Mac OS X 10.5.1 seeded to developers
By Paul Miller 
posted Nov 7th 2007 7:05PM
posted Nov 7th 2007 7:05PM
With the number of bugs that've already been reported for Leopard -- most of which are fairly inherent in any .0 release, but are no less annoying -- it doesn't take much of a rumor-enthusiast to figure out that Apple is hard at work on a 10.5.1 update. The first fruit of that effort just hit ADC developers today, in the form of build 9B13. The update is pretty broad, and since this is just the first seed of 10.5.1, there's no telling how long it'll take for Apple to get this all tightened up for public consumption. Issues that are being addressed include:- Mail Sync
- Spotlight Index
- Disk Management
- DesktopServices and moving files across partitions
- Text Drawing
- iCal and CalDAV syncing
- Keychain login
- Read-Only Issue with SMB
- AirPort 802.1X
- Application Firewall
- To-Do Notes
- and Smart Mailboxes.
New (non-specific) issues fixed:
- Mail Sync
- HTML anchors in Mail
- PubSub headers in installhdrs
- Parental Controls corruption in certain situations
- Fix to SpotlightIndex
- Disk Management and free space records
- iCal and CalDAV syncing
- Mail Sync and Smart Mailboxes
- Email alarms and iCal
- Text drawing corruption and QuickDraw Manager
- Disk Management and RAID
- Keychain login fix
- Custom presets with Page Setup and Print Dialogs
- Read-Only issue with SMB
- AirPort 802.1X issues
- DesktopServices and moving files across partition
- Fix to Application Firewall
- To-Do Notes and Smart Mailboxes
I installed it on my PB 1GHz with 512MB and its definately faster than Tiger :). WiFi is the only thing I am having problems with but I think its my laptop hardware since it was problem in Tiger :(.
Well, you must have a magic powerbook because on my iBookG4 1.2 with 768 megs ram, its a fu*king disaster. Time machine is a slide show. Jumping from desktop to desktop shows 3 or 4 frames max. Typing in Safari is delayed by at least 3 or 5 keystrokes. On this machine, coverflow is pointless. And this all happened the very first time i used it (fresh install of course).
Vista runs fine on a two year old laptop (by experience). Why is Leopard a dog on my iBook? I know Steve doesnt remember he used to use PowerPC on his computers, so i dont expect a new performance patch, ever.
So this 10.5.1 most likely wont help me one bit. What a waste.
...Oh, and on occasion, the entire screen gets some kind of weird screen corruption, but only while a program is closing, the system reboots, or when theres heavy load and i request it to do something else. Getting my application folder open takes about 4 - 6 seconds. On occasion, a preview of a small PDF (which takes a few seconds to open in preview) takes about 10 - 15 seconds to load on quick view. With VLC or FlipForMac, WMV's cannot be rendered quickly enough to display fluidly. HD video, which was viewable in Panther (and to a lesser extent Tiger, 720p only) is now a slide show.
Does 10.5.1 fix that?
:(
Did you upgrade or did you do a clean install?
I installed it on my PB 1GHz with 512MB and its definitely faster than Tiger :). WiFi is the only thing I am having problems with but I think its my laptop hardware since it was problem in Tiger :(.
That's exactly why I never opt. to install something that's "the latest and the greatest".
Since it's so brand new, it will take time for the market to break into it.
Vista is having trouble, mainly because companies just won't allow their old software/new software to work with Vista. NOT because it has to do anything with Vista itself, but the lack of support of old software is disappointing.
Same with the iPhone. A full multitouch phone is so new, and obviously it came with problems/quirks like reduced price (sorry early adopters!), bad screens, NO 3rd party support, and a ton of things.
Now the same rules are being applied to Leopard. I know a TON of Apple fanboys suggest upgrading to Leopard. I laugh at them. The only worthy feature really, is Time Machine, and even that feature is going through problems. Nothing is ever perfect. I mean, compared to XP to Vista, Tiger to Leopard is such a minor update that Tiger users don't really need to upgrade.
So until things settle down, I'll continue using what's been known to work best.
Actually time machine is not that important, or it's just buggy at any rate to me it's nothing more than a curiosity.
I'm far more impressed with spaces, which I could not live without now and the web clip dashboard feature which transforms the dashboard into something useful. Quick look is also very useful as is the new finder, although I'm not quite convinced coverflow is that useful for it yet.
Yeah, spaces and quick look - I keep a lot of old ideas filed away from years ago and until leopard they were all but lost, but now that I can view anything quickly and easily after being enticed by the presentation of the file in cover flow (all in my work-space, of course) - I am all of a sudden rediscovering a ton of stuff I never would have seen again.
You've been able to get "spaces" for free for *years* on Linux. Nice to see Apple is finally catching up. Notice I said catching up, not caught up. It still looks nicer and is much more versatile in compiz fusion than it is in Leopard.
He also had spaces right on tiger (whatever it was called, before it got bought by Apple) and possibly panther (im not too sure). You could even set the transition to a spinning cube, a slide, a flip, dissolve, etc. And it was just as fast as spaces on Leopard is now. Im starting to think of less reasons to keep Leopard on my iBook (actually, i really have none).
Wait, did you just try to shift blame for a lack of 3rd party support on people other than Apple with regards to the iPhone? Because last I checked, Apple was taking a metaphorical (and quite possibly literal , in some cases) axe to everyone who tries to put 3rd party apps on iPhones, so I think this may be their fault in some small way
Mac OSX Beta
When is Vista SP1 again?
So bugs in the latest version of OSX are 'are fairly inherent in any .0 release' and yet when MS announces they are working on SP1 for Vista to fix various bugs and add features this is down to sloppy work by MS?
It would be, if they waited a full year to fix those bugs... :)
This is exactly why you shouldn't publicly make fun of someone else company. Apple must be feeling pretty damn stupid right now.
@jcohen2
That's not a fair comparison. An Microsoft SP isn't the same as an Apple quick fix. If this resolves all of Leopard's issues, then you can brag.
Did you seriously just suggest that SP1 is going to fix all of the bugs in Vista? Come on, there is a reason win 2000 is on SP4 and XP on SP2. No one ever fixes ALL of the problems, they just fix the most glaring of the bunch. Apple is commendable for pushing an update so quickly for the errors that it shouldnt have, Vista public beta has been out for a year and they have yet to release a patch for anything, but when SP1 comes out it will probably fix a good deal of the problems.
There is a good reason why admin's dont switch to the "latest and greatest" as soon as possible. The Mac Pro/G5 array i run is running 10.4.8 because it runs well and isn't unstable in the sligtest (relatively speaking - it is by no means flawless), hell i am even hesitant to upgrade my XP box to vista because of vista public beta's problems.
Errrrr Vista has been out of beta for a long time now and just how long was the Leopard beta available to download?
As to fixing bugs MS has already released several patches via Windows Updates. Service Packs tend to be mostly a collection of the most important updates/patches that have already been released.
Neither company is better than the other but Apple does have the advantage of having a pretty good idea of what the computers hardware will be where as Microsoft have to code for the almost infinite variety of PC's there are out there.
One feature I'm hoping they address is the stack. After reading about them, I really thought I would love stacks, but in practice all they give you are a bunch of random unidentifiable icons on your dock. Apple finalized Dashboard sometime after 10.4.0 (by adding the option to remove or upgrade widgets and adding a Widget manager). Maybe they can do the same for Stacks and figure out a way to include a picture of the containing folder into the stack's icon...
Even in the real world, if you put a bunch of things in a folder it *still* looks like a folder! Most of the desktop items are based on real-life analogies (like folders, and the trash, and the desk top, etc.). Stacks just brings the real-life concept of "mess" onto the MacOS Desktop ;)
Hear, hear.
Stacks sound really nice in theory, but the way that Apple has implemented it is horrible. Just some simple options to allow users to 'open in finder' automatically, use folder icons, and some type of hierarchical menus.
And they really ought to re-add the feature to make stacks 'on the go', by dragging random files into the dock to create a stack - temporary smart folders.
But what's that Steve? Oh, that's for when you admit it's a problem.
Agreed, I hate stacks. I'll probably never use it, unless I have all shortcuts to all my applications inside it. I was hoping it would display icons and folders in subfolders as well like in Tiger, but no. Now it really is a mess, and I as sure as hell am not using 'fan' option either as it doesnt show all icons in a folder from stacks. Furthermore, when using grid, the size is massive, I even looked for an option to resize it but no such luck. Id like a choice of turning stacks on or off. I dont give a shit if Steve Jobs finds this innovative for himself, its the general public that decides whether or not features stay. His charisma has been pissing me off since he got all pompous about the ipod.
Another drawback to leopard is quickview; pressing space bar on any image or document will give u a preview, as well as in coverflow. Using the cursor keys in quickview in windowed mode will allow you to switch from previous to next image, BUT, in full screen mode this is not possible, its stuck on the single image. This is rather an easy fix and disappointing to see as well.
All around i really like leopard, but it needs tweaking. Stacks has gotta go though, its made my day more difficult than easy.
About your stacks comment, I found switching to the grid view makes the stacks much more useful and more legible also. One thing that bums me out is in the WWDC copy of Leopard, the stacks were just a bit different and better if you ask me. In that beta version with my applications folder on the dock, when you open an application i.e. Photoshop CS3, you would click on the Photoshop folder and it would open into another stack. Unlike the current version of Leopard which opens that program into a Finder window. This makes the desktop much more cluttered and more time consuming. Bring back the old stacks!!!!!!!!
for me 802.11x does not work worth sh**! I cannot connect to my universities wireless network 85% of the time since i upgraded to leopard.... i am not too happy, can't wait till they fix that.
You know its funny...
how all these little D-bag fanboys can get all uppity about vista issues at the drop of a hat
BUT MAC CAN'T SEEM TO GET IT RIGHT EITHER, AND ON A MUCH MORE NARROW HARDWARE BASIS TO BOOT.
Leopard doesnt seem so damn "untouchable" or "innovative" now does it...
Also, the BSOD thing should be laid to rest once and for all, get it off the damn icons and grow up.
with innovation comes setbacks, deal with and shut your mouth before you harp on something because you don't like it.
Im a fan of leopard, Vista, Linux and anything else that progresses technology - FLAWS AND ALL
Accually, the only reason why 10.5 is out too early is due to market demand. If there wasn't a demand for it, then apple would of done as it always has tried to do before and wait until its good. This time, they were forced to declare a date and keep to it. Becuase of the iPhone sucking up all the OS engineers, there was limited time to polish 10.5. Just saying the facts, not trying to flame.
Sorry, I don't buy that argument at all. Publishers push software out early all the time, but Apple's the publisher and the developer in this case, and they're big enough to say "when it's done" and that would be that.
Because if Apple stopped making terrible Windows software and throwing it at the unsuspecting masses, they wouldn't be able to call Windows unstable or slow.
Granted, Adobe has a part in this as well so there would still be quite a lot of bloat hiding away, but "Windows" would become noticeably faster if Apple's Windows software just killed itself.
Then they would be stuck at square 1, having to find a new method, beyond sabotage, to convince people to switch.
MS announce SP1 for Vista after 3 month since it's been launched: People "Vista is Crap"
Apple release SP1-beta for Leopard after 1 week since launch: People "It's good that Apple support new OS"
Funny -_-'
Vista doesn't work with half the things it's meant to work with. For example printers. My roomate's computer refuses to work half the time and the problem appears to just be on word. Another friend's laptop running Vista works perfectly all the time.
Leopard includes printer drivers in the system - no downloading, no fuss, no installers. You just plug the thing in and you're good to go.
Also I don't really understand how being quicker at releasing the first service pack to your new operating system makes a company worse at support.
I just don't understand people comparing the 10.X.X releases to Service Packs.
Service Packs are gigantic, massive et. al roundups of several bugfixes across several hardware profiles. They (sometimes) introduce new features to an operating system. In the case of WinXP, a standard (no Service Pack) install is a completely different operating system than a SP2 install. New features added, young features fleshed out.
10.X.X updates are a few bugfixes across a small hardware profile, granted. The complainers are typically the extremely vocal minority, at least that's what the last three or four 10.4.X updates looked like. I'm not aware (though my Mac history is short) of any 10.X.X release offering a new operating system feature of the caliber of Spaces, Time Machine, Spotlight etc.
The launch of any operating system, not just MS/Apple releases, is going to have bugs. You can test, test, test for years to a select group of beta testers. The second you release it into the wild, you're going to find more bugs. That's the nature of software in general! If every piece of software was bug-free, many programmers would be out of a job. Detractors of MS for taking so long to update Vista and detractors of Apple for taking little time to update Leopard alike need to shut their trap. People, no matter what OS they use, aren't contributing to a constructive discussion by comparing the two.
Disclosure: Using iMac with Leopard at home, Latitude 600m with WinXP SP2 on the road/in the classroom.
Yeah, people said Vista is crap. But that was said before any promised service pack. And I don't remember any reviewers saying Leopard is great because they had a hunch Apple will be quick to release updates.
It's like an awful book and a good book had already gotten their reviews, and weeks later, both needed to fix some unreadable sentences due to printing issues. And you say, wait a minute, both are fixing their bugs but you say one's an awful book and the other is a good book?
@bhaal: Vista came with drivers for my all-in-one printer. Everything I plugged in worked except for my old, proprietary graphics card that is only found in one laptop model.
Bugs being patched... quickly?
But... but... why?
Definitely faster than the tiger...
Carmelo Lisciotto
I installed Leopard onto my iMac and I haven't seen any issues yet and I didn't have to update any of my 3rd party software that I had already installed.
My company gave me a new laptop with Vista already installed and I can't get most of my software to work with it. I have Adobe 6 Professional that works flawlessly on my XP machine but is not compatible with Vista. The only way to get Adobe Professional on my Vista machine is to but the latest and greatest version. Why should I have to upgrade 3 party software just because the OS was upgraded.
Before I got the new laptop I was about ready to upgrade my XP desktop to Vista but I would have had to buy a new video card just to run Vista. WHY???
@got2bwireless:
No, you don't have to upgrade your video card to run Vista. You have to upgrade your video card for Vista to be extra-pretty. I resisted Vista for a while, but now that 3rd-party support is beginning to kick in, it's pretty nice.
anybody else having issues with Front Row crashing?
I don't know, while I know there are always going to be bugs, it sure seems like there should be a lot fewer for an OS that has been in development for such a long time and has such a small amount of hardware it needs to be compatible with. Plus, it sure seems like that list cuts to the core of pretty much everything you might want to do with a computer. Problems moving files? Sounds a lot like Vista to me.
Apple it just works RIGHT?
God, I hate it when people say stuff like that. Neither Microsoft nor Apple is perfect, end of discussion.
Someguy
but that's apples slogan. everything make make "just works"
tell them to shut up if your sick of hearing it
MS aren't perfect, they are even Ok :P
Service pack 1 for Leopard. That did not take long.
I expected more problems with a .0 release but Leopard has definitely broken the mentality that a RTM release can be decent.
Now if only they'd change those damn scrollbars (and the color scheme to match iTunes 7 too).
One can dream. So much for a unified UI.
Cant come to soon, we are already thinking of going back to Tiger, I hate being a beta tester :(
resist....must...resist.... aw hell
developers
developers
developers
developers!
And you know he isn't using Firefox on the Mac... how?
I have at least 5 - 6 major problems with my vista installation. I have to wait a year for them to maybe be fixed with an SP1 that is currently in beta and should have been available 10 months ago. A year after launch and 84 updates later is not enough for the biggest software company to address ANY of the issues I face with their OS!
On the other hand I have identified 3 serious issues with my Leopard the last couple weeks, the 10.5.1 list touches on all of them so hopefully there is a fix for every single one. I have been using OS X since Jaguar and none of the problems I was facing with the initial releases remained past the 10.x.3 release. That is 3 - 4 months after release tops.
So yes call me whatever but I surely prefer Apple's way of dealing with OS bugs.
I will never forget the mess of XP SP1 that caused Explorer to take MINUTES!!!! to display the contents of a folder. After several non-fixes and years gone by SP2 came along. In the mean time I just had to deal with Explorer being unusable! Sorry Windows is an ok OS but most of the time it is inexcusably horrible.
Explain those 5-6 major issues.
Yeah, I'd like to hear those 5-6 issues too. Maybe you're just an idiot and didn't set something up correctly. I sure hope your issue isn't "my scanner manufacturer hasn't made vista drivers." FYI, it's not Microsoft's job to make drivers for another company's product.
compare this to the monthly updates microsoft does with windows. this is much less extensive than a full service pack.
But then there's nothing to whine about!
Why do you think it is Apples fault and not bad programming in FireFox? You know that all those part time open source people have the best quality control and testing process.
I can't believe I just defended Apple! They are going to take my MS Fanboy license away now.... Wait, I did take a swipe at open source... whew!!! That was scary.
A reply to Ruben:
Problem number one: Transferring files over a network, absolutely horrendously slow! No matter what I have tried transferring files over a Gigabit connection is just turtle speed slow.
Problem number two: I have disabled automatic updates. Vista has kicked me several times already from what I was doing with NO warning automatically restarting after doing updates. No setting I have changed makes any difference apparently.
Problem number three: Invariably if I double click to start a program BEFORE the desktop has fully loaded I get a nice blue screen. That happens both with my Shuttle and my Mac Mini so it is not memory / corrupt HD issue as I thought.
Problem number four: ALL my games take about 2 minutes to load.... even after clean installs. In XP same games take seconds.
Problem number five: Redrawing the screen takes major time even in my shuttle with E6750, 2600XT and 4 yes 4GB RAM. If I have more than 10 windows on the screen redrawing the rest of windows when i minimize/close the front one takes several seconds. That is always the case when I come out of a game.
Problem number six: The responsiveness of the OS is PATHETIC! Nothing is instant or near instant. From click to action the OS takes its own good time. Also software installs make the OS stop responding or to respond with considerable lag several times. Very frustrating.
1: I get about 8MBps, which is about all im going to get out of 100Mbps line.
2: It really shouldnt ever do that. At most, it will give you a warning, but never just shut down. At least, not for me or anyone i know. Odd.
3: What is the error indicated in the blue screen. Blue screens are caused by hardware or drivers, so something is wrong with your setup.
4: Even solitare? Something is wrong with your install, because even on my older 160gig single drive, it never took that long for me. Christ, even my laptop can get Halo up and running faster, and thats a 4200rpm drive.
5: Again, something is really wrong with your drivers/hardware. I had a 6800GS and could load 30 windows. No redrawing issue, whatsoever.
6: I know what thats like. Leopard is doing the same thing for me on my iBook. I have a Quad and my PC is an absolute responsive dream.
Your problems seem very isolated.
Oh wait, it does restart. That used to happen when i left my PC on. When i was using it, i would just postpone the restart. I set it up to auto-login on reboot, then lock the PC so a password would be required to use it again.
Oh and one last thing! For the sake of my sanity reduce and organize the control panel. It is a total chaos in there. There has to be a better way to organise and present all those settings other than a truckload icons that I personally can never remember what settings they hide.
They did. If you pick Control Panel Home, its categorized and easier to navigate. The Classic View spits every thing out. The thing with vista is that theres a lot to take control of.
I want time machine NAS support back.
@energy72
- Follow this for Time Machine NAS to work. It's much easier than those directions where you have to create a file on the NAS.
http://rajeev.name/blog/2007/11/03/time-machine-with-smb-and-nfs-shares/
Just did it yesterday for my HP Media Vault and it works like a dream over my Gigabit ethernet. Wouldn't want to do it over WI-Fi though. It would be too slow.
KF
Anyone having problems in Leopard conecting to wireless networks through the Leap setting on any college campus'? Cal Poly Pomona can not get any users using Leopard to connect to their wireless. The whole campus!
I'm with the Pomona school district and I sure am, I just started trying to get three new MacBooks to connect to our LEAP network which requires LEAP authentication. But whenever I try it, it tries to WPA authenticate. I know that I could set it up using my own password and login, but the computers are for different users.
They had that kind of view in XP maybe it came with SP2. But it does not make much difference. Still hard as hell to find what you want especially since they have picked what you might consider the most useful settings which means you need one extra click and even more browsing to find what you are after.
Easy example that comes to mind! You cannot turn the firewall from the taskbar. Right clicking the security icon gives no options! So what's the point of the icon on the taskbar? You need to go to the control panel, which you have to have in classic view to find it. Sorry that is just poor user interface design.
I agree that Windows can potentially give you a lot of control over the OS but it makes it so hard to access all that power that is practically unusable.
Amen. Even XP is better than Vista though (ex: network settings in Vista)
1: I get about 8MBps, which is about all im going to get out of 100Mbps line.
I get 5MB on a gigabit connection. That is with both mini and shuttle...
2: It really shouldnt ever do that. At most, it will give you a warning, but never just shut down. At least, not for me or anyone i know. Odd.
It does ask some times. But even then if I dont respond in a given MS set time it assumes it is ok to restart and kick me off from what I am doing!
3: What is the error indicated in the blue screen. Blue screens are caused by hardware or drivers, so something is wrong with your setup.
Memory blah blah. This is why I thought it might have been memory related. But the same thing happened with my Shuttle the other day and that one has brand new Crucial memory and it was a fresh install with NOTHING else installed.
4: Even solitare? Something is wrong with your install, because even on my older 160gig single drive, it never took that long for me. Christ, even my laptop can get Halo up and running faster, and thats a 4200rpm drive.
No not solitaire, C&C3 and Hitman I also tried Age of Wonders (an older one). HD has nothing to do with it as the HD does not spin for most of the time I am waiting after double clicking! Both Mini and Shuttle same behaviour. The shuttle even has a WD 150GB 10000RPM drive....
5: Again, something is really wrong with your drivers/hardware. I had a 6800GS and could load 30 windows. No redrawing issue, whatsoever.
Again it happens on Shuttle with a 2600XT and the mini with the GMA. I could possibly understand it with the GMA but the 2600XT???
6: I know what thats like. Leopard is doing the same thing for me on my iBook. I have a Quad and my PC is an absolute responsive dream.
OS X was never the most responsive OS. XP SP2 was by far the most responsive system I have used. Vista is taking me to the days of Jaguar when my PB had 256MB of RAM. It is horrible. Admittedly it is more responsive in the Shuttle but with 4GB and an E6750 I would expect it to be. Still not as responsive as Leo and that says a lot as Leo lacks in the responsiveness department quite a bit.
Your problems seem very isolated.
Isolated or not they affect me quite a bit, so I would expect them to be fixed a year on. They haven't. I was hoping for the SP1 to sort some of them out but apparently MS pulled even the beta because it was not ready for prime time... I am disappointed to the point of considering XP SP2.
"It does ask some times. But even then if I dont respond in a given MS set time it assumes it is ok to restart and kick me off from what I am doing! "
You are complaining that Vista warned you it was going to shut down after a certain amount of time if you didn't do anything and then it did exactly that? It should be giving you a 1D10T error.
t-bone grow up please!
Just because someone thought that if the user does not specifically stop his computer from restarting it is ok for it to restart does not make the user any more of an idiot than person that actually thought of it. I might leave the computer and have a coffee, chat on the phone, god forbid go for a piss or play a game! In all of the above situations you will not see the message. Yet your computer will still restart regardless if you want it to or not. Regardless if you have been writing a paper or compiling some software or what have you. The smart operating system would detect that your computer IS doing something and abort the restart even if the user does not explicitly stopped the restart. The stupid OS will just restart!
And of course you didnt even bother with the fact that many times it JUST restarts without a warning EVEN THOUGH I have told it to not do automatic updates. Frankly I don't know who is the idiot but I dont think it is me. Not in this instance anyway.
I really hope they add time machine to that list before the public release. My backups consistently fail.
Yes, I have the drive formatted correctly. Stop saying that.
Obviously whomever reported this is breaking their NDA.
Os is this the wrong thing to say on here?
I am sad to see that Time Machine AEBS drives & NAS issues haven't been worked out :( I was rather looking forward to that. I was also hoping for them to add the ability to modify the menu transparency from the appearance control pane
try this:
http://www.appletje.nl/
it works fine for me
or this:
http://rajeev.name/blog/2007/11/03/time-machine-with-smb-and-nfs-shares/
How on Earth is 10.5 a ".0" release? So if there are problems with 10.5.1, will your position be that we should forgive it because it is 10.5.1.0, and we shouldn't complain until they release 10.5.1.1? I'm sorry, a .5 revision of a 6 year-old OS should not somehow be exempted from any criticism because it is ".0" product.
Can i just have writable FTP access?
it´s is getting really boring to read the comments here at engadget. Each time there is a Mac post all the PC deciples is coming out of their boxes to bash Apple and Apple products. I doubt that half of you guys have even trid a Mac, and the other half havent even seen a Mac in real life. You are just so bored that you have nothing else to do, than make an ass out of yourself. But ill do the math for you guys. From leopard release to first patch = 3 weeks. From vista release (after the two yeas delay) the first was.....oh wait.....there is none. Well lets see in a year or so.....wait again.....dammit then Apple would hve released yet another huge system upgrade.
If you are going to talk about how funny it is that people are ignorant, you might want to start by getting your facts straight. I count 35 important updates to Vista since release (not counting Office updates, driver updates, or Windows Defender definition updates). The difference between 35 and 0 is a pretty big gap. That averages out to about 2 updates a month. I don't expect you to actually become rational or something, but next time you want to make some completely fabrication that MS hasn,t put out a single patch for Vista in a year, maybe you will at least remember that there are people out there who can actually count.
Why can't you just use quicktime alternative? It's much better imo, no bloat!
I installed Leopard few days ago.
- Unfortunately I upgraded from tiger to Leopard and at the first meeting, I faced that deadly blue screen which makes me to buy another hard disk and replace it with current just to save my files.
- after installing the hard disk, I inserted the leopard DVD but he didn't recognize my HDD, so I had to put the tiger DVD and use the "disk utility" to format the hard disk and then go back to install Leopard.
- When Leopard installed and everything seems to be fine, I started to install the programs I always use:
- - XAMPP: It's a PHP / MySQL server which developers use to test their websites. I had XAMPP version 0.3 was working fine in tiger but now it's not functioning. so I downloaded the newest version 0.7 . Now everything seems to be fine, PHP is working but I got that MySQL is not. I googled it and I found that this is not just my problem. every one has this problem!!!
- - Speed Download: every one knows this program. it's download manager. I was using the version 4.5 I guess, which suddenly crashed in my face!! so again, look after the problem, and get the update or the new version. everything seem fine but the problem showed up. In Tiger when speed download is downloading, the screen turns off but the computer doesn't go to stand by, but now, it goes to stand by, and I have to change the power properties to never go to stand by!!
- - Quick Time: Well, my friends have mentioned it before, but just to remind, I installed PERIAN codec pack. but some times when I'm watching AVI's the program crash unexpectedly!!!
- - iChat: it's the most useless thing I have ever seen in MAC OS. how many people are using AIM or .mac account (60$ per month)? why they do this? They know that many people are using Yahoo and MSN messenger, why the don't put an easy instead of using jabber and ... WOW it's a headache.
- - Scanning: I saw someone said that it's good that apple puts all the printer drivers within the OS, so you don't need to go after drivers, but what about Scanning?!?!?!?! it is really strange and stupid that they didn't think about it.
- - ADOBE: I installed adobe photoshop and thank god that it's working, but they have announced that soundbooth and primier have some problems with leopard.
- - Mail: One of the big problems of this little nice program is 'message text encoding' which is not working at all! when I get e-mail in arabic, and I change the encoding to arabic-windows, nothing happens!!!
+ conclusion: After all of this, although the leopard interface is fascinating, but I'm not going to sacrifice the performance and consistency and reliability of Tiger for a little "transparency of the menu bar" or "the dock mirror" or "spaces". I believed that bill gates releases windows without checking and testing and fixing. But now unfortunately, I see Apple has this problem also. Leopard until now is a shame on Apple and UNIX. the most advanced operating system!!!!!!