I'm just saying that it's tiering and ridiculous too see the lack of innovation in other companies. And it seems that every time Apple launching a new product other companies start to make clones. It's just ridiculous, just ridiculous. Talk about lack of innovation and creativity of their own.
Name ONE product that Apple has actually innovated. You can't. None of their products was actually "new". The iPod? There were other MP3 players. iPhone? There have been touchscreen smartphones (with mp3 playing abilities) before. Mac OS? Other operating systems too... and the whole "Unix" thing already existed before they put their little shell over it too. A mouse that can right click? a little slow off the start on that one. Macbooks? Notebook computers were around before. The Apple Newton? Even that wasn't first off the line when it came to PDAs. So please, take your bullshit about "innovation" and go elsewhere. Real new inventions are exceedingly rare - where companies (like Apple) shine are when they take an existing product and improve it - in Apple's case, by making them much easier to use.
"Name ONE product that Apple has actually innovated. You can't. None of their products was actually "new". "
Ok, The first part....Apple has actually innovated many items, if you do know what it means to innovate, it basically means to improve upon a current invention. Apple has innovated many things, such as the personal computer, the notebook pc, and the digital audio player. For the second part of that statement, i would have to agree with you, apple really has not made any new hardware that has not been around before.
"There have been touchscreen smartphones (with mp3 playing abilities) before" Once again, I have to agree with you on this one (mainly because i own a At&t 8525) but Apple brought real innovation by making the entire phone a touch screen (a multi-touch screen at that) and making it work with iTunes seamlessly (which last time i checked was one of the most popular means of buying music online these days)
" So please, take your bulls**t about "innovation" and go elsewhere" Sorry.....no, why dont you look at all of the articles in engadget that are tagged "apple" and specificaly look at the posts about apple pattent applications. If you dont like it, why dont you subscribe to the rss feed from engadget that excludes all apple/iPhone/both posts.
"Real new inventions are exceedingly rare - where companies (like Apple) shine are when they take an existing product and improve it - in Apple's case, by making them much easier to use." Thats basically what apple does....make products that look good and are easy to use.
Think about what you are about to say before you post
Sorry T-Mags, but "innovate" doesn't mean what you think it does. Try looking it up in a dictionary.
Apple didn't "innovate" the personal computer, the notebook computer or the digital audio player. Apple may have brought new characteristics to these products but they were all existing technologies.
Apple did not "innovate" with the first "all touchscreen" phone either nor was the iPhone the first to integrate with an online music store (or even iTunes). It was first to offer multitouch, but its multitouch is the most limited implementation ever and serves almost no function in the device. Multitouch is one of the iPhone's true innovations and one of its most disappointing new features. It's nearly worthless.
Patent applications are not equal to innovation. If they were, IBM would lead the world and Dell would be just as innovative as Apple. Apple's patents are IP grabs just like everyone else's. Patents are nothing more than a high stakes game of fraud and BS. Engadget tags are nothing more than playing to what is popular.
"Think about what you are about to say before you post"
Take your own advise and be certain of the definition of words before you criticize others' usage of them.
uh, perhaps you need to look up "innovate" in the dictionary again. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=innovate&x=0&y=0 Innovate: 1. to introduce something new; make changes in anything established. 2. to introduce (something new) for or as if for the first time: to innovate a computer operating system. 3. Archaic. to alter.
definitions 1 and 3 seem to suggest exactly what T-mags said, so it does mean what he thinks it means and perhaps you really should take his advise as well as yours and "..be certain of the definition of words before you criticize others' usage of them." - craig
"Apple has innovated many things, such as the personal computer, the notebook pc, and the digital audio player."If by 'innovate' you mean 'use a really good marketing team along with taking advantage of a blindly dedicated user base', then I agree.
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"If there is something good in the world then we copy with pride."
LOL. Nokia should be ashamed... Instead of innovation, they copy. But they are not alone in that respect. Just look at all the iPod clones.
Jebus! Apple didn't INVENT the portable mp3 players, and they certainly didn't INVENT the smart phone (nor the smartphone with music/video playback).
They (very) arguably designed a BETTER one and certainly marketed it better.
Don't confuse the two.
"Good artists copy; great artists steal." Steve Jobs
"good artists copy, great artists steal" -Picasso*
Alan Strangis. Did I say that they invented it?
I'm just saying that it's tiering and ridiculous too see the lack of innovation in other companies. And it seems that every time Apple launching a new product other companies start to make clones. It's just ridiculous, just ridiculous. Talk about lack of innovation and creativity of their own.
Other companies are just trying to fly on the Apple hype. Good luck with that...
Name ONE product that Apple has actually innovated. You can't. None of their products was actually "new". The iPod? There were other MP3 players. iPhone? There have been touchscreen smartphones (with mp3 playing abilities) before. Mac OS? Other operating systems too... and the whole "Unix" thing already existed before they put their little shell over it too. A mouse that can right click? a little slow off the start on that one. Macbooks? Notebook computers were around before. The Apple Newton? Even that wasn't first off the line when it came to PDAs. So please, take your bullshit about "innovation" and go elsewhere. Real new inventions are exceedingly rare - where companies (like Apple) shine are when they take an existing product and improve it - in Apple's case, by making them much easier to use.
@ John:
"Name ONE product that Apple has actually innovated. You can't. None of their products was actually "new". "
Ok, The first part....Apple has actually innovated many items, if you do know what it means to innovate, it basically means to improve upon a current invention. Apple has innovated many things, such as the personal computer, the notebook pc, and the digital audio player. For the second part of that statement, i would have to agree with you, apple really has not made any new hardware that has not been around before.
"There have been touchscreen smartphones (with mp3 playing abilities) before"
Once again, I have to agree with you on this one (mainly because i own a At&t 8525) but Apple brought real innovation by making the entire phone a touch screen (a multi-touch screen at that) and making it work with iTunes seamlessly (which last time i checked was one of the most popular means of buying music online these days)
" So please, take your bulls**t about "innovation" and go elsewhere"
Sorry.....no, why dont you look at all of the articles in engadget that are tagged "apple" and specificaly look at the posts about apple pattent applications. If you dont like it, why dont you subscribe to the rss feed from engadget that excludes all apple/iPhone/both posts.
"Real new inventions are exceedingly rare - where companies (like Apple) shine are when they take an existing product and improve it - in Apple's case, by making them much easier to use."
Thats basically what apple does....make products that look good and are easy to use.
Think about what you are about to say before you post
John? Meet wikipedia: (Innovation & Invention)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innovation
Sorry T-Mags, but "innovate" doesn't mean what you think it does. Try looking it up in a dictionary.
Apple didn't "innovate" the personal computer, the notebook computer or the digital audio player. Apple may have brought new characteristics to these products but they were all existing technologies.
Apple did not "innovate" with the first "all touchscreen" phone either nor was the iPhone the first to integrate with an online music store (or even iTunes). It was first to offer multitouch, but its multitouch is the most limited implementation ever and serves almost no function in the device. Multitouch is one of the iPhone's true innovations and one of its most disappointing new features. It's nearly worthless.
Patent applications are not equal to innovation. If they were, IBM would lead the world and Dell would be just as innovative as Apple. Apple's patents are IP grabs just like everyone else's. Patents are nothing more than a high stakes game of fraud and BS. Engadget tags are nothing more than playing to what is popular.
"Think about what you are about to say before you post"
Take your own advise and be certain of the definition of words before you criticize others' usage of them.
recon @ Aug 29th 2007 2:38PM
@craig
uh, perhaps you need to look up "innovate" in the dictionary again.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=innovate&x=0&y=0
Innovate: 1. to introduce something new; make changes in anything established.
2. to introduce (something new) for or as if for the first time: to innovate a computer operating system.
3. Archaic. to alter.
definitions 1 and 3 seem to suggest exactly what T-mags said, so it does mean what he thinks it means and perhaps you really should take his advise as well as yours and "..be certain of the definition of words before you criticize others' usage of them." - craig
And before you even start...here's a link to a more reputable dictionary
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/innovate
"Apple has innovated many things, such as the personal computer, the
notebook pc, and the digital audio player."If by 'innovate' you mean
'use a really good marketing team along with taking advantage of a
blindly dedicated user base', then I agree.