Mac OS X 10.5.1 seeded to developers
By Paul Miller 
posted November 7th 2007 7:05PM
posted November 7th 2007 7:05PM
With the number of bugs that've already been reported for Leopard -- most of which are fairly inherent in any .0 release, but are no less annoying -- it doesn't take much of a rumor-enthusiast to figure out that Apple is hard at work on a 10.5.1 update. The first fruit of that effort just hit ADC developers today, in the form of build 9B13. The update is pretty broad, and since this is just the first seed of 10.5.1, there's no telling how long it'll take for Apple to get this all tightened up for public consumption. Issues that are being addressed include:- Mail Sync
- Spotlight Index
- Disk Management
- DesktopServices and moving files across partitions
- Text Drawing
- iCal and CalDAV syncing
- Keychain login
- Read-Only Issue with SMB
- AirPort 802.1X
- Application Firewall
- To-Do Notes
- and Smart Mailboxes.
New (non-specific) issues fixed:
- Mail Sync
- HTML anchors in Mail
- PubSub headers in installhdrs
- Parental Controls corruption in certain situations
- Fix to SpotlightIndex
- Disk Management and free space records
- iCal and CalDAV syncing
- Mail Sync and Smart Mailboxes
- Email alarms and iCal
- Text drawing corruption and QuickDraw Manager
- Disk Management and RAID
- Keychain login fix
- Custom presets with Page Setup and Print Dialogs
- Read-Only issue with SMB
- AirPort 802.1X issues
- DesktopServices and moving files across partition
- Fix to Application Firewall
- To-Do Notes and Smart Mailboxes
Yeah, I'd like to hear those 5-6 issues too. Maybe you're just an idiot and didn't set something up correctly. I sure hope your issue isn't "my scanner manufacturer hasn't made vista drivers." FYI, it's not Microsoft's job to make drivers for another company's product.
compare this to the monthly updates microsoft does with windows. this is much less extensive than a full service pack.
But then there's nothing to whine about!
Why do you think it is Apples fault and not bad programming in FireFox? You know that all those part time open source people have the best quality control and testing process.
I can't believe I just defended Apple! They are going to take my MS Fanboy license away now.... Wait, I did take a swipe at open source... whew!!! That was scary.
A reply to Ruben:
Problem number one: Transferring files over a network, absolutely horrendously slow! No matter what I have tried transferring files over a Gigabit connection is just turtle speed slow.
Problem number two: I have disabled automatic updates. Vista has kicked me several times already from what I was doing with NO warning automatically restarting after doing updates. No setting I have changed makes any difference apparently.
Problem number three: Invariably if I double click to start a program BEFORE the desktop has fully loaded I get a nice blue screen. That happens both with my Shuttle and my Mac Mini so it is not memory / corrupt HD issue as I thought.
Problem number four: ALL my games take about 2 minutes to load.... even after clean installs. In XP same games take seconds.
Problem number five: Redrawing the screen takes major time even in my shuttle with E6750, 2600XT and 4 yes 4GB RAM. If I have more than 10 windows on the screen redrawing the rest of windows when i minimize/close the front one takes several seconds. That is always the case when I come out of a game.
Problem number six: The responsiveness of the OS is PATHETIC! Nothing is instant or near instant. From click to action the OS takes its own good time. Also software installs make the OS stop responding or to respond with considerable lag several times. Very frustrating.
1: I get about 8MBps, which is about all im going to get out of 100Mbps line.
2: It really shouldnt ever do that. At most, it will give you a warning, but never just shut down. At least, not for me or anyone i know. Odd.
3: What is the error indicated in the blue screen. Blue screens are caused by hardware or drivers, so something is wrong with your setup.
4: Even solitare? Something is wrong with your install, because even on my older 160gig single drive, it never took that long for me. Christ, even my laptop can get Halo up and running faster, and thats a 4200rpm drive.
5: Again, something is really wrong with your drivers/hardware. I had a 6800GS and could load 30 windows. No redrawing issue, whatsoever.
6: I know what thats like. Leopard is doing the same thing for me on my iBook. I have a Quad and my PC is an absolute responsive dream.
Your problems seem very isolated.
Oh wait, it does restart. That used to happen when i left my PC on. When i was using it, i would just postpone the restart. I set it up to auto-login on reboot, then lock the PC so a password would be required to use it again.
Oh and one last thing! For the sake of my sanity reduce and organize the control panel. It is a total chaos in there. There has to be a better way to organise and present all those settings other than a truckload icons that I personally can never remember what settings they hide.
They did. If you pick Control Panel Home, its categorized and easier to navigate. The Classic View spits every thing out. The thing with vista is that theres a lot to take control of.
I want time machine NAS support back.
@energy72
- Follow this for Time Machine NAS to work. It's much easier than those directions where you have to create a file on the NAS.
http://rajeev.name/blog/2007/11/03/time-machine-with-smb-and-nfs-shares/
Just did it yesterday for my HP Media Vault and it works like a dream over my Gigabit ethernet. Wouldn't want to do it over WI-Fi though. It would be too slow.
KF
Anyone having problems in Leopard conecting to wireless networks through the Leap setting on any college campus'? Cal Poly Pomona can not get any users using Leopard to connect to their wireless. The whole campus!
I'm with the Pomona school district and I sure am, I just started trying to get three new MacBooks to connect to our LEAP network which requires LEAP authentication. But whenever I try it, it tries to WPA authenticate. I know that I could set it up using my own password and login, but the computers are for different users.
They had that kind of view in XP maybe it came with SP2. But it does not make much difference. Still hard as hell to find what you want especially since they have picked what you might consider the most useful settings which means you need one extra click and even more browsing to find what you are after.
Easy example that comes to mind! You cannot turn the firewall from the taskbar. Right clicking the security icon gives no options! So what's the point of the icon on the taskbar? You need to go to the control panel, which you have to have in classic view to find it. Sorry that is just poor user interface design.
I agree that Windows can potentially give you a lot of control over the OS but it makes it so hard to access all that power that is practically unusable.
Amen. Even XP is better than Vista though (ex: network settings in Vista)
1: I get about 8MBps, which is about all im going to get out of 100Mbps line.
I get 5MB on a gigabit connection. That is with both mini and shuttle...
2: It really shouldnt ever do that. At most, it will give you a warning, but never just shut down. At least, not for me or anyone i know. Odd.
It does ask some times. But even then if I dont respond in a given MS set time it assumes it is ok to restart and kick me off from what I am doing!
3: What is the error indicated in the blue screen. Blue screens are caused by hardware or drivers, so something is wrong with your setup.
Memory blah blah. This is why I thought it might have been memory related. But the same thing happened with my Shuttle the other day and that one has brand new Crucial memory and it was a fresh install with NOTHING else installed.
4: Even solitare? Something is wrong with your install, because even on my older 160gig single drive, it never took that long for me. Christ, even my laptop can get Halo up and running faster, and thats a 4200rpm drive.
No not solitaire, C&C3 and Hitman I also tried Age of Wonders (an older one). HD has nothing to do with it as the HD does not spin for most of the time I am waiting after double clicking! Both Mini and Shuttle same behaviour. The shuttle even has a WD 150GB 10000RPM drive....
5: Again, something is really wrong with your drivers/hardware. I had a 6800GS and could load 30 windows. No redrawing issue, whatsoever.
Again it happens on Shuttle with a 2600XT and the mini with the GMA. I could possibly understand it with the GMA but the 2600XT???
6: I know what thats like. Leopard is doing the same thing for me on my iBook. I have a Quad and my PC is an absolute responsive dream.
OS X was never the most responsive OS. XP SP2 was by far the most responsive system I have used. Vista is taking me to the days of Jaguar when my PB had 256MB of RAM. It is horrible. Admittedly it is more responsive in the Shuttle but with 4GB and an E6750 I would expect it to be. Still not as responsive as Leo and that says a lot as Leo lacks in the responsiveness department quite a bit.
Your problems seem very isolated.
Isolated or not they affect me quite a bit, so I would expect them to be fixed a year on. They haven't. I was hoping for the SP1 to sort some of them out but apparently MS pulled even the beta because it was not ready for prime time... I am disappointed to the point of considering XP SP2.
"It does ask some times. But even then if I dont respond in a given MS set time it assumes it is ok to restart and kick me off from what I am doing! "
You are complaining that Vista warned you it was going to shut down after a certain amount of time if you didn't do anything and then it did exactly that? It should be giving you a 1D10T error.
t-bone grow up please!
Just because someone thought that if the user does not specifically stop his computer from restarting it is ok for it to restart does not make the user any more of an idiot than person that actually thought of it. I might leave the computer and have a coffee, chat on the phone, god forbid go for a piss or play a game! In all of the above situations you will not see the message. Yet your computer will still restart regardless if you want it to or not. Regardless if you have been writing a paper or compiling some software or what have you. The smart operating system would detect that your computer IS doing something and abort the restart even if the user does not explicitly stopped the restart. The stupid OS will just restart!
And of course you didnt even bother with the fact that many times it JUST restarts without a warning EVEN THOUGH I have told it to not do automatic updates. Frankly I don't know who is the idiot but I dont think it is me. Not in this instance anyway.
I really hope they add time machine to that list before the public release. My backups consistently fail.
Yes, I have the drive formatted correctly. Stop saying that.
Obviously whomever reported this is breaking their NDA.
Os is this the wrong thing to say on here?
I am sad to see that Time Machine AEBS drives & NAS issues haven't been worked out :( I was rather looking forward to that. I was also hoping for them to add the ability to modify the menu transparency from the appearance control pane
try this:
http://www.appletje.nl/
it works fine for me
or this:
http://rajeev.name/blog/2007/11/03/time-machine-with-smb-and-nfs-shares/
How on Earth is 10.5 a ".0" release? So if there are problems with 10.5.1, will your position be that we should forgive it because it is 10.5.1.0, and we shouldn't complain until they release 10.5.1.1? I'm sorry, a .5 revision of a 6 year-old OS should not somehow be exempted from any criticism because it is ".0" product.
Can i just have writable FTP access?
it´s is getting really boring to read the comments here at engadget. Each time there is a Mac post all the PC deciples is coming out of their boxes to bash Apple and Apple products. I doubt that half of you guys have even trid a Mac, and the other half havent even seen a Mac in real life. You are just so bored that you have nothing else to do, than make an ass out of yourself. But ill do the math for you guys. From leopard release to first patch = 3 weeks. From vista release (after the two yeas delay) the first was.....oh wait.....there is none. Well lets see in a year or so.....wait again.....dammit then Apple would hve released yet another huge system upgrade.
If you are going to talk about how funny it is that people are ignorant, you might want to start by getting your facts straight. I count 35 important updates to Vista since release (not counting Office updates, driver updates, or Windows Defender definition updates). The difference between 35 and 0 is a pretty big gap. That averages out to about 2 updates a month. I don't expect you to actually become rational or something, but next time you want to make some completely fabrication that MS hasn,t put out a single patch for Vista in a year, maybe you will at least remember that there are people out there who can actually count.
Why can't you just use quicktime alternative? It's much better imo, no bloat!
I installed Leopard few days ago.
- Unfortunately I upgraded from tiger to Leopard and at the first meeting, I faced that deadly blue screen which makes me to buy another hard disk and replace it with current just to save my files.
- after installing the hard disk, I inserted the leopard DVD but he didn't recognize my HDD, so I had to put the tiger DVD and use the "disk utility" to format the hard disk and then go back to install Leopard.
- When Leopard installed and everything seems to be fine, I started to install the programs I always use:
- - XAMPP: It's a PHP / MySQL server which developers use to test their websites. I had XAMPP version 0.3 was working fine in tiger but now it's not functioning. so I downloaded the newest version 0.7 . Now everything seems to be fine, PHP is working but I got that MySQL is not. I googled it and I found that this is not just my problem. every one has this problem!!!
- - Speed Download: every one knows this program. it's download manager. I was using the version 4.5 I guess, which suddenly crashed in my face!! so again, look after the problem, and get the update or the new version. everything seem fine but the problem showed up. In Tiger when speed download is downloading, the screen turns off but the computer doesn't go to stand by, but now, it goes to stand by, and I have to change the power properties to never go to stand by!!
- - Quick Time: Well, my friends have mentioned it before, but just to remind, I installed PERIAN codec pack. but some times when I'm watching AVI's the program crash unexpectedly!!!
- - iChat: it's the most useless thing I have ever seen in MAC OS. how many people are using AIM or .mac account (60$ per month)? why they do this? They know that many people are using Yahoo and MSN messenger, why the don't put an easy instead of using jabber and ... WOW it's a headache.
- - Scanning: I saw someone said that it's good that apple puts all the printer drivers within the OS, so you don't need to go after drivers, but what about Scanning?!?!?!?! it is really strange and stupid that they didn't think about it.
- - ADOBE: I installed adobe photoshop and thank god that it's working, but they have announced that soundbooth and primier have some problems with leopard.
- - Mail: One of the big problems of this little nice program is 'message text encoding' which is not working at all! when I get e-mail in arabic, and I change the encoding to arabic-windows, nothing happens!!!
+ conclusion: After all of this, although the leopard interface is fascinating, but I'm not going to sacrifice the performance and consistency and reliability of Tiger for a little "transparency of the menu bar" or "the dock mirror" or "spaces". I believed that bill gates releases windows without checking and testing and fixing. But now unfortunately, I see Apple has this problem also. Leopard until now is a shame on Apple and UNIX. the most advanced operating system!!!!!!