Well lookey see here, sounds like v1.1.1 isn't all doom and gloom after all. The iPhone dev community's apparently not only
moved past accessing the nigh-unbreakable file system protections
Apple implemented in the latest
iPhone and iPod touch firmwares, they've also managed to hack the SpringBoard app into shape enough to properly launch 3rd party apps (which were, as expected, recompiled to function with the new iPhone frameworks). The iPod touch has apparently also been hacked for root access, and apparently those freshly recompiled apps are functioning there as well. But it's still not without some bad news: unfortunately, it sounds like most (if not all) of these new hacks rely solely on that single TIFF exploit in Mobile Safari, meaning that everyone's back to square one the moment Apple beams v1.1.2 to the public at large.
Read - Hacker toc2rta confirms the exploit and functionality
Read - iPhone jailbroken, apps installed
Read - iPod touch jailbroken
posted October 8th 2007 10:24PM
Mmmno it's not a valid point just because you say it is. Read what you want to read. Either you're lazy, or you don't have a scroll button on your mouse/ability to use window scrollers.
That or you have some sort of complexity in real life pertaining to being dramatic and gaining attention. I suppose we should stop feeding that monster, but you have to agree with the fact that nobody is going to support your argument here.
It's about making money there ace.
Engadget and the Weblogs Network aren't there because a new tech news outlet was needed.
They drive revenue. iPhones drive traffic. Traffic drives clicks. clicks drive dollar signs.
If you don't like it, I suggest you and the rest of you that don't want Apple stories like this to start supporting the economy of the 'click' on news stories that you feel ARE worth your time.
Until then, Apple users, typically with larger disposable gadget incomes, will easily have the upper hand in dictating the content.
::shrugs::
I'm sorry you find the non-Apple feed not up to your standards. I don't know what else to tell you. I'm almost ready to be done with iPhone news because I'm sick of having to listen to people like you prattle on in the comments section.
Engadget has bent over backwards to accommodate both parties, and if you don't think the iPhone is relevant news, perhaps find a tech blog that doesn't cover it like this.
P.S. Here's a clue, if you don't like, just scroll past it. Personally I could give a crap about the digital camera reviews, they almost never show anything I can afford, but I don't feel the need to show up in the comments section exasperated that it was a blog posting I didn't enjoy. Just a little scroll dude... It works on the mouse or the keyboard.
I don't have a point?
So, if it were some other product that garnered this ridiculous level of coverage, people like yourself wouldn't be annoyed? Just because this is an Apple product doesn't warrant the level of coverage it gets and, as I have touched on, were it any other product it wouldn't.
So, given that last time I checked Engadget was not supposedly an Apple- or iPhone-dedicated site, why should this one product get so much attention?
Also, why even if it is getting so much attention, why is it getting it for points that, frankly, aren't in any way special? Wow, you can use your own ringtones - it's only a standard feature on every other phone on the market, so where are the stories on every other phone just because you can choose your own ringtones?
I do have a point. Not because I say so but because there are a huge number of essentially useless iPhone stories get posted.
Also, as you so succinctly put it, you saying my point isn't valid doesn't make it so.
The only thing you managed to get right was the complete lack of support I'll find in here - because the only people who'll be looking at this are those who have an iPhone, the rest of us (the majority) are expected to just put up with the spam and move on.
@Adam: whilst I can't argue about your point regarding revenue, that doesn't the fact that the coverage on Engadget isn't well beyond a farce. Far beyond what is necessary, even from the point of view of the mighty dollar.
As for Engadget bending over backwards, at the very least they could limit this spam to the EngadgetMobile section, what with the iPhone actually being a mobile phone and all (I know, shock horror - it's just a phone).
But, they don't, they actually post it in both - overkill would be an understatement.
Also, you say you're sick of reading comments like mine on iPhone-related 'news' stories, do you not think that the fact that such comments keep appearing means that maybe there is a point to them? People wouldn't be complaining all the time if the coverage wasn't so grossly disproportionate.
P.S. thank you for getting all condescending at the end - it was, up until that point, a nice and well-reasoned response (very much in the minority in that respect), it's a shame you felt the need to finish it like you did.
lain, no it's not valid, really, because why would they post so many articles on the iPhone if the iPhone wasn't a gadget that is
(1) newsworthy
and
(2) will generate hits by posting about it?
What you're doing is akin to someone complaining that Engadget is heavily biased towards high-tech gadgets, when there are so many fantastic low-tech gadgets out there that they could cover (blender, juicer, rice-cooker--although the last could be quite high-tech). Yeah, sure, but not enough people are interested in them to warrant heavy coverage.
Conversely, if enough people weren't interested/invested in the iPhone, Engadget wouldn't be posting about it this much.
In a nutshell, the very fact that Engadget (and--let's face it pal--most high-tech gadget blogs worth their salt) IS making multiple posts about the iPhone, and that those posts are generating hits, in and of it self JUSTIFIES the heavy coverage.
So, what can you do to "rectify" the situation (in your eyes)?
Well, really only one effective way, and that is to skip over the article, and NOT click on the article link hence adding to the hit count, and certainly NOT to come all the way down to the comments section and adding to the comments count to boot.
Just my .02 worth of friendly advice.
i think it's suffice to say that somebody here doesn't recognise a popular product when it's staring right into his face
and since he doesn't recognise it he also thinks that other people don't recognise it, and that people who think that it's popular must be outta their minds.
Dude, try not to be a retard. Checking engadget's RSS feed right now yields a whole two iphone articles out of the forty one articles total.
If thats too much to handle perhaps you should just go away and leave the rest of us in peace.
hey buddy,
lets just say. You open up your house for a party FOR FREE. You provide food, entertainment FOR FREE. And for a party to be successful, it needs people. And to attract people, it needs food/entertainment that PEOPLE want. Oh, don't forget you are providing it for FREE.
Lets say. Everyone likes beef burgers. MOST people like beef burgers. So naturally, u provide beef burgers. Oh, don't forget, you are providing it for FREE. Why? So more people will come to your party.
Then. Then some idiot, comes into YOUR party, and demands VEGGIE burgers. Why? Cause he is a vegetarian. He says that the party is biased towards vegans and that everywhere is filled with beef. YET. In some failed logic, he failed to notice that it is not HIS party and people are providing, food/entertainment for FREE yet he is making such a big fuss over what HE wants. Remember, its YOUR party! YOU are giving all of this for FREE! And some guy comes and complain that there are no veggie burgers and that the whole party should be meat free. Idiot don't you think? He can just go to another party where there are probably more veggie burgers YET he stays around and bitches to YOU about how stupid and biased your party is by providing beef burgers.
Now, my question to you lain, is how will YOU feel if you were the guy hosting the party? What will YOU feel about the guy? Yea, whatever YOU feel, is what the engadget writers feel.
P/S: if you think, for whatever reason, that the vegan guy is correct in this matter, then, i can only hope that you see the light one day.
Dear Lain, (or is it "Lame" or maybe "Bill"?)
Quit your bitching, go grab a WinMo phone, then cry yourself to sleep in the corner with your $300 Gateway Laptop and Pink Zune. We're moving on now.
Sincerely,
Engadget Fans (who remember why Engadget is here...)
Dear Engadget Writers,
Keep it coming!!!
Thank you,
Engadget Fans
Fuck Apple.
Here is the TIFF exploit explained
http://tinyurl.com/2ked79
Give up Apple........ Iphone is unlocked again
You give up, we'll lock it again tommorow
- Apple
PS: next update will include a new feature: if you try to hack it, it will display a crying animation and say "you don't love me and you want Apple to die and Microsoft to win".
We're sure that will deter those hardcore Apple fans.
We're not quite sure what to do with those who just wanted a good smart phone though.
Yeah right. but until then... you keep jackin off while day dreaming on licking Jobs' arse
Breaking: iPhone 1.1.2 on UK phones this november. America still pending on it... (Just you wait...)
If apple blocks or patches the update this will be PROOF of their rejection of the open-source iphone community. Disagree? Please reply.
Let's see, this entire process relies on a "TIFF exploit in Mobile Safari." Maybe, just maybe, Apple will (should) block exploits available through Mobile Safari because ithey represent a security risk to anyone using Mobile Safari?
Very true, they should also acknowledge this in some way (like the warning on the last update). I'm sorry, i was just ranting, and hadn't thought this through!
Why dont they develop custom firmware for the already hacked iPhones!!! Learn from the PSP community!
Well this all brings back memories of my Psion Series 5 back in 1999, it did support 3rd party apps and they looked good at first but there was always something special about official Psion apps. Official apps would ultimately be the ones you went back to.
On this note why doesn’t Apple just bring out a catalogue of official apps (for iPhone and iPod) developed by their devs, downloadable from iTunes costing a few £ each. I'd feel much more comfortable. 90% of the official apps are much better than 3rd parties and you've got the Apple apps updates through iTunes.
Don't get me wrong they should allow 3rd Party apps as well, but if Apple do their dev work properly official apps will appeal to a wider audience. I just think Apple is up their own bottom at the moment trying to claw back revenue, don’t be scared Apple if your as good as you say you are your apps will shine through (just don’t take the piss with the price, micro payment, means micro ‘small’).
Open it up, Apple. If someone screws up their iphone then they can hit the magic reset to factory defaults button. You CAN do that, right? It's not that hard.
And why does everyone give AT&T a pass on this whole ordeal!?
I hope Apple as soon as possible update the iPod Touch and iPhone to stop this.
Hacking something like this relies on teamwork. Besides, it would be questionable for someone to release a jailbreak program that does things to your iPhone/Touch without telling you what it actually does.
This is a non-issue, Apple would figure out what is going on anyway.
"If apple blocks or patches the update this will be PROOF of their rejection of the open-source iphone community."
No, this is actually a security vulnerability that should be patched. And I say that as a Touch owner really, really, really looking forward to a jailbreak.
All of this hoopla and attention should kick Apple into gear with an official SDK and 3rd party software solution though, if the rumors are true that something is in the works.
And even if it isn't, Apple will try to hand out more goodies to encourage people to update next time. So people can decide which is better- more Apple features, or more non-Apple features.
Don't click on his link, it's spam.
One of those super annoying get a free iPod Touch scams
Well it good news so far may have been a jail break as you call it for apps and stuff but I guess with the release of v1.1.2 those apps running days will be over. Nonetheless good work to the guys I am sure we get it running soon enough. In the meantime I just be putting more movies,music & games on my iPod / iTouch at http://www.ipodtunesdownloads.com
ok so what the deal with this whole jailbreak thing. just a couple questions please answer
1. if you jailbreak your ipod touch and void the warranty can you simply reverse this by restoring it or is that not how it works
2. Does doing this change your space on the ipod or just change the internal system.{how does it work]
3. how can i prevent my ipod from being bricked afterwards
$ and the last one is if you use the latest jailbreak via www.jailbreakme.com can you still use itunes or do you have to change something
SORRY THIS IS ALOT OF QUESTIONS BUT I WOULD BE VERY THANKFUL IF SOMEONE COULD ANSWER THEM FOR ME