tTypical.. several hundred bucks for a max of 16 gigs, with no possible expansion and they cripple the bluetooth, yet still give you crappy headphones. Mmm.. next gen ipod mmm. /vomit
This is just like the razr was. Overpriced, underspec'd, yet instantly popular because it was thin and expensive.
it'll run apache just like the iphone, so this 'overpriced' thin little unit runs a webserver and a web browser, and has a pretty good keyboard if you've ever used one. it does what no pocketpc or palm or treo can do, and that is it runs REAL software, not watered down ce crap. I can program php on this thing when on the go, when I don't want to whip out and boot up a laptop. that's wicked.
if you don't like it, move on and keep your opinion to yourself troll.
there are people out there that use portable technology for more than just listing to 'britney spears'.
@ dj-kenpo since when is it wrong for a person to voice their opinion of something. If you don't like prokanda's post (and the truth in it) then you don't have to be a dick and call him a troll.
You don't have to get so heated up because he said some mean things about your ipod.
If they included "proper" headphones, you'd see the price skyrocket a couple hundred more bucks. For those that want them, they'll get them. The included earbuds aren't that bad for 95% of buyers, but the vocal minority just can't stand that a pair of Shures aren't included.
If portable players came with good headphones, and they sounded good, I would be mad. I have a nice headphone inventory, I'm not going to pay more for lesser ones. I have Shure E4C's, some custom LiveWire's, Sennheiser HD580's (just as good as an HD600 or HD650, but they only cost me $50), and I'll probably be getting some even better headphones soon.
I'd rather see them include no headphones...
Anyway, I'm done with this crap. The only good consumer media-player company today seems to be Cowon, but they discontinued the X5, and it doesn't look like there will be a real replacement. I was considering replacing my X5 with a Q5, but 60gigs (and unknown space and HDD connector means I can't gaurentee I can stick a new 160gig drive in it) and Windows CE5 on a slow processor means, meh.
So now, I'm going to get a Pacemaker (pacemaker.net) for music, and a Cowon A3 for video.
Blah blah blah, I really hate the consumer DAP market.
@ greg: thanks for backing me up. A comment system is specifically made so that people may post their opinions on a specific topic.
@ dj-alpo: I don't like britney spears, thank you. I'm just talking about how every person that I know with an ipod (myself included) HATES the original ear buds that shipped with their device. My mom, my aunt, myself, a big handful of my friends all say that they're too big. They hurt my ears. I purchased a set of headphones on ebay that came in a pack that included a holster for a nano by Rivet. Interchangeable ear canal covers, cloth braided surround for the wires and gold plated plugs. The original product cost 40 bucks directly from Rivet. What I'm saying is that if apple would team up with a company like that, drop the other things in the package so that it was just the headphones from that company, and bought in bulk, it might make the price of their products 5 bucks more.
Oh, and about "real" software.. my treo runs "real" software and gets the job done.. all with a user replaceable battery (nice to pull the extra outta my dock and pop it in the back.. I've never been without juice), a memory card that I can pull outta my phone and pop in my camera, the ability to have whatever ringtones I want (got 200 right now on there), proper bluetooth, wallpapers that actually SHOW UP on the main screen, an actual proper PHYSICAL keyboard, a speaker that's worth a damn... and so much more. My apple fan-boy friend has an iphone, we sat down so that I could take my turn goofing with it one night and after I compared what I can do with my old beaten up treo all he had to say was "shuddup" in shame. iphone: shoddy speaker, shoddy customization, shoddy camera (c'mon.. for a device that was 600 friggin bucks it doesn't have a flash?! or autofocus?!), no mms (wtf?!), doesn't sync with .mac mail properly, no expandable storage, no user replaceable battery.... so when you're programming php and your battery dies, you've run out of space that you can't expand, and there's actual noise in the background so you can no longer listen to your ABBA tracks because this do-it-all device has a crappy mono speaker, just remember that I'm sitting somewhere with a loud-ass speaker, second memory card in hand, with a full battery, running "real" software and being bluetooth tethered to my laptop in a car on the internet.. not stuck in a cingular contract with no signal.
ya, I'm pretty sure I won't be tethered to cingular on my ipod.. uhhh but thanks bud. I wasn't talking about the iphone.
as for running out of memory, I don't think txt files will be filling up even the 8gb, so my php development will do just fine, which unfortunately, your treo can't do, it can't run apache. My girlfriend has a TX, I like it, but wouldn't keep it in my pocket. so for you I'm sure a treo is great, for me, 8gb is more than enough, and it does things my dell pocketpc just plain can't.
I still call you a troll for coming in and calling the thing crap because it doesn't have bluetooth. would I like bt? sure, but it doesn't mean the thing is junk because it doesn't have what you want it to. different strokes for different folks. me, I'll prob get one after xmas on v2. don't like it, don't buy it, there's no need to tell everyone what a piece of rubbish it is.
@trev: I wasn't actually comparing the touch's features to a razr.... I was just comparing the lack of features yet abundant popularity for the same reasons.. thin and overpriced.
@alpo: if you didn't want me to compare features between my much cheaper and far more capable phone.. then why did you say: "it'll run apache just like the iphone" "it does what no pocketpc or palm or treo can do, and that is it runs REAL software, not watered down ce crap"? you're the one that brought up the iphone, you're the one that brought up the treo (out of nowhere) so YOU'RE the one that started on that topic... BUD.
and as for "don't like it, don't buy it, there's no need to tell everyone what a piece of rubbish it is" that's called being hypocritical... you're trashing my treo because YOU feel the need to "tell everyone what a piece of rubbish it is"... so maybe you should take a healthy dose of your own advice, bud.
my point was not that the razor has less features, but it brought nothing new to it's segment. The iPod touch brings a new interface and cool feature to the MP3 player market. That is why I'm buying it--not cuz it's thin. (frankly I think it has a problem, it should be eating more)
You know I don't get why the "proper physical keyboard" thing is a good thing. I had a pocket pc with a physical keyboard, as well as a bunch of my friends' phones with physical keyboards. I hated each one of them. I love the touch keyboard, it doesn't clutter up the phone and I can type quicker then I can type on my computer's keyboard...A LOT quicker. I think the touch keyboard is the best thing in the iPhone and new iPod.
Prokandas comments are completely right, and I'm an apple 'fanboy'. Apple always bring out great concepts, but don't seem to be able to make a fully finished product. An iphone, then no MMS, an ipod touch, perfect for all your music AND a screen decent for video, but only 16GB max. A safari browser, but no email application.. A calendar 'without' events. No replaceable battery, because everything has to be THIN! Design over functionality isn't big or clever. The ipods should be hugely impressive, but the mountain of little niggles that could easily have been avoided are disappointing. This is the Jobsian 'like it or lump it' arrogant attitude to his 'customers'.
And this constant idiotic "If you don't like it, don't complaint or criticise". It sounds like some fascistic old mother saying "If you got nothing good to say..." Ipods are great, just "not insanely great' and I don't think overlooking all the faults helps anyone, not even Steve Jobs.
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prokanda @ Sep 15th 2007 4:04AM
tTypical.. several hundred bucks for a max of 16 gigs, with no possible expansion and they cripple the bluetooth, yet still give you crappy headphones. Mmm.. next gen ipod mmm. /vomit
This is just like the razr was. Overpriced, underspec'd, yet instantly popular because it was thin and expensive.
Rubbish.
Canman99 @ Sep 15th 2007 3:49PM
While the Ipod Touch is somewhat steeply priced, I still think it's a pretty impressive piece of technology. Plus 16GB can hold a fair bit of music.
dj-kenpo @ Sep 15th 2007 10:22AM
it'll run apache just like the iphone, so this 'overpriced' thin little unit runs a webserver and a web browser, and has a pretty good keyboard if you've ever used one. it does what no pocketpc or palm or treo can do, and that is it runs REAL software, not watered down ce crap. I can program php on this thing when on the go, when I don't want to whip out and boot up a laptop. that's wicked.
if you don't like it, move on and keep your opinion to yourself troll.
there are people out there that use portable technology for more than just listing to 'britney spears'.
greg @ Sep 15th 2007 10:42AM
@ dj-kenpo since when is it wrong for a person to voice their opinion of something. If you don't like prokanda's post (and the truth in it) then you don't have to be a dick and call him a troll.
You don't have to get so heated up because he said some mean things about your ipod.
Big John @ Sep 15th 2007 11:07AM
If they included "proper" headphones, you'd see the price skyrocket a couple hundred more bucks. For those that want them, they'll get them. The included earbuds aren't that bad for 95% of buyers, but the vocal minority just can't stand that a pair of Shures aren't included.
Jesse S @ Sep 15th 2007 11:25AM
If portable players came with good headphones, and they sounded good, I would be mad. I have a nice headphone inventory, I'm not going to pay more for lesser ones. I have Shure E4C's, some custom LiveWire's, Sennheiser HD580's (just as good as an HD600 or HD650, but they only cost me $50), and I'll probably be getting some even better headphones soon.
I'd rather see them include no headphones...
Anyway, I'm done with this crap. The only good consumer media-player company today seems to be Cowon, but they discontinued the X5, and it doesn't look like there will be a real replacement. I was considering replacing my X5 with a Q5, but 60gigs (and unknown space and HDD connector means I can't gaurentee I can stick a new 160gig drive in it) and Windows CE5 on a slow processor means, meh.
So now, I'm going to get a Pacemaker (pacemaker.net) for music, and a Cowon A3 for video.
Blah blah blah, I really hate the consumer DAP market.
Jesse S @ Sep 15th 2007 11:26AM
*guarantee
prokanda @ Sep 15th 2007 2:00PM
@ greg: thanks for backing me up. A comment system is specifically made so that people may post their opinions on a specific topic.
@ dj-alpo: I don't like britney spears, thank you. I'm just talking about how every person that I know with an ipod (myself included) HATES the original ear buds that shipped with their device. My mom, my aunt, myself, a big handful of my friends all say that they're too big. They hurt my ears. I purchased a set of headphones on ebay that came in a pack that included a holster for a nano by Rivet. Interchangeable ear canal covers, cloth braided surround for the wires and gold plated plugs. The original product cost 40 bucks directly from Rivet. What I'm saying is that if apple would team up with a company like that, drop the other things in the package so that it was just the headphones from that company, and bought in bulk, it might make the price of their products 5 bucks more.
Oh, and about "real" software.. my treo runs "real" software and gets the job done.. all with a user replaceable battery (nice to pull the extra outta my dock and pop it in the back.. I've never been without juice), a memory card that I can pull outta my phone and pop in my camera, the ability to have whatever ringtones I want (got 200 right now on there), proper bluetooth, wallpapers that actually SHOW UP on the main screen, an actual proper PHYSICAL keyboard, a speaker that's worth a damn... and so much more. My apple fan-boy friend has an iphone, we sat down so that I could take my turn goofing with it one night and after I compared what I can do with my old beaten up treo all he had to say was "shuddup" in shame. iphone: shoddy speaker, shoddy customization, shoddy camera (c'mon.. for a device that was 600 friggin bucks it doesn't have a flash?! or autofocus?!), no mms (wtf?!), doesn't sync with .mac mail properly, no expandable storage, no user replaceable battery.... so when you're programming php and your battery dies, you've run out of space that you can't expand, and there's actual noise in the background so you can no longer listen to your ABBA tracks because this do-it-all device has a crappy mono speaker, just remember that I'm sitting somewhere with a loud-ass speaker, second memory card in hand, with a full battery, running "real" software and being bluetooth tethered to my laptop in a car on the internet.. not stuck in a cingular contract with no signal.
dj-kenpo @ Sep 15th 2007 3:02PM
ya, I'm pretty sure I won't be tethered to cingular on my ipod.. uhhh but thanks bud. I wasn't talking about the iphone.
as for running out of memory, I don't think txt files will be filling up even the 8gb, so my php development will do just fine, which unfortunately, your treo can't do, it can't run apache. My girlfriend has a TX, I like it, but wouldn't keep it in my pocket. so for you I'm sure a treo is great, for me, 8gb is more than enough, and it does things my dell pocketpc just plain can't.
I still call you a troll for coming in and calling the thing crap because it doesn't have bluetooth.
would I like bt? sure, but it doesn't mean the thing is junk because it doesn't have what you want it to. different strokes for different folks. me, I'll prob get one after xmas on v2.
don't like it, don't buy it, there's no need to tell everyone what a piece of rubbish it is.
Trev @ Sep 15th 2007 6:01PM
Unlike the razor the iPod touch does have quite a few new features, and an amazing interface.
prokanda @ Sep 15th 2007 7:05PM
@trev: I wasn't actually comparing the touch's features to a razr.... I was just comparing the lack of features yet abundant popularity for the same reasons.. thin and overpriced.
@alpo: if you didn't want me to compare features between my much cheaper and far more capable phone.. then why did you say: "it'll run apache just like the iphone" "it does what no pocketpc or palm or treo can do, and that is it runs REAL software, not watered down ce crap"? you're the one that brought up the iphone, you're the one that brought up the treo (out of nowhere) so YOU'RE the one that started on that topic... BUD.
and as for "don't like it, don't buy it, there's no need to tell everyone what a piece of rubbish it is" that's called being hypocritical... you're trashing my treo because YOU feel the need to "tell everyone what a piece of rubbish it is"... so maybe you should take a healthy dose of your own advice, bud.
Trev @ Sep 15th 2007 8:11PM
my point was not that the razor has less features, but it brought nothing new to it's segment. The iPod touch brings a new interface and cool feature to the MP3 player market. That is why I'm buying it--not cuz it's thin. (frankly I think it has a problem, it should be eating more)
Humanicide @ Sep 16th 2007 1:05AM
You know I don't get why the "proper physical keyboard" thing is a good thing. I had a pocket pc with a physical keyboard, as well as a bunch of my friends' phones with physical keyboards. I hated each one of them. I love the touch keyboard, it doesn't clutter up the phone and I can type quicker then I can type on my computer's keyboard...A LOT quicker. I think the touch keyboard is the best thing in the iPhone and new iPod.
Ben @ Sep 16th 2007 9:50AM
Prokandas comments are completely right, and I'm an apple 'fanboy'. Apple always bring out great concepts, but don't seem to be able to make a fully finished product. An iphone, then no MMS, an ipod touch, perfect for all your music AND a screen decent for video, but only 16GB max. A safari browser, but no email application.. A calendar 'without' events. No replaceable battery, because everything has to be THIN! Design over functionality isn't big or clever. The ipods should be hugely impressive, but the mountain of little niggles that could easily have been avoided are disappointing. This is the Jobsian 'like it or lump it' arrogant attitude to his 'customers'.
And this constant idiotic "If you don't like it, don't complaint or criticise". It sounds like some fascistic old mother saying "If you got nothing good to say..." Ipods are great, just "not insanely great' and I don't think overlooking all the faults helps anyone, not even Steve Jobs.