I think both these products, ipod and zune suck, what do you think of that? Maybe I have strange ideas in what I want in a PMP.. I don't know. But I want an AM tuner, the ability to record from said tuner, larger flash drives, faster cpu's, and a rugged design that's built to last and protect my files. 1 drop = ipod death, at least it was for me. Overall though I have chosen Ipod historically, so maybe I will give a zune a try. As long as the thing doesn't try and tell me I can't play my own tunes after 3 days, I will personally wage jihad on microsoft if they pulled some shit like that.
Orpheus my friend, surely you aren't threatening me with grievous bodily harm or death are you? Thank God I'm well armed and work for the FBI out of the Chicago Field Office or I might actually be scared of you. Internet Tuffguys are scarey!!!!
Oh dude, don't piss that guy off. He'll totally tear you a new one on his LiveJournal.
So revamping your product line from top to bottom with dyed aluminum casing (even the touch has black aluminum around it's huge screen) is an incoherent redesign? Over puke-ass green and a red that looks like an old woman's lipstick?
@Kinowolf: As far as I can tell, Apple revamped their line with black that looks like industrial sludge and a silver that resembles the shackles used to bring the Africans over to the states to be sold for slavery. Yes, you can think of something horrid for any color.
And I believe he meant incoherent in terms of the Nano getting pug fugly, the classic not changing a significant bit since the first iPod, and the Touch being a handicapped iPhone knockoff. That screams laziness. The Zunes, however, got significantly better - the touch interface changed, flash-based Zunes were released (and look pretty nice might I add), the original's design got refined, AND the original Zune got a free upgrade to 2.0 software. That's significant and well thought out.
Might just get me a flash-Zune to compliment my 80gb iPod Classic.
The Zunes got significantly better... by catching up with Apple design? Saying the Zune is better because the iPod isn't as far ahead is pretty backwards logic. I agree that the iPod touch needs more space (at least 30GB) to really take the lead, but we know that with Apple it's right around the corner. With Zune? A year later we have pretty much the same design in a few more colors.
Coming up with bad adjectives for a color isn't the problem, the problem is that the colors aren't aesthetically pleasing. And the shackles of slaves in the colonial period wouldn't have been polished or even brushed metal, they would have been dull wrought iron or even black.
@Kinowolf: What of the Zune reminds you of the iPod? The vertical screen or the wireless sync?
I mentioned nothing of "catching up to Apple design". In fact, Apple design went DOWN this revision - have you tried the new UI? I own a classic and owned a 30gb video - the new interface is horridly slow and damn near unusable coming out of sleep mode. So, I suppose you might think that Apple design is actually catching up with the Zune, in the fact that it's getting worse.
I, however, believe that the Zune's design this revision was fantastic - a whole new player, new touchpad, new interface, more codecs, but the most important is that the 1st adopters get a FREE UPGRADE - something Apple would never do. That is significant, and goes light years past Apple's intentions. The Touch might have gotten Apple out of this one, but it is a handicapped iPhone clone with pitiful storage for a serious DAP.
I always found wireless sync to be really funny. If you're close enough to your computer to wirelessly sync, why not just put it in a dock? And if you need to sync it means you've changed your computer's library... so aren't you already sitting next to your computer? Honestly think about it. As for FM tuner, who still listens to the radio?
As for the touch, negatively comparing it to another Apple product is a pretty weak argument, but I also agree that it needs more memory (at least 30 GB) to really pull ahead of the pack in terms of features. Even as a Mac/iPod user I'm critical of Apple (I'm glad Amazon MP3 was able to push DRM-free music for example and will probably use it until Apple drops DRM), but one product's shortcomings don't automatically become a competitor's strength. If I say I'm 6'1" and I'm really 6', it doesn't change the fact that you're 5'10".
Just because you don't use the FM Tuner, a million others like me would totally welcome one either on their phone or mp3 player. I have no clue what the ipod and iphone have against FM tuner. That's just one of the reason why it's holding me back from purhasing an ipod or an iphone because of their restrictions to it's owners.
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Microsoft Zune: Very nice complimentary colors and design.
Apple: shoddy incoherent looking product mix
Microsoft +1 IMO... now market the hell out of it... seriously I'd like one of each.
It's Microsoft Bob! Where you been Bob? Microsoft call you out of retirement to shill for their new baby, eh?
lol MIcrosoft Bob!! too funny..
I think both these products, ipod and zune suck, what do you think of that? Maybe I have strange ideas in what I want in a PMP.. I don't know. But I want an AM tuner, the ability to record from said tuner, larger flash drives, faster cpu's, and a rugged design that's built to last and protect my files. 1 drop = ipod death, at least it was for me. Overall though I have chosen Ipod historically, so maybe I will give a zune a try. As long as the thing doesn't try and tell me I can't play my own tunes after 3 days, I will personally wage jihad on microsoft if they pulled some shit like that.
But I want people who use "said" so unnecessarily and pretentiously to die.
Orpheus my friend, surely you aren't threatening me with grievous bodily harm or death are you? Thank God I'm well armed and work for the FBI out of the Chicago Field Office or I might actually be scared of you. Internet Tuffguys are scarey!!!!
Oh dude, don't piss that guy off. He'll totally tear you a new one on his LiveJournal.
So revamping your product line from top to bottom with dyed aluminum casing (even the touch has black aluminum around it's huge screen) is an incoherent redesign? Over puke-ass green and a red that looks like an old woman's lipstick?
@Kinowolf:
As far as I can tell, Apple revamped their line with black that looks like industrial sludge and a silver that resembles the shackles used to bring the Africans over to the states to be sold for slavery. Yes, you can think of something horrid for any color.
And I believe he meant incoherent in terms of the Nano getting pug fugly, the classic not changing a significant bit since the first iPod, and the Touch being a handicapped iPhone knockoff. That screams laziness. The Zunes, however, got significantly better - the touch interface changed, flash-based Zunes were released (and look pretty nice might I add), the original's design got refined, AND the original Zune got a free upgrade to 2.0 software. That's significant and well thought out.
Might just get me a flash-Zune to compliment my 80gb iPod Classic.
@ Tom
The Zunes got significantly better... by catching up with Apple design? Saying the Zune is better because the iPod isn't as far ahead is pretty backwards logic. I agree that the iPod touch needs more space (at least 30GB) to really take the lead, but we know that with Apple it's right around the corner. With Zune? A year later we have pretty much the same design in a few more colors.
Coming up with bad adjectives for a color isn't the problem, the problem is that the colors aren't aesthetically pleasing. And the shackles of slaves in the colonial period wouldn't have been polished or even brushed metal, they would have been dull wrought iron or even black.
@Kinowolf:
What of the Zune reminds you of the iPod? The vertical screen or the wireless sync?
I mentioned nothing of "catching up to Apple design". In fact, Apple design went DOWN this revision - have you tried the new UI? I own a classic and owned a 30gb video - the new interface is horridly slow and damn near unusable coming out of sleep mode. So, I suppose you might think that Apple design is actually catching up with the Zune, in the fact that it's getting worse.
I, however, believe that the Zune's design this revision was fantastic - a whole new player, new touchpad, new interface, more codecs, but the most important is that the 1st adopters get a FREE UPGRADE - something Apple would never do. That is significant, and goes light years past Apple's intentions. The Touch might have gotten Apple out of this one, but it is a handicapped iPhone clone with pitiful storage for a serious DAP.
I always found wireless sync to be really funny. If you're close enough to your computer to wirelessly sync, why not just put it in a dock? And if you need to sync it means you've changed your computer's library... so aren't you already sitting next to your computer? Honestly think about it. As for FM tuner, who still listens to the radio?
As for the touch, negatively comparing it to another Apple product is a pretty weak argument, but I also agree that it needs more memory (at least 30 GB) to really pull ahead of the pack in terms of features. Even as a Mac/iPod user I'm critical of Apple (I'm glad Amazon MP3 was able to push DRM-free music for example and will probably use it until Apple drops DRM), but one product's shortcomings don't automatically become a competitor's strength. If I say I'm 6'1" and I'm really 6', it doesn't change the fact that you're 5'10".
@ Kinowolf
Just because you don't use the FM Tuner, a million others like me would totally welcome one either on their phone or mp3 player. I have no clue what the ipod and iphone have against FM tuner. That's just one of the reason why it's holding me back from purhasing an ipod or an iphone because of their restrictions to it's owners.
An FM Tuner is dead weight. Seriously, Apple is doing you a favor.