Leopard release: October 26th
By Ryan Block 
posted Oct 16th 2007 8:31AM
posted Oct 16th 2007 8:31AM
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FINALLY!!
So green nature photography now is "Vista-style"?
"So green nature photography now is "Vista-style"?"
Why not, if drop shadow or white-shiny is "Apple-style".
I would prefer neither side is ridiculous about minor details, but if we can't have that, at least we can put some balance in the picture. Leopard *is* trying to appear shinier than Vista.
It's another question if it was worth it.
http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/developer/
page cannot be found...
leopard "developer" and "technology" pages can't be found.
http://www.apple.com/macosx/developer/
happy?
heres tech if you want it to...
http://www.apple.com/macosx/technology/
ok... i guess i visited the last 5 minutes of apple.com/macosx/leopard/
before the new page was there...
Or the Edu price of $69. Awesome.
Eh, WTF Apple? $119? Edu has always been $69. In fact I checked Tiger yesterday just to verify. First you take away Edu for iPods, it never exists for iPhone, and now you add $50 to your OS?
Haters.
Where does one find the edu price?
I must say that I am extremely unhappy about this, as well. Of course, I'll still buy it, and that's what Apple's counting on. :(
I guess too many college students were taking advantage and Apple felt it could raise its profit margins a bit.
as if they were having less profits ...ha .....
Just a reminder, it could be worse. You could be using Vista Ultimate at $399 and have a far inferior OS.
but....windows comes out every 5 years or so...os X comes out every 1-2 years so pricewise it is almost the dam same.
@Leo Pard: My educational discount allowed me to buy Vista Ultimate for $15. I also get all Vista Service Packs for free.
My University's Computer Science program is part of MSDN Academic Alliance, so I got Vista Business (and XP, Visual Studio Pro, Visio,...) for FREE and Office 2007 for only $20
I'm not seeing Apple be anywhere near as generous to us near-broke students.
@t-bone
Which service packs have you been paying for?
@Tony: Microsoft hasn't charged for a single one and clearly don't intend to charge for service packs in the near future. I love getting my OS upgraded for free.
Yeah, it says $119 on the Apple education website, but I just called my university computer shop and they said they'd have it for $69. Got my copy reserved!
@ Leo Pard: Or get a linux distro, an ever supperior OS, for free.
Definitely awesome. I just called and ordered it up today for 69 beans. Have it next Friday.
Just wish I had time to install it then. We'll be kicking some Buckeye ass next weekend. Darn.
You guys really need to check your facts. Universities often have deals with companies like Apple and Microsoft to give discounts on their products to ease the process of updating every campus-owned computer. If your university has a program like this (chances are, it does), you will get a much greater discount because part of your tuition goes to such discounts. If you're reserving your product straight from Apple, their website can't determine which schools have their update program, so you get stuck with the much smaller run-of-the-mill educational discount.
Also, the comment "Upgrade price? You're kidding, right... this is Apple" amazes me considering the $299 upgrade price tag on Vista Ultimate. How much lower do you expect them to go, Ryan? Get your head out of your ass and stop bashing Apple like you actually have a valid point. Stop trying to please the haters.
What do you mean the edu price is $69
Here is the education discount link. http://store.apple.com/1-800-780-5009/WebObjects/EducationIndividual?type=higherEd
The edu price is $116. Gee, what a discount. I saving myself $13. Now, I can get myself that iPod shuffle that I've been eying with the savings I'd get from purchasing Leopard with the edu discount..
I for one have to say: AT LONG LAST!
This is Apple?
THIS IS SPARTAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!
Why would there be an upgrade price? Mac OS X only runs on Macs... All Macs come with Mac OS... Therefore, *every* copy sold is an upgrade.
To bad I already have it...
SPARTA!
300 features
http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/300.html
OH MY GAWD ITS FINALLY COMING OUT!
I wonder if I should get a DS or Leopard for my November 19th birthday.
Always choose hardware over software for presents, you will be more content.
Bro.. it’s only $129! By the time you finish downloading that 2-4 gig OS, 2-3 months would have went buy... So how much do you PAY for that HIGH SPEED internet access again?
"Bro.. it’s only $129! By the time you finish downloading that 2-4 gig OS, 2-3 months would have went buy... So how much do you PAY for that HIGH SPEED internet access again?"
And what crappy half-assed internet service do you use that it takes 2-3 months to download 4 gigs? Normally takes less than a day for me and I've just got cable.
Dude... just go to the store and buy it! It’s $129 and yea you SHOULD be advocating purchasing the product not d/l it.
1 hr, 1 day, 1 week, 1 month, etc... Don't go and pay a fortune for a MAC hardware and then come back around and d/l their OS. That’s so ghetto!
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
Leopard SERVER BAABY!!!!!!!
Because Leopard has these revolutionary new features.. like.. *gasp* backup! Not to mention a ton of eye candy like a reflective dock and new, and even more mattel-like, window animations that we've grown to know and love.
Seriously. Leopard is everything the Mac community has preached against since '98.
I think you should go back to your cave you ignorant peasant.
"Upgrade price? You're kidding, right... this is Apple."
Best line of the day. Totally made my morning
So what makes you excited about Leopard? Any of you? Tell me.
Why were you excited about vista?
I'm not excited about vista at all.
Because we get to see & use what Microsoft will be calling 'revolutionary' and 'innovative' when it debuts in Windows four or five years from now.
I can't wait to install it on the gaming rig I built. Oh, wait...
Ok, that's cool.
Let me just lay it out straight, this isn't a dig against OSX, I'm not being sarcastic.
I seriously want to know what makes people here excited about it.
What features specifically does it have that gets you geeked?
For me it's Time Machine. Instead of a 3rd party solution this one will be built into the OS. http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/timemachine.html.
Wow. And I think we're all still waiting for a reply here.
I have a MacMini I use as a media center box (running VLC, not shit-assed FrontRow). I like it because it's quiet and it runs HandBrake and MacTheRipper. And it looks good on a 42" LCD @ 1920x1080. iLife '08 is okay -- I admit I like being able to send photos directly from my iPhone to the web gallery.
But I still consider the Mac to be a toy. My main box and my wife's laptop run WinXP (although each could *easily* run Vista). I hate Vista and will run XP as long as I can. I have two X360s for accessing video at other locations around the house and an Ubuntu file server that keeps the entire network happy.
I see no value added by Leopard. Seriously, I *want* to be impressed. If it's good stuff, I'll get a Mac laptop. But right now, from what I've seen, nothing stands out about MacOS to me.
What impresses you guys? Seriously, please sell me -- I really want to buy...
Time Machine.
Integrated, automatic backup that I can use by just jacking in an external drive on a regular basis, without having to give up hours of my life.
I know that I *should* back up a lot more than I do. This will make it tons easier.
I don't think it is anything... I think it’s this iHype that people want to purchase/have.
I plan on purchasing a copy of Leopard on Friday right after work. I’ll play around with it, see the new features, but that is about it. It's not like I can download the NEW Unreal Tournament 3 demo and try it out on any MAC OS! Very little gaming on it, most apps are still on Windows, I still feel like I am lockdown with solely Apple apps/instead of a wide Varity of other applications like the Windows counterpart. With all of the iHype surrounding Apple hardware/software I think people are happy to make ANY type of Apple purchase. I have been using a MAC at my home for the last 4 years with very little PC interaction (except for gaming, or some other app/function I need). MAC OS X is very pretty and something different to work on. If Microsoft came out with a completely different UI built from the ground up, you might see a lot of Microsoft hype flying around the internet with very little marketing from Microsoft.
I remember reading awhile ago that Microsoft wanted to release an OS every 1.5 years and I said to myself… dam that is a lot of reading I have to do, to much research to keep up with! At least that is what I was thinking in the corporate work field supporting users, not playing around with your “Personal Computer” at home. Apple’s real NeXT OS will be OS 11; these are just upgrades, tweaks to the OS or more iCandy, nothing really major to claim that it is the NeXT Gen OS.
Something for all of us to go out and say, HELL YEA I GOT THE NEW OS!
I'm excited since Leopard is the first release of OSX that does more than just introduce fixes to OSX.
We know Tiger represented the final version of the original vision of OSX, it took some time to get there.
Leopard is here to show us where Apple wants to bring the Mac. I have some Mac using friends which are worried of the new flashy graphics, and the time machine abstraction. Some other ones like it. I want to see, can Apple deliver innovation that people can make practical use of, or, like Microsoft, it'll stumble at some point in time.
As for Vista, as a Windows developer, I was wholesale excited for Vista (then Longhorn) for 5 full years. ... And then they released it, and demonstrated the interface issues, glitches and performance issues were not due to the beta status of the code, but it's simply how Vista looks. I'm no longer excited, not until they fix it in a big way.
What a snide..stupid comment 'Come on this is Apple'
The pirce of the FULL (non edu) version of Leopard is still a hell of a lot cheaper than the BASIC upgrade version of Vista...and not to mention it sucks a lot less!
"The pirce of the FULL (non edu) version of Leopard is still a hell of a lot cheaper than the BASIC upgrade version of Vista"
Leopard: $129.
Vista Home Basic upgrade: $99. $69 on Amazon.
You fail.
I'm sorry but let's get some facts straight here. Home Premium Vista OEM on Newegg is $120. Basic's $95. Let's also note that Apple comes out with OS's a lot more frequently than Microsoft so if you do purchase every single iteration you come out in the same boat in the end.
As for sucking... well, I'm sure you can find people that say the same thing about OSX, Linux, Windows, Kickstart OS, etc..etc..etc.. Just use whatever you like.
I was reffering to over here in Australia. Visa Basic Upgrade is $199 and Leopard is $158
Have you used the new OSX yet ?
@bob .........How is it cheaper ?????
That's great and all.. But did someone forget the premium you paid for the hardware? They should give away the OS for the life of your hardware (which is not that long anyways).
@bob
Did you just argue against yourself?
"...if you do purchase every single iteration you come out in the same boat in the end."
why do we keep hearing this line? No offense, but please don't assume everyone buys every release - not unless they see some value in it.
Either way, I'd say incremental benefits would outweigh mega-feature-packed releases every 6 years. Even with that, Vista didn't give me too much to get excited about.
Sorry Andrew, but you fail again. I sell Vista Home Premium at work and the retail price is $199 for the RETAIL, boxed edition. Note, you mentioned Vista Home Basic which is even cheaper. Don't forget that the OS X pricing is USD too. Vista HB can be found as cheap as $110.95 from http://www.staticice.com.au/cgi-bin/search.cgi?q=vista+home+basic+oem . VHP can be found as cheap as $132 from http://www.staticice.com.au/cgi-bin/search.cgi?q=vista+home+premium+oem .
@bob and slug:
It's called quoting. You can put text from the person you're replying to between quote marks, and then comment on what he said. But, take note! If you quote someone, that -doesn't- mean that you agree with them.
Quoting. You should try it some time, it's all the rage these days.
Sadly, Bob, Vista Home Basic ≠ Leopard. The equivalent version of Windows is more expensive than Leopard. The equivalent version of Windows *with upgrade pricing* is more expensive than the non-upgrade price of Leopard. You may have proved Andrew wrong, but your point is still moot.
Sorry, Microsoft Bob. *You* fail.
Ironically, you never hear the Apple haters complain about Microsoft's overpriced software.
I stand corrected...I had my facts slightly wrong...but that doesnt mean it is not a stupid comment still. Leopard cant even be compared to the mess that is Vista...and the above point is right, the equivalent is far more expensive.
Debate over.
@Quix: I never claimed that Vista Home Basic is the same as Leopard. I merely proved that Andrew's claim, that Vista Basic Upgrade is more expensive than Leopard, is false. And you apparently agree with that, so why that makes me fail is a mystery to me.
I realise that you're trying to drag this into a fanboy flamewar, but there's no point. I couldn't care less about Vista or Leopard. Perhaps next time you could adress those people that actually claim either one is better.
After f**king me over on the iPhone I think I will get mine via Pirate Bay. After $15k over 5 years I think Apple has seen the last of my money.
Anyone notice the "EXTREME" in the graphic? Could they be poking fun at us?
For those who don't know what I'm talking about...
http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/iphone-extreme-listed-in-apple-code-say-it-aint-so/
True as that may be, here's a little fact for you: All Universities signed up to the Microsoft MSNDAA program can get nearly EVERY Microsoft product (Vista Premium, Windows XP etc.) for FREE. All you need to do is walk in to your local Computer Science Department and they'll sort you out.
I've worked for Microsoft before and it's just the case that many student's don't know about this fact. Let's see now...
Price of Vista for a student: $0.00
Price of XP for a student: $0.00
Price of Leopard for a student: $119.
and you were saying, what now?
we're saying as students that we would rather our colleges pay for osX and get a decent system, than vista and face all of the complexity of loading drivers, security worries, viruses etc
Just because they don't list the edu price here doesn't mean we won't be getting one. I've already spoken with the software sales at Indiana University and they plan on selling 10.5 for $69.
And not all universities let XP & Vista go for "free", per se. Most charge in the $5-$10 range. Well, I can speak for Purdue and IU. Still though. A discount is a discount, and nobody can argue with that.
You do have a valid point, Marklar. For the average user that would like to update to a new (or different) OS, Vista doesn't always make the cut. For users who do know what's required to use it and don't have hardware that's a few years old - it really does work a treat.
However, based on my own experiences, if this isn't the case - Vista can be one heck of a challenge to get to grips with. From a student perspective I imagine that most would like to just install an OS - be able to use their old MP3 players and printers and simply have the ability to create presentations and assignments out of the box.
This is one of the reasons I'm glad Windows XP is still being provided for free as part of the program. Universities aren't *supposed* to charge anything for MSNDAA licenses...but $10 is still a pretty great bargain. For students in the UK, I think that this charge is largely subsidized by the University.
Yes, and that is one of many underhanded ways on how MS got their marketshare.
Underhanded you ask with benign bewilderment?
Yes, underhanded. Apple attempted to set up a similar program with schools before the Mac existed (early 80s), and it was fought by Microsoft and others (who had a small marketshare compared to Apple)due to Apples position in the market, and that it would give Apple an unfair edge since schools would be getting free computers, no one would use the ever lovely super user friendly DOS. Then, people go on to buy the computers they use in school, when they are out, and you get the picture. If you don't, just take a look at the Windows base.
Fuck Microsoft, an OS made by assholes for assholes.
Not to mention that if the company you work for is under the "Software Assurance" program, you can get all sorts of MS software on the cheap.
Example: MS Office 07 Enterprise for $22 including shipping.
MS Projects $22 including shipping
Ask your IT dept. about it... ;)
Re: charging for MSDNAA licenses. If its the same as my university, they don't charge for the licenses. They charge for the media and replication costs to hand you a copy. Legally, I suppose it would be sort of alright to get the license free and go download .iso from a russian "software backups" site. However, I strongly suspect they will simply refuse to sign you up and get you the license if you don't pay them 10 bucks for a CD-R.
Rocinante, let me get this straight....helping students without money out and providing them with a completely free (or very cheap) OS is considered underhanded?. Microsoft don't force anyone to continue using their products in the future - if you want to go for something else, you're completely free to.
Apple is one of the largest corporations in the World (and as can be seen by their success with the iPod) - if they want a product to get out there and be successful, they more than have the means to do so. I just find it a little hypocritical that they would charge *less* for a student version of their OS for any reason other to the one Microsoft's doing it for.
If you want to take a pessimistic view of these schemes - then look at it from even the most pessimistic of positions: Microsoft is releasing the OS free or very cheap to expand their future market share. Apple is releasing their OS for a discount price to expand their future market share. I can't quite see the difference in strategies here...
Other than Apple is trying to make a profile off of students, of course.
**and by profile, I mean profit :d
Actually, I can't (or couldn't even when Vista was out) buy a full version of XP here at the University of Chicago. I would have to go out and get a full version. If there is a place where I can get that $0.00 cost XP I would love to find it.
As for OS X sucking less than Vista we don't know just yet do we? Much of the complaints regarding Visa are due to the little snafus (like lack of driver support, etc.). With the kind of shoddy and shady stuff Apple has been releasing of late I can't be confident any longer that their stuff will be wonderful out of the gate. I just bought a Mac Mini on the 26th and had to take it to an apple store where it was replaced because it has some defect that would not allow it to be upgraded.
Furthermore, though I missed the cutoff date by only a few days I am not even that upset. What does make me leery these days is that now that Apple seems to be back in favor (insomuch as the word "beleaguered" does not seem to follow the word Apple in print anymore) they seem to have tuned into a money sucking machine. Imagine my surprise when I make my appointment and arrive an hour early to find that others are jumping in front of me to get to see a "Mac Genius". I ask if I had inadvertently missed my name being called. I was informed that I hadn't. THe "genius" who told me that my name had not been called then makes an offhand comment to one of the "Geniuses in training" standing next to him that there are actually two lines. I guess since he knew I was sitting there and could hear him he then had to address me and and informed me of the existence of a paid program whereby once can jump the line at any time. OK so this is America I get that but when he asks if I want information on how I can pay Apple more money to jump the velvet rope I lost it. He did not even have a chance to finish turing around to get the brochure before I told him NO! Understanding that I was upset he then tried to "explain" that he was only trying to give me information. Again, before he could finish I said NO!!! This kind of attitude seems to be replicated in their "new" student pricing schemes. Who knows, perhaps Apple was undercharging for their student licenses. But I noticed that when iLife was released this summer they started charging more for students. Now students get a generous $10 discount (I believe the student license is $119 correct???). Let's not mention the various permutations of the iPhone debacle. It all is becoming quite distressing to me.
Let's home with all of these recent problems the words "Apple" and "beleaguered" don't again become linked in print or the mind of John Q.
Vista comes with a cost, a nightmare of dealing with a Microsoft application riddled with bugs and zero usability.
You get what you pay for.
I would hardly call Microsoft's applications completely riddled with bugs. Agreed, with Vista you don't get perfection - but most if not all of the applications Microsoft release (outside of the OS itself) are quite sturdy and dependable. Office is still going as strong as ever despite the availability of open-source alternatives and I know for a fact that things like Sharepoint and Powerpoint rarely get accused of being riddled with bugs.
I attend the University of Louisville and both XP and Vista, as well as a long list of other Microsoft products (including Server and SQL Server :D) are available for absolutely free if you download it directly. There is also an option to "check-out" a disc from the office or to purchase CDs (official Microsoft CDs, hologram and all, not CDRs) for 5-15 bucks. I suggest the rest of you complain to your school's IT departments.
Price of most Office Programms for Students - $/€ 0,00 (here in Germany)
FYI...
Au revoir...
Not quite as exciting, but anyone who works for the NHS in the U.K. can get a copy of MS Office Enterprise for a very palatable £17.
I'm a bit saddened by the UK price... £85 for a single license, and £129 for the 5 pack.
I would like to pay for the upgrade for two reasons: a) I'd like to stay legit, b) I'd like to repay Apple for their efforts. But £85 is an MP3 player, or almost a PVR. £40 would have been more reasonable. Especially as the 5 pack license is £25.80 per seat. That's really fair. But the single license really isn't.
Get LINUX
GET ALIFE!
I have. Several times. It's a pain in the ass. Wireless drivers? Ugh.
yup, that is right. I got Microsoft Office 2007 Enterprise Edition and Vista Ultimate for free from my school. They even give out the Mac version for free. I feel bad for all the school kids who think they are cool with their macbooks, but then again, paying for overpriced hardware deserves a expensive service pack as well.
As an IT professional in a large university, let me share a secret with you:
You didn't get it for free. You're paying for it in your tuition and fees.
And if you are using student loans to pay for your college costs then the interest that will accrue on top that will lead to your costs as being anything other than "free."
That's too bad then, because at my school, my tuition costs aren't any more than the other students. However, only the CS students have access to download Vista Business from the MSDNAA site. Which means that I don't pay more than everyone else, but I get the benefits.
Seeing as how the Main Page of www.apple.com now sports a shiney new countdown clock - that might give us a clue as to when Leopard is coming to bear_
Ya think ?
Let's not forget the "Ultimate Steal," for student's with a campus (.edu domain) e-mail address, which gets them Office 2007 Ultimate for what, 60 dollars? Isn't that somewhere between 75% and 90% off retail?
As for Leopard, I find the minimum specs amusing. I wonder how poorly it will perform on such a rig in comparison to how poorly Vista performs on equally aged hardware.
Not to say I'm not a potential customer for a new machine with this software on it (if for nothing more than to get out-of-the-box suppport for XP.)
All I'm really waiting for now is a standard Macbook model with "real" graphics, not Intel Integrated (isn't Dell cramming GeForce 8400m in their 13" model, which is, for all intents and purposes, smaller and lighter than the macbook?)
And a design of said new Macbook being based on the new imac would be nice, too.
Actually it'll probably run fine on the older hardware. Unlike Microsoft Apple normall y make their OS faster with the upgrades and I was able to run the last version fine on an old iBook G3 - only missing out on some of the flashier graphical effects.
The 8400M GS is an option on the XPSM1330, although it adds to the cost - otherwise it has a GMAX3100. The Sony SZ series offers switchable graphics between a GMAX3100 and 8400M GS.
Both of these machines will typically cost more (although an XPSM1330's base price can be made cheaper with the lowest possible CPU config, etc. which isn't an option with the MacBook). Either way, pretty different markets/machines.
I think Apple will most likely stick to integrated graphics only for MacBooks, as I think this is one of the things they use as a differentiating factor between the MacBook and MBP.
no student price? thats crazy
http://www.apple.com/macosx/uptodate/ for free upgrade
Anyone know if there's a UK version of this? There doesn't appear to be anything on the UK Apple site. Hmmm, my reseller convinced me 2 weeks ago that I'd be okay...
Yes! I've been waiting for an OS like you...
Shame on Apple for charging so much for a pretty significant upgrade to their OS. They should give it away for free like Microsoft does, I guess. I wonder why they need activation if it's so easy to get their office software and OS for nothing? Why would they care about piracy? How does Vista Basic compare to Leopard in terms of features and what you get for your money?
These arguments are pointless. Leopard is finally going to be released. Good for Mac users. Shouldn't be an issue for Windows users.
Hey check out the new default desktop wallpaper - no more aqua blue! Was wondering when they were going to get rid of that. This new space design is used in all their promo screenshots.
Very nice!
Anyone have this wallpaper yet?
Grrr...$116 for the student price. I was really hoping for the $69 that Tiger used to cost...aw well.
I went to my campus bookstore today and they say they're selling it for $69 next week Monday on the 29th. I didn't believe what I heard so I asked again. Sure enough, they repeated, "it is $69 for the Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard operating system."
Meh. I think I'll celebrate by finally installing XP on my MacBook. Mac OS X is cool from a programming standpoint, but the UI is annoying, and it looks like they made it more so. It's Apple Vista!
Like classic rock, user interfaces achieved perfection in the Win 95 / OS/2 / Nextstep era.