Hacha's PA20 and PC20 PMPs get release date, pre-order

Hacha, makers of the familiar looking PA20 and PC20, is apparently planning to unleash the players on the world in the very near future. According to reports, the two PMPs will be hitting shelves sometime around September 22nd (or earlier), though right now we've only got those words to hang on. If you'll recall, the $175 PA20 (pictured) is a 3.2-inch, touchscreen media player, with 4GB of memory, the ability to play tons of media formats (MP3, AVI, XviD, WMA, WAV, APE, FLAC), and a microSD expansion slot for an additional 4GB of storage. The $170 PC20 has all the same features, though its 3-inch screen isn't touch-sensitive, and it totally rips off the iPhone's design. Go figure. Both are available for pre-order right now from the Hacha "fan" website.

[uberfu @ Sep 12th 2007 10:35AM]

Ha ! I'm the first poster_

WTF? Who gives a shit ?

[Alpha899 @ Sep 13th 2007 10:40AM]

Well its actually already out, dunno why Hachaonline is doing presales:

http://www.mp4nation.com/products/index.php?PID=mp4#hacha

[Dias @ Sep 12th 2007 10:38AM]

So every fullscreen device is an iPhone ripoff? Is this a joke? And how about Prada?

[Ant @ Sep 12th 2007 12:30PM]

I agree, full screen is just a natural technological interface progression. It’s what’s behind the hood that counts and not just the software. They all need to sort out the solid memory capacity before they starting bigging up media players with no room for all your media.

[Brad @ Sep 12th 2007 12:45PM]

What about how the iPhone is just a ripoff of the HTC Touch, or iPaq, or any of the other numerous touchscreen devices. Ooh, it's got big icons on the home page! Wow!

[Generic @ Sep 12th 2007 3:34PM]

or everything is a ripoff of the Palm Pilot (oh memories) that was slapped on a DMP

[Neeko @ Sep 12th 2007 10:38AM]

Hmm this or a itouch. what to do? I love competitive products. now lets see 1million apple fanboys rip this product apart even tho it hasnt even been released yet.

[FrankTheCrank @ Sep 12th 2007 10:42AM]

I'm digging that XVID support...

But who the hell is HACHA??? WTF?

HA CHA CHA CHA CHA.....

[Pirateinmymind @ Sep 12th 2007 10:44AM]

So for a measly $5 extra you get .2 inches of screen that you can touch. Call me crazy but i think i might be willing to splurge a little

[Hacha Online @ Sep 12th 2007 11:11AM]

The PC20 has its points too. It is ultra-thin and has a glassy metallic feel to it.

[kingofwale @ Sep 12th 2007 10:45AM]

>though its 3-inch screen isn't touch-sensitive, and it totally rips off the iPhone's design.

Joshua.

first of all, this isn't a PHONE
Second of all, it looks NOTHING like an IPHONE.
Third of all, it doesn't even have a touch-sensitive feature.

and mostly, Iphone is the first touch sensitive display device? Since WHEN?

Seriously, I'm trying to defend engadget when other people calls this an Apple fanboy site, but this is getting ridiculous. It wouldn't surprise me if you guys started calling Slingbox a rip-off of Apple TV.

[Alan Partridge @ Sep 12th 2007 11:07AM]

Click the read link and check the PC20, its very iPhoney

[Sledge Hammer @ Sep 12th 2007 10:47AM]

Wow, the PC20 is a blatant rip of the iphone, don't these companies have any shame?!

But, it really is thin, credit card size thin:

http://hachaonline.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=23

Trust me, I know what I'm doing.

[Jeff @ Sep 12th 2007 12:24PM]

"Wow, the PC20 is a blatant rip of the iphone, don't these companies have any shame?!"

Dude, WHAT THE F*CK?????

Are you and that Joshua Topolsky idiot like the wonder twins of ass stupidity?

Ryan, do you not have some editorial power over stupid write-ups like this? I cant believe that you actually would agree with this idiotic line being used by the writers on this site.

[Bart Lee @ Sep 12th 2007 10:49AM]

Oh man they missed the boat by not naming one model the Hacha Cha-Cha.

[Hacha Online @ Sep 12th 2007 11:03AM]

Just to let you all know, those prices are in AUSTRALIAN DOLLARS.

Convert them to USD: ~USD$141/$146

[Simon @ Sep 12th 2007 11:03AM]

No DivX? *cries*

[Montusama @ Sep 12th 2007 11:22AM]

XviD and DivX are related so it doesn't matter

on a personal note XviD owns DivX

[Simon @ Sep 12th 2007 11:29AM]

Related, but not identical? So i would have to convert all my DivX's to play on this?

[leland @ Sep 12th 2007 11:23AM]

It costs half as much as an ipod touch and has Xvid support, something Apple will never do. there's no reason you shouldn't be interested.

[anonymouspimp @ Sep 12th 2007 12:00PM]

Your logic is falling on deaf ears.

[John Stracke @ Sep 12th 2007 11:32AM]

Interesting: it's got FLAC, but not OGG.

[Ant @ Sep 12th 2007 12:24PM]

Looks, well, like nothing great. But the expandable SD memory support is where Apple need to be heading. Although this only has 4Gig of storage at least you know that over the following year you can add far greater memory as SD prices come down and memory goes up. Leting buyers have the choice to add memory is good, but this product isn't exactally desirable in the first place.

[Tom @ Sep 12th 2007 12:41PM]

Price and design are fine but:
microSD (and is that HC?), why not (full size) SD? Why do all the manufacturers go with that silly micro version when the full sized slots would easily fit into this kind of devices and the cards are already avail. in twice the storage sizes?

Also, why does the non-touch version have "dualchip technology (Rockchip 2608A+) which is needed for the games" (see http://hachaonline.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=19&page=3) when it offers close to no useful input method (inline buttons on the top ... let's see one play serious games with that)?

Seriously, what's so hard about making this kind of devices right instead of half baked?

[Bogdan @ Sep 12th 2007 12:54PM]

iPhone ripoff? Are you guys serious? Your Apple obsession is becoming a bit funny.

[OK @ Sep 12th 2007 1:42PM]

Interesting how all these fanboy writers keep calling gadgets iPhone rip-offs, when the iPhone ripped off Palm OS first.

[insertAlias @ Sep 12th 2007 5:20PM]

If you actually read the article and look at a pic of the PC20 (the one that's not pictured here but is in the article), the form of it looks almost exactly like an iPhone. It's nothing to do with being a fanboy (iPhone's the only apple product I own or will buy) it's just that they look a lot alike.

[Oddjob @ Sep 12th 2007 6:51PM]

I like the iTouch, but am hardly an apple fanboi.. I like this due to the expandability via microSD, a feature lacking on both the iPhone and the iTouch. Also, despite being an apple fan, I fail to see how it's an iPhone/iTouch ripoff, other than the fact that it's a big touchscreen. None of the same design cues are there, the proportions are different, the color scheme is different, even the hard button layout (or lack thereof) is different. Of course, this is all based off of the 2 pictures provided, since I'm at work and can't see the other website.

[AnimeNinja @ Sep 12th 2007 11:10PM]

Did HachaOnline pay Engadget for this advertisement?

The PC20 has been out in China for a while. You are announcing when an online store will release a certain product?! Why does the store HachaOnline get this kind of special treatment? There are tons selling China PMPs.

Engadget! You are my favorite site, but I am disappointed.

[BattleTank @ Sep 13th 2007 5:37AM]

If it plays Xvid, it'll play DivX (except those new 6.0 ones with menus, I guess), they just haven't paid a licence to DivX, nor should they given the history.