It's not a huge surprise, but Apple's gone ahead and posted a note confirming that
Leopard will not support Classic, even on PowerPC machines. Of course, Intel Macs have never been able to run Classic anyway, so only like Hypercard user groups and the three printshops still running QuarkXPress 4 will be affected by this. But this does mark the end of the road for the venerable and oft maligned OS, which ushered in the mainstream GUI era with the 128K Mac in 1984 and remained the default boot on all new Macs until OS X 10.1.2 was released 18 years later in 2002 -- prompting Steve to stage a melodramatic mock funeral for OS 9 at that year's WWDC. Still, the old warhorse managed to hang around for another five years, and we're a little sad to finally see it go. Check a vid of Steve's funeral after the break.
posted Oct 25th 2007 5:16PM
I may not be a mac-fan, but respect where it's deserved.
RIP Mac OS, it was fun
OMG!! They are taking out backwards compatibility??!! Are they crazy? That's it. I can no longer take it. Screw Apple. They don't understand what the customer wants.
Oh, sorry, I thought we were talking about a console for a second.
You know whats so strange? I have never used a mac and I have barely touched but I feel sad. I feel very sad for some odd apparent reason.
That was my first computer I ever used. RIP.
Do we have a Mac OS classic binary compatability layer for Linux? If anyone still likes this old OS, that's the way to go.
So will it be when Apple drops PPC altogether.
It's Ok. We don't use 'em anymore
http://emulatorz.notlong.com
Just for the record, you do know that that screenshot is os6 not os9, correct?
Just for the record, you do know that you're a dumbass, right?
Oooohh... Feeling like a real mister grumpy pants today huh?. Have a cookie, I'm sure it will cheer you right up! :)
Actually let me redact that a bit. It should be noted generally I think that Most of what is computer oriented these days comes out of southern California which most people by now have lately noticed is on fire.
I can well understand why tempers of those in the area may be a bit short, and I think I should retract a bit of the snarkiness in the previous posts.
Northern or Southern California?
Not sure where all of the software dev is for Apple but a good amount of R&D is done in the Silicon Valley which is hundreds of miles from Los Angles and San Diego.
the screenshot may be os 6, but could be a previous one as well
it is definitely not 7 or higher
(using macs since 1986)
You mean "System 6" not "OS 6".
The Mac OS wasn't "Mac OS" until "Mac OS 8" came along. Prior to that it was always just "System."
And I think that's System 5 running on a 128 or 512 because there's no MultiFinder running in the upper right and there's no hard drive icon on the desktop.
"And I think that's System 5 running on a 128 or 512 because there's no MultiFinder running in the upper right and there's no hard drive icon on the desktop."
All that means is that MultiFinder wasn't enabled (it was an optional feature until System 7) and that the machine had no mounted hard drive (you could get machines for years without hard drives; not just the 128k or the 512k). It could very well be a Plus, SE, II or some other Mac
Yes it deserves to die, and I hope it burns in hell!
awesome.
Dude, that is so Samuel L Jackson. But I won't front... that shit was HELLA funny! I HAD to crack up at that. I was like... finally, someone said a movie line that actually fits with what is being talked about and that suited what you said. Funny shit dude! FUNNY SHIT!
Ohh, btw... forgot to add I told everyone in the house, and we all cracked up at what you said too. Too funny dude. (yea you might think it's corney, but it's really funny shit!)
@prokanda I just wasted five minutes of my life reading every post you have made here. You are one of the kings of haterade here. Lighten up, stop hating, get laid. go to X17 and give your hate to a worthwhile cause like britney spears.
david's taking over as king of trolls?
Classic can run on intel macs. And it will continue to do so.
"Sheepsaver"
Lord, that video was ridiculous.
"Of course, Intel Macs have never been able to run Classic anyway, so only like Hypercard user groups and the three printshops still running QuarkXPress 4 and will be affected by this, but it marks the end of the road for the venerable OS, which ushered in the mainstream GUI era with the 128K Mac in 1984 and remained the default boot OS on all new Macs until OS X 10.1.2 was released 18 years later in 2002 -- prompting Steve to stage a melodramatic mock funeral for OS 9 at that year's WWDC."
Hate to be the grammar nerd, but isn't this sentence a little bit long?
You wish you were a grammar nerd. There is nothing grammatically incorrect about a long sentence.
Grammatically incorrect - no. Stylistically incorrect - yes. Longer sentences typically cause the reader to reread the sentence to fully understand what was just said.
True, but there is something wrong with throwing extra conjunctions into sentences.
"QuarkXPress 4 and will be affected by this"
True. I'll admit I did not check the sentence for grammar, just responded to the issue it was long.
oh, you have no idea. wanna see whare you can be banned and ridiculed for spelling there, wrong? go to www.facepunchstudios.com, its a garry's mod help forum, ruled under the mighty ban hammer of the grammer hitler himself, i kid you not
Before OS X, Mac OS was the worst... I remember having to use some version of it in school. The computers would always freeze and eat my floppy... Much worse than my Windows 98 back in the day.
Never learned the paperclip trick for ejecting stuck floppies and CDs, eh?
The fact that you had to use one was always a bit of a backwards step for me. Not only that, when it broke it was like 50 bucks to get another one. And it required you to take the whole damn mac apart to get at it. And they changed the connector every new hardware version, so if you had one from another mac--good luck with that, buddy.
Some software that runs on classic still doesn't exist as far as I know for the newer versions of the OS.
AliasPro users, can I get a hell yeah?
"Some software that runs on classic still doesn't exist as far as I know for the newer versions of the OS."
Whose fault is that? For the love of God, if software developers haven't created OS X-compatible updates or modern competitors in the last five years, maybe the original apps have outlived their usefulness or profitability.
The tools and documentation are there for developers to just Carbonize these old apps if they want to play it safe. Making these apps Universal Binary isn't much more of a pain.
OS 9 was OK in its day but it's time to let it go. I respect the Sheepshaver project that will try to put OS 9 emulation into newer Macs, but I'm not sure that it's any more than an intellectual exercise or a museum-like preservation of access to legacy apps and docs.
AliasPro nothing, I want my SuperTetris!
I just wanna play a couple oldie-but-goodie games, but my Intel iMac won't let me....
*sniff*
Good riddance.
The reason why the Macs are good now is because of OSX. The old MacOS can just vaporize for all I care.
And this is why no enterprise will use MAC every few years a new and non backwards compatible system and OS. 68k to ppc not intel x86. legacy enterprise apps exist and always will.
Evan, are you insane?. "Every few years a new and non backwards compatible system and os..." Did you read the article? Last time I checked, 23 years of backwards compatibility is a pretty long time.
Even with Windows XP I have to run emulators to make it so I can run programs from 3.1.1 & 95...
Firstly, how is Apple's constant and consistent effort to innovate their products a bad thing? Every single company on the face of this planet does exactly that everyday because it is the nature of staying in competative business.
Secondly, since when are Macs NOT backwards compatible? Last time I checked they are leading the way in software emulation and in providing a truly versatile platform that has consistently been eating away at the not exactly thriving WinPC market.
Lastly, you do realize that even my old PowerMac G3 233mhz can run 10.4 while a comparable PC would be hard pressed to even boot WinXP never-mind Vista.
Please, do a bit more research before you make such comments Evan.
Classic Mac OS apps are pretty hard to find nowadays, anyway.
Except for QuarkXpress, that's still pretty popular since the OS X versions of it sucked.
For those of us who actually used the original systems, RIP is appropriate.
To wish the old OS harm, etc is really not right... Back then Macs still were intuitive machines with an elegant interface, especially when compared to any WIn OS at the time. Cheers!
*sniff*
With Leopards release may be time to think back to the Next cube ( Mach kernel ) too:
"By 1987, NeXT's first factory was completed in Fremont, California; it was capable of producing 150,000 machines per year.[14] Prototype workstations were shown to standing ovations on October 12, 1988, and several magazines reviewed the system — all concentrating on the hardware. By 1989, the machines were in testing, and NeXT started selling limited numbers to universities with a beta version of the OS installed. When asked if he was upset that the computer's debut was delayed by several months, Jobs responded, "Late? This computer is five years ahead of its time!"
source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NeXT
Hmm, is it possible to install Classic on an iBook G3 without having any kind of Mac OS X at all?
Yes, you use bootcamp and it's called Windows XP
Sure, just find an OS 9 install disc and you're ready to go.
Isindil, Don't mind the trolls. like Jon said... Just grab an OS9 disk and you should be good to go.
On the other hand... I wonder if this means that apple will finally release os8-9 on their FTP for free like they had with older versions. I've got a few systems I would like to put to use... Like the Performa 6320CD with the TV tuner card.
That thing honestly has better quality TV than most current PC tv tuners.
Gone lately!!!
Must be followed by insane funboys!!!
Computers are just machines;
Softwares are just merchandise
not a Religion!!!
"If you want to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first create the universe."
Carl Sagan
While this is not a deal-breaker, it is certainly a minor disappointment. I still run a lot of Classic applications like Dorling-Kingsley educational programs and an old copy of Photoshop that I prefer over CS2/CS3.
Oh well, I can always run them in Q!
And, of course, I misspell Dorling-Kindersley.
RIP
im sorry
you can put the blame on me
=]
Now I don't get your logic here. Boot Camp on a not-Intel-based Mac?
It woulld be nice if os 9 ran using parallels. 'course it would be pretty cool if mac os 9 or earlier could run on bootcamp
"Of course, Intel Macs have never been able to run Classic anyway, so only like Hypercard user groups and the three printshops still running QuarkXPress 4 and will be affected by this..."
Ummm... not so true. There are several genetic research tools that only run in OS 9 or below.
Then get new genetic research software, how cutting edge can your research be if your doing it on Pre OS9 systems
Mac OS 7 is the reason I went to windows. What a piece of shit operating system. At the time I was learning web design with PhotoShop 4 and Flash 4 on a Motorola Starmax. Win 98 on a beige box IBM blew it out of the water, and MS won my loyalty simply by not randomly crashing every 3-4 hours.
Only recently have I even bothered to consider Mac again, and I am pleased with OSX. I am a Flash programmer now.
"Check a vid of Steve's funeral after the break."
Engadget, you are going to send Apple's stock down on fake news again... ;-)
The local printshop still uses quark 4 which requires the school newspaper to use it also. I couldn't believe anyone still used it. The manual is unbelievably long for such a featureless program (seriously, it's longer than photoshop or indesign)
Does anyone else miss the Platinum Sound effects??
more than you know *pretends to cry*
There is a freeware app called "Classic Sounds" that installs all the Classic alert sounds into your OSX alerts, including Platinum Sound Effects.
Enjoy!
Who's up for a class action?
If only Microsoft would lay Windows to rest - the world would be a much better place.
'Lay it to rest'?
Are you serious? It needs to be taken out and /SHOT/.
There's a difference.
I'm no great admirer of present day Apple but I have lots of fond memories of using the Mac OS at school in the late eighties and early nineties.
As the man said this was the OS that brought us the GUI as we know it today. and to my taste looks a hell of a lot more functional than the stupidly over animated desktops you see on Vista, OS X and Compiz/Beryl etc.
You can turn compiz off and uninstall it at will.
But thanks for the mention. I just don't want to have to keep that fountain on my desk... or the aquarium... or multiple monitors...
Some, in fact, do find it quite functional.
my only sorrow is the tens and tens of pre-OS X games that I will no longer be able to play.
I wonder if there is way to export the Platinum sounds from Classic to OSX and use them as replacement system alerts? I think I could get them off of my old Quadra 700.... hmmm
Oh god i'm going to miss Power Pete so bad...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_Pete
At least I still have my old performa.
Not that hard to find an emulator like Basilisk or SheepSaver if you want to run old games. And Apple has all of the operating systems up to 7.5 for free on their download site.
SimCity 2000 and Oregon Trail, adieu! I admit I have strayed from my humble beginnings of you classic games but do not take it to heart. I will never forget unleashing aliens and fires on my metropolis' or my unwavering knack to have members of my party get dyssentary. So I propose a toast, to our childhood, and to the games that raised us right. I will miss all of you.
Wait a second, so this is what the OS was like in 84?
Wow, things haven't really changed much, and that is amazing for back then.
Sadly, I'm in one of those four printshops that was using OS9 on antiquated hardware. We just switched to 10 in the last two weeks, finally.
Omg! I am still using illustrator 8 in classic environment (of course I use CS2 also)
noooooooo, wtf how could it be that, Steve!
I got to rush to buy another HDD to install my Leopard there...I still want to keep my 10.4.....
Let me just say as a school computer tech support guy, "About freaking time!". Nothing worse than a teacher asking you to install something and the box says OS 8.6 or higher.
OK, you just scan through the posts and you manage to get a glimpse of only "a vid of Steve's funeral" and you start to think.....
:)
That screenshot makes me miss my Atari ST and its TOS/GEM...
I still got 2 Mac Plus and 2 Mac Classic's here working :)
Civilization II, Myst I, SimCity 2000, and, lest we forget, Marathon I, II, and III...
I'm strangely sad to see you guys go...
Too bad QuickTime VR Authoring Studio was never updated to run on OSX. It has features which none of the 3rd party panorama/object applications offer.
We just won't be upgrading to Leopard, I guess. Not that there's anything compelling about it anyway...
what? i won't be able to run royal flush (an awesome emulation of the classic 1976 pinball game)? no leopard for me. my imac g5 will be tiger forever.
My only question is: If you still have a mac old enough to boot into OS9, can you do that after installing Leopard? I understand killing classic, I never liked it anyway, but can it boot of it's on a different drive?
There were two old Mac game I used to play that I can't track down anymore, they were related.
One had a map of planets, and you flew from one to the other, conquering them.
The other game took place later, and was a game in which you were a trader, doing business between the different planets.
I can't remember the names, which sucks.
Both of those games sound like Escape Velocity to me. Maybe 2 different versions? There's an OS X version of it, and it rules.
Spaceward Ho! ?
GOOD! Now lets shoot this leopard and make a rug!
Don't be too sad. I'm sure there are plenty of older Macs out there still going strong. In the facility where I work I can think of two. One is serving up forms (FileMaker Pro version THREE) and the other runs a large combustion chamber with some software I don't remember the name of. Something like Daisy Tree? It was a competitor to Labtec/Labview in the 80s.
They do their job well and we have no plans to replace them.
Actually, I'm pretty sure that would be Finder 1.1 - it's still got the "Empty Folder" for you to duplicate (since they hadn't made a "new folder" menu command), but there's Font Mover before the crappy^B^B^B^B^B^Bvenerable Font/DA Mover, which was System 3.0 Finder 5.3, right?
I can't believe I still remember that stuff.
Apple stock is at $184.70. Hope someone here bought in back in 2003....I sure didn't.
http://www.mymoviefriend.com
I've got nearly 20 years of work invested in Appleworks/Clarisworks Documents, and compatibility with iWorks is crude at best.
Am I going to abandon all that work because leopard doesn't have Classic?
What do you think?
Goodbye further Apple s/w and h/w purchases.
CCarlson
This was the third passing of Steve's Apple OS babies I have seen.
OS 6
OS 7(.5)
OS 9 (OS 8 was illegitimate, and NOT Steve's baby)
My first funeral....sniff***sniff
Extreme Disappointment!!
I did not upgrade all our Mac's to the Intel's because I still need to communicate with an AS400 for uploads and downloads vital to our existence. I see where classic has been causing more opportunities for troubleshooting lately, but is still essential to extracting information.
So much for being a pioneer and keeping classic going when it really needed it.
As much as I don't care for Steve Jobs, That's funny stuff.