Although the
Vista transition is far from
complete, that doesn't mean Microsoft isn't already hard at work on
Windows 7, the next version of the venerable operating system -- and this list of user-requested features unearthed by the folks at NeoWin might hold some clues as to the future. The "wish list" was sent out by Microsoft before Windows 7 development even began, so most of these features probably aren't even on the radar, but what's most interesting is that seemingly small fixes like "Window Update progress indicator" vastly outnumber big-ticket items like "integrated audio / video codec manager" and "Windows 'Game' Mode." We'd say that speaks to a major lack of imagination, so consider this a years-early
How Would You Change?, and sound off in comments -- personally, we're hoping for a transactional file system, but we know you all can totally outdo us.
Read -- post at ArsTechnica
Read -- full list at NeoWin
posted Nov 12th 2007 4:20PM
forgot one... copy OS X Leopard
Worst. Comment. Ever.
Best. Comment. Ever.
As a Mac user, I do not approve of this troll.
OS X Leopard: Copy Vista's translucent menu bar. Oh wait, I don't know how they did it, but Leopard's see-through menu bar is even more poorly executed than Aero Glass. Nice job, Apple!
Vista: copy generally everything else + make it slower + lower the security (remember we want BAD coverage)
It'd be pretty hard to copy leopard considering it already copied vista. But if anyone can do it, I'm sure it's Microsoft. (Yes, I know everyone will be shocked that I said something negative of Microsoft, get over it people!) but ya, I can see Microsoft adding something similar to spaces and then everyone will say it copied leopard despite the fact that it's been in linux/unix for years
Yeah, why not just copy/paste the whole thing from iPhone? Oh that's right, you can't copy/paste with the iPhone.
Legodude! LOL
Well actually virtual desktops was available in XP via a power tool direct from microsoft.
i'm sure your right with the pricing. although, no backlit keyboard, magsafe, or aluminum shell [geforce may be on the cheap]. there will be some mac models that aren't cheaper. the only reason i am making this post from a mac pro right now is because it was cheaper than the dell [cheap asses here at work]. worked to my advantage. the 17" mbp is a bit high [too big for me anyhow]. the mbp is gonna be a little pricey. that raw aluminum shell is the best thing going and i don't mind paying for its durability.
i've built my share of pc's [6-7] over the last 8 yrs. there is NO WAY you can do the research that oem's are doing on hardware compatibility. there will always be hardware issues with diy pc's. in fact the one i have at home right now is a great machine [amdx2 4600, 4g ddr800, geforce8800] but it's no where as reliable as oem builds, and that applies to mac or pc's. besides thats ignoring a huge sector ... business ... there's no room for machines without warranties at work. like i said for my home machine i was able to keep up with dell's pricing [thanks newegg], but i still wouldn't be comparing that option to a mac pro.
btw, has anyone seen benchmarks for the octacore mac pro in leopard [full 64 bit]. wicked
actually it is total copy of linux distros and firefox or opera
These things could be coded as fixes. They don't sound like they warrant a new version of Windows
Just get rid of the incessant dialogs telling me that I have unused icons on my desktop. I don't want to have to disable them, I just want them gone.
Those things piss me off too.
I would really like to see the 5 pillars of longhorn/vista... oh wait... weren't those supposed to be on vista in the first place? Like winFS amongst other things.
Finally, how about a network control center that someone can actually freaking use instead of that bullshit excuse for one in vista and XP.
tada?
http://www.intelliadmin.com/blog/2006/11/how-to-disable-there-are-unused-icons.html
I think we should be able to just have a control panel with a list of programs with 3 checkboxes beside each:
Show in Start Menu
Show in Quick Launch
Show on Desktop
This would completely remove the need for a "desktop cleanup", as you are choosing which icons you want. It would also stop installers from throwing the icons wherever they want.
installation mode: something that stops pretty much every single service from interfering with things like hardware installs, software updates, and other things that might like to be left alone. Lots of software I use doesn't like things like antivirus software, firewalls, and a few things like that. I'd like a quick way to shut that all off. Preferably without a restart.
A quick, one button, way to get rid of all windows warnings. And every windows warning better have a damn checkbox that reads, "never show this annoying popup again!"
Oh, that would be amazing... I've been using a mac for a month, and I can't help but feel far more in control of what is actually running and installed. Unlike on a PC, when my monthly checkup would unearth all kinds of randomness.
Also, three options:
1) Don't allow installers to crap all over my Programs menu.
2) Don't allow installers to crap all over my desktop.
3) Don't allow installers to crap all over my quick launch.
#1 on the list: Out-do Apple once again, maintaining an army of fanboys to incessantly complain about an operating system they don't use -- including but not limited to "I hate it because it looks pretty" and "it doesn't run good on my $300 computer, so I went out and bought a $1200 instead"
Oh yah, and rank me low. I don't care. I haven't gone into Kudos bankruptcy yet.
get a job hippie, then maybe you can afford the enjoy the finer things in life instead of posting on engadget about your obvious shortcomings.
use windows everyday (vm running in leopard), and not just to open some avi files. i use for hardcore apps like autocad architecture and 3d studio, yes in the virtual machine. works great. don't pull the pricing card. you know that's total bs. find a stats-match sony vaio that is as cheap as a mac...you won't, because it doesn't exist. i mean c'mon make an equal comparison. not everyone is okay with buying the cheapest hardware on the market (your 200-300$ pc). its pretty much disposable like paper plates and cups.
os x is built on unix. nothing about windows and the nt architecture can compete with that stability and flexibility. forget about the looks and all the other pretty stuff. tear them both down to the foundation. now, which would you have. look beyond the ui. i mean that what all the os x haters ask, but never follow through.
i mean i don't care cause i love and use both. i'm a geek.
the word fanboy is the most ridiculous shit to come out of the last decade, btw.
.. I have one.. I was just replying to OBrien. Don't take it too personally, chief.
@jacob: just to correct you on pricing, yes, if you compare it to a sony but if you, say build a PC yourself(can't be done for an apple) it costs a LOT less for an equal computer. For example, about 2 years ago(so take into account how much things cost back then and what was good) I put together a computer with a 3.0 GHz P4, 1GB RAM, 80GB HDD, dvd reader/writer, NVidia 7800GT with an MSI NForce 4 SLI motherboard with built in overclocking and a pretty freaking cool looking case for $1700. Anywhere else that would have cost upwards of $3000. Plus you can upgrade anything with a PC so I'm upgrading mine to a core 2 quad and new motherboard for $400. With a mac I'd have to buy a new one if I wanted that kind of performance boost.
i'm calling your bluff oon the price jacob
Dell Inspiron 1720 matching the spec of a 17" Macbook pro
SYSTEM COLOR Jet Black edit
PROCESSOR Intel® Core™ 2 Duo T7700 (2.4GHz/800Mhz FSB/4MB cache) edit
OPERATING SYSTEM Genuine Windows Vista® Home Premium Edition edit
DISPLAY Glossy, high contrast, widescreen 17.0 inch display (1440 x 900) edit
VIDEO CARD 256MB NVIDIA® GeForce® 8600M GT edit
MEMORY 2GB Shared Dual Channel DDR2 at 667MHz edit
HARD DRIVE Size: 250GB SATA Hard Drive (5400RPM) edit
OPTICAL DRIVE CD / DVD writer (DVD+/-RW Drive) edit
WIRELESS NETWORK CARDS Dell Wireless 1505 Wireless-N Mini-card edit
INTEGRATED WEBCAM Integrated 2.0 Megapixel Webcam edit
BATTERY OPTIONS 85Whr Lithium Ion Battery (9 cell) edit
SOUND OPTIONS High Definition Audio 2.0
$1,639.00 (add this coupon NP?GH2HGB4D$FH and the price is $1,409.00)
$2,799.00 for the macbook pro
The screen is half the resolution. You can't even change that. And don't pretend that example wasn't cherry-picked
Skrew, the Macbook Pros are actually quite overpriced, if all you're looking for is grunt. However, they are quite light and svelte (for a 15-17 inch laptop), and the casing and design is just quality. That's what people are paying for, I reckon.
At any rate, the (white) Macbook is far better value, which is why I bought one just over a month ago. I would guess the Macbook is the computer apple is making the most revenue from right now, the Pro is really just an aspirational brand thing compared to it. Yeah, they could compromise the design a bit, lop a bit off the profit, and it could square up to these PCs, but that would be missing the point.
Scrap the Windows name and architecture completely and start from scratch with a leaner, more functional OS... think Linux. At a minimum, get rid of the BLOAT of Windows so I can actually take advantage of all the speed in the new hardware.
The Windows Early Feedback program was extended to most of the Vista beta participants. This has been around for ages now, I don't see much of the big deal.
Am I the only one who read "the VULNERABLE operating system" in the second line?
Maybe they used venerable intentionally to make people think they're reading vulnerable? or just a bad choice of words.
Yes, you were.
Perhaps they meant "venerable"? Or maybe it's just a Freudian slip...
Did anyone else notice "copy XBOX 360 games to PC"..?
I like how arranging desktop icons and deleting addresses from IE7 are on there...
Yea thats the one that got me all surprised lol, i thought that it would have been at least mentioned in the post!
Now what the hell is that all about... ?
It's a wish list.
It means someone said "Hey, this would be cool!" and then others would agree / disagree. This list isn't a feature list at all, but things that testers want MSFT people to look into. Some are small, some are big. Any request is a valid request.
Shouldn't that statement read
"..Windows 7, the next version of the vulnerable operating system -- "
Make it strong and secure like Linux but easy to use and configure.
Virtal desktops with a killer window manager like Compiz Fusion.
How about a basic version that is free to compete with Linux(they did it for the OLPC project)
Read the comment 2 spots ahead of yours.
Venerable, not vulnerable.
Well Vista has a transactional filesystem (NTFS5). So you might want try that out first.
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa366295.aspx
They need to allow free mouse movement when you have Media Center full screen on a monitor on a multiple monitor set-up. The way it is now is quite frustrating.
Amen! I have my tv near my monitor and its really annoying how i have to press the windows key to get my computer monitor useable and mouse free when i want to browse while i watch TV.
Heres a few from me:
Fix the manor in which game take over the screen. No more flashing, odd resizes, a quarter box of black, then all of a sudden full screen. I want a fade (or even a cool animation) as the game switches resolution or takes full screen control, not the hack it seems like it is now.
Embed Games For WIndows Live into the interface, so you can press the X button on your 360 controller, which launches a "dashboard" like interface to launch games, etc.
The above mentioned ability to use a second monitor while media center is on (or even a keystroke which allows you to move to the other monitor).
Multiple desktops is a nice idea, but i can live without.
Micro-restarts, so when you install an update, you can reload the core, but keep all the activities you were conducting live and in-tact.
Installation tracker, so any program that has a poor uninstaller, can be uninstalled in a raw form (removal of all registry keys related to the program, removal of directories and shortcuts, etc.).
A neater All Programs menu, one that can categorize programs installed, and place the respective programs under larger headers, without requiring the user to have to manually place the items in a directory.
Much like the Games menu, a menu system for all other programs installed, like Office, adobe, etc, where the program makers work with Microsoft to allow the programs to make their way into those menus.
A stronger zip program. Perhaps one that recognizes more file types (really, rar is the only one that is important, but that isnt going to happen).
The UAC system, personally, is fine. However, there should be simplification for allowing you to modify a certain directory that, by default, is controlled by UAC against malicious changes. Perhaps a simple button that allows you to take full control (as opposed to modifying permissions, which isnt bad, but for novice users, its a pain), which then prompts you for a password.
Theres probably a ton more, but overall, im fine with Vista.
Amen! I have my tv near my monitor and its really annoying how i have to press the windows key to get my computer monitor useable and mouse free when i want to browse while i watch TV.
Heres a few from me:
Fix the manor in which game take over the screen. No more flashing, odd resizes, a quarter box of black, then all of a sudden full screen. I want a fade (or even a cool animation) as the game switches resolution or takes full screen control, not the hack it seems like it is now.
Embed Games For WIndows Live into the interface, so you can press the X button on your 360 controller, which launches a "dashboard" like interface to launch games, etc.
The above mentioned ability to use a second monitor while media center is on (or even a keystroke which allows you to move to the other monitor).
Multiple desktops is a nice idea, but i can live without.
Micro-restarts, so when you install an update, you can reload the core, but keep all the activities you were conducting live and in-tact.
Installation tracker, so any program that has a poor uninstaller, can be uninstalled in a raw form (removal of all registry keys related to the program, removal of directories and shortcuts, etc.).
A neater All Programs menu, one that can categorize programs installed, and place the respective programs under larger headers, without requiring the user to have to manually place the items in a directory.
Much like the Games menu, a menu system for all other programs installed, like Office, adobe, etc, where the program makers work with Microsoft to allow the programs to make their way into those menus.
A stronger zip program. Perhaps one that recognizes more file types (really, rar is the only one that is important, but that isnt going to happen).
The UAC system, personally, is fine. However, there should be simplification for allowing you to modify a certain directory that, by default, is controlled by UAC against malicious changes. Perhaps a simple button that allows you to take full control (as opposed to modifying permissions, which isnt bad, but for novice users, its a pain), which then prompts you for a password.
Theres probably a ton more, but overall, im fine with Vista.
Oh god Engadget, fix this crap! Your posting system is broken!
I COULDN'T AGREE MORE. I have 2 screens and EVERY time I want to change something in Media Center, both screens flash as Vista Disables Aero and switches to Media Center. I end up needing to run WMC in windowed mode when I'm switching a lot.
Maybe... make it stop sucking?
Sorry, I couldn't help myself. I haven't had a very good time with Vista, which is why I'm using 2000 right now.
I think Microsoft needs to take a good look at OS X, and even Linux and figure out why they're taking advantage of Vista's... suckiness. My main complaint is Vista upped the hardware requirements for... nothing. What does Vista have that 2000 can't do? For me, DirectX 10 doesn't count, since I'm not a PC gamer. But that's just me, of course. IMO, Vista just fails to deliver because it doesn't really add anything new. Just heavier hardware requirements.
Yeah, same thing with OSX. Time machine sucks so I revered to cheetah.
Man if you went back to 2000, you have to be running some seriously old kit.
I can understand continuing to use XP, but using Windows 2000 is a ridiculous choice. You're using an operating system that is 8 years old and that has been patched .
I use XP at work (Vista isn't ready for use on a administration workstation and Vist on my laptop/media center and I've had almost no issues.)
At my office we run 2000 on the majority of the computers because it doesn't have that crock of shit key checking that XP has. Our primary database software hasn't been updated for vista yet (designed by a local firm specifically to our needs - that is service).
I really don't see anything wrong with it, just throw firefox on there and you are secure enough on the web, and if anything breaks it is an easy fix, just wipe and install 2000 again - no pissing with keys.
Hmm, my original comment should have read "patched endlessly".
Josh, Windows 2000 isn't being patched at all. You are running serious security risks by having it connected to the internet at all. Using firefox is not sufficient. Very few attacks use browser exploits.
Calling key checking a "crock of shit" is kind of ironic as piracy like the kind your company is engaging in is exactly what made this "crock of shit" neccessary.
I don't know about all that, but I've got a fully secure Win2k setup that gives me zero problems with total functionality.
I am running a pretty out-of-date box, but it's sufficient. I'm saving for a Macbook anyways.
On the matter of security, I think I'm covered. Three firewalls and ZoneAlarm. Yes, yes, I know that won't stop 100% of everything, but what does?
It's not like I have much to lose on this machine anyways :P I don't have anything important on here.
@Jon - Why do you assume that just because he finds the fact the MS treats ALL its customers as if criminals that he is a pirate? He didn't say he was...WGA is BS and you don't have to be a pirate to hate it. In fact, odds are, if you're a pirate you don't mind it, because you've totally by passed it anyway, giving a more enjoyable user experience than paying customers.
1) Get rid of the registry, dll's, .net, activex, and anything else Windows thinks is a "library"
2) Less files. It's sad that windows by default will install over 100,000 files. Can't we just have a simple Windows.exe or something?
3) Efficient coding. Operating Systems should be getting smaller and more efficient as time goes on (see points 1 and 2).
And while we're at it, lets move away from the "Windows" moniker. It's time to retire that name, I think. :)
i totally agree its time to drop the name windows how about something new Microsoft Live shoot ill settle for anything
Yeah, who uses the same name for 6 versions of software.. shesh at least Apple didn't do that with... oh yeah, they did.
But apple can use OS 10 for 6 versions and thats ok??
Remove registry.. hmm already Vista has compatibility issue, remove the registry will make well almost all (probably, (just a guess) 90-95%) of programs stop working under it. And special versions of the application and games needs to created.
It will will create chaos for Microsoft.
Maybe they should have a hybrid system, were Microsoft should encourage developers to stop using the registry, and use the new system (wtv they setup). But still I can see a lot of issues here.
LOL, are you kidding? It is obvious you have no idea what you are talking about. You want a several hundred MB (to several GB) executable? Because that's what it would take in order to make it a simple Windows.exe. Not to mention that it would force every user to load every single feature under the sun, meaning that low powered machines will not exist. Your first point is even sadder.
Actually, from what I know Vista did away with the registry somewhat, there's just a virtual one for compatibility's sake. And anyway, what do you people have against the registry? For me it's a cool way to tweak stuff that was never meant to be tweaked.
@ElimGarak:
Are YOU kidding? Who says an exe has to be hundreds to thousands of megabytes, regardless of functionality? Go take a look at K-Kruger to see what efficient coding can do with a 3D FPS game (and don't be frightened when it says KB as in 'Kilo' - those are just smaller versions of megabytes). :D
That should read ".kkrieger"
these are obviously not windows 7 features. "Vista Backup should..." is so obviously telling us that this is an idea / to do list for Vista. IE7 is a dead givaway too. IE8 is supposed to ship in 08, so it would obviously be packaged with Windows version 7. whoever wrote this...common sense man.
this is the vista 7 feature list that has been released by microsoft thus far: http://www.winsupersite.com/faq/windows_7.asp
By "supposed to ship in 2008", you mean shipping in 2013, right?
It seems like the only people shipping on time these days are the people that don't get paid...
I do not love Vista, but it is still better, overall, than anything else available. I put Ubuntu 7.10 on a system this weekend and grew tired of it within a day of heavy use. OS X is okay and a very similar GUI experience (in my opinion, a matter of taste), but it still is not enough to satisfy my overall needs (Photoshop CS 3, Reason, and Protools run better on a properly spec'd Windows box, in my experience).
What I want?
- quick boot times in Vista (hopefully a SP1 fix, get back to XP times)
- push for more 64-bit driver support (Microsoft Fingerprint Reader driver, PLEASE! Lead by example)
- more-easily swap Device Driver Profiles, especially on my laptop, where I will use it as a travel tool to handle photography and web-browsing, and as a location recording DAW with Protools.
Resolution-independent desktop interface.
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That's because Microsoft is separated in almost independent departments. I guess that's the problem of being too big. I'm not any specialist, but I think that this may be the issue, or maybe they should improve communication between dept.
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As for Windows Vista startup time. Well it has Deep Sleep which work pretty well, which could be interested if you want to "turn off" but you know you want to open it back soon (next class, or across the street at the coffee shop). As for desktop... well frankly I never liked to shut down my computer, In fact I might have closed my computer 3 or 4 times since January 2006 (when I got my computer), for doing inside cleaning and upgrading...
But as for a laptop user where you actually want to shut down your comp, I can't agree more, but realistically speaking don't hope for as fast startup as WinXP.
But near that speed would be great. Already they are several thing you can disable in Windows and uninstall as windows extensions to optimize startup speed.
For one, I know that AVG Anti-Virus free edition loves to do a scan of system files before windows startup, so that slows down A LOT your windows startup, you can disable services such as Media Center extender and everything link to media center if you have Windows Home Premium or Ultimate on your laptop and you don't use it.
You can also disable the usual stuff from WinXP, and remove the not important startup applications. Finally you can use defragmentation programs like O&O defrag were you can properly defrag your HDD(s) that helps a lot, and even re-organize them the files by Access Time to shave off half a second more.
@Eric
Wow! that is such a great idea. I'm sick of all my desktop icons and window sizes changing when i switch resolutions...or even just close my laptop's screen. Its so frustrating and this seems like such a Doh! thing to ask for anyways.
Customize, Modulize, Simplify . Make windows a standard package OS. But let there be the freedom for more advanced users to modulairy select components, services, options etc. The simpeler for the END-USER the better. Again this doesn't mean hide every setting for a more advanced user.
Customize is the keyword here MS.
Hmmm... let me count the ways...
-Media Center interface can find recorded content anywhere on the network AUTOMATICALLY
-HD/Cable/Satellite tuner support.
-Where's WinFS? This has been in the works for a DECADE, people...
1. Do you know how long it would take? Just point it to the location of the stuff.
2. HD & cable - already there. Satellite - that's coming to OEMs in about a year. By default will be in Windows 7.
Errr didn't Microsoft say that Vista would be the last version of Windows and after this they would be working on a totally new OS that would not be Windows compatiable?
Possibly this is a list of features they intend to add to Vista via SP2 or standard updates.
Hmmm... I don't recall saying that for Vista... but I do for XP.
Hence the new (ok not totally new, there are many copy+paste code from WinXP) core OS of Vista.
Fun Copy paste code: Do Win key + E and hold for several seconds.
It will either (on both XP and Vista) crash explorer OR if you leave all the windows open, not allow you to access any more windows or menus (reminds me of the "out of resources" bug in Win98... at least now it clears it so you can save your self from a reboot :) )
Vista is the last version that maintains backwards compatibility. Windows 7 will be a new OS that should be far superior thanks to getting rid of all that code that dates back to DOS
I wish you could rearrange your open applications on the start bar. Kinda like what you can do with the tabs in Firefox and such. I normally have alot of windows open and sometimes would like to be able to move them around...can't be that hard can it?
Windows? Venerable? Hohum... If I didn't know Engadget are Apple fanboys, I'd think they actually gave Windows a compliment here. Snark.
Windows 7 minimum requirements:
The pc capable of running our system has not yet been invented.
yah, it uses 100GB HDD space for the OS alone, and requires a minimum of 8GB of ram for the operating system and a 128bit processor... and these are just the minimum to crawl through your day... heh heh heh.
Great new updates, but I don't quite think that this is exactly what Microsoft has in mind. From what I gather, Windows 7 will be a total revamp, maybe even with a totally redesigned UI or new way of user interaction/input. I was hoping for something more Surface-like, but alas, I might hope in vain.
Support for multiple cursors/mice, for the love of all that is holy.
They can get rid of "Cancel or Allow" before I go postal.
alex,
Put down the assault rifle!
http://www.petri.co.il/disable_uac_in_windows_vista.htm
Cheers! :)
Seriously, Alex. Just turn it off.
It's under Control Panel > User Accounts > Turn User Account Control on or off.
Yea, but then you have the "security notification" bubble that TELLS you UAC is off.
There's a solution for that as well:
http://ask-leo.com/how_do_i_turn_off_user_access_control_uac_in_windows_vista.html
Create an interface that streamlines everything into the "ribbon" (tabbed) functionality. Screw a desktop, just have a "Home" tab where you can throw everything into it for sorting later. Make primary tabs for different essential functions, like an "Internet" tab, "Media" tab or a "Games" tab, just to name a few. Make each of the tabs dynamically functional, so that your options for using other software aren't limited to just Windows Media Player, or MS Office, etc. No more taskbar, no more start menu, but a Windows button for very basic, but very important tasks a la MS Office 2007 (save, print, etc).
Essentially, make it function like Office 2007, and keep that functionality fluid throughout the entire design process. Simple, clean, efficient, and doesn't stray from it's goal as an easy to navigate, but powerful OS. I'd buy that over Apple's glitz and glam of late.
Um, that sounds like you want an updated Windows 3/Palm OS interface. Also, why not just sort your Start menu that way? I do.
Um, that sounds like you want an updated Windows 3/Palm OS interface. Also, why not just sort your Start menu that way? I do.
Not really, it's exactly as I described; Windows functioning like Office 2007. It would probably have to be released with some way to revert to a classic style if someone isn't fond of, or is not good with computers initially, but the idea works so well with websites, internet browsers, and Office 2007, why not introduce a familiar function into the OS as well?
Why wasn't run programs and games faster than XP at the top of the list?
Why wasn't transfer files to other hard drives, the same hard drive and to and from file servers faster than Windows XP second on the list?
Open. The. Source.
Let the community influence the "improvements" instead of waiting years for MS to "innovate" it from someone else.
What's with the silly comments on Apple hardware being overpriced? You are telling me that if you could afford either a luxury Audi vs. a luxury Honda... you'd rather have the Honda? Give me a break...
Use the Linux kernel
You've obviously never owned an Audi.
I'd love to FINALLY see a fully implemented mobile taskbar. I prefer it on the top of the screen, and I've been waiting through 3 versions of Windows for the OS to properly adjust the position of opening programs so that their title bars aren't under the taskbar.