According to a Boy Genius Report that shows an alleged leaked advertisement,
Rogers could be launching the iPhone on its network on December 7th. You're gonna need to take this with a big grain of salt though: the depicted iPhone doesn't show the Rogers logo on the actual iPhone, a red bow effect awkwardly cuts through text on the iPhone, and some comments point out that the Rogers logo is drawn incorrectly. We're leaning towards Photoshop job at this point -- what happened to
the trademark dispute? -- but if it's true, Canadians could be looking at paying $499.99 of their dollars plus signing up to a three year contract in order to pick up their own iPhone. Is the border really that far?
[Thanks, Rich]
posted Oct 28th 2007 10:16AM
I would say shopped as well, but if it is real I'm curious to see the details of the data plan as at the moment the price is no where near the price levels in the states.
I third that.
it doesn't look like a rogers ad. beyond it having the logo. it's not fitting their brand design at all.
rogers ads don't look that cheesy at all
It's unlikely as there is no confirmation but I know for a fact they are going to offer new data plans starting November 1st which would make sense if they are introducing the iPhone. I guess we'll have to wait for December 7th in any case.
Well, $499 is better than what I was expecting, but I'm not too excited that I'll have to sign up for a three year contract with them. The cost of the phone is not really the problem though, its the fact that Rogers will charge me my life's savings per month to use the darn thing. Its not Apple's fault though, telecommunications in Canada is not exactly up to snuff with the states.
Still good news for us Canadians though, now where's my video store Apple?
in canada cellphone speed/services are even worse than in the united states?? Fuck me...
@jodeltje : Yes, cellphone infrastructure is even worse in Canada. Compared to Europe and to Southeast Asia, North America is the third world of telecommunications. The situation is at its absolute worst in Canada because companies behave like a cartel, doing nothing to enhance the service and hell-bent on gougine whatever they can from the customers.
$499 doesn't seems to fit right...but the recent customer backlash may make Apple think twice on demanding a higher price.
WEll, even if this is true, we should be glad that the iPhone is not CDMA, as otherwise Telus would be charging $800 and a lifetime contract.
Ha! Telus would charge you the $800 and lifetime contract... but could you imagine what Ma BELL would charge?
It would be cool if Virgin had the iPhone.
My virgin bill is about a quarter what I was paying with Bell, better service, more time and no contract!
If this were true...499 is too much...the canadian currency is worth more than the US now and the iphone is 399 in US that doesnt make any sense...
Add to that a THREE year contract and it's downright ridiculous. Poor canucks..just hop on a bus Gus, have a little plan Stan, go unlock the phone Joan and set yourself free!
Pacific Mall here in Toronto has 'em without the contracts =).
I think about 5 out of like 10 of the cellphone stores have them posted up on their walls.
3 year contract and $499? expecially considering the canadian dollars beat the USD, this doesn't sound like a good deal. Preorder on Rogers.com? err... nope. not even a fragment of ipone is there. Although i doubt the credibility of this ad, the iphone should come to Canada before the holidays. Good luck Canada.
Meh, Photoshopped.
The word "Rogers" isn't even capitalized at one point in the Fine print, and the rest of it smells of being made up at several points.
Rogers might be a screwed up company, but if there's one thing they never forgot it's something so trivial as making sure that Uncle Ted's last name is used properly everywhere.
The only place that Rogers isn't capitalized is when it's used in the rogers.com address. I agree that the ad looks suspect, but at least the photochopper wasn't *that* sloppy.
Shopped, and by a moron. It says Apple(C) iPhone(TM) which is completely wrong: the copyright symbol is never used after a name. It should be a (R) registered trademark.
Looks very Photoshopped. I've been seeing Rogers ads for most of my life and I know that even Rogers has better style than that.
Agreed, its a fake, Rogers dosn't do ads like this. And is it me or does it say November 20th under preorder. Also i find the sentence styling is quite off, as in its not something id see in a Ad, unless its fake.
Who actually cares really. Its just another phone in a market sopping full of them. We should stop being such a disposable society.
Hi, you must be new here!
The side view of hte iPhone is also on a angle...
Is it just me, or does the ad seem cut off from the left?
I would bet anybody all the treasure in the world that if and when the iPhone comes to Rogers in Canada, Rogers will have the Wifi removed straight up and charge data fees. And even though the flyer looks fake...there's every reason to suspect Rogers WOULD charge 499...why? They're the single GSM provider in the entire country. (Fido doesn't count its owned by Rogers) Its very pathetic, that such a rich country like Canada is stuck wiht so little choice in respects to cell phones...the Eastern Europeans have it better, isin't that a sign?
do realize that eastern european countries are getting a zillion bucks a days for good infrastructure and shit from western europe...so on all that stuff there pretty hi-tech (roads/internet/phone/tv/airports).
and in 10 years...poland will be as rich as canada is now :)
No choice? Canada has 3 major telecoms, Rogers, Telus and Bell which pretty much split the market evenly. You should be happy that Rogers subsidizes cell phone for customers, or would you rather pay $500+ for a blackberry...
@ NOMI he was pretty clear in saying the only GSM provider! there is no CDMA iphone therefore bell and telus could never carry it. if apple wants to release the iphone to the canadian market it has to be on Rogers' terms, that is the big problem.
@ jodeltje
I'm Polish, and in 10 years time maybe we'll have a highway going from Belarus to Germany if we're lucky. First we need our politics cleaned up just look at what the Kaczynski brothers did in a matter of 2 years... they almost succeded in isolating Poland from the rest of the EU. I wish very much that Poland could one day become as rich as Canada or even more..but that will take a long, long time.
@ Nomi
Please do your homework before posting, I clearly said GSM provider. I'm well aware of Telus and Bell. As for subsidizing phones, please explain the financial sense in buying ANY phone from rogers @ say even a petty $100 but being forced and locked into a 3 year contract paying around 40 dollars a month (and 40 is bloody conserative). Doing the math after 3 years you spend 1440 in bills. So all in all your phone cost you 1540. And for 1540 you can buy 2 Nokia n95's or 2 SE K850's even. So to answer your question yes I would rather jump on eBay buy myself a quand band unlocked cell and pay $500 ($500 for a cell is a lot, unless your an early adopter, a much more sound price is around $300-$400) for it because it will be cheaper than going to Rogers in the first place should I want another phone or even drop the plan after a years time. I'd still be carrying my k750 around if I locked myself into a 3 year plan and that phone never reached the stores here.
@ stephan habicht
thanks :)
Goodluck using your two n95s without a cellphone plan to go with it. Why do people add the $40 or so per month (I'm paying $30 after tax/fees for unlimited calling after 6pm and weekends with another 250 anytime minutes and rogers to rogers calling) to the cost of the phone when they are obviously getting a service for that price. You'll still end up spending money on bills regardless of the cost of your phone. So at least with this, I can get a new phone for $150 or so every year when my HUP renews.
@stephan
I was commenting on "Canada is stuck wiht so little choice in respects to cell phones" and not the iPhone being stuck with Rogers, so sorry if thats what it ended up looking like.
To each his own then. But if I must be stubborn... Canada is vastly behind the world in cell phone choice, and that can't be disputed.
Actually, Rogers, Telus, and frickin Teacher's Pension Plan! LOL since they recently acquired Bell Canada. Though I don't think any relabelling is going to happen heh.
Those crazy folks own everything up here.
Damn will the iphone ever make it to Australia? By all accounts it won't make a showing here till late 2008 or early 2009.
That's just ridiculous. Version 2 iphone will be out by then.
Hmmm maybe that's not such a bad thing ;p
ROFL 499 + 3 years???? Yeahhh ok. At most Canadian Buy/sell websites you can get an 8 GB unlocked version WITHOUT the rediculous contracts for $30 more and that's an 1.1.1 version of the phone. This will fail so ridiculously bad it's not even funny.
If you think that price is far fetched, remember here in the UK its going to be £269, with a £35 per month tariff, that works out to $550 for the phone and $71 a month for the tariff....
Still happy to have picked up an unlocked phone. The *only* thing that will make me regret my decision is if somehow Rogers offers an incredible data plan to go with it. If that is the case, I would gladly have paid the 499 price tag and sign any contract. Another non-issue is the contract. There is no other GSM company in Canada and I enjoy the flexibility that SIM cards provide too much to ever switch to Bell or Telus. Even with the contract you can change your plan anyways if you need to
That's funny, I was in a Rogers Store two days ago and I asked when the iPhone will be release here. The girl at the desk told me in a discrete way that they expecting it for Xmas Holidays but then her manager appeared and denied this information. He told me that it will probably be release in the first Q or half 2008, *IF* it is release by Rogers.
Suspense...
Fact: Rogers is the GSM bully in Canada. So they'll be the ones dishing the jesus phone. Fido at the moment is in absolutely no financial shape to get that kind of exclusivity deal with Apple.
Marketing companies make shitty moch-ups all the time for clients. I really wouldn't be surprised if it was made start some hype train and viral notoriety or it was a sample for a promotion that will start within the next few weeks.
The phone is coming, it will be on Rogers, the 3 year contract is really NOT out of the ordinary and Rogers will always gouge the crap out of it's customers, new or old.
What are you talking about? Fido is Rogers... no thanks in part to the CRTC letting Rogers buy them.
it's JUDAS PHONE okay! NOT jesus phone - JUDAS!
I'm sure this is shopped. For one Apple never tacks on 99 cents to their products. Not to mention that no pre-order is currently available in the markets where the iPhone has actually been announced, much less where it hasn't. In all likeliness Apple will release in Canada as soon as it can get Rogers to comply with everything it wants, probably better data plans, no bitching about WiFi and some dividends back Apples way. Also given the current price mark ups for Canada, a 429 to 449 price seems pretty likely.
Regardless if Rogers comes out with the iphone, it will be cheaper to buy one without a contract and unlock it. If a reasonable data plan comes out with the iphone then it will be worth it.
we're always getting the shaft here in canada. things better start to change soon. our dollar is now above the US dollar value, there's no reason we shouldn't be paying on par (before PST/GST) for identical products.
LOL, I've got some bad news for you. Our low dollar just makes your HIGH DOLLAR even worse.
Listen, all you canadians keep complaining about prices in your country. Prices are high because your GOVERNMENT taxes and regulates your markets to DEATH.
You can't have it both ways -- you can't elect representatives to your Government who spend billions of dollars on social programs and welfare and healthcare and then expect to get an iPhone and cell data plan for the same price as an American. We buy our own healthcare! American companies [most, anyway] live and die by themselves! They don't get a check from the Federal Government for FAILING!
Poor randy should have been told "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt" before that comment.
@ Randy
Seriously, open mouth, insert foot !
Do you realize what GST and PST are ? Does are the taxes... We are arguing that with a strong dollar we should be paying very similar prices as the US does, plus possibly a small tariff considering this is an import for us. As you may or may not know, although taxes are high, most Canadians are comfortable with the governement spending billions on social programs, you know the free healthcare and all...
Yeah, randy's argument is clearly ignorant. The Canadian government applies tax in the form of GST and PST, not in the retail price. And there's no reason the iPhone wouldn't be at parity with the US price: it's not made in America, it's made in Taiwan. If anything, it would be cheaper to bring it to Canada. Many electronics products are lowering in price in Canada as new versions/skus are released. For example, the PS3 went down in price with the 40GB unit (the 80GB dropped as well) to be at par with the US.
The real barrier to the iPhone in Canada is the insane mobile data rates.
"...a date which will live in infamy." Geez, I'm surprised I was the first one on that.
as far as the rogers logo on the phone... it's actually a rare thing for rogers up here to brand the phone... as far as the price... that's absolute BS. Our dollar is better than the US dollar. It's about time american vendors get used to that fact and stop screwing us over!!
Hahaha, it's a fake. It's not even the right logo for rogers wireless.
My iPhone already works on rogers. Btw Rogers is soo bad and sooooo expensive....
700mb of data costs $1600cdn ($1640us?) on rogers.
keep the phone. bring us an american cell company instead.
wtf no it doesnt
it costs 80 bucks CAD
what are you smoking? cuz i'd love to try some!
being from canada and seeing rogers ads all the time, this is 99% fake, they use much bolder letters and rarely put that much text on the page
and its gonna be so expensive for data
in canada there is no such word "unlimited data"
for 100$ a month u get:
Included Email & Web 1024 MB
Additional Data Usage +$3/MB
US Roaming Data Usage +$3/MB
Additional Voice Usage +30¢/minute
Monthly System Access Fee $6.95
Monthly Enhanced 911 Emergency Access Charge 75¢
**************
notice how that dosent include talking minutes eh:D
Well:
499.99 CAD = 519.71 USD
This could easily be a result of a few things. The (potentially fake) ad was drafted when the CAD to USD excahnge rate was differnt. Or more likely, with the addition of taxes from your loving government (any government that taxes on blank CDs to combat piracy is a government that loves it's people), import fees, exclucivity fees, and other fees that involve the sheer amount of fees you will be charged the price is ungodly.
Any word on the price of the iPhone over in europe? is it comprable to the price of it in the states? if not is is around $500? if so then that price might not be so odd after all.
As for the ad it'self, it could be a photoshop, or it could just be a mockup/prototype. It's possible it's an internal leak, not really all that likely due to the fact that it's not a very good ad (the phone has somehting in front of it, and is cut off... bad chi) but it is cut off, so it could only be half of an ad.
The iPhone will eventually come to Canada, no dobt in my mind, and since AT&T has no counterpart in the great white north, rogers could be the carrier that brings the fruit to the masses... or it could just be some 16 year old kid messing with canadians... both plausable.
considering this is a leaked ad, its possible that this is an early version, but its reasonable to expect rogers would have a iphone availble for christmas, for the cell phone companys and everything else christmas is big for sales, the iphone is a big popular cellphone, even europe will have iphones in november. i can see the ads (overplayed of course) for iphone now
faked.
check this out:
http://www.charterworld.com/index.html?sub=christmas-new-years
uses the same exact red bow as this website.
OMG!
It goes even further, they use the same iPhone as this site!
http://www.apple.com
The iPhone, unfortunately, will be more expensive to buy in Canada then in the US, REGARDLESS of the currency exchange rate.
Even if by some chance Apple/Rogers are appealing to the same percentage of the population in Canada and in the US... they will clearly sell LESS iPhones in Canada then they would across the border because, well, Canada's population is dramatically lower than in the US.
For Apple to make the same/similar profit in Canada, they need to up the price because they know they are going to be selling less units.
......
huh?
stay in school.
It's fake. Molson recently pulled an iPhone prize as part of it's new contest here in Quebec and publicly said it was a mistake and Rogers also commented that no iPhone was due in Jan. 2008.
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/financialpost/story.html?id=1d77ed41-6982-413f-b8c7-3d802a216d8d&k=15535
Why did this Roger person spell "PREORDER" in UPPERCASE? IS THIS HOW CANADIAN ADVERTISING WORKS? BY SHOUTING COMMANDS IN UPPERCASE?
that looks like a Radio Shack add! The cheap looking one in the flyer's.
I was in a Rogers store yesterday inquiring about a tech upgrade as my current phone is horrible. When I asked the guy when we can expect Rogers to get the iPhone his response was:
The sticking points with the iPhone right now are Rogers has its own music store that Rogers customers have to use to load music on their phones, and that Rogers has just spent millions upgrading their data network beyond EDGE technology.
Apparently the Roger's Music Store was a failure, and now they are planning to dismantle it.
ITS TRUE!!!! i was showing the sales rep at rogers my unlocked iphone i just got on thurs and he was telling me how it was gonna be coming out on rogers in december. he also said that apple and rogers werent seeing eye to eye on seperate rate plans for the iphone. which they already do for blackberry customers. anyways i hope there is a way to convert my unlocked iphone to a rogers locked unit so i can update firmware.
It's not going to happen. If it does, as other posters have noted- it's not going to be worth purchasing. I'm going to take it a step further and say they find a way to prevent you from adding songs to it via BT or docking, thus killing the iPod functionality. We can also bet that only certain things will be "unlimited" if there is any truth to that option making its way up here. Perhaps pre-caching various popular websites, but everything else will cost you.
Wow, C$500. 3 year contract. For that price, they better give unlimited data and unlimited maple syrup (lol, had pancakes this morning, just felt like making a canuck-related joke). Somehow I've got a feeling that though this ad is fake, Rogers will actually charge that much once it's announced.
This is the first time that I genuinely believe that UK customers are getting the best deal :)
did anyone other than me notice that the top-down view of the "iPhone" is actually the iPod Touch?... best evidence that it's a chop job...
that and the fact that Rogers would NEVER use green fonts in their ads...
Hmmm 3 years hell noooooo!!!its like u are selling your soul to the devil.
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I used to work for the big red clowns. I worked in an area where "creative" was produced. I've read the 3" thick (I kid not) "Branding Standards"
You will NEVER see the Rogers name separated from the "Covergence Loop." Ever. The branding police would come and throw you off the property.
100% fake.
Why would there be a copyright logo next to the "Apple" text???
Should be a little R for rights reserved for the name or TM for trademark...
I think we can all agree on this...
mobile data in canada is a dream for now
ted rogers is a dink
everyone here is proud of how much they're getting screwed out of a month for their cellphone, even though for a lot of people it's over $80
we have apple products up here, but this one looks to be a little late to market
canadians love having a high dollar, but only because our news reports on it more than they do pretty much anything else :P
Rogers' ads are usually red with white font. The green doesn't even make sense. Rogers' ads are also quite a bit cleaner--this looks very messy. I agree with whoever though, that it'll cost around $499/3yr contract. Remember the Razr when it first came out? $$$$
Well, my contract doesn't even end until May. I'll just get a $100 phone from MTS with only a 1 year contract--I'm cheaping out this year.
Oh wonderful....Snobbery for the rest of us.
Seriously. The iPhone == Look at me I'm special. I'm trendy. I've ever so popular.
I've yet to meet someone with an iPhone. I hope when I do its in a parking lot, at night, check that late at night. Fewer witnesses that way.
Seriously iPhone == no more f*king third app to badly sync a phone device on a Mac.
If you don't like or need it, don't buy it. Don't worry, we will not judge you.
@ OnZeFly
very true - having a device that CAN sync with a computer SHOULD have software that actually DOES - poorly written software is reason enough to migrate to hardware that is complimented with software.
It is the JUDAS PHONE though
The add is false; others have pointed that out quite succinctly.
Also, the trademark dispute with Comwave hasn't yet been settled so the iPhone trademark is still up in the air. Rogers can't even think about promoting the phone until that dispute is settled;
Secondly, Rogers can't start promoting the phone until Apple officially announces the phone's availability in Canada. Remember when Orange in France announced that they would carry it? They had to retract the statement and wait two weeks until Apple made it official. It won't officially show up here until Apple makes it official.
PLEEEEASE make it soon!
sorry I'm not buying it - the JUDAS PHONE can stay the hell out of Canada for all I care - our laws may also have something to say about that bricking firmware - this will appeal to people who have a income a little higher than middle class and they want to make sure everyone around them knows.
anyone else see the JUDAS PHONE commercials on TV in Canada yet?
After going to the Q4 launch party last night I will say that you will not see this phone for x-mas. The Rogers Tag-line for Q4 is "Bling in the new year." They will be pushing the Razer2 and the LG shine slider as well as the "vision" phones. For the readers to the south, Rogers Vision is the first video calling of its kind in North America. That being said, Apple and Iphone got referenced all night here and there and if anything I expect we will see something in Q1 or Q2.
Rogers isn't the only GSM provider in Canada. There is also DCI, which is much better:
http://www.dcitelecom.com/
I think it's late for them,
Turkey has it already :)
How is this possible?
Real Rogers iPhone Ad:
http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/4396/rogerswirelessiphoner3ry6.jpg
this isn't up to roger brand guidelines.
i'm gonna say yes this is a fake... for the obvious reasons stated in other comments, but also because its a friday... apple doesnt do releases on fridays...
Well, December 7th has come and gone and still no iPhone...
And anybody that knows anything about design knows that this ad is a complete fake since it's so poorly done. I can list dozens of design errors after just glancing at the ad. Simply an amateur having some fun. Definitely not an official Rogers ad, and going by the date, it's now been proven. The 'Real Rogers iPhone Ad' posted by Anonymous is much more inline with Rogers standards and is at least properly done.
Two things have been holding up the iPhone release in Canada:
1. The iPhone trademark is currently owned by Comwave, a national VoIP provider in Canada that markets a VoIP product called iPhone.
2. Rogers greedy data plans which, compared to AT&T's iPhone plan would cost $1000 more due to the amount of data required when using the iPhone (ie. visual voicemail, sending/receiving email and attachments, etc)
Considering both points however, it's reasonable to assume that Rogers, Apple and Comwave have all had a reasonable amount of time to address these challenges. This means that we could hear news about the iPhone release in Canada during Steve Jobs' Keynote at this month's 2008 Macworld Conference and Expo.
More info on my blog at: http://benlucier.ca/work/communications/macworld-apple-to-announce-iphone-in-canada/