We've got Leopard, what do you want to know?
By Ryan Block 
posted Oct 25th 2007 10:43PM
posted Oct 25th 2007 10:43PM
- Apple confirmed it: no backing up with Time Machine over the drives you have connected via USB to your Airport Extreme. Also, no Time Machine backups to SMB shares -- AFP network shares only. Again, yes, Time Machine can back up over the network, but ONLY to AFP shares, ok?
- When plugging in a disk Time Machine does its song and dance, but what we wanted to know is whether it requires you dedicate that disk for backup use exclusively. The answer: it doesn't, you can go on using your external drive's free space as you please, but Time Machine will also take advantage of selected disks for backup. And no, if it's an HFS-formatted disk you're plugging in, it won't ask you to format it.
- Classic support wasn't killed for any technological reason, but because Apple felt that it was finally time to move on, and that support was no longer necessary. Sorry QuarkXPress 4 users!
- Apple's fancy new screen sharing is VNC based, meaning you can use it to connect to any VNC-shared system, Apple or otherwise. However you can't use the iChat screen-share with anything but other Apple machines, despite being VNC.
- Nope, there's no YouTube in Front Row.
- Sorry, syncing notes to your iPhone won't work either. Well, not entirely. The notes Mail.app keeps are actually just HTML email messages in a special folder, and if you use IMAP it will sync that special notes folder to your server. So in theory, if you have IMAP and you access your IMAP email through your iPhone or other device, you can view / edit those notes. But no, they don't sync to the notes your iPhone's native notes app keeps.
- Yeah, the
R2D2"Apple hologram effect" didn't make the final cut, either. Help us Phil Schiller, you're our only hope. - The upgrade took about an hour on our 1st gen MacBook Pro (2GB RAM); expect it to eat up another ~3GB of space.
- Yeah, you can't add drives to the dock You can still add drives and folders! It just doesn't always work when we pull it over from Finder.
- We can confirm Leopard supports A2DP! (It's a little buggy, but it's definitely working.)
- More questions answered after the break.
- Yeah, you can see yourself reflected four times on the box cover -- one in each part of the holographic galaxy. Of course we're vain enough to notice, so what?
- Final build is 9A581.
- Time Machine lets you pick which drive to use as your backup drive; we don't have a second internal drive on our test laptop, but there's no reason it shouldn't let you pick an internal drive as your backup.
- So far we haven't noticed any slow downs from the upgrade -- except when backing up over a million files (duh).
- We haven't found a way to turn off the translucent menu bar, but it's really not that bad. Definitely better than Vista's Aero glass, which is distractingly translucent.
- iChat Theater ("document sharing") works with any format file or document the presenting machine can support. Why? Because it makes a video stream of the document so the person on the other end doesn't have to support your file types, you insensitive bastard.
Awesome!
Hey cool, i get to be the annoying "first" guy!
serioulsy though i can't wait for tomorrow. i plan on being there as soon as doors open at 6.
...or not.
Except you weren't "first".
Aww, going to get the new mac os? Makes sense with that spelling... and total lack of the ability to pay attention to what post you are. ;)
Ahh, mac fan-boys... continuing to show the world what type of person wants a mac. :)
Looks like you only qualify as annoying this time.
@prokanda I just wasted five minutes of my life reading every post you have made here. You are one of the kings of haterade here. Lighten up, stop hating, get laid. go to X17 and give your hate to a worthwhile cause like britney spears.
@david:
You wasted 5 minutes reading that? wow, thats a long time for that amount of text....
@ThePenguin
He said EVERY post, not that post. Looks like you should've spent a little more time reading his post.
so prokanda, you'd be a microsoft fanboy? not sure which is worse! :O)
paullyjay: This isn't black and white. You don't *have* to be a goddamn fanboy.
will it play doom and then blend?
yes and no
electrons dont blend.. silly :P
Here we go again. I envision a lot of folks in these comments saying Windows is better because it does games.
Look, at the end of the day, if you are a PC gamer, you should get a PC, and if you are a console gamer, you should get a Mac :P
Depends on which version of doom you have. If it is the archaic fire and brimstone version, it is compatible, if you recently upgraded to the WWIII version, you are probably going to have to create a partition for windows - sorry.
People aren't going to start insulting mac because windows is better...
Go Linux!
RE: Ireland
what to are we supposed to buy when we play both???
wil it do this when looking at a windows network
OS X 10.5 (this is what it looks like when you browse a windows network from your mac in cover flow)
http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~perekdr/leopard_windows_easter_egg.jpg
How the hell did you go from one of the now oldest and most stale technology jokes from assuming someone was trying to say windows is the bestest operating system ever? Someone says that on ANY post that involves:
A) gagdets
B) software
C) anything
It's like "will it blend", which we got here in a rare double-meme post. It doesn't mean anything, it's just amusing, you mindlessly defensive troll.
@ADMINVOID
...a life.
Will Microsoft Office 2004 for mac work with Leopard?
Of course. Why would it not? It was designed for OS X, not Classic mode. Just about anything major that worked for Tiger will work for Leopard. If Office stopped working with Leopard, college students accross the land would rise up in revolt against apple, and they wouldn't risk alienating one of their biggest markets.
Okay, just making sure. Thanks!
""If Office stopped working with Leopard, college students accross the land would rise up in revolt against apple, and they wouldn't risk alienating one of their biggest markets.""
NeoOffice for the win, my friends. I haven't used MS Office in 7 years, now. :) (StarOffice -> OpenOffice -> NeoOffice.)
Sean. Let us know when you decide to join the real world where such apps don't get the job done. For your average home user, sure. Anywhere else you will be slapped upside the head, and rightly so.
it does work and I think it works better than the current Office 2008, while nice, it is a bit cumbersome at times.
can I install it on my PS3 (and will it work)??
Good God if you want OS X, just get a Mac would you. You're only putting off the inevitable anyway ;)
It sure as hell should! I mean, they should band together.. these extremely proprietary companies that have absolutely nothing of worth EVER debuting on their machines...
apple and sony should merge.
both:
1) love making things that are proprietary
2) are snotty about the superiority of said crap
3) can't get people to care enough to jump on board and make them smash hits (besides the ipod/wega tvs.. respectably)
love it.
@Ireland
most likely. = ) But I truly would like to know if it would run on my PS3...it'd save me about $1000--although the PS3 wouldn't be nearly as portable.
@prokanda
yeah, the only downside is the extra $$$ they charge (considering a PC can be gotten for around $350 vs. mac mini for $600).
can i install it on my tv? that would be sweet. or on my toaster...
@prokanda I just wasted five minutes of my life reading every post you have made here. You are one of the kings of haterade here. Lighten up, stop hating, get laid. go to X17 and give your hate to a worthwhile cause like britney spears.
If the Cell processor supports (at least) SSE2, maybe, but I doubt it.
How does it run on a low spec machine? I have a 1 GHz G4 w/ 768MB RAM.
I'd like to know the same thing. The Apple website says my 1ghz PowerBook should run it, but it'll be interesting to see if things are snappier (as some people are claiming) or if it gets bogged down.
I want to know this answer too...guess I will find out as I have orderd it already...Also, I want to know is there is a product key...Because I have 2 macs and I sont want to pay the extra $50.00 bucks for the family pack...can anyone confirm if it works on the honors system???
Can you use one external HD to Time Machine 2 different Macs?
That doesn't really look like a star cluster, though.
Ok, ok, it's a galaxy.
Since when was a galaxy anything more then a really big star cluster?
@Reader
Well, in fairness, you wouldn't call a monster truck a car, even though, technically it's just a really big car.
For example: "Hey, man! I just went to this really cool car rally, where they were racing and crushing cars. It was awesome!"
"Really? Crushing cars? Why? Do you mean they were wrecking the cars? Crashing? What the hell are you trying to say?"
See? Complete ambiguity. No one will be sure what the hell you're talking about. :-)
Gian
Beyond the name argument, the term "star cluster" refers to an entirely different beast than "galaxy" does. Relative to a galaxy, a star cluster is tiny and only contains stars that have been born at about the same time. A galaxy, on the other hand, often has stars being born and dying out continuously, with different generation of stars mixed in.
can you do the whole remote controlling and stuff like that with a slower machine or only latest fast Intel Machines?
Quark users? Quark has been Mac OS X native for a long time.
right, but v. 5 was such a POS that indesign took over the market. hence people running quark 4.
I'm still Quark 4 user also. Running Classic emulation under 10.4.10... The latest version of Quark doesnt have good support for Japanese font yet so many in Japan still work with Quark 4.5. It's also the same situation with Illustrator. My office stuck with version 8 since CS suck.
Does it have A2DP (or AD2P, whatever its called) support??
I second the A2DP question. Can I finally use my bluetooth stereo headphones without a dongle, or crazy hoop-jumping madness?
I read that there was a2dp support in the beta, But of course I have no confirmation. One more thing to wait on confirmation for.
For those readers who do not know what a2dp is, It is one of the newer bluetooth profiles which allows, amongst other things, high quality stereo through bluetooth, so your bluetooth headphones will produce good sound instead of the cruddy radio like sound you would be getting now. A2DP means Advanced Audio Distribution Profile. The lack of a2dp has been pissing off musicians for a while now.
Any chance for a future update to include the ability to use Time Machine over a USB connected drive over an Airport Base Station?
It's technologically feasible, I'd wager it just didn't make it into the launch release. We'll have to see if Apple adds it in later.
I hope so. That was something I was REALLY looking forward to being able to do since I use a Powerbook (soon to be MacBook) and am not always plugging in to my external drive.
http://digg.com/apple/Time_Machine_WORKS_with_an_HDD_on_Airport_Base_Station
This is bad news for me. I was told by an Apple developer at WWDC07 that this would be the case.
Brad, this is less encouraging :(
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/07/10/26/apple_yanks_wireless_backup_from_leopard_last_minute.html
We'll see though. I have seen that there is a hack that you can use to get it to work, but hopefully Apple will include it in an update in the not-too-distant future. I may put off buying a new computer until they do.
Yeah, but does bootcamp play with 64-bit windows yet?
Thats what I'm wanting. Its very annoying not being able to run my 64 bit apps...my MBP is my mobile station w/BootCamp and my desktop in 64 bit Vista. Makes it hard sometimes.
Not sure I can test this, our MBP is 1st gen (32-bit).
Sorry to double post but are there any known install issues such as loss of data or corruption of it? I am at a really critical time for term papers and stuff like that and i would shoot my self if it caused lost data or stuff like that..
You should already have everything for school backed up onto a flash drive and/or email. I mean, seriously, even if you're not going to upgrade, do it!
Any new OS is a risk to try when it first comes out- there's always thoes hidden little bugs that may have made it into the final release. They're usually not that bad, but if your information is that sensitive, better wait and see how things fare with it.
Yeah i just backed up all my data so as far as data is concerned i should be ok the main prob would be if the comp gets screwed up so badly that i lose heaps of productivity.
Do you have to use an external drive for time machine? Can you use it with an internal drive to have it always running and doing it's time thing?
thanks
I don't know if Time Machine will work with internal drives, but you can mirror your boot disk. OS X supports RAID 0, 1, and 1+0.
Great question, I'll look into it.
Can you maximize a window?
I mean a real maximize!
M
Mac OS X has maximization. It's just applications are free to implement how they see fit.
Apple own application uses maximize to make window fitting to actually shown document/whatever. Much more useful that classical Windows/Linux maximization (if you'd ask me) which was made absolutely redundant by wide screen monitors.
P.S. I wonder if one can make maximization macro in AppleScript...
Its a matter of opinion which is better, but I would prefer the option.
I think the way Apple does it is silly. If I Zoom for one page but then navigate to a webpag that is larger, I have to hit zoom again to read just.
Or Maybe I would want to not see my desktop while working...
I want to control my window, not each application to do something different.
This makes Windows implementation better.
M
Will Leopard break cs2 on my powerbook g4?
I know lame game from the past... but will it install Warcraft 3 Frozen Throne?
NOT LAME AT ALL! Dude, I play WC3 at least 3 hours every day. Yes, I'm a loser.... but DOTA IS MORE THAN ADDICTIVE! I got a ps3 and xbox 360, and I buy games, play them for maybe 30 hours (if that) and never play them again. I paid 50 bucks for WC3 when it came out like 5 years ago. And I still play it every single day for at least 3 hours. I've more than juiced the shit outta that game. WC3 is VERY important to run. I wanna know too!
Its not a lame game. And why wouldn't it run on Leopard? It runs great on Tiger!
What is the story with the translucent menus. Is it just the menu at that top? Or is it dialogue boxes too? Even in accessibility options is there now way to turn it off?
Cheers.
I've got Leopard and the menu bar isn't that bad. I hated it when I saw pictures of it but its subtle enough that its usable and looks alright doing it. Any other questions engadget hasn't answered that you want to know?
No I'll have all my answers in about 4 hours - but thanks!
Here i go again is 10.5 faster than 10.4.10? or do all the fancy features slow down the whole thing especially on an older machine eg. 1.5Ghz G4 Powerbook?
Once everything is reindexed for the new Spotlight, I didn't notice any slowdown on my 1.2 GHz iBook G4. I find it snappier, but not a lot faster.
Is A2DP deffinatly there? ive been witing so long to use my bluetooth cans!!
Is the $120 justified for those who are already running Panther? Basically - are those 300 features significant to the user experience? Coverflow, New dock, Stacks?
In my case i am thinking of upgrading mainly for time machine the other features are nice but its really that which makes it worth it.
yea, but tiger is amazing too..i would say u stand to gain 600 features.
Panther is best for some early machines. A Pismo should be running panther for instance rather than a newer os. It has something to do with the ROMs iirc.
Can I play games on it?
omg can i still play Duke Nukem 2 in DOS??
seriously, whats with all the software questions... if it works with Tiger it wil work with Leopard
So wait a minute... Time Machine will work with AFP shares but not a Airport Disk which is an AFP share? I've even tried to use time machine with the airport disk when I mount it in Finder using connect to server -> afp://bonjour.name.of.drive and Time Machine still will not recognize the volume. Mind giving some clarity to this statement you made and how you know it to be true?
Sure. I met with Apple and asked them. That was the answer they gave.
Well we shall see soon enough if they were correct or not. The apple store employees still think it works with Airport Disks at this current moment. I have a feeling that Time Machine by network attached storage wasn't ready and might be enabled in an update. I've tried afp shares, airport disk via afp and neither have yet worked. I have yet to test my Ximeta NDAS share but I don't have drivers which work with it and Leopard. It does not look like the touch .com... command posted in the Apple Discussion forums works with.
Ok I got my airport disk working with time machine supposedly. Someone else please confirm I will post steps.
1) disconnect airport disk and plug into computer as a USB drive directly.
2) Set up time machine to use this volume.
3) In terminal cd to volume "cd /Volume/HDD"
4) In terminal "touch .com.apple.timemachine.supported" this will create an invisible file.
5) In terminal "sudo chown root:admin .com.apple.timemachine.supported"
6) In terminal "sudo chmod 1775 .com.apple.timemachine.supported"
7) In terminal "ls -l -a" the .com.apple.timemachine.supported file should be -rwxrwxr-t
8) eject disk, unplug from mac, plug into Airport.
9) see if Time Machine will use it.
Works for me someone else try it!
forgot a few steps, sorry.
Mount the airport disk in finder using connect to server (command k) afp://basestationname.local./HDDname and then it should work
Does it come with any features that help to reduce the pretentiousness of the user?
And does it come with any features that help block the constant whining and trolling of the non-user?
Did they remove the Japanese text-to-speech feature that used to be listed in the Universal Access pages at apple.com (it can be seen in the wayback archive), but is no longer in the 300+ features page?
Did you install this off a retail disk... and what is the build number if you did???????
I've been looking all over for a real confirmation of the retail disk being 9A581.
I've been wondering that too. I know the pirates are all saying it's 9a581 but you never can be sure.
It's definitely 9A581.
- Time Machine wont USB, but can it backup to FireWire (since in beta i could)
- What version of OpenGL does it have
- Is there a new blue abstract background (tho i know they wern't going to do one earlier, but did they ?)
- Can the Dock get skinned like the beta.
- Is there the possibility of skinning the UI.
Also can i have a free copy ?
Ok Engadget Boys and Girls -- will it run on a non-Mac intel box? Where are the glitches and how easy are the work-arounds.
Here's how E can provide a POV that's different from the rest -- including the aging tech experts at WSJ.
Seconded. E, try it out on a Windows box and see how it works out.
In an VM environment like VMware? Or you mean hacking it to run on an generic x86 box?
I don't think Engagdet staffs hackers. Wait a bit, the osx86'ers will have it running on your PC in no time. (That's if its not already)