Nokia's iPhone -- no, seriously
By Thomas Ricker 
posted August 29th 2007 10:48AM
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I think some of you may have missed it, but China already has an IClone out that is Linux based, does everything the IPhone does, plus everything the IPhone won't...
Better email handling, sync-ing, etc...and being Linux, my friend has already added the ability to use the camera as a 2-way VOIP Video Phone.
Try that with the IPhone...
http://www.popsci.com/popsci/technology/e7e48a137b144110vgnvcm1000004eecbccdrcrd.html
Why is this a copy of the iPhone? Touch-screen is maturing and was cropping up on devices round about now before the iPhone came along and made it popular. Multi-touch is an obvious technology that was appearing in other touch-screen devices as well. Touch-screen designed to use with your fingers was already around and introduced to the mobile phone via the LG Prada. All Nokia have used here is the accelerometer thing, which Nokia has previously used in phones anyway.
And the basic design of the phone, a rectangle with a touch-screen. What else did you expect? Nokia has always produced simple ergonomics for their phones, this is exactly how you'd expect a touch-screen Nokia to look.
Without Nokia mobile phone technology would be miles behind, they made it interesting.
Reality is only what I'm after .Remember,Xerox PARC invested in Apple because they believed the young company could make something out of their technology,beyond reasonable doubt,they did.Just to correct those that thought Apple "ripped off" the GUI.Ever notice when Apple releases a product already in an existing product category they make it better and improvements in other products are based on theirs?In otherwords,they become the benchmark product.Believe me a fake/knockoff product never satisfies like the real one.Look at windows,still stuggling to be an operating system or even user friendly.
Someone said "Productivity is never an accident.It is a commitment to excellence,intelligent planning and focused effort".The iPhone was in development for 2 and a half years and it was brought forth.A team of software engineers were committed to bringing it home,hence the delay in shipping their next OS.Nokia makes different mobile phones on a daily basis,just to populate the market with phones that the buttons are ridiculous to press or just looks like another Nokia phone with 2 strokes.They don't think they just make.The Prada phone yet again was just another touchscreen phone with a wide screen.The iPhone looks quite different method of input is different,eliminates the stylus for your fingers,runs OSX,a real HTML browser and stuff.Again the LG phone is just another phone.I have one and it's boring compared to the iPhone.Nokia actually brings nothing new to the table.They are just like Toyota,everyones car but without the fuel efficiency.While Apple is like Mercedes Benz/BMW,selling to a group that wants to be exclusive,stylish and elegant.Remember the new S class is rated greener than the prius.There's a saying in the auto industry "If you want to know the next big thing in automobiles,look at the S class!".Apple has filled those shoes in the various industries they've entered and you can bear witness to them.
Every car is the same because they take you from one point to the other.Let me ask, even though cars are the same,why do people lust after the ferraris,lambos,benzs and top of the range luxury?Or that rolex or swatch,even though they tell the same time and even have less?Or the gucci,prada,ralph lauren,dior,versace and the likes that you are dying to wear,even though there are better designed clothes,shoes and bags available on the market?
You buy Apple products because they stay true to their value and give you less problems and they seperate you from a group of people that complain about how pathetic their devices are.Nokia has made hardware only and Apple,both.Apple just manages to seamlessly integrate hardware and software creating a unity to make you feel like your using a device and not two.That is the iPhones selling point and everyone misses it.It has merged desktop class applications with a puny device concieved as worthless in computing prowess.The iPhone makes you scream out loud "I didn't know my phone could do that!".Apple redeemed it.That's all.
The hatred you can see in many people is not for the iPhone or Apple but it's for AT&T.They give bad service and I honestly agree that it was a bad move on Apple's part to tie with them.I think you guys should think in all directions before taking sides.
"Good artists copy great artists" Nokia and other phone makers have given their hands to Apple to lead them accordingly and show them just what is possible on the mobile device because they are making knockoffs and can't comeup with something different.In a sentence they have asked Apple to define the meaning of a truly mobile device.
The image on the phone looks (badly) motion tracked...
Apple innovates by taking technology and making it easy to use. Its not magic nor rocket science. Any moron can make technology hard to use.
Maybe easy to use for a moron. sorry you don't need to be a rocket scientist to use Windows. Use a Smartphone. Use a PMP. Apple's ease of use may be true but its not THAT much easier. The simple fact is that Apple makes their wares easy to use by axing features or outright hiding them under some menu or something.
90% of the concept of ease of use comes down to learning a system. Apple makes that bar easier to reach simply because they hid half the features.
Sure if I put one big red button on a PMP that starts and stops the thing its easy to use. It doesn't mean its better. Ditto with iPod/iPhone/OSX/iTunes/Etc.
I think that this is a fantastic idea. As a consumer, I don’t care who made what. The smartest consumer is not bound by brand loyalty. The smartest consumers go for the best products at the best prices. If Nokia can deliver what only the iPhone has right now (fantastic interface) without the shortcomings (3G, locked to AT&T, etc.) then I’m game. It benefits EVERYBODY. Fanboys and haters alike. For fanboys, it will drive the price of the iPhone down, accelerate the release of the next iPhone, force apple to include better features, etc.
For haters, it will provide a technically better product at a cheaper price. If successful, it will even drive other companies to create their own phones with solid user interfaces. Consumer wins. That’s me.
Every company in the WORLD is driven by profit, I don’t care who you are. R&D will continue on the iPhone, but don’t be fooled into thinking that Apple released the best of what they had. They released what they deemed would be the most profitable products for the company in the long run. I’m damn sure this included features they could improve on for a 2nd iphone release. Like, I dunno, 3G and GPS. Maybe even a not network-tied phone. Nokia is doing the same thing. They want in on the iPhone hype, no doubt about it. As well they should. But to get marketshare, they will release a better product with a lower price point. So let the corporations battle it out. The only thing you will be doing by supporting just one product is promoting market stagnation. Don’t even think for a second that Apple would release a second iPhone unless there was some type of competition, not until generation 1 sales had slowed significantly. And what about the 70% of the market not tied to AT&T? Keep supporting iPhones and the whole US cell phone market is behind (again).
I give tons of credit to apple and nokia. Apple has put together a solid set of features, both old and new (Visual voicemail is bad a$$) and made it sexy AND usable. And the fact that a US company designed it is solid, the US cell phone market sucks, and the iPhone is one of the only bright spots. But don’t think the iphone is the perfect product, apple made sure of that themselves. For that, I’m disappointed and not surprised.
Nokia gets kudos for their own reasons too. Nokia is a solid cell phone manufacturer with a history of making solid and sexy phones. I think they have a much better chance of making a iPhone competitor than Microsoft is at making a hard-drive MP3 player. They probably have developed enough of iphone type technology on their own that putting it together in one product isn’t an automatic lawsuit and loss. See, that’s the beauty of the iPhone interface. How do you patent sliding pictures across the screen? Its too simple an idea. Its just that nobody really has done it other than a gimmick.
As for innovation, Apple and Nokia are OK. They definitely don’t invent things. And they both do a pretty good job of improving things nicely. Apple did a solid job of designing a product ground up full of cool, well, gimmicks. Nokia hasn’t had the guts to do it, and that makes sense. It’s not really that Nokia couldn’t do it, it was just too big a risk. Apples risk was much better because they can market the crap out of it, something Nokia can’t really do (does the average American even know what the N95 is?), and apple has a solid brand backing. They even tied the iconic iPod into the phone. Now Nokia is releasing their own product, self-developed, that will pretty easily run off the iphone hype. Genius on both sides.
For true innovation, that last thing I was genuinely impressed by was the Japanese dude who invented the blue LED. SONY, Phillips, Panasonic, etc. put millions into that, but this guy from a small company got it done. Blue lasers followed shortly, as well as millions of different inventions (like white LEDs, lol). This guy has my respect way more than Jobs or Nokia corporate.
I don't consider it copying for one reason. It has one great feature that the iPhone doesn't. The thing isn't going to be locked to a shittastic carrier. Apple and Crapular can go fuck each other for all I care. I will never even contemplate using Crapular ever again.
THIS IS REVOLUTIONARY! NOKIAS ROADMAP IS LEAPS AND BOUNDS AHEAD OF EVERYONE! NOKIA IS NOW BEST!
I mean...what?
forget the iphone, i can't wait for openmoko!
My god you people are crazy. How ANYONE could take this copy-cat vaporware lie of a video and celebrate Nokia because of it is beyond all rational thought. I mean, my god people. 8 months after the demonstration of the iphone and two months after it's release, we have a video of a device that looks identical. Wow. A video. The supposed actual rip-off will come out at some unknown point next year. Great. If you are celebrating this and bashing Apple in this thread, your are a pathetic anti-apple zealot... or you're just lustful of the iphone but can't get one.
Oh... and for all those proclaiming the iPhone as too expensive... have any of you looked at the price of the unlocked Nokia N95? I mean seriously. Oh, and btw, the iPhone data plan is subsidized at $20/mon for unlimited data. Yeah it's edge, but that still saves almost the cost of the entire phone over the life of the plan.
Just Unbelievable. And you call us Apple zealots.
Here is the point:
Apple makes things that work and that is why people buy them. They werent the first ones to make MP3 players, but they are by far the highest selling. why? because they are dependable and intelligently designed. I know you all here are experts on whether or not apple is actually innovative, its not like you should take the advice of fortune magazine who rates them as the most innovative company. You can talk bad all you want about Apple, but in the end results will prove you wrong. 1 million iphones sold? I dont see that happening with the nokia anytime soon.
again, i will reiterate my point in an earlier reply. Noone can help you if you can't see that nokia's 200 million phone sold per year clearly butchers apple's own expected numbers. In the real world we live in, nokia is king of the hill with massive sales & market share. Math is our best friend. 200 milliom > 1 million.
A successful mobile handset strategy is to have a whole range of diffferent phones aimed at different market segments. Nokia has this. Apple at the moment has 1 phone aimed at a very ipod focussed market, of which ipod is now 14% of the global portable music market. They still make loads of money, but in the overall scheme of things, iphone, like the ipod, will be aimed at servicing a niche market. Fyi, nokia & sony ericsson control the portable music market now. Apple used to own 80 % of that market & promptly decimated heir own marketshare in 2 short years. Possibly the fastest any dominant entity has ever lost it's market leadership.
Apple is now up against real competition. Gloal operators with more money, as much investment into marketing and just as innovative. To top that off, the big 5 handset makers have the capability to bring high quality products to market in 18 months or faster to refresh their product lines. Thats what it takes to succeed in this business. It's highly questionable apple has that capability.
Let's recap. Apple vs nokia (global leader in mobile, known for making good business acumen, albeit slightly conservative). Apple vs sony ericsson (global leader in consumer electronics, known for taking risk & highly innovative). Both of these companies, when they entered apple's domain (mobile music), obliterated the ipod. 9 million ipods +1 million iphone sales vs 100 million competing products (minus their other phone model sales) from these 2 giants alone. It's no contest.
At it's best, apple might capture 2% of the market eventually (2 years from now) but they will remain a niche player who'se target is very focussed on ipod fans (which it is now a small player in it's own market)+ the smartphone market (of which iphone is still deficient when you go behind the hype to see what the iphone as a product really offers).
Remember, 1 million iphones projected by Jobs by the end of september. Usa market will see an initial spike of iphone sales in the short term, but sales will quickly slow down over the coming months. Once iphone goes global, it will have a harder time. The competitive offering outside the usa is just that much better and in more abundance.
Remeber, 1.5 billion handsets sold each year. Apple is projecting 10 million. The very simple math doesn't agree with that assertion that iphone will iPWN the other handsetmakers.
Btw i'm not a nokia fanboi. Sony ericsson fanboi myself. Im just telling it how it is.
Apple has never been a company to make hundreds of products and sell billions. They concentrate on developing their products, not putting out a bunch of different phones like nokia. Comparing Apple to nokia is a testament to Apple by itself, this company has put out 1 phone that is available on 1 service, and it is being compared with nokia. Apple will never sell as many handsets a year as nokia or sony, but what i was saying in my last sentence of my last post was that the iphone has probably already sold 1 million and this nokia MODEL isnt even out yet. You make some good points about how much larger the other companies are than Apple, but to me this is just a testament to how strong of a company Apple is to be as successful as they are with all the big guys gunning for them.
Well Nokia sold 1,5M N95 that is their flagship phone (or E90) i think that tells something too http://www.gpsbusinessnews.com/index.php?action=article&numero=304 , but its true this was Apple first try and was best first try ever no guestion about it and we need to member that iphone is only sold in usa by now. It will be all different in Europe and Asia thought Nokia has strong brand in there and people might pick up the Nokia TS device before the apple.
This is getting pretty bad. I am surprised to see even Nokia jump in with the rip-off.
See my assesment on the others doing the same
http://abhishek.tiwari.com/2007/08/31/iphone-imitation-is-the-sincerest-form-of-flattery/
Hey guys! I am sure that this is an joke from Nokia! They only show us that they have now the technology and they are able to make such a device like an iPhone. But in fact Nokia will launch much more improved version of iPhone-like device and they will make the outer face look much different from Apple. Thats what I think and I think I am the only who realised this. A leading mobile phone company just cant make such a cheap move and develop a copied device. And what did Anssi Vanjoki said... its all about this same "marketing joke". Think about that and see the red line.
Skip to 4G "WI-MAX" and forget all the talk about 3g. Nokia, Motorola, RIM, Gphone(google), OpenMoko and almost all the other manufacture and carriers will be offering 4G (WI-MAX) starting with sprint end of next yr http://www2.sprint.com/mr/news_dtl.do?id=12960 100mbs with a 30 mile range (cell/wimax in the middle of most lakes) Wi-Max(4G) is what I want.
IPhone is copied with nokia 6233 (border and speaker) :)
Anything with an I in front should be classed as a apple product. Look what happened when Ann Summers called a product Ivibrator
Nokia, wtf
In fact, nowadays it isn't illegal to sell unlocked phones in Finland. Operators are sellin cell phones with two year contracts and after the time you get the unlocking code from the service provider.
For those Mac addicts who do not see the tree from the forest iPhone is NOT very intuitive concept. Finns did it already back in 2003... http://www.mobileburn.com/review.jsp?Id=547
Since Nokia already has been shipping a technologically superior and "open" communications device with a touch screen for a long time, the N800, it's only logical that they improve the UI, design and formfactor - Apple is behind here. What I'd like was to Apple and Nokia to partner: Apple iPhone hardware and UI combined with the Maemo OS - now that would be great.
What you gloss over is Apple's chutzpah in claiming they INVENTED the GUI, suing Microsoft over it and becoming embarrassed in the courts. Forget about that?
Nokia I phone is cool device, what is the operating system of this phone, using same Symbian / smart phone or there is any change in it?? I am was trying to locate this hand set games and application on diffrent channels like youpark.com, nclubsoft.com, mobtravel.net and dogandbonegames.com but couldn't find much content for this phone.
I really don't care if they copy the design or not. At least I'll be able to use this device on any network without worrying about it being bricked.
Glad to see Engadget is posting unbiased content finally. Oh... wait.
There do seem to be quite a few microsoft zelots(sheep) in these comments that do not seem to know any facts but like to spout off a load of BS that they read on some idiots blog! I do not think apple claim to have invented the GUI. From what I understand Apple payed Xerox to look at and use their work on the GUI and then went home and made it into something anybody could use. When the first mac was released Microsoft was allowed to have information so they could develop thier apps for the Mac. Microsofs then used Apples work on the GUI to create Windows and got away with it because of some contract between the two companys. If it were not for Apple people would probably not be using a GUI right now and still be typing in their commands.
I obviously have not had the chance to play with an iPhone yet as i live in the UK. I just hope that it is something that changes the way all mobile phones are used as the Mac did with computers 23 years ago.
Hey, if they make an iPhone that is better than apple's iPhone, and actually listen to the users, then I'm all for Nokia copying apple.
Apple stole the "mouse" and the original GUI idea from Xerox, and I am guessing Xerox stole it from someone else. Steve Jobs himself used to quote Picasso, "Good artists copy, great artists steal."
A quick google search on "Apples deal with Xerox" will provide some info. There are quite a few interesting articles to read on the subject, who stole what from where etc. I am not saying that apple don't steal ideas. As you quoted ( Steve Jobs himself used to quote Picasso, "Good artists copy, great artists steal." ) I just don't think they stole that one as they appear to have paid for it.
lol, so now ppl are unhappy cuz other companies are copying the iphone? Has anyone here heard of the LG Prada? See, all americans think for some reason that just because a company in their country made it, it officially belongs to them. Don't you understand people? APPLE has copied from LG, therefore, it's only fair that anyone else can copy iphone. They deserve it. Don't tell me about how the prada's spex don't come up to the iphones- Just look at the design.
Just another example of how the big american company steals a korean company's idea and claims it as their own. -ahem-mp3 players-ahem- I'm really going to blow my top if apple even THINKS about suing.
Wow... it's companies like Nokia that make me wonder if flying cars would've ever been possible if little green men hadn't done it already.
Wow u ppl have 2 much time...who cares if Nokia copied iPhone...its another phone that u can buy cheap...i bet u ppl didn't complain when Vera Bradley knock-offs came out or when Subway started making personal pizza...i kno those r pretty trivial but hey so is this BS about a "new" phone...its the same thing different name slapped on it :)
can you install Linux?...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
well.. there's not too many various designs with a touch screen phone cuz they're.. well touch screen.. so u cant rly say nokia is copying apple and that they're an ass. cuz. then LG customers would be saying the exact same thing to apple. since LG created the touch screen cellphone that looks similar to iphone about a year before iphone even came out.
How hard to dethrone Steve Jobs(iphone)?
Not so easy! just simply copy the design and improve over current iphone features won't do the trick.
Everyone knows Steve and who he is for 3 decades, especially the last 15 years with iMak and Ipodt how many companies went into distinct because they thought they can compete with Steve by COPYING, steve has been laughing all along.
Steve had created a RELIGION with iThrone, not just simple a product, ppl are converting because from Nok, Motto and... because of Steve, the cult leader.
iThrone would not kill Nok instantly but it seriously effecting Nok's sales of Nseries and most seriously the luxi imgage of Nok.
The one that is on HOT seat right now is O2 which is relying on high on market in Europe and Asia, compare to O2, iThrone offers a better design and feature phone for less. In Vietnam, the sale of new O2 went completely fainted, people are reselling their used O2 to get the unlocked iphone without paying much extra.
iThrone is coming to Europe just in time for the holidays and maybe Asia in first quarter 08, Steve is banking.
What next for Steve? iPlay (PSP), iWay(GPS), iHome(stylus home stereo system - Bose), just my guess..
Thomas Su
Finally an open platform with touch. The Iphone is cool and all, but it's jsut a great interface with no functions backing it up. If Nokia can get a touchscreen to match the Iphones, then the Iphone will die. The Iphone is an interface nothing else. Nokia has made the greatest mobile phones forever, what will apple do against that?
apple didnt invent everything
MOBILES ALL LOOK THE SAME
just because apple make a slab with no buttons (hardly) hmm LG PRADA anyone
only thing thats new is the ui or wot eva its complete balls the iphone sucks simple asthats why i wil not be buying it not because of cost or ect
because some one will make a better one
ie
THIS NOKIA ONE
nokia have been out for years they know what people want appl made a poor mobile phone with a excelent menusystem THATS IT
jesus stop sayin
iphone cloine iphone wanabe
its a phone
nokia kik apples ass
QUICK style n make these apple worshipers suk on the ibrocks