Live from Apple's "Mum is no longer the word" event in London
9:17AM BST - We're, ahem, queuing alongside a few dozen other journos outside the Apple Store Regent, iPod touch ads in the window and all. And guess who just turned up...

The iPhone guy! You know, the iPhone project manager dude who gave all the online tutorials. What's his name again? Bob!

9:23 - Strange packages keep entering the store. We wonder what's inside. Click on for continued live coverage!

















Steve: "The 3G chipsets are real power hogs. Handset battery life cuts power to 2-3 hours." Yeah yeah, we've heard it before. "Our phone has a talk time of 8 hours and that's really important when you want to use your phone for internet and music. 3G needs to get back up to 5+ hours, something we think well see later next year. ... WiFi is way faster than any 3G network. Energy efficient EDGE with better, faster WiFi. That's why we chose it."
10:19 - Q: 7,000 hotspots in the UK... but are they free?
Matthew: "Cloud is the WiFi provider, and yes, it's free." Steve goes on to again tout the advantages of WiFi. Matthew nodding head vigorously, "It's a lot faster."
10:21 - Q: Is the same deal with Starbucks coming here? [Here being the UK, obviously.]
Steve: "You'll have to ask Starbucks about that. They love the UK." Smiles.
Q: What about iTunes activation?
Steve: "Yes, iTunes will work in the UK like it does in the US, allowing you to select your plan and then activate your phone. Of course, it also allows you to update your phone."

Steve: "That's the iTunes WiFi Music Store, coming this month to the UK."

Matthew: "18 months contract. There is a limit: 1,400 internet pages per day would break the deal as part of fair usage agreement." Wait, what?
Q: What's the revenue sharing from data and device sales between Apple and O2?
Steve: "Unfortunately, we're not going to go into that, but good question!" Laughter. "...Sometimes you get what you pay for."
10:26 - Q: Is unlocking a concern?
Steve: "It's a constant cat and mouse game -- we have the same thing with the iPod with music." Steve looks at Matthew, "Are we the cat or mouse?" 'We have to stay one step ahead of them. It's our job to keep them from breaking in."
Q: To Matthew, what do you have to do to get your network ready for the iPhone?
"We're investing in EDGE. As many people have noticed, hey I have EDGE! By launch we'll be north of 30% and build from there." Only 30% folks. It's important to remember that many parts of Europe doesn't use EDGE, they've often moved on to UMTS (i.e. 3G)!
10:30 - Q: Were you aware that the iPod touch was coming out when you were negotiating the iPhone deal?
Matthew: "One of the great things about working with Apple is they are always moving forward." Yes, and one of the great things about O2 is how it dodges questions.
Steve: "Well, one's a phone, and one's not. The iPod touch is training wheels for the iPhone." Ha! Oh boy, that's rich.
Q: How many [iPhones] do you hope to ship before Christmas?
Matthew: "80% of high end customers from other networks would be willing to switch carriers based on their data." But he won't discuss specific sales numbers.
10:32 - Q: What are your plans for iPhone launch in Europe, and your reaction to upsetting other carriers who feel played-off in terms of not getting this deal?
Steve: "We said we'd be in a few countries in Europe and we still plan to do that. As to the carriers, we took the approach to see who would be the best fit -- it's like going out on a few dates before getting married. So yeah, we have a few upset girlfriends out there." Laughter.
10:35 - Q: Can you be more specific about other European countries? [You know you're talking to Steve "Stonewall" Jobs, right?]
Steve: "We're here to talk about O2 UK, and that's all we're willing to talk about today."
Q: Why not one single European carrier if O2 is such a good fit?
Steve: "We were faced with lots of decisions to make and we think we've made the right decisions. We certainly have with O2."
10:37 - Q: Have you thought about opening the iPhone to 3rd parties?
Steve: "Yes, we've already done that with Web 2.0. We're looking at more intimate apps. But people hold their phones to a higher standard than their PC. The more open you are, the less predictable." Again, same ol' same ol'.
10:37 - Q: £900 for 18 months on up to £1260. Any assurance you won't slash the price by 1/3rd? (Laughter.)
Steve: "I don't think that's going to happen. But this is technology so you never know. We have no plans to change the pricing, but we guarantee it will change in the future just like all technology products. We're working on the next iPhone and the next one after that. That's what our customers expect."
Q: Do you feel a 2 megapixel would be a concern to European customers?
Steve: "No, the camera is great. More megapixels don't make a better camera, the iPhone is actually a great camera especially, with great lighting." Ok, sure, but isn't every camera a great camera if the subject is well lit?

Matthew: "On 1st October we'll be rolling those out for all out customers."
Steve: "It's the future."
And that's that! Steve and Mathew are all finished up here. Stay tuned for additional coverage of the O2 iPhone!





















Apple seriously need to get 3G, Edge in Europe doesnt cut it anymore.
Take your iPhone and shove it up your ar$e Jobs.
Oh dear. Can't believe Jobs flew over here for this announcement. If your setting out your stall to rip the Brits off yet again, at least announce it in a low key manner. Do some research for christ sake. There are already better and cheaper phones on the market here. And next month we have the SE K850i, The LG U990 released. Soon the Samsung F700, the new N95 8G and the SE W990i. All of which are better specced than the iPhone:
All manage to run on 3g with a better than 3 hour battery life
All have Cameras that can take pictures in reasonable light conditions( i.e. less bright than the Sun)
All have HSDPA and or Wifi, can email, play music and video (nevermind record video), and in the N95s case can navigate you home, without having to start off in an area covered by O2s fantastic 30% UK Edge coverage! And O2? Seriously? Don't get me started. They're terrible! They sponsor Arsenal for starters. I've been out of my contract for 3 months waiting for this announcement to see if I would be tempted. Looks like it's between the K850i and the LG U990 now.
Steve. C-. Must try harder (In the UK at least)
Here Here!
so the phone may cost £269 plus the tariff and yes a lot of other phones are free or cheaper with a contract but we are talking about the apple iphone!!! remember you can buy a pc for half the cost of a simple imac but the question is would you????
Stupidity Tax strikes again.
what network offers unlimited data for cheap?????????????????
what networks offer unlimited data for cheap????????????????
T-Mobile.... £7.50 add-on for unlimited useage (voip excluded)... and their handsets download on HSPDA, so 1.3mbps a sec..... I really don't know why anyone would buy an iPhone when you could get a great phone like a Vario2 or an N95 for next to nothing, and just buy a ipod touch with the leftovers?
3 UK is even cheaper, GBP 5 per month which can be added to any tariff for "unlimited" data (1gb fair use).
Great questions, ya'all.
iPhone vs. Nokia vs. SonyE vs. HTC Touch
or is it
OSX vs. Windows Mobile vs. Symbian OS vs. palm...
It took 2+ years to develop the iPhone, not for the hardware, but for the underlying software that makes it an awsum device, anyone who believes that the other brands/mobile.OS can beat the iPhone/OSX knows little.
The OS has 3 major cores that make the iPhone what it is today.
Core Audio : Mac OS X v10.3
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Core_Audio
Core Image : Mac OS X v10.4
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Core_Image
Core Animation : Mac OS X v10.5
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Core_Animation
These three cores are what makes the iPhone experience so amazing, CoreImage(Photo Viewing); CoreAudio(music/voice); CoreAnimation(Video a.k.a.CoreVideo/interactiveUI)
These technologies are used by industry professionals who use Apple softwares for their work: Final Cut(Video Editing); Logic(Audio); Shake(Special Effects and Animations).
So these are the pieces that not only cater to the iPhone but also to other softwares and the main MacOS experience that is appreciated by many.
Other mobile OS's do not have such a robust set of low level technologies in their innards. This is their real challenge, this is why iPhone scares every other brand. It makes them wonder about where to start, I believe they have to start from the ground, I have used Symbian:MicrosoftMobile:Palm none of them have been designed for the desktop while being optimized for a mobile device. Mac OSX Leopard can be held as the best release for having all the cores in union.
The best way to beat the iPhone is to have the right software 1st and the then build the hardware around it.
Hope this helps everyone figure out why Jobs is so confident about the iPhone being the best and ahead of its time.
One more thing...
I cud tell more but this should do. :P
Hmm.
To Apple guys:
(Background: I have lived in the US, UK and now live in Australia - so this is a "when you come down under..." rant)
* Next launch should be done in a staged theatre w/ theatre lighting. Steve looks like Al Bundy here.
* Those monthly prices won't fly in Australia (I suggest $50, $70 and $90, but I really want $30)
* You're right about 3G & data (carriers here are still trying to sell live-streaming test-cricket and video calls to float 3G). Mind-you, my inner child wants a reason to go 3G.
* Everyone here hates Telstra most of all (http://www.tellthetruthtelstra.com.au/), but yes, it's probably the best choice in AU for market-reach (and matches O2/T-Mobile as "ex-gov't monopoly provider" status).
1. Gay is not a synonym for bad, please get a brain.
2. What the hell is wrong with O2? Their customer service might be shonky, but if you don't need to deal with them, they have been offering the best plans in the UK since they were called Genie; and their coverage is fantastic.
Yes it is.
i want one!
and as soon as it comes out i'll grab one, so wanna take this box of toys apart and see what makes it tick!
Hmmm seems to me it's better & cheaper for UK residents to just buy an 8 GB iphone over in the us e.g. eBay or a friend near an apple store ($399 US =£200) and pay ~£30 for shipping than to buy it for £269 from O2!! Go figure..another attempt to squeeze the little consumer!
Cool no 3G for the brits. To all the would be prophets, You suck. Some of us Americans were dreading this announcement. We already felt the blow of the price hack and a 3G device would have devastated many of us. Even if it was across the pond.
Where could I buy a brand new 8GB Iphone from? I dont want ebay, anything other than that please guys. With warranty etc etc, thanx
Where could I buy the 8GB Iphone brand new with warranty etc from? except ebay, anything else is welcomed, thanx guys
From your nearest Rip-off store
Is someone covering the 4PM opening of the Regent Street store for business. If so what is the big deal for the prolonged closing O2 web site still down for maintenance must be running a Windoz server. Hope this bodes better for the wireless service than their internet presence.
If I were to buy an iPhone in the states, and then take it back to the UK and sign up to the o2 deal, would I get all the functions (ie. visual voicemail, etc) available to UK buyers?
Also like the idea of getting a Nokia N95 free, selling it on ebay, and then just buying the iPhone handset. Again, will the features work if my contract is for the N95?
18 month contract is also ridiculous. Assuming a next generation iPhone will be out (in the US at least) early next year, it'll be pretty irritating having an outdated phone so soon after launch.
How is it unlimited-net with a 1,400 pages a day limit?
Hey guys,
1400 pages is a page a minute per day that's means you spent all day downloading pages and then not reading any of the content. Then again you are on edge and you might not even get a page a minute. Find something else to gripe about. I've basically replaced my laptop with my iPhone and come nowhere near that type of usage. Another question for O2 what do you consider a page (xKB or xMB) as long as they cut you off when your daily limit is reached and not put you into overage usage billing which gets expensive real quick (AT&T $0.008/kb). This happened on my Laptap 3G card with a limited plan before my iPhone I was hit with a $3500.00 bill for over use. I got it reversed by claiming misrepresented usage requirements by the AT&T sales rep.
when using the internet through edge can i still receive phone calls or will it go to voice mail?
Thank You.
On Page 21 of the iPhone Users Guide it states:
Note: Because iPhone uses EDGE for the phone, you cannot use the Internet over EDGE
when you’re on a call. To talk on the phone and use Internet applications at the same
time, connect over a Wi-Fi network.
So the answer to your question is YES if browsing over Edge your calls will go to voice mail.
no... once you are you using edge to browse the net anyone who tries to ring you will be diverted to voice mail. you wont even know someone rang you.
this is not the case when using wifi.
i hope this helps.
so let me get this straight. if i am browsing the net over an edge connection and someone phones me i will have no way of knowing!!!
this is so stupid... it should at least ring and give me the option to either continue browsing or answer the call and end the internet browsing session.
anyone with an iphone can you please confirm what happens when you get called when you are browsing the web over an edge connection.
Thank You.
confirmed, thought I never realized this was the case till now
No 16Gig of storage? No 3G?
Lame!
Others have stated that firms like Nokia ALREADY have 3G phones with the batter life Steve mentions ON THE MARKET TODAY. This is sloppy engineering or just Apple not being competitive. All the other handset manufacturers are going to be gunning for them at xmas time.
Sounds too expensive to me.
Just look at the PS3. Sony had a huge fanbase and thought they could charge whatever they wanted. But now it's 3rd in sales... And is not really doing all that well.
Just you wait. It'll happen with iPhone as well.
mike from
www.iwannamakemoneyonline.com
Incredibly stupid about this is that Apple could have sold these phones at retail outlets unlocked worldwide from day one. Given their activation process, you could have just gone to a store put in a sim and away you go.
While I am sure the deals they are cutting are great, the iPhone could have been a huge worldwide success dominating the market on a scale not imagined before.
HOLY SHIT did steve make a forward looking statement! "3G needs to get back up to 5+ hours, something we think well see later next year."
Why all the complaining people?! Everyone knew that Apple was gonna charge full price for the iPhone from day one!
If you don't want to pay for it, then don't! Just buy the Blooming Nokia N95!
We all knew it would be the same price as the ipod touch as that is how it is price pointed in the US.
Plus even if you were to buy it in the US and ship in to the UK, don't for get the 17.5% VAT plus the Import duty on electronic devices at roughly 10-15% 0n top of the total price including shipping! Which is the reason the gadgets cost more here in the UK in the first place!
So that £200 ($399) plus the 17.5% plus the import duty at 15% actually comes to £270 if shipped for free!!!
...and to everyone who is saying it won't sell in the UK, just think about the 1,000,000 sold in the US already!
The Nokia N95 has sold 1.5m units in 3 months. Same as the iPhone!
yes the N95 has sold a lot of units. But how many of those were paid for at full retail price locked down to just 1 network? The N95 is sold with price plans across many networks at a greatly subsidised price. So it doesn't really compare to the iPhone.
@Rob
only Apple can be so unethical as to only sell from one network and not to sell SIM free devices so we don't really know the real price. The N95 was not available from all networks within the 3 months I quoted. Also in the first three months of the N95 availability it was not free either and the SIM free price was $1000, so not too cheap. The point is without the Apple hype Nokia sold the N95 is large volume becuase it has some great features.
I don't dispute the N95's features. All I'm saying is everyone is free to make their own informed decision. Apple have always made quality desirable products.
The iPhone is some new and innovative that even Nokia admit they intend to copy and I quote "If there is something good in the world then we copy with pride." Anssi Vanjoki -- Nokia's Executive VP & General Manager of Multimedia. speaking of the iPhone. Read for yourself Nokia iPhone So yes I would buy an iPhone over the N95. And Don't see anything wrong with the way Apple choose to market it. Plus I'm pretty certain it wasn't only Apple's idea, but the network provider wanted it that way!
So feel free to hate Apple. Hey, I hate PCs, but you won't find me wasting my time searching for threads so I can slag them off!
got to say in the defense of the iphone is that its the single greatest piece of technology I have ever used. I am super happy with it, even at edge speeds, even with a few drawbacks.
Strangely considering its apple, I think the weak spot is Apple's marketing. I had to switch my carrier of 10 years to use the iPhone. I was willing but I am sure that other will not be. Apple simply should have a version for every carrier and have versions for each protocol in the world. I am sure they will get there, but I hate to see it so highly priced that others don't get to experience the amazing interface and total device experience.
Mistakes of the past...
Apple always made great products with very few exceptions. But Apple has also fallen over its own greed time and again. Over wanting to control everything and over wanting to get all the profits.
With the iPhone they are headed in a similar direction. Let's say the iPhone costs as much as a N95 retail in order to Apple to make a good profit. Why not then just offer it like any other phone: $800 or something unlocked, a lot cheaper of even free with contracts currently out there. They could let the phone companies deal with the scam that is the subsidized phone, and didn't need to participate.
And they would sell a hell of a lot more phones, world-wide.
I think Apple is repeating mistakes of the past here.
Limiting their own sales potential world-wide. Letting others make the profits that come from demand. iPhone sells for $900 unlocked here in SE Asia - that's a profit that Apple could be making instead of shady middle men.
Other than the fact you might no be able to activate the O2 sim card on an AT&T iphone. And although unlocking seems to be pretty universal at this point, I would bet MONEY that apple is forced to lock them down again via a firmware update (which mind you, you may be able to avoid -- but then you wont get any updates for bugs, errors, performance increase, added features like video recording, MMS, etc)
To be honest, Apple will need a great deal more, both hardware and software-wise than a shiny design and a few good PIM apps to lure me away from this (which is also very competitively priced):
http://www.hidebookmarks.com/?fc4ic6fmaa
HTC do leaps and bounds when it comes to features and ultimately, that's where I want to see my money go.
To Estonia iPhone???
It's really a shame Apple is tying their boat to all these money-grabbing telecom companies, when they should let their customers choose which carrier to be raped by.
I only hope the Google phone ad-supported rumor is a reality and consumers will have a choice that doesn't involve a telecom provider with their onerous contracts and excessive monthly plans and fees.
Way to expensive....
As well as missing:
- 3G & 3.5G
- in-built GPS
- stereo Bluetooth support
the iPhone will suspend your web browsing when on a call and if you are using EDGE and there is a call it will be sent to voicemail! Most 3G phones can handle calls and web browsing at the same time. The iPhone UI is good but its still such a backward step in technology.
Stay tuned to Engadget for more petty nit-picking jaded cynical coverage of the O2 iPhone.