And to round out today's
N810 coverage, we've got a hands-on of Nokia's new device. Anyone following Nokia's internet tablet devices knows that we've been asking for a QWERTY keyboard on the thing since day one -- it's just too bad the N810 keyboard disappoints us so. Sure, the keys are large, backlit, and far more tactile than on the
E90, but the top row is jammed right up against the bottom of the screen, making typing really difficult without keeping your thumbs totally perpendicular to the keyboard. The N810 could really benefit from the room of a few millimeters more slide if you ask us, but everything else was pure N-series tablet, and N800 (and possibly N700) owners can expect to get all the same software updates when the N810 launches. Check out the pictures, including some size comparisons to the iPhone.
posted Oct 17th 2007 1:15PM
Figures the first site on there is Facebook. Sounds like me.
The Good:
This got much smaller than the last one, and really quite slim considering the keyboard!
N800: 144x75x13-18mm, 206g
N810: 128x72x14mm, 226g
+a faster processor (400 instead of 330MHz)
+still 2 SD card slots
+apparently much nicer UI
+GPS, which makes a lot of sense for that device
+better battery life.
The Bad
-still a 65k screen (was already very good on the N800 and this has better brightness, but still...)
-no media playback keys (I know, not a core competence, but still)
-no TV out (would have been very nice)
-d-pad on the sliding part (not superbad imho, but would have been better on the upper part imho)
Taken form mobile-review.com. I do think its looks hot... thought a bit too late for me my Archos is coming tomorrow =/
I think you are really forgetting the biggest shortcoming of all (although I still think it is a beautiful device).
A battery life of only 4 hours. That's almost a dealbreaker for me. I would use a device like this to stay connected al through my house. But as it is right now I might just as well use my ultraportable. The nokia is smaller, yet the battery life is not much better.
Fuelcells anyone?
wait, wait where did you get that it has 2 SD-card slots ? source if possible.
Like i said was taken from mobile-review. Aye dont have 2 of them. Sorry about that.
on n800, is it possible to install a map software and pair it with a bluetooth gps?? if thats possible, i rather go that route. pls let me know!!
The biggest thing left out is support for bluetooth PAN.
I don't think a 4 hour battery life is all that bad, since it basically is suspended 75% of the time. Unless you walk around with its screen blazing all day, it's plenty. I use my 770 all day on a single charge, reading ebooks, remote desktop, and browsing as needed when away from my desk / notebook. I don't use it as a notebook replacement, but as a wireless wyse remote terminal that's pocketable.
Love it, looks like the full screen option works better on this one compared to the N800 too.
Finally... the keyboards are coming back.
With all my tablets and touch screen pdas I now have a phone with full qwerty keyboard and my tablet is no longer a slate...
You don't know how much you need a keyboard until it is missing.
Right on NOKIA !!!
too bad, it's not a phone.
I'd like to get a real "hands-on" photo, I wanna see it compared to human hands.
Heres one
http://forum2.mobile-review.com/showpost.php?p=620035&postcount=25
Thanks for the link, actually it's smaller that I thought.
Wait, how is this better than the foleo?
Well, the Nokia has GPS and a camera which the Foleo did not (not that I think the camera is all that great a feature), but even more importantly, it's pocketable. It might have basically the same capabilites as the foleo, but it's genuinely pocketable. The foleo had the same size, shape, and footprint as a small laptop with like 1/3 the overall power of one.
I'll agree this whole 'companion device' thing doesn't totally float my boat, but at least the Nokia has a smaller overhead in effort for carry and use. It doesn't require an extra article to carry it in (like a bag or case), and it can be used comfortably while standing or sitting. Neither was really true of the Foleo.
Just my perspective...
Um, in pretty much every aspect. Starting with ~iPhone sized instead of ~Laptop sized...
Well let's see,
It's small enough to go in a pocket
It has a built in GPS (and included mapping software)
It plays Flash 9 videos (YouTube) in the browser
It's fast enough to decode MP4 video files
It has built in pre-configured VOIP capability
It has an AJAX (Google Docs and Spreadsheets) compatible browser
and the biggest difference of all...It's actually available for purchase
Could we have a video hands-on?
http://www.maemoapps.com/ check this :)
perhaps they should create prototypes to test function before they release something? The keyboard not sliding out enough should be a no-duh design.
Two things:
1.) Does it retain the camera for video? Does it work better? Do we get a higher MP cam so we can actually use it to take pics?
b.) Was there some policy against taking a pic of the whole device / ui? I get the need to see ports, but lets see the whole package?!?!??!
Look at download squad they have a comprehensive video out today on the N800 and using apps like GPS.
Seems Nokia is trying to go "up market" with the N810 and to justify their spending billions on mapping.
You pays yer money and yer takes yer choice of either the inexpensive N800 ($235) or the newer N810 with faster processing (slightly) and included gps for 2x the price.
If the N810 can reach concumers for a tad less than $400 it works for me.
The original price on the N800 was $400 so I wouldn't say this is extremely up-market compared to that.
wow...you get great AT&T reception....where you are....
transflective screen? yes? no?
Yes, the N810 screen is transflective. For the record, the N800 screen is not.
The form factor, size and UI are the hotness.
The apparent crappiness of the QWERTY keyboard and the battery life are not. (I will have to decide for myself on the QWERTY thing, though).
Also, I remember that though the N800 had a camera that could face the user, Skype Video conferencing didn't work. Has that been addressed? Because that's a killer app for this if I've ever seen one.
Still, though. I've never wanted a product that I KNOW I have absolutely no use for as much as I do right now. 8^D
Yes it's possible to use a BT GPS with the N800. There is both commercial map software available (Navicore) with all the bells and whistles, as well as completely free software that use Google Maps as a map source (Maemo Mapper).
Videos!
http://www.maemoapps.com/
How can they not have a version with an integrated phone??
When are you renaming Engadget to Cellphoneblog?
Yawn, another phone that looks like all the others, or was possibly reposted nine million times.
Link more cool shit that does things nobody has conceived of yet.
this is not a phone. try reading the articles before you complain next time. fyi, there are plenty of happy users of such internet tablets as well.
well they have a cellphone blog. It's called engadget mobile.
Wanna hear something funny, they are not even covering the n810 launch!
Wanna hear something funnier than that... it's because the n810 is NOT a cellphone.
To the guy asking for non iphone comparisons, there is a slight problem. The ipod touch is roughly (I know a little smaller) the size of the iphone and with the announcement that they will open the software up through an SDK, you have to realize that makes the touch a possible internet tablet as well.
Boo hoo. It's not a cellphone.
That's no justification for boring the crap out of me.
Engadget,
It's bad enough you have all these people commenting with comparisons that the iPhone is better than the N810, when they don't even serve the same purpose.
Stop adding fuel to the fire by posing the N810 next to the iPhone!
You act like Senor Block doesn't read the comments.
He only did this to get a rise out of sensitive commenters like yourself. Engadget writers have a great sense of humor about them when it comes to people's distaste for the iPhone.
The more you urge them to stop, the more iPhone news they present. I wish you kids would realize that the precious time you spend criticizing this site for covering one of this year's top selling phones is all for nothing.
Nokia, bring back USB Host!
The N810 supports USB OTG, it is also backwards compatible with USB 2.0 devices in both and Host and Peripheral mode. Like the 770, the device is not able to supply power over the cable to USB devices, but host mode is back.
really? thats great news!
The other flaw is that the d-pad is on the sliding keyboard. With my 770, I can browse one-handed, using my thumb on the d-pad to navigate. With the N810's keyboard slid out, I'd probably have to hold it in two hands for stability.
(Oh, and (a) it's the 770, not the N770 or N700; and (b) no, the 770 won't be getting any more software updates; they've already cut us off.)
they have a hacker edition of the latest OS2007. I don't know if this is gonna last for the next iteration of maemo though.
I figured out why this doesnt have a phone.
Nokia is cheap. They think people won't pay the extra $40 it would cost if this were a phone. That's extremely shortsighted. They have no idea how big a hit this would be if it had phone capability (and maybe a much better CPU). Even if it costs more (which I dont think it would need to cost considering that they'll get a huge sales volume).
Nah you are too much in to the TS hype. Yes yes iphone sold ok, but it isnt such a huge number to make different in the market(thought it made Nokia to speed up with its TS for sure ;)).
I agree with you i could probaly pay a bit more if it had phone in it... then agen people here in engadget..howardforums and so on arent really the majority ;)
Nokia will have its S60 TS at...well some where in 2008.
Trust me this would make a crappy phone, it is set up for video conferencing so it has to be a couple of feet away to prevent sort of a feedback phenomenon (based on the N800). Even if the speakers and mic were more phone like it would be the equivalent of holding a brick up to talk into---this thing is fairly large. Phones are so small it doesn't hurt to carry a fully functional easy to use one along with, at least if you have a purse to stash it away in. ;)
Sorry, it's not all about hardware. Nokia would have to develop a Linux telephony stack to make it into a phone. And just look at how much trouble writing a Linux telephony stack can be - Motorola can't even get their stack to do UMTS/HSDPA.
Most of the time when I am in the viciinity of WiFi that I can access, I have my laptop. What's the port of an internet tablet with this form factor if it does not have cell phone network capability?? Nokia wake up.
I can't wait for the iPhone 2, those guys actually know what consumers could use. I'm betting the next iPhone will have all this stuff plus the rumored pressure sensitiveness.
That's 4-5 lbs. comparing to less than 250 grams.
Ever since I got my N800, I don't lug my laptop around to coffee shop anymore.
Simply use your existing phone, thether it to the N810 via Bluetooth and do what you need to do online...it's not that hard to understand, is it?
And this way, you can have a SMALL sexy phone and all the internet with you when you want, and take only the small sexy phone with you for nights out and similar stuff. Not that bad an idea if you ask me...
I have a laptop, but I don't routinely carry it around. It's kind of heavy and doesn't fit in my pocket. Mainly I have a laptop because I used to travel a lot, and it takes up so much less space than a desktop does.
When I need to compute on the move, take notes, or manage my calendar and to-do lists, I also have an old Palm, which does, easily, fit in my pocket. When I know I won't have any need of it, or will be going somewhere it could be damaged, I leave it at home and carry just my small, cheap cellphone, which does a great job of voice calling and is robust enough to survive being in my pocket all the time, often alongside a bunch of keys.
What the Palm lacks is connectivity. More often than not, at home my internet use is 30 seconds here, a minute there, and maybe I don't feel like getting up and going to the computer to do that. I often wish I could just browse from the Palm. So the N810 would be a perfect replacement for it.
Best of all: I know that third-party apps are not only supported, but encouraged. Can't say I trust Apple much in that regard, so the iPhone and iTouch are non-starters for me.
Hmm it seems the CPU in the 810 is the SAME is in the 800!!! Just it's clocked faster at 400 versus 330.
Question: Can one overclock the 800 and get the faster perfromance out of that model?
This seems great, but the price difference with N800 is a bit heavy.
3D size comparer with iPhone and BB8700: http://johndyer.name/lab/sizer
Whoops: http://johndyer.name/lab/pv3d/sizer
Does it have any recent version of Opera?
YES. And Flash 9 support.
They dropped Opera in favor of the Mozilla-based MicroB browser, which is better anyway.
And Flash 9 works great now if the first hands-on reports can be believed. YouTube for example runs at about 15fps compared to maybe 2fps on the N800 with OS2007...
Nokia didn't drop Opera -- they'd be stupid to do so, as it runs rings around the Mozilla-based browser, which is only included to silence the inane Mozilla fanboys.
Looks like I'll be selling my N800 (that I got maybe 2 months ago) to get this one. Yeah, the 4-hour battery life isn't that long, but owners of the N800 and N770 will be used to it. Yeah, a couple more hours would've been nice though. However, the addition of the keyboard sold it for me. Overall I agree with Pdexter's post.
@ Kozzi... the N800 has 2 SDHC slots that compatible up to 8GB each (for 16GB total). There's one "external" slot that's accessible at the bottom, and one "internal" that's located underneath the battery cover (not underneath the batter).
I'm seeing a lot of complaints about battery life here. 4 hours on what appears to be a REMOVABLE battery in a device this slim? Sign me up.
If I understand a previous comment correctly, I can use a 3G + Bluetooth cellphone to bridge the N810 to do some 3G surfing? Will I still be able to accept calls? I notice Nokia says compatible cellphones. Is it a Nokia made list or is it a Bluetooth standard that so long as my cellphone abides by the standard I'll be Ok?
Where do I turn in my geek card for not knowing this?
I'll be confiscating your card thanks...
You can only tether by paying your carrier more $$$ (ATT tether plan is $70/mo I think). And when you tether on ATT it better be simple html/email only...anything else is a violation of TOS...and you get axed.
ATT (HSDPA) supports simultaneous voice/data sessions...but Verizon/Sprint (CDMA) don't.
By compatability I think Nokia means phones supporting BT DUN profile...but WM has axed dun at behest of carriers and now provides PAN only. I believe WM6 will re-enable DUN. Carriers don't want to make it easy for you to tether...
That's a "Yes", to all of your questions :) The N800/N810 will be able to use whatever data connection you have on your phone, be it GPRS/EDGE or HDSPA/3G. You will still be able to receive calls on your cell. Any phone that supports the Bluetooth DUN profile will work. Only some recent Windows Mobile devices have intentionally disabled DUN (so the operator can lock you in further), you might want to check that but otherwise you're probably good to go.
For all round web access ... this thing comes with a USB port...Is it possible to use a USB EVDO Rev A? Or a EVDO Rev A Express card with a usb connector?
Nokia and Boingo also announced global Wi-Fi access for the N800 and N810 today (as well as S60 handsets). You will be able to use your N800/N810 in tens of thousands of hotspots around the world for $8 a month.
http://www.boingo.com/pr/pr163.php
Does anybody knows if it is possible to use a Bluethooth keyboard with this gadget, it could be a nice notice that because you could type faster than with its own.
You can use bt gps and keyboards with the N800 easily. There is currently no support for bt headphones though.
Just to make it crystal clear, the N810 will still support BT keyboards too.
The biggest problem I've got with Nokia is that their products come with a premium price tag. Of course you have to pay for quality, but still it would be nice to get this thing for 200€ off the shelf. The thing is it'll probably be something like 460€ after the taxes. Makes brands like Apple look cheap.. anyways I'll get one for sure!
OK, that does it. I've lost my mind. That thing is YUMMY-LISCIOUS SQUARED! Did you just hear that loud noise out front? That's me crashing my car. Hurry, dial 911.
this is how the PSP should look like!
It need a touch screen too!
Johan S, why must everything have an integrated phone feature? This Nokia N810 is not a phone, nor intended to be one. The extra $40/mo or so is a HUGE impediment to many people who just want something to use at home without booting up the big ole fire breathing virus infested PC every time they just want to do something simple like check email, the weather, stock prices, etc. Now something that should take "just a minute", will.
What is it with Nokia and not including charging via USB port!! It's one of the 3 things that really bugs me about the N95, along with internal RAM and battery life.
Yes I know you can get "adapters" but why when nearly everyone has a USB cable they can just attach to their pc's etc. Surely it would also save a small amount of cost and even space to not have a dedicated charging socket.
the n800s thumb keyboard was fine. it just needed to open and close faster and have Apple's proximity weighted spell-correction grafted on. It was already faster and more natural than using a crappy slideout.
And seriously, whose big idea was it to put the d-pad on the slide-out? That's horrible from a usability standpoint. Unless they're actually shipping a bluetooth media remote, or put media remote controls on the headset. That'd be alright.
Awesome looking tablet. I don't know what I'd do without my 770. I use it several times a day now thanks to the unsupported apps. It'd be worth the $ to upgrade just for the 16GB capable storage (2 8GB chips) and extra cpu/ram over my 770.
I wish the gpe suite was officially supported though. I'd pay to have the gpe entries refresh properly and to have it easily sync with my web based groupware solution. I find these features indespensible and keep gpe apps open all day long.
THERE WAS NEVER AN N700 it was nokia 770 and nokia N series N800 wich will also be able to upgrade to MAEMO 4.0(OS. 2008)
Anyone know if the 810 can be charged via USB, unlike the 800? I hate having to carry special chargers/adapters when traveling.
I like nokia, but why should not i buy a 9xxx communicator, or a E-series instead? Any ideas?
The n810 sizewise is closely like Toshiba g900, HTC Omni, IMATE 7150 but no phone??? Nokia N810 doesn't make much sence, I don't want to carry 2 devices again and the headache with Internet through Bluetooth, connect, disconnect, errors... Most of the users of this type of devices are not concerned about the "not sexy" "bricklike" look (i am not), besides many of us use bluetooth earpiece 80% - 90% of the time and bigger phone size is not an issue at all. They were so close of finaly getting it done...sad
Let's not forget that the N810 also comes with 2GB of internal memory. Still, I'm disappointed the screen can only show 64K colors, which is a deal breaker for me after having used a Cowon. It's fine for those who are not as picky or just want it mainly for Internet surfing, Linux hacking, and games emulation.
I've been waiting for an N800 with keyboard, GPS and proper flash support.
The only problem I can see is that number keys are on the top row instead of being arranged like on the Treo. This was a problem with the HTC Wizard which they ended up fixing - hope Nokia sort it out before release.
They sell it already on Ebay?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Nokia-N810-Internet-Tablet-brand-new-in-the-Box_W0QQitemZ230189357840QQihZ013QQcategoryZ38331QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Do you think it's real?
as far as i can tell the super deal breaker is that the n810 does not offer navigation free to be used with the gps. you apparently need to pay for a 3 year subscription for $130.
without the subscription, all you can see is your placement on the map, without directions to get anywhere. what good is that?
pleez tell me im wrong.
Hi,
You all complain about the phone but if you have internet you have Skype which is $30 per year unlimited US and Canada. What do you need more?
If you like to pay hunderds of dollars per month to your cell company be my guest.
Can the Nokia N810 work with Verizon or Sprint USB mobile broadband access.
Forumer.com is giving away one of these in a contest that ends on New Years eve.
info here > http://fhq.forumer.com/showthread.php?t=72677
The keyboard was not a problem for me. Perhaps if you would cut your nails to a reasonable length it would be OK for you too.