Hot damn kiddies. Amazon just posted the specs and delivery for Canon's
EOS 40D. Of course, it's not official 'til it's official but Amazon lists a September 20th availability for the
true 30D successor. The specs? They're all there: new 10.1 megapixel, APS-C sized, self-cleaning CMOS sensor; 30% faster, 9 point AF; DIGIC III image processing; ISO 3200 max sensitivity; improved 3.0-inch LCD with Enhanced Live View; 6.5fps continuous shooting (bursting 75 Large/Fine JPEGs or 17 RAW images); 35-zone metering system; and CF card storage, natch. All in a body just slightly larger than the EOS 30D while tipping the scale with 1.4-ounces (40-grams) more beef. It also supports an "sRAW' mode which trims the number of pixels to one-fourth that of a standard RAW image (cutting file size in half) while retaining all of the flexibility of full-sized RAW images. A definite 30D upgrade for those of you who've been holding out. Sorry, no new pictures, the shot above was from that
earlier leak. Now best get outta here and start shaking down the kids for the $1,299.99 required to take the body-only home.
Update: Amazon pulled the price and delivery date. No worries, original screengrab after the break.
Update 2: Oh my, now the whole page is gone! Tsk, tsk Amazon, jump the gun did we? We anticipated this: peep the gallery for a walk down memory lane.
[Via
dpreview forums, thanks Manhog and Robby B.]
posted August 19th 2007 6:51AM
Bring it on!
Sold!
will engadget be giving one of these away anytime soon?!? :D
definitely getting this on import from the states or japan...
this must be one of the most anticipated cameras for the last couple years!
This camera includes weather/dust proof, sensor cleaning and uses same sensor as rebel XTi! However, 14-bit A/D (4x times color collection than 30D), highlight tone priority, 9 point CROSS TYPE with double precision center AF (first for any EOS), larger viewfinder, 6.5FPS with 75jpeg/17RAW buffer size! and best of all, $1299 body only cost!
Competition is great and this will be the hottest selling Canon XXD series period! Just mark my words - this will be the most sold xxD body ever!
We don't know if it sports the SAME sensor as the xti. In fact, it would surprise me it it does. However, the sensor has the same size as the xti/400D based one, indeed.
Can't wait for the first reviews to arrive! And yeah, a 40D giveaway is demanded. ;)
NO, we know it is the SAME SENSOR as the REbel XTi:
Sensor size:
• 22.2 x 14.8 mm CMOS sensor
40D sensor size (speculative on amazon):
• 22.2 x 14.8 millimeters
Straight from the blurb:
"Improved Image Quality
Although it is based on the image sensor used in the EOS Digital Rebel XTi, the EOS 40D Digital SLR's 10.1-megapixel CMOS APS-C size image sensor has been significantly improved thanks to the use of larger microlenses over each pixel to reduce noise and expand sensitivity up to ISO 3200. "
"Adding to the improved virtuosity of the images captured by the EOS 40D SLR is the camera's 14-bit Analog-to-Digital (A/D) conversion process. Able to recognize 16,384 colors per channel (four times the number of colors recognized by the EOS 30D SLR's 12-bit conversion capability), the EOS 40D camera is able to produce images with finer and more accurate gradations of tones and colors. The EOS 40D also incorporates the optional Highlight Tone Priority and High-ISO Noise Reduction functions first introduced earlier this year with the EOS-1D Mark III Professional Digital SLR."
Sorry - I misread your posting - I meant it is the same SIZE...but of course to make it a true 40D (30D upgrade), one must improve the sensor ;-)
That's awfully small sensor - I don't know if the 14bit A/D will really make a difference - at least the MARK3 had significantly better DR because it was at least APS-H sized. This sensor is tiny compared to the D200 - but yet every spec on this 40D trounces the D200. And it costs $300 less! Competition at its finest!
Well. As you said in your last post, it's not technically the same sensor. They may have used the same technology to make it, but as it must be able to capture and send data streams to be converted into 14 bit data, I believe Canon have redesigned the circuitry on the silicone wafer as well. (A CMOS sensor doesn't only contain a array of light sensitive spots, but also 'stuff' that converts that into data that are sent to a picture processor for further processing, and compression.)
Oh, and 14 bit is better than 12 bit, because then it's able to capture more colour 'richness' in the same picture than before. More colour nuances, better saturated picture.
D200, rip your heart out. Now you've got a REAL competitor. ;)
I just hope the viewfinder is bigger, like the D200's and the new 1D MkIII.
Now Nikon really needs to upgrade its lineup! Its been ages since they replaced their high-end lineup
Well competition wise, Nikon will most likely release the successor to the D200 at Photokina 2008 (that's almost exactly one year from now and 3 years after D200 release) and the much anticipated FF D3 will probably come out at end of this year,
just based on logic and the fact that nikon has lost many higher end customers to canon. Also there is a rumour about the successor to 5D coming in at same time, now that's the baby I'm waiting for. In any case both Canon and Nikon seem to go on full throttle right now and we can only be happy for the competition.
Excuse my ignorance. I've been a Nikon guy for a long time and ready to get in to the DSLR game. I thought I wanted a D80 but correct me if I'm wrong this appears to blow the D80 out of the water?
Its a far superior spec to the D80 and given Canons reputation, the image quality will be superior also.
@Razor,
Nikon makes great cameras, but you just don't get as much bang for your buck. Especially upon a new release by Canon. Canon is always a jump, skip and a leap ahead (and a few hundred dollars cheaper).
This thing blows both the price-competitive and spec-competitive Nikons far far away.
Well.. I think NIKON also need an upgrade for the D2Xs... its a no match against the 1D-Mark IIN and IIIs...
Also, they need to bring in Sensor cleaning and Live View on their feature sets
@Razor:
Canon has more experience producing DSLRs than Nikon, with superior sensors and image processing for overall quality. However, Nikon can still trump Canon in its high-end lens lineup, so if you have any those, there's plenty of reason to stay with Nikon.
However, keep in mind that in making the move from film to digital, the 40D has only an APS-C which crops a full 35mm frame, effectively zooming in 1.6x; for instance, with a 28mm prime, your final photo will appear as if it were shot with a 1.6x28mm=45mm lens on a standard 35mm film camera.
If you have no problems about parting with your Nikon setup, the Canon EF-S lenses, which are designed specifically for APS-C-sized sensors, will make a very cost-effective solution with the 40D, and with Canon's superb sensors, you will be able to produce some quality photos. Just don't go throwing your money out the window with the EF f/L series lenses--you'll lose 1/3 of the lens due to the crop, unless you upgrade to the Canon 1Ds or 5D series.
Wow thanks for the info and help every one. You all brought up some good information, some of which I didn't know that much about and caused me to do some more research. I was completely unaware of the APS-C issue and after 5 minutes using google I found this helpful link which further explained it to me:
http://photo.net/columns/bobatkins/full_frame
Again thanks every one for the help, it looks like I'm going to have to put that D80 purchase on hold...
--Dave
What's funny is that even with the new 40D, the camera will not make you a better photographer period. Many will likely produce substandard pictures with their new 40D. Many do not understand photography and will most likely buy one of these new camera bodies and expect the same sort of quality from their panasonic TZ3 point and shoot camera. What canon should do is include a photography for dummies book with every 40D so that the consumer gets an education on DSLR technology. So please don't expect the same IQ or picture quality like you see on professional photo sites and magazines.
getting into DSLR = shelling huge amounts of cash for lenses and it will burn a hole in your wallet!
This ain't your typical P&S camera... ;)
PS - Canon still owns the FF market - with the new 1Ds3, it's a hard one to beat! The only competition for the 40D (if it's released sept 20, 2007), will be the Nikon D200 - which the 40D trounces all over (AF, SENSOR quality, IQ, viewfinder, body features and construction). Most importantly, THE PRICE!!
But competition is so fierce, I hear Sony is getting ready to get in the ring with Canon and will get KTFO!
Sony needs some more practice before getting in the ring with Canon. A lot more actually. They have a chance in the future, but if they get in now they'll get pulverized. They need a bunch more successful dSLRs and lenses that span the market.
"getting into DSLR = shelling huge amounts of cash for lenses and it will burn a hole in your wallet!"
Umm no it doesn't. Lenses are not the end all be all to photography. I've seen some really really well done photos on your standard point and shoot. This is something that pros seem to forget, either because of ego (Look at me I'm spent 9 grand on my hardware!) or because they don't get it: Its all about the composition.
I'm a little stuck on sRAW cutting the number of pixels to 1/4th... First, I'm surprised that only cuts the file size in half, second I'm surprised it retains "all of the flexibility of full-sized RAW images"... I'd think a full-sized image would be a more flexible for cropping and enlargements, since there's for times more data to generate detail in the image. Or did you mean all the flexibility except for a loss in detail?
I think it makes more sense to say it cuts the pixels in half and reduces size by 1/4. Maybe it's a typo.
Just to be clear:
I mean it could cut pixels IN half and IMAGE size (not file size) BY 1/4.
sRAW is geared more towards sports photographers and journalists. You can have the benefits of a 14-bit RAW file, but with a smaller file size. This way you can double your high-speed burst to 34 frames.
me wants more dollars
MOAR, MOAR mONEY PLX
The 30D is more compared with the Nikon D200. The Nikon D80 is more compared with the Canon Rebel XTi (400D).
Now with the speculative specs of the 40D, it destroys the Nikon D200 (on paper). We will have to wait and see how it stacks up against the D200 in real life (when it's released). The D80 is a great camera - but it's not in the same league as the D200/30D and now 40D.
(D200 is alot better than the 30D in many features and build quality - D200 wins vs. 30D but D80 = plastic body, cheap build quality - but it has nothing to do with its great image quality either - very comparable to the 30D but still mostly compared to the Rebel XTi).
God!
LOL - amazon pulled the pages! I guess it was an unintentional "leak" ;-)
Nevermind, they pulled the SEPTEMBER 20, 2007 RELEASE DATE & the PRICE: $1299
LOL - specs are still available.
I'm going to hold out for the new 5D successor. I've got a 20D currently and it serves me well (even into it's 3rd year).. I really want to hold out for a FF Sensor.
Page is now gone!!!!!
I know where the 400D (and 350D) stands, and I know where the 40D (and 30D) stands, and I know the Marks are all high-high-end. Where is the 5D and it's successor?
What's the differences between it and the 30/40D? Or is it closer to the 400D?
Next time, please read your question out loud before you hit 'Add Your Comments'.
Ok. I read it.
Now I'd still like to know the differences and where it stands.
Apparently you guys are unaware that Nikon has a major press event scheduled this week too. The D300 and D3 are imminent and will probably be announced within a couple days of Canon's announcement of the 40D and 1DsMIII.
I'm a Canon guy myself, but let's not start trying to say Nikon is history just yet. They aren't.
Noise in CMOS sensors increases when the pixels are made smaller. The 5D still has the best noise performance AND it has a full-frame sensor so lenses perform as expected. I don't see the 40D as a big improvement since it hasn't lost much weight or bulk. IMO the self-cleaning feature is a gimmick. All sensors will eventually need cleaning and with the 40D's "sealed" sensor, that probably means a trip to the shop.
"Canon shooter," could you be any more of a Canon troll? It looks almost as if Canon targeted the D200 specifically with comparable, but ever so slightly better specs.
I question that strategy because they've just built a brand new camera to compete with one originally released in 2005... Yeah, let's not forget that the D200 is 2 years old and holds its own.
LOL @china man eugene chan -
did the 40D specs hurt you? Nice to defend your D200 - The D200 is strong in this segment - Canon needed to take this spot. With the D80 riding up the a s s of the 30D and the D200 just sitting on the 30D's face, the 40D is here to take the crown away.
Competition = consumers get the benefits. Nikon will no doubt release a counter 40D attack. Let it begin. I can just tell you have an issue with "better" hardware. Why don't you come over to Canon land and sell all your nikon gear?
let me guess, you also own canon - p&s that is...
Nice.. but when will Canon release the successor to the 5D? ;)
The 5D's replacement won't be out until at least spring '08. Not only when the 40D comes out, they'll also announce the 1DsMK3. So that will leave 5D's replacement to next year.
sweet, im grabbin it as soon as they allow pre-orders.
I'd like to know how well its shoots at 1600 ISO. My 20D is OK but if this is like new MARK III then 1600 should have signicifant less grain. Hoping it looks like shooting at 800.
I shoot sports and stadium lights aren't good enough at night.
Looks good, but I'll hold out for the new Olympus P-E1, or whatever it's going to be called. Oly has been on a really innovative roll lately.
*drool*
Anyone want to buy a 30D? ;)
Holy crap, I have a D80 now, but i'm totally jumping ship when this comes out.
Man, I'm glad I put off getting the 30D ....
I saved a "one file web page" of what Amazon had up originally if anyone is interested.
Man, I'm glad I put off getting the 30D ....
I have a "one file web page" save of Amazon's earlier posting if anyone is interested.
Ha! Yall just wait till Nikon's major press event commemorating their 90th anniversary, you might be singing a different tune then.
@ Razor, Mik & Dan Glecker
With all due respect, why would somebody compare the 40D to the Nikon D80?
Maybe if you knew what Nikon's camera lineup was you'd be comparing 40D to the Nikon D200.
The Nikon D40x/D80 compete with the Canon Rebel XTi.
The Nikon Nikon D200 competes with the Canon 40D and 5D.
The Nikon D2Hs/D3H competes with the Canon 1DMkII/1DMkIII.
The Nikon D2xs/D3x competes with the Canon 1DsMkII/1DsMkIII.
Nikon has two cameras competing with the Rebel XTi (Nikon D40x and D80), While Canon has two cameras competing against the Nikon D200 (40D and 5D) There's no question that competition is thick between the two camps in the low/mid end DSLRs, but high end is where Canon appears to have the edge. Probably not for long though, their 1DMkIII had some serious focusing bugs that weren't quite shaken off and leaves a bad impression on the Pros who rely on their equipment to perform with a high level of consistency.
Also, let's not forget one major differentiating factor between the two brands.
Canon DSLR lenses, even their highly prized L lenses only come with a 1 year factory warranty.
Nikon DSLR lenses, all across the board come with a 5 year factory warranty.
This is something that is often overlooked by newcomers, and conveniently left out of discussion by Canon fanboys.
Wanna really bring up a sensitive subject?
Let's talk about how L lenses require white casings because it's scientically proven their flourite packed L glass becomes extrememly unstable and susceptible to warping in high temperatures.
YIKES! maybe that's one of the reasons Canon lenses have such a crappy warranty.
It's not always about the cameras bodies, the lenses are also important, if not paramount.