I have to use it as a modem for the MacPro if we are out of range of a wifi. Something the iPhone can't do.
In any event, the razon was Free, so I don't expect anything from it. I got it in the interim until Apple finishes the iPhone and Att subsidizes it like they do for EVERY other phone on their list.
They are taking everyone to the bank because everyone is in a feeding frenzy. I'll wait the waters calm down and buy it for a good $250 less with all the apps running as they should already be running.
ah, "one more thing"....
No way to use this thing as a modem for a MacBookPro! You can use just about any other cell phone as a modem, but not Apple's own phone.
Get a grip!
I said no to the iPhone for the following reasons.
1. No voice dialing!
2. The keyboard is insconsistent in that in Safari, it can be tilted, but in other apps that use just as much text, it does not.
3. Price Gauging!
Go buy direct from Apple or Att and you have a miminum of $109.99 for a family plan. Now go buy a regular plan from ATT and get two free phones (I got two brand new razors), and you get for $59.99 the same amount of minutes. Then add the $20 internet (UNLIMITED) plan, and you have everything for $79.99. Buy the iPhone and you just saved $40 per month! That is $500 per year or two iphone with the two year contract!
The fact that this is happening, let me to the understanding of how much Att is reaping us off.
I mean, come on! Why aren't they subsidizing the phone just like any other phone? I just got two razors for FREE without ANY rebates! Compare that with the iPhone deal where if you cancel the contract you have to pay $175 even if they did NOT subsided the phone, and you can see the picture!
4. The price is just to high, for the price of this phone, you can get a mac mini. That's just to much for a phone, that can't voice dial, no voice recording, no video cam, the list goes on and on.
To top if all off, all this software that is supposed to be added later on via updates, is already in OSX. So why can't they provide it like, yesterday?
Ah, "one more thing".... Not being able to use Apple's own phone as a modem on their own computers is just insane. You can use any phone as a modem on their books, but not their own.
For $600, forget about it.
Period.
Sorry, my post didn't appear until I posted it again, so we got dupplicates...
Oh well...
IPHONE Disassembly
http://stream.ifixit.com/
Don't those soldering points look messy to you (especially in last picture)??
finally some usefull info about this damm thing
But how will iphone ringtones work? It's sounding like Apple might go proprietary, but I'm sure there would a huge backlash from users!