Wasn't strictly meant as a troll but to smile and sit quiet while thousands of people live in misery and are tortured and murdered and then us cheerily send presents and not comment to prevent 'uneasiness' and controversy, I dunno, is that so ideal?
And I am responding to the item, didn't start it out of the blue, but yeah responding might lead to all kinds of pointless fights, so it's probably best to not feed this little rant of mine, won't change anybody's view anyway, I can't change theirs, you can't so quickly change mine.
I don't want this to turn into a debate over politics either but yeesh...Just because you don't support the war is no reason to wish harm on the people who are doing what they are told to do.
I personally do not agree with the politics of the war or the atrocities that are committed because of it (on both sides) but still that is no reason to wish harm on those who are caught up in the middle of it.
Doing what they are told to do? anybody that's signed up now signed up while bush was in power and had his show going, it's a voluntary army and as such they chose to do what they do.
But truth be told I guess I don't care that much about the iraqi people either, I mostly don't like the pretense that there's anything good about what 'we' are doing, or the people we have doing it, it's so sickeningly nonsensical. I am not going to pretend they are 'our' 'heroes' doing 'good' things for 'peace' and 'democracy', because we bloody well know that's BS.
It wouldn't surprise me to see the RIAA/MPAA secretly load up defective Sony batteries in these things so that they can then release a press release about how al-qaeda now uses "piracy" to achieve their means, and that is why we must all stop download Britney Spears' new single or we shall all surely die!
I currently reside in Texas, and have disliked Bush since day one. I am constantly ridiculed (due to my political opinions) because of my current local, but that is neither here nor there. Two things I wanted to bring up real quick...
Wwhat "anybody that's signed up now signed up while bush was in power and had his show going"
First, I hope you understand that every time a new president comes into power, the entire military is not cleansed and you must reenlist ONLY if you support the new Commander and Chief.
Second, I would like you to sign up for any branch of your choosing and then get back to me on the whole "they chose to do what they do" thing. Let me know how that works out when you’re under fire via drill sergeant or 7.62×39 mm round .
You do realise bush has been president for some time now right? way longer than the time you normally sign up for. Plus perhaps you are right, perhaps if I was a fool and stepped in such a foolish endeavor as joining the army I'd be screwed, but hey I'd be the one that made that silly choice. And It's not about specifically hating individuals in the army, it's just that if you actively support madness there's nothing wrong with getting a little verbal flak, rather than (misplaced) pity.
Oh and I hear they spend half a billion a day on Iraq, do they really need people's handouts? they do get payed too you know, and even have internet, people act like it's freaking WW1 here.
You do realize bush has been president for some time now right? way longer than the time you normally sign up for. When I said they chose what they do I meant the signing up, and that's still voluntary last I heard.
Plus perhaps you are right, perhaps if I was a fool and stepped in such a foolish endeavor as joining the army I'd be screwed, but hey I'd be the one that made that silly choice. And It's not about specifically hating individuals in the army, it's just that if you actively support madness there's nothing wrong with getting a little verbal flak, rather than (misplaced) pity.
Oh and I hear they spend half a billion a day on Iraq, do they really need people's handouts? they do get payed too you know, and even have internet, people act like it's freaking WW1 here
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." --John Stuart Mill, English economist & philosopher (1806 - 1873)
I learned this philosophy as an Air Force Academy cadet in 1991. I served my time, got out, joined Dept of Homeland Security, left there and now serve as a civilian with Dept of Defense.
Let me tell you, the people I've served with, military, civilian & contractor, are some of the sharpest and best people I've known. To question their intellect, minimize their sacrifice or cast dispersion on their character is a crime of inestimable proportions.
Wwhat, you are a coward. You mock and ridicule a class of hero you do not understand solely based on -- you know what, I won't even pretend to understand why you do it. I won't presume to tell you or anyone else your intentions or motivations because I can not relate to nor can I understand them. However, from what I gather -- based solely on what you've revealed in your tirade -- you're perfectly content to allow someone else to defend your privilege as an American citizen and to guarantee the "rights" that came with your birth. And you feel justified in mocking them. Behavior like that is the lowest form of humanity; the justified malcontent, the privileged pansy that I and others like me have accidentally sworn to protect and defend with our blood and lives while we choose to serve those who proudly wear the name and title "American".
It's an unpopular call, but it is what it is: like so many other things in this war - total disregard for international law, by packing that thing with movies and music.
Balance out your enthusiasm with the amazingly eye-opening Rolling Stone article called "The Great Iraq Swindle," it really brought me down and personally, I say bring all the troops back and let the Bush/Halliburton private "Blackwater" corporate armys take the heat - they are definitely getting enough money to pay for their own movies and music:
Hey doriangray, it's not your picture in the attic that's showing ugliness. Hitler was also in the army, long before he became dictator, he's also a "a class of hero" is he then?well since you were in homeland security I guess you think so. To think or even try to argue just anybody that is in an army, like the idiots in iraq, are 'heroes' goes beyond ridiculous I must say, even if they were to do something brave they do it in a harmful manner for a bad cause and I'd be more impressed if they had the courage to say NO, now that would be heroic, but that is too tall an order of course.
One thing though, in the interest of (not quite) full disclosure, I'm not an american, I'm an european from a country that has troops in afghanistan and I think a handful of cop trainers in iraq.
Oh and by me naming the NAZI's this concludes this thread, you know the rule ;) So don't even try to come with the BS 'we freed your continent' because it were americans FIGHTING fascism that freed europe, not people that ENFORCED fascism, it's a completely different breed.
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Hope the thing has a sony battery and explodes at arrival, but that's just me.
WTF? Dude! Not cool!
I should support bush's assassins? Thanks but no thanks.
Don't feed the trolls, please.
Wasn't strictly meant as a troll but to smile and sit quiet while thousands of people live in misery and are tortured and murdered and then us cheerily send presents and not comment to prevent 'uneasiness' and controversy, I dunno, is that so ideal?
And I am responding to the item, didn't start it out of the blue, but yeah responding might lead to all kinds of pointless fights, so it's probably best to not feed this little rant of mine, won't change anybody's view anyway, I can't change theirs, you can't so quickly change mine.
I don't want this to turn into a debate over politics either but yeesh...Just because you don't support the war is no reason to wish harm on the people who are doing what they are told to do.
I personally do not agree with the politics of the war or the atrocities that are committed because of it (on both sides) but still that is no reason to wish harm on those who are caught up in the middle of it.
*EOM*
Doing what they are told to do? anybody that's signed up now signed up while bush was in power and had his show going, it's a voluntary army and as such they chose to do what they do.
But truth be told I guess I don't care that much about the iraqi people either, I mostly don't like the pretense that there's anything good about what 'we' are doing, or the people we have doing it, it's so sickeningly nonsensical.
I am not going to pretend they are 'our' 'heroes' doing 'good' things for 'peace' and 'democracy', because we bloody well know that's BS.
It wouldn't surprise me to see the RIAA/MPAA secretly load up defective Sony batteries in these things so that they can then release a press release about how al-qaeda now uses "piracy" to achieve their means, and that is why we must all stop download Britney Spears' new single or we shall all surely die!
hehe
@Wwhat
I currently reside in Texas, and have disliked Bush since day one. I am constantly ridiculed (due to my political opinions) because of my current local, but that is neither here nor there.
Two things I wanted to bring up real quick...
Wwhat "anybody that's signed up now signed up while bush was in power and had his show going"
First, I hope you understand that every time a new president comes into power, the entire military is not cleansed and you must reenlist ONLY if you support the new Commander and Chief.
Second, I would like you to sign up for any branch of your choosing and then get back to me on the whole "they chose to do what they do" thing. Let me know how that works out when you’re under fire via drill sergeant or 7.62×39 mm round .
Thanks in advance
Wesburl
You do realise bush has been president for some time now right? way longer than the time you normally sign up for.
Plus perhaps you are right, perhaps if I was a fool and stepped in such a foolish endeavor as joining the army I'd be screwed, but hey I'd be the one that made that silly choice.
And It's not about specifically hating individuals in the army, it's just that if you actively support madness there's nothing wrong with getting a little verbal flak, rather than (misplaced) pity.
Oh and I hear they spend half a billion a day on Iraq, do they really need people's handouts? they do get payed too you know, and even have internet, people act like it's freaking WW1 here.
You do realize bush has been president for some time now right? way longer than the time you normally sign up for.
When I said they chose what they do I meant the signing up, and that's still voluntary last I heard.
Plus perhaps you are right, perhaps if I was a fool and stepped in such a foolish endeavor as joining the army I'd be screwed, but hey I'd be the one that made that silly choice.
And It's not about specifically hating individuals in the army, it's just that if you actively support madness there's nothing wrong with getting a little verbal flak, rather than (misplaced) pity.
Oh and I hear they spend half a billion a day on Iraq, do they really need people's handouts? they do get payed too you know, and even have internet, people act like it's freaking WW1 here
Don't feed the trolls, please.
Seems people subscribed to this thread just to vote me down, guess bush has his browncoat wannabes eager and ready, all they need is the signal.
@Wwhat
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." --John Stuart Mill, English economist & philosopher (1806 - 1873)
I learned this philosophy as an Air Force Academy cadet in 1991. I served my time, got out, joined Dept of Homeland Security, left there and now serve as a civilian with Dept of Defense.
Let me tell you, the people I've served with, military, civilian & contractor, are some of the sharpest and best people I've known. To question their intellect, minimize their sacrifice or cast dispersion on their character is a crime of inestimable proportions.
Wwhat, you are a coward. You mock and ridicule a class of hero you do not understand solely based on -- you know what, I won't even pretend to understand why you do it. I won't presume to tell you or anyone else your intentions or motivations because I can not relate to nor can I understand them. However, from what I gather -- based solely on what you've revealed in your tirade -- you're perfectly content to allow someone else to defend your privilege as an American citizen and to guarantee the "rights" that came with your birth. And you feel justified in mocking them. Behavior like that is the lowest form of humanity; the justified malcontent, the privileged pansy that I and others like me have accidentally sworn to protect and defend with our blood and lives while we choose to serve those who proudly wear the name and title "American".
Go back to your hole. The other gollums miss you.
It's an unpopular call, but it is what it is: like so many other things in this war - total disregard for international law, by packing that thing with movies and music.
Balance out your enthusiasm with the amazingly eye-opening Rolling Stone article called "The Great Iraq Swindle," it really brought me down and personally, I say bring all the troops back and let the Bush/Halliburton private "Blackwater" corporate armys take the heat - they are definitely getting enough money to pay for their own movies and music:
www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/16076312/the_great_iraq_swindle
Hey doriangray, it's not your picture in the attic that's showing ugliness.
Hitler was also in the army, long before he became dictator, he's also a "a class of hero" is he then?well since you were in homeland security I guess you think so.
To think or even try to argue just anybody that is in an army, like the idiots in iraq, are 'heroes' goes beyond ridiculous I must say, even if they were to do something brave they do it in a harmful manner for a bad cause and I'd be more impressed if they had the courage to say NO, now that would be heroic, but that is too tall an order of course.
One thing though, in the interest of (not quite) full disclosure, I'm not an american, I'm an european from a country that has troops in afghanistan and I think a handful of cop trainers in iraq.
Oh and by me naming the NAZI's this concludes this thread, you know the rule ;)
So don't even try to come with the BS 'we freed your continent' because it were americans FIGHTING fascism that freed europe, not people that ENFORCED fascism, it's a completely different breed.