I of course, am an Apple fan I think that both deserve more credit for things,but even though Vista might be able to do more is some areas, it dosn't count if it is always bluescreaning.
The bluescreen argument hasn't really been relevant since Windows 98. Get a clue fanboy.. I've been running Tiger side-by-side with Vista for at least 6 months, and I've seen a few kernel panics on OSX, but never a bluescreen on Vista.
Teejay, that's an outright lie. Since buying my Mac in February, I haven't added hardware to it nor have I removed it. I've seen two kernel panics. Thanks.
that's not entirely true teejay. Mine and several other Santa Rosa MBPs that I support were kernal panicing at least once a week while on Airport until Apple repleased new Airport software after the 10.4.10 update.
To Mr. Zhao: "Have you seen Mac prices lately, you ignorant fool?" You're stuck in the early nineties with Gil Emilio. Oh, and in general, go to Best Buy and hold Windows+E on any Wintel box for seven seconds and watch your precious Vista crash and burn. Do it on ALL of them at once like I did!
"The bluescreen argument hasn't really been relevant since Windows 98" can you give me your hardware specs so I can the same hardware? my windows crashes all the time. sometimes not even a blue screen just reboots...=(
The only time I've had BSOD's on Vista is when my RAM voltage was set wrong and when I overclocked farther than what my RAM could handle. Both of those were my fault, not Vista's.
How often does Windows Blue Screen anymore? This is such an OLD complaint. Sometime in the early days or XP or before: but not with current builds of XP and Vista. I'm sure it happens, but it probably happens just as often as Macs shut down prematurely too.
Ben, everyone has personal anecdotal experience to share. Saying, "Well I haven't seen issues." isn't really going to convince anyone. I mean I had a great Dell laptop for years that never had issues and then I had another after that I returned in 3 months because of numerous problems. So what does that prove? Nothing.
Big John, Kernel panics only come from 2 sources... a faulty or poorly written kernel extension or faulty hardware. Just because you haven't altered your configuration doesn't mean the former can't be true. Computers can and do ship with faulty parts. Everything in the guts of a machine is volatile and often has flaws. Or maybe you installed some software that uses kexts - Parallels, Fusion, Cisco VPN, are just a few common ones that get too close to the kernel (in my opinion) and can cause issues. I'd check your logs and see where the panic is coming from and try to resolve it. It's not normal at all.
i've seen the BSOD a few times on xp, but its almost always my fault. its nothing serious anyway, you just gotta reboot. like, oh no, the world's gonna end.
i don't know any exact statistics, but even if mac is slightly more stable than windows, its not enough to really keep ripping on windows about.
"To Mr. Zhao: "Have you seen Mac prices lately, you ignorant fool?" You're stuck in the early nineties with Gil Emilio. Oh, and in general, go to Best Buy and hold Windows+E on any Wintel box for seven seconds and watch your precious Vista crash and burn. Do it on ALL of them at once like I did!"
you ass. that NEARLY crashed my pc, but guess what? i'm still posting.
@ Tallest Skil I'm pretty sure you got about half the people running windows to try that to see what it does. I also have to take issue with the "ignorant fool" comment. Whenever I compare Macs to PCs with the same CPU speed, HD capacity, video card, memory, drive capabilities, etc. I find there to be a price difference of about $100. I think that the argument that Macs are more expensive than PCs has some weight. That said I think the price difference is worth it in most cases.
i've only seen one bluescreen, and that was immediately after i reinstalled. :( wiped my drive installing feisty fawn. after that, it got the right drivers installed, and now i've never seen it again.
maveric101: that's hilarious! I tried it too, and it nearly killed mine.... However, I recovered.
Tallest Skil: you are crazy :-) Of course, opening a gajilion versions of ANY application simultaneously will overload ANY computer, no matter what OS it is running. lol.
To add my bit of anecdotal evidence into the sea: I've been running XP (SP2, and so on) for a very long time, and the ONLY times that it's given me trouble have been those when I've overloaded it. Given normal operation + normal hardware, nothing really ever goes wrong.
BOSD? For me, that's a relic of a much, much older time. I really can't see any reason for even potentially switching over to a mac. But that's just my 2 cents.
(Oh, and when it comes to the cost of Windows vs. UNIX: Windows is pretty cheap when it is bundled with systems (OEM). Failing that, there is always the internet... where software can be downloaded at no cost (as a last resort).)
This is in response to the dumbass who said hold windows key and e for 7 seconds and watch Vista crash and burn. I just did it for about 15 seconds and all it did was open 57 explorer windows then I closed them and boy I sure didn't see any crashing and burning in fact I came back to internet explorer and typed this. Just because you can make a computer crash doesn't mean that will crash ALL of them. Give a few minutes with mac os im sure I can find a way to crash it I mean come on.
Whoa! I just realized that the windows button does more than bring up the start menu! I've been using windows for over 10 years and NEVER heard this from anyone. DAAANG
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Seems fair. And I don't really like Apple at all, either.
I of course, am an Apple fan
I think that both deserve more credit for things,but even though Vista might be able to do more is some areas, it dosn't count if it is always bluescreaning.
but yes, I do think this way fair
The bluescreen argument hasn't really been relevant since Windows 98. Get a clue fanboy.. I've been running Tiger side-by-side with Vista for at least 6 months, and I've seen a few kernel panics on OSX, but never a bluescreen on Vista.
OS X does not go into kernel panics unless your hardware is faulty. Check your ram and or other parts you might have handled...
Teejay, that's an outright lie. Since buying my Mac in February, I haven't added hardware to it nor have I removed it. I've seen two kernel panics. Thanks.
that's not entirely true teejay. Mine and several other Santa Rosa MBPs that I support were kernal panicing at least once a week while on Airport until Apple repleased new Airport software after the 10.4.10 update.
Vista has BSOD sooo many times already
Ubuntu has only given me trouble when I manually configure xorg
Macs are way too expensive
To Mr. Zhao: "Have you seen Mac prices lately, you ignorant fool?" You're stuck in the early nineties with Gil Emilio. Oh, and in general, go to Best Buy and hold Windows+E on any Wintel box for seven seconds and watch your precious Vista crash and burn. Do it on ALL of them at once like I did!
"The bluescreen argument hasn't really been relevant since Windows 98" can you give me your hardware specs so I can the same hardware? my windows crashes all the time. sometimes not even a blue screen just reboots...=(
The only time I've had BSOD's on Vista is when my RAM voltage was set wrong and when I overclocked farther than what my RAM could handle. Both of those were my fault, not Vista's.
How often does Windows Blue Screen anymore? This is such an OLD complaint. Sometime in the early days or XP or before: but not with current builds of XP and Vista. I'm sure it happens, but it probably happens just as often as Macs shut down prematurely too.
Ben, everyone has personal anecdotal experience to share. Saying, "Well I haven't seen issues." isn't really going to convince anyone. I mean I had a great Dell laptop for years that never had issues and then I had another after that I returned in 3 months because of numerous problems. So what does that prove? Nothing.
Big John, Kernel panics only come from 2 sources... a faulty or poorly written kernel extension or faulty hardware. Just because you haven't altered your configuration doesn't mean the former can't be true. Computers can and do ship with faulty parts. Everything in the guts of a machine is volatile and often has flaws. Or maybe you installed some software that uses kexts - Parallels, Fusion, Cisco VPN, are just a few common ones that get too close to the kernel (in my opinion) and can cause issues. I'd check your logs and see where the panic is coming from and try to resolve it. It's not normal at all.
i've seen the BSOD a few times on xp, but its almost always my fault. its nothing serious anyway, you just gotta reboot. like, oh no, the world's gonna end.
i don't know any exact statistics, but even if mac is slightly more stable than windows, its not enough to really keep ripping on windows about.
"To Mr. Zhao: "Have you seen Mac prices lately, you ignorant fool?" You're stuck in the early nineties with Gil Emilio. Oh, and in general, go to Best Buy and hold Windows+E on any Wintel box for seven seconds and watch your precious Vista crash and burn. Do it on ALL of them at once like I did!"
you ass. that NEARLY crashed my pc, but guess what? i'm still posting.
@ Tallest Skil
I'm pretty sure you got about half the people running windows to try that to see what it does. I also have to take issue with the "ignorant fool" comment. Whenever I compare Macs to PCs with the same CPU speed, HD capacity, video card, memory, drive capabilities, etc. I find there to be a price difference of about $100. I think that the argument that Macs are more expensive than PCs has some weight. That said I think the price difference is worth it in most cases.
@Marshall
I think I'd pay $100 to use OS X and not Windows :)
i've only seen one bluescreen, and that was immediately after i reinstalled. :( wiped my drive installing feisty fawn. after that, it got the right drivers installed, and now i've never seen it again.
maveric101: that's hilarious! I tried it too, and it nearly killed mine.... However, I recovered.
Tallest Skil: you are crazy :-) Of course, opening a gajilion versions of ANY application simultaneously will overload ANY computer, no matter what OS it is running. lol.
To add my bit of anecdotal evidence into the sea: I've been running XP (SP2, and so on) for a very long time, and the ONLY times that it's given me trouble have been those when I've overloaded it. Given normal operation + normal hardware, nothing really ever goes wrong.
BOSD? For me, that's a relic of a much, much older time. I really can't see any reason for even potentially switching over to a mac. But that's just my 2 cents.
(Oh, and when it comes to the cost of Windows vs. UNIX: Windows is pretty cheap when it is bundled with systems (OEM). Failing that, there is always the internet... where software can be downloaded at no cost (as a last resort).)
This is in response to the dumbass who said hold windows key and e for 7 seconds and watch Vista crash and burn. I just did it for about 15 seconds and all it did was open 57 explorer windows then I closed them and boy I sure didn't see any crashing and burning in fact I came back to internet explorer and typed this. Just because you can make a computer crash doesn't mean that will crash ALL of them. Give a few minutes with mac os im sure I can find a way to crash it I mean come on.
Whoa! I just realized that the windows button does more than bring up the start menu! I've been using windows for over 10 years and NEVER heard this from anyone. DAAANG