Sony's PS3 sales in US more than double since price cut
By Thomas Ricker 
posted Nov 15th 2007 6:50AM
posted Nov 15th 2007 6:50AM
A few of our readers were scoffing at the idea of a $399 40GB PS3. "What's the big deal," you said. This: according to Sony's CEO, Sir Howard Stringer, they've more than doubled sales in the US in the weeks since its launch. "It's the breakthrough we've been waiting for," said Stringer, "We've been holding our breath. Finally, the turning point has been passed." Prior to the October 18th price cut, Sony was selling just 30k to 40k consoles per week. Sales rose to 75,000 in the week ending October 29 rising to 100,000 the following week. Stringer also credits Wii shortages for helping the boost. Andrew House, Sony's chief marketing officer even takes a jab at HD DVD saying, "It puts us vastly ahead of where the other format is going to be in terms of an installed base in people's homes by the end of this holiday season." Perhaps, but we don't expect the boys at Microsoft, Nintendo, and Toshiba to just roll over and let this progress continue unabated now, do we?
i agree, the wii hype is coming to an end.
in terms hd formats, i think it's all about branding, in my opinion blu-ray won a long time ago.
Re-reading article........
Where do you get the Wii "hype" is coming to an end in this? Last I checked, the Wii sold almost 14 million units worldwide, while the PS3 is still under 6: http://www.vgchartz.com. The PS3 still has a long way to go to catch up to the 360's market share, let alone the Wii. This won't happen until more quality exclusive titles come out next year.
I think the boost in sales has more to do with the holiday season coming and people (like myself) grabbing the 60GB models before they disappear.
And to call something "hype" in the same post as "i think it's all about branding", lol. Go back to your bridge and stop flame-baiting.
TK Warrior, cut the rabid attacks on people who happen to say something with which you disagree. You complain the other guy infers something not related to the article then you yourself argue a different point from the one he was making! How old are you?
In simple terms, the past performance of "X" and the end of current/future hype about "X" are two different things. Just because something performed better previously, it doesn't mean others cannot catch up - or indeed that it itself will not perform less well in the future. Got it?
It's called rational analysis. Try it, fanboy. After you've taken out the trash and done your homework.
Hi Jay. You must be new here so welcome. Otherwise, if you would have "done your homework" you would have known by my previous comments on this article and in the past here on this site that I actually support Sony and own all 3 consoles. So yeah I'm a fanboy, but of competition, not of idiotic statements and flamebait.
I’m sorry if you get upset at people brining actual facts and proof to back them up to the comments section, but please don’t call it rabid attacks. Mr/Mrs. W made a wild statement not relating to the article referring to the Wii and HD-DVD, and I simply countered that statement. And I think, considering all schoolyard talk that’s here from time to time, that I did it in a way that was more tactful then the norm.
We don’t even need to get into your 2nd paragraph since I already stated how good a move this was on Sony’s part here in another comment replying to Grey Acumen earlier. So it’s ok, I know its early. Have some coffee, take a chill pill, and re-read your comment then the comments I made here. It’ll be okay Jay, everyone makes mistakes.
The Wii hype CONTINUES.
You STILL can't find one in stores. The Craigslist guys are posting found Wii's for $100 over retail.
And think of it, Wii Fit, hasn't even hit. Fat Americans are going to buy Wii Fit just like they buy exercise equipment, to later store in the other room.
@TKWarrior,
Dude, you gotta real problem! Never, EVER post a reply wich only proves the criticism some other dude has fired your way. Have some pride, man.
Hilarious........
I think Sony is finally doing some real television advertising here of late. I don't watch a lot of tv but over the past month I have seen several PS3 commercials. Maybe it's been there all along or maybe it's just my market but I'm just now noticing them. It's all basic advertising fundamentals. You got the money Sony so advertise your ass off!
@TKWarrior
flamebaiting?
do you own shares from nintendo?
calm down, i am just a humble poster.
ok maybe the word i picked (hype) doesnt express exactly what i was trying to say which is normal,
since english is not my first language.
what i was trying to say is that the consumers enthusiasm surrounding the wii is slowing down as the product ages.
i am not an expert, but i am free to post my opinions, deal with it.
knee-jerk reactions are pretty idiotic too.
oh em gee. get a room, fanboys.
Hmmm... looking at vgchartz show that all three console sales are rising at a similar rate (the PS3 marginally faster than the other two). It's still in a solid 3rd place, and if the trend continues unabated may equal the 360's weekly by mid-late December.
This is just a fluff piece meant to promote the PS3, which is fine and dandy, but using the "Wii hype slowdown" just seems wrong, because it's sales are increasing as well.
I have all 3 so I don't care, but learn to sort the wheat from the chaff.
And for my money, I've given up on the PS3 as a BR player, because I'm not gonna use a game controller or a 2nd rate proprietary remote to watch movies. I know more than one PS3 owner pissed off about the lack of IR for movie watching.
sorry for my incorrections, i was not basing in facts, just my impressions.
guess i was wrong.
but it will happen sooner or later.
from what i know, the ps3 has a much bigger margin. two years from know sony will still be selling a lot of them. i think i cant say the same thing about the wii.
You know guys, it is possible to argue a premise without resorting to these ad hominem personal attacks.
Oh wait, I forgot we're on the internet.
umm inaccurate?
nice try.
small increase, 15% does not equal double.
WII : 192,482 (+31%) 6,065,631
XBOX 360: 173,895 (+25%) 8,467,762
PS3 : 63,788 (+15%) 2,324,092
source:
week ending in november 10th:
http://www.vgchartz.com/aweekly.php
Mark, I love how you go on every website and try to put down Sony. Boo hoo, my sony products didn't work, boo hoo. Cry about more will ya? I don't see you bitching over Rrod, probably cause you have Microsoft's cock stuck in your mouth. Dumbass 13 year olds.
is it just me or did the avatar system lower everyones EQ by 50 points?
Now if Sony can only realise they need to do the same with their Blu Ray players, everyone will be happy.
I agree. Release a $100 entry-level player. Take a loss per unit. Flood the market. Steal Christmas sales. Win the long term war. It would be worth the initial hit.
They're already taking a big loss per unit, that's half their problem.
Do you really want Sony to own the rights to all media in the world? Do you love Sony that much?
BlueRay Wins = Sony winning its race to monopoly!
I just pray that HD DVD comes out ahead or we will all be kneeling before a giant.
Because Sony owns which other current media?
And beside, Blu-Ray is not exclusive Sony.
Jason, who do you think is behind the current DVD format? It's Toshiba, thats why HD DVD is just a patch on the current DVD technology just to give it some more life.
Sony isn't the only company behind blu-ray, there are over 180 companies behind blu-ray with many of them equal in size if not bigger than Sony. The only reason everything having to do with Blu-ray brings up Sony is because they are the most well known and recognized brand.
@jason51873
On the other hand, if HD-DVD wins then Microsoft is another step closer to monopoly.
Say what you want but Blu-ray is the better format of the two.
DP,
What is your basis for Blu-ray being the better format?
Only thing I know is that it has more capacity than HD-DVD (50 vs 25 GB for a dual layer). What about production and manufacturing costs? Last I heard, it was a hell of a lot cheaper for HD-DVD than Blu-ray. So Blu-ray is better if you don't care about cost to the consumer?
Based on your rational; a Ford Excursion is "better" than a Toyota Rav4 because it holds more stuff. Great logic, I wish I could go through life as naive as that.
@Mal F4cti0n,
So that you do not have to take my word or any other commenter's word for this I have posted some quotes below from Richard Casey. Richard is an Executive Producer at R&B Films, LTD. R&B has released two of the highest quality releases in HD with "Nature's Journey" and "Chronos". Officially R&B is format neutral and have released these HD productions on both formats.
"However, from a production standpoint, there is no difference in cost between HD and BD formats."
"We pay approximately 30% more for a BD Replicated Disc than we do for an HD replicated disc. To us, this is a negligible difference at this early stage of the game."
::my comment--> The cost per disc has been shown to be between $1 and $2 so the price difference he is referring to is between $0.30 and $0.60 per disk.
"We truly pushed the maximum limit of both formats with a 26mbps VC-1 Video Encode and a 96/24 DTS-HD Soundtrack for the HD-DVD and a 37Mbps VC-1 Video Encode and 96/24 DTS-HD-MA Soundtrack on the Blu-ray Disc release."
"It makes a difference when calculating Bit Budgets for each disc as well as calculating the amount of disc space available. The combined Audio / Video encode must be 30mbps or less for HD-DVD and 48mbps or less for BD."
"Also, despite claims to the contrary, I believe most professional engineers could easily hear the difference between a lossy and a lossless audio encode. So can most audiophiles. In fact, most people can hear the difference once they understand what they need to listen for. I would argue the same for video encodes. Given the right content, there are definite differences in quality at various bit rates. As the Video CODECS become more efficient, there may be a point where you can get great encodes below 20mbps that looks every bit as good as a 25mbps encode. However, at this point in time, that is not typically the case."
You can read the rest of the interview here:
http://www.hidefpreview.com/Breaking%20News.html
Haha let him gloat a litle. Tbh its good news for sony, good news for the wii aswell. Who doesn't like constant sold out hardware? besides consumers.
Is it just me, or should Sony be happy that they're selling more consoles? It seems like they're only interested in selling Blu-Ray players...
Is this referring to the same period that has already been pointed out to be an issue of people going out and buying the 60GB model, that still has backwards compatibility, while it's still available?
I recall there being various figures ranging from 70% - 100% of all sales being attributed to the discontinued 60GB model.
I have to admit, the thing that irritates me the most with these multiple SKUs thing is that in terms of keeping track of the number of units sold, people count the $399 model as being the same as the the $499($599?) model.
This makes it really hard to discern between increase of sales due to the new model being preferred to the old model, and increase of sales due to scrambling to get the old model before it is discontinued.
The former one is good, as increases in sales for this reason tend to last. The latter is bad, as sales will drop as soon as you run out of said discontinued model.
Agreed. This was a very slick move on Sony's part. I personally had the PS3 pre-ordered before it was released last year, but canceled it when I saw the launch library, since I personally couldn't justify dropping 600 yet when I already had a 360 and Wii.
Now, with the 60GB model being discontinued, I had to grab one before I intended on getting a PS3 since full BC is important to me and many other gamers. This not only cleans out old stock but boosts their sales before the main holiday rush. This also leaves the $400 unit wide open for those looking for a good cheap Blu-ray player.
At least I only spent 500, but a lot of us now are waiting for more quality games to justify the purchase, from a gamers POV. Even most cross-platform titles lately have been rated better on the 360. Looking forward to Ratchet & Clank and Time Crisis 4, but that's about it for now.
the difficulty in being able to find a Wii is a genius move. it keeps the demand really high for it and they dont have to decrease their price any because of that!
Not really "genius" when you consider losing potential customers to other consoles. Ps3/360.
It still amazing that after a full year of release the demand is still quite high, in some parts of the world.Retailers are taking advantage of this which sucks. €294 for the wii is not justifiable.
Actually if you would have taken an economics course you would realize that artificially keeping demand high by reducing supply not only hurts your total profits (because you arent selling all you could at the market price), but it provides incentives for frustrated consumers to buy other consoles, which further hurts your profits. Its important to note the difference between oversupply and the correct supply the market desires.
i have taken an economics course, two undergrad and one graduate. it is not keeping demand artifically high. the demand is present because people want the product, not just because the product isn't widely available to every single person. and nintendo's profit isn't being hurt by the seemingly low supply of Wii's. everytime a store gets Wiis they are sold in a matter of days if not shorter. they don't have a problem with sales like the PS3 is having. with the demand for the Wii, they can keep their price the same without having to reduce it to get people to buy it. also, the Wii appeals to people of all ages, including people in retirement homes, markets which the PS3 and XBOX 360 do not appeal to.
sure the Wii may lose a few customers to the PS3 or XBOX 360, but so what? the potential custmer market for the Wii is drastically huger than that of its competitors due to the fact that the Wii appeals to all types of people - including people who never gave a damn about video games in the past. the Wii can afford to have some potential customers buy PS3s and XBOX 360s because they can tap into so many markets that sony and microsoft never dreamed of their consoles being able to tap in to.
Yes, quite the "breakthrough" indeed. Who would have ever thought the possibility that lower prices could lead to more sales??? A breakthrough, indeed.
you said " breakthrough indeed" twice . r u really intelligent , or did u just read a sherlock holmes book ?
Pricing of the console has made a difference...but the REAL difference has been that Sony is FINALLY delivering good games.
You now can go out and pick up Ratchet and Clank, Heavenly Sword, COD4, Motorstorm, WARHAWK...and soon Uncharted, which just looks amazing.
So now the disappointment level of the PS3 is double as well , Sweet ... Maybe another year from now there will be something to do with it other then watch it attract dust and watch a few blu ray movies
Its funny i am low ranked , That shows that none nobody who ranked me has a PS3 , because if you did you would agree until a few games come out its worthless , i had mine since launch day and i could have waited until today to pick it up and not even known i owed the thing other then a Blu ray player
Jon is right. Whats the point of spending all the money on a gaming console with no games.
I mean come on...the biggest news about the PS3 lately is that it will soon be able to play divx movies and can print to a Canon printer. Woo hoo...
It ALWAYS takes a year or so for really great games to show up on a system, yet every time a new console is released people buy it and complain there aren't any games. Here's a hint: Don't buy a console until the game support is satisfactory to you.
No, nintendo is hurting itself and its profit. even though it is making a profit on Wii, it is making a smaller profit than it would be if it resolved its supply "issues" and produced more product. It doesnt matter if nintendo is making 500 million dollars. If they could be making 600 million dollars they are pursuing an inefficent strategy. Making your own product hard to buy is quite dumb.
Price wars, good for them, great for us. Bring it on, I'm waiting, (sure with an empty wallet, but I'm still waiting)
The Wii hype is over. I saw one in the store the other day. The tide is turning. BWAHAHAHAHA!!
All kidding aside, I have a Wii AND a 360 and am finally considering the PS3 due to the price drop. My wife wants to play the new Ratchet and Clank. I have to keep the lady happy.
No games = no $ from me. Bottom line. I don't buy a video game console to watch movies.
That's exactly why I don't have a Wii, no good games for anyone older than 13...
The lack of Wiis is definitely a considered strategy from Nintendo. I don't believe for a second that the PS3 and 360 appeal to the same demographic as the Wii, therefore in hyping up demand - and therefore avoiding a price drop - there is little risk of losing customers to the competition (sic). As soon as their figures go down they'll up production.
For those who disagree that the lack of supply is different, could you give a valid reason why Nintendo cannot produce enough units? It's hardly at the nadir of technology and is probably as easy to build as a clock/radio. It's not like they are waiting for quicker processes to provide blue lasers or Cell chips......
It’s too easy to say Nintendo is holding off supply to artificially create demand when it has been as popular as it has been. Even Nintendo themselves admitted that they had no idea it would be so popular this last holiday season.
I could believe the ‘artificial demand’ conspiracy theory if it weren’t for the fact that they sold almost 14 million unit in one year. That’s a feat in itself for any new electronic product to market, especially when considering that the X360 hasn’t sold more globally and has been to retail a full year ahead of the Wii. This is with them opening upping production and diverting consoles to the US that were intended for other markets.
The argument could be made ‘Well contract more manufactures, open more fabs”. But from a business standpoint, that will help supply for a short time until things even out, then cost the company more in the long run.
I’ve never seen arguments made for Apple purposely holding back supply when people couldn’t find an iPhone or iPod. Most I’ve seen that swear Nintendo is creating false buzz by supply are those that are fans of another console or upset they cannot find one. The Wii is hard to find because they are selling. It’s called simple economics. Deal with it.
Look TKWarrior, you really must stop putting words into the posts of others and start dealing with what they say not what rantings lie in your brain. Otherwise you just come across as a silly fanboy. Where did I say "artificial"? Talk about setting up strawmen!!
Yes, all simple economics: just like increasing supply to meet demand (or decreasing supply to increase demand). There is no excuse for not producing enough Wii consoles; they are small, relatively basic and profit making. Still want to talk economics?
No Nintendo have not taken advantage of the demand yet, but that does not mean they never will!! Or perhaps there's a Wii 2 in the works?
Not exactly an honor student, were we, Jay?
"Yes, all simple economics: just like increasing supply to meet demand (or decreasing supply to increase demand). There is no excuse for not producing enough Wii consoles; they are small, relatively basic and profit making. Still want to talk economics?"
This is an impressively dumb thing to say. You clearly never made it past the first WEEK of economics. Let me spell it out for you:
Yes, "increase supply to meet demand" is a sound basic principle. However, once supply is maximized within the currently available manufacturing infrastructure, if demand is still not met, the decision becomes a little more complicated. We can assume that Nintendo has its factories and its business partners' plants running at full capacity. If that is NOT ENOUGH, then the only way to increase supply further is to build more factories, or further supplement the infrastructure to support a higher manufacturing output. These kinds of modifications come with VERY HIGH FIXED COSTS, and if after 3 years of Wii production the volume is no longer necessary due to the insane demand subsiding to a more realistic level, those expenses have already been incurred and can't be reversed. Not to mention the fact that bringing in other business partners for the sake of more volume or building more plants for greater internal production creates a greater risk of a quality control lapse, and history tells us that Quality Control and Quality of Workmanship are two things that Nintendo takes VERY seriously. Microsoft has helpfully demonstrated what happens when you don't.
As TKWarrior said, in the LONG term, "increasing supply until you meet demand" is often NOT the most profitable strategy for a company, given the real world constraints. In Econ 101 it is, but that's because you're just learning about what the hell a supply and demand curve is.
Nintendo knows what they're doing. I wish I could say the same for you.
You want this(PS3), don't you? The hate is
swelling in you now. Take your 360.
Use it. I am unarmed. Strike me down with it.
Give in to your anger. With each passing
moment, you make yourself more my servant.
lol, this sound a LOT a S&M stuff.
@FrankTheCrank
That is awesome...LOL. I can't stop laughing. I think the PS3 is finally hitting at home with games people will actually admit to playing to. Now I don't own a wii but I own both ps3 and 360, if I could find one here where I live I'm sure I'd pick one up.
Well, the price drop is what made me consider getting one so I can have all three consoles, plus there is games on the system that I want like Ratchet and Clank, Resistance (despite its a launch game), Uncharted, MGS4, and whatnot. The system has been getting good games (like R&C, Uncharted and Fokelore all got ratings in the 9s on IGN) and it has some good features, as well as BluRay playback (now in comparison, it IS cheaper to get a PS3 with BluRay than getting an Xbox 360 with an HD-DVD drive and BluRay is winning ATM, though I just want the format war to end).
Also, I agree with some that the Wii is in a very different demographic than the other two, which is what makes it so unique and one of the reasons I like it quite abit. Plus who can deny the top-notch Nintendo exclusives. But personally, I don't understand the shortages myself since I wouldn't imagine the Wii being as hard to produce as a PS3 or Xbox 360, so I would think it would be in a BIGGER supply, not a smaller one.
Blu-Ray is not "winning ATM" unless you mean Ass-To-Mouth (which you never do btw) because right now, its a stalemate... and it was admitted by the Sony execs that it was a stalemate... And i dont know what price drop youre excited about... The 360 premium is 349 and it comes with two games in the box... Still cheaper than the watered down 40 gig that does not do BC games, lost 2 USB ports, and I have comments on the Blu-Ray compatibility, but it'll start a flame war, so i'll just direct my comments at the PS3...
I guess so, but as I said, I just want the format war to end. Its personally just a giant headache and makes it a pain to get movies in HD, especially if a certain movie you want is only on HD-DVD while the other is only on BluRay.
Also, I know, I own all three consoles as I said, and the PS3 is a good platform, so is the Xbox 360 and so is the Wii. I think all of them are excellent platforms and all have their strenghs, as well as weaknesses. Also, not having BC stinks abit but I don't mind that too much. Heck, I never use the backwards compatibility on my Xbox 360 though the new Xbox games download feature does look interesting though.
AndyG, you need to get your facts straight...
Bluray is winning the format war. 61% market share since inception. Year to date, 64%. And 71% for the week ending 11/4.07.
I would say BLURAY is INDEED WINNING.
Read this:
http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/11/09/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/
@ Frank
If you read the article you would also realize that the HD-DVD player sale over weekend didnt impact those numbers yet. Saying BR is winning is far from the truth if you look at most BR/HD DVD sales over the last 4 months; BR goes down month by month where HD continues to grow, so yes; it is a stalemate right now.
If you’ve taken economics you wouldn’t really consider this genius by any means since they are not doing any followup to take advantage of it. Either razing price (in terms of console releasing bundled ver ex 2 controllers and some game) or adjusting to at least meet the demand for the holidays. I would argue its a good move throughout the year but to not meet the demand in holiday season is pure stupidity. If a parent is only buying 1 console and the wii is what they wanted to get but couldn’t, they will buy something for the holidays and it wont be the wii.
I sold my XBOX 360 for $300, and bought a PS3 for $399. Overall, I'm happy with my decision.
sucks to be you... hope you are lying... XBL is so much more established than any type of connectivity the PS3 has... and im not talking fold@home...
1. Demos, they have to download and install before playing... On the 360, download and play on the spot. no install time
2. XBLA has 3 times as many choices and options
3. Finding a friend online is much easier on the 360 than on the PS3
4. Matchmaking is much easier, and its easier to tag someone you met in a room
5. the PS3 menu system is kind of weak and convoluded...
6. The 360's controller is so much more comfortable than the PS
I mean, if you wanted a blu-ray player, i understand, but WHY get rid of your 360...
Well, I don't understand why you would get rid of your Xbox 360 instead of just keeping both platforms. The only reason I would if he's gotten the RROD (what I call the 360's "Great plague") ALLOT but still, the Xbox 360 is a good platform.
1. Yea, that is one minor annoyance on the PS3. I am guessing the PS3 downloads the files like a ZIP and has to extract them, thus the "installing". The Xbox 360's demos are just one self-contained file that the demos run entirely from.
2. I agree there, XBLA has FAR, FAR more games than PSNs downloadable games right now.
3. True for the moment, though I heard "Home" might change that. But still, Xbox Live is far better and currently the best console online service going.
4. True as well, but the only thing that bothers me is XBL's lack of dedicated servers, which can hurt lag times in some games (like the issues with Team Fortress 2).
5. Not true at all, the XMB is a good interface, though I do like the 360's abit better.
6. The PS controller is comfortable but the Xbox 360 controller does feel better and more comfortable. Only downer - the D-Pad.
To address your points above...
1. Frankly, I really don't care about demo download times...
2. Agreed. I play NHL08 online and I'm not blown away with the results...
3. Don't know, haven't tried... You may be right... Sony obviously needs to work on their online offering...
4. In all probability I will never need to use 'Matchmaking'...
5. Disagree. I find the PS3 menu system much more sophisticated than that of the XBOX 360...
6. Agreed. I don't like the way the PS3 controller feels in my hands (maybe if I had small hands)... I also don't like the way the two analogs are rounded convexly... Lastly, I'm annoyed that the controller is Bluetooth, as I cannot program my all-in-one remote (which uses infrared or UHF) to control my PS3...
Now, let's go the other way...
1. XBOX Live is the equivalent of taxation...
2. Included BluRay player must be seen to be appreciated... Looks amazing on my 46" Samsung LCD...
3. Aesthetically, the XBOX 360 looks like a toy - as does it's matching controller...
4. The XBOX 360 sounds like I'm running a large air conditioner in my living room... That's a HUGE one for me - I was really bothered by the contant noise of the 360
lololol @ fanboys
Chiefsoap,
Great name. And no, not a fanboy at all. Just appreciate good technology.
Unfortunately, selling "double" is based on the numbers they were previously selling, which were horrible. So really all they did was move themselves into a "closer last" place for gaming consoles. Sure, great for Blu-Ray, etc.
The big question is will the increased sales be sustained, or are we only seeing a bubble due to the price drop? When the previous models were discontinued/discounted, they "doubled" their sales as well, but they didn't stay doubled. Unless they can actually follow through with a steady stream of worthwhile (and especially exclusive) games, they're still going to be an also-ran.
I think TKWarrior's reply says all that we need to know about him: great bringer of proof (sic) and strawmen. Thanks for saving me more typing time. Now finish your homework before Mom gets mad.
Classy, very classy.
It's very easy to call someone else childish and a fanboy out of one side of your mouth, while acting the very same and worse in your own posts. Sorry I couldn’t entertain you more, but daddy had to go to work this morning. I hope you weren't refreshing the page too long before feeling better about yourself.
Fortunately, others here have already defended my points for me and proven that reading is indeed fundamental. And judging by the comment rankings many agree.
This is a comments section on a tech blog, after all. Please grow up and read facts and comments for what they are. I can’t help you if you are seeing some hidden emotions or agendas that simply aren’t there.
While acting the same? Show me where I've set up strawmen and/or puts words into others' posts and/or argued with someone by twisting their points and I'll let that stand. You say you deal with facts: prove it.
AGAIN, I didn't say your points were wrong, I said they were not relevant to the posts you were arguing with. Very simple. You're a flamebating, fanboy moron - and others here have agreed with that too if you'd bothered reading all the posts, so stop acting like everyone thinks you are right.
Child.
ROFL - Wow, just wow.
A reader of the site for a loong time, and it finally took someone
like Jay for me to sign up. You should feel proud of yourself, buddy!
Now I have to maintain accounts on here and Giz (don't hate, I'm love
all the interwebs).
Not like anyone will actually see this (the article is burried by now
and nobody cared to begin with) so this is a message between me and
you Jay: Grow up.
TK didn't need to reply to your dumb s!it and you didn't have to
respond, either. But after reading all the comments, I can see he (I'm
assuming with the daddy remark) at least made some un-biased remarks
based on fact, while you seem to be trying to argue with speculation
and here-say on anything not pro-sony. I don't see where he put words
in your mouth (I'll read again), but its not like you were painting a
positive picture of yourself with your childish remarks.
Speaking of PS3 (that is what the article is about after all) I can
see with TKs post history he's actually looking forward to Time Crisis
4, as am I. Guncon3 FTW! Doesn't seem like a wii fanboy to me.
However, you sir, have ALLOT of posts on www.ps3fanboy.com.
Interesting.....
So before you respond in 5 minutes to call me a child too, let me get
a chance to act the part. I'll call a spade a spade and say STFU
troll.
Looking forward to your insightfull words in the future.
(And TK, please don't respond anymore. I'm not exactly defending you
here but lowering yourself to his/her kind doesn't paint a better
picture for yourself, either. Just stop while you're ahead next time
or nobody will take you seriously, okay?)
^^ Sockpuppet much? A much too much.
By the way TK, if you can't take it don't dish it out so readily. Just look at the way you originally replied to "w" at the start of this thread then claim you still have the moral high ground. Oh dear, another one of your "facts" that proves my point.
And for the last time, replying with facts is all well and good as long as the facts relate to the post you are disagreeing with. Some guy claims Wii hype is ending and you go ballistic saying it's sold x millions in the past. So what? He didn't say it HAD no hype and HAD sold little. He commented on the future. And that demonstrates your problem.
"LOL. Go back to your bridge and stop flame-baiting." (Copyright TKWarrior)
I was ready to buy a PS3 finally after the price drop, until I found out they were removing the BC. I have so many PS2 games and there aren't that many yet for PS3 I want.
I'll pass for now.
A lot of these bigger sales in some countries are people grabbing the BC 60GB before it disappears. Mainly because there has been no word on replacement BC version to sit next to the 40GB.
Xmas period is crucial for Sony; once the 60GB is gone they need to keep the figures up with the 40........
Why would one buy the 60 GB unit for 500 dollars, while there is an 80 GB unit for the same price and BC... I really don't know, unless people are actually not running to buy the 60 GB version like many of you speculate here. I think the higher PS3 demand is simply due to three factors; price cut to 400 dollars( which is in my opinion contributed to most of those sames numbers), better games and simply its the holiday season, sales soar for everything on holidays...
As of the Wii losing customers due to limited supplies, I doubt that, since wii customers are not really gamers(I mean like ps3/360 gamers). There are more casual and I believe if there was no wii at all (hypothatically) they would not buy a gaming console in the first place..
The 80 gigger does BC via software. The 60 gigger has PS2 chips in it.
So that's news, but somehow Engadget never touched this story?
http://www.joystiq.com/2007/11/09/xbox-360-outsells-ps3-in-japan/
Some of you may want to rethink your comments about people buying up the 60g units because I think the reference is that the 40s are what is selling. Personally I'm upgrading from the original X-Box to the PS3 40g. I bought the X-box as a DVD player that would play games and now I'm buying the PS3 as a Blu-Ray player that plays games. I support Blu-Ray because of the greater bandwidth, which should better support lossless audio with good video. I don't care about PS2 compatability since I have none of those games. I like the lower power & heat of the 40g so I can run folding@home. At this point I think the PS3 is the most future proof Blu-Ray player, except of course the expensive dual format players. Sony will keep pushing updates to this platform long after any stand-alone player released this season. By the way, forget about a winner in the "format war". If multiple game platforms can survive, so can multiple movie formats, however unfortunate that is. I expect to watch any HD DVD flicks via download or on-demand. If the 40g HDD is to small I can always upgrade. I just wish Logitech would release a Harmony remote with Bluetooth.
The real question is, can they keep pace with 75k unis? at every price drop there is going to be influx of new buyers, I think they need more high quality games before sony can really smile, right now they're just taking a big hit on the console and no income coming in from games.
Gran Turismo 5 is the only reason I'd get a PS3. Backwards compatibility is a glitchy joke. A $200 PS3 with no blueray hddvd crap would be great. Why does a console have to take over my entertainment center. Maybe I just want to watch TV and play video games once in a while. What's wrong with that?
This is just preemptive PR to soft'n the blow from todays NPD numbers.
I'll buy a PS3 when it comes out with Socom, Home, and a vibrating controller. My wife won't buy me one until the controller has the vibrate function for some reason.
Well you can debate all you want, but I got my 40GB PS3 on Friday, and love it. I had been waiting to get into both the next-gen game system and the high-def video market, and now I'm in both and have bought several Blu-ray movies.
This system is what I've been waiting for. It has no cons for me at all--I'm not a "sucker" and I researched this well. I"m no fanboy, but Sony knows what they're doing.
So far I'm LOVING my PS3. Call of Duty 4 is recockulous, Rachet is uber fun, and I've played the Uncharted demo about 10 times so I know that is gonna rock.
Come on people, stop goofing off and get to work.....your boss is going to find out your fighting over bull shit that does not matter on the your company computer and your comapy bandwidth. Flaming takes a lot of bandwidth you know. Be nice will ya. These are game consoles people, meant for fun. I think owning all 3 is a the best way...if you can afford, because they all are really cool machines and have their palce in the silicon world.
So chill and use this energy to raise the money to buy them all. A'right.
Things are slowly starting to look up for PS3. The Divx news is great too. let's hope the momentum carries over until the big exclusives hit next year.
Don't believe Sony's hype on this one.
Wow, Sony sold 175,000 PS3s over two weeks based on the release of a new version. This means that stores around the world put in more orders for the 40GB model in order to have it in stock. That does not relate to consumer's purchasing the 40GB model. I will wait to see the Japanese weekly and NPD numbers before I believe anything coming out of Sony's camp.
Personally, I am still waiting for the $300 price point to pick me up a PS3. $400 is still too high.
hahahaha, and I am sure that comment will be over the heads of most people here.
NERDS!!!!....oh, wait!
Was supposed to reply to:Yoshi Kick @ Nov 15th 2007 12:13PM
I'll buy a PS3 when it comes out with Socom, Home, and a vibrating controller. My wife won't buy me one until the controller has the vibrate function for some reason.
For some reason, Engadget won't let me reply there.....?
BTW you dinosaurs that can't handle bluetooth remotes should be aware that that at least one company makes usb IR adapter dongles.
Find me online playing Warhawk AKA Onigauss
Im picking mine up today.
I found a store w/ 60GB's in stock!
I just got my new 40 gig PS3 and my 42" Panasonic Plasma 1080p rig setup and operational. It was a
snap configuring the PS3 for my WEP wifi router, updated the firmware to 2.0 and I'm good to go.
The 40 gig model with the new 65 mil die is cool and totally silent.
I'm very happy with this TV/Console pair...my only wish would be to have the ability to add a bunch
more RAM...and the Blue Ray Drive is fanatasic.
-Surfer
Translation: Sony is now losing twice as much money as it was a few months ago. Excellent.
Wii is a fantastic console from view of innovative controller, it may be underspecced to the 360 and PS3 but the install base will ensure that developers will write better code and intuitive games for it eventually just like the PS2.
PS3 combines similar motion sensing technology and blazing performance , i hope to see the motion controller technology on both consoles compete for the same casual gamer market to produce better more intuitive to play motion games. I.e wii Bowling and PS3 high velocity bowling.
At the same time the PS3 competes with the X360 for physics and amazing graphics.
This competition means the PS3 games will have a higher bar than other consoles.
I hope to see the resultant games comming up will be fun to play have stunning graphics and realistic physics. Think gamers are going to see some fantastic stuff on PS3 the current batch of titles is the tip of the iceberg. The console will sell like a rolling stone, the more sales the more developers can spend and the better the games and PS3 has huge scope.
Funny how Sony have managed to make 20 MILLION PS2's a year....
Of course, the Wii is so advanced and hi-tech it is harder and takes much longer to make.....oh no, hang on a minu
^^ Sockpuppet, much?
A much too much!
^^ Why don't these comments appear where you've replied!!!!
andyg8180 wrote:
"Blu-Ray is not "winning ATM" unless you mean Ass-To-Mouth (which you never do btw) because right now, its a stalemate... and it was admitted by the Sony execs that it was a stalemate... And i dont know what price drop youre excited about... The 360 premium is 349 and it comes with two games in the box... Still cheaper than the watered down 40 gig that does not do BC games, lost 2 USB ports, and I have comments on the Blu-Ray compatibility, but it'll start a flame war, so i'll just direct my comments at the PS3..."
Dude you really should read full interviews before you run off at the mouth. In the interview he states that Blu-Ray is outselling HD-DVD by more than 2 to 1, which is a fact. Blu-Ray players also have a much larger install base, FACT. The stalemate comment which was twisted by 360 fanboy sites was commenting on the fact that there will still be two formats as they won't be able to completely kill it off because of the Paramount deal. It is a FACT that Blu-ray is currently kicking HD-DVD's a**, and I own both formats.
As far as the 360-PS3 comments you made; Again, I own both formats but you just aren't thinking straight. Let's look at the price of the 60/80 GB versus 20 GB 360: PS3 60/80GB is $499 and comes with a game or w/the 60 you can choose between 2 games or an extra controller. 360 20 GB $349. The 360 was touted as the "Ultimate wireless format" yet doesn't have Wi-Fi. I don't think everyone wants their router right by their entertainment system. That means you pay $100 for the adapter. Which makes the price you pay $449. If you want that extra controller or game it's $50 more which brings us to the same price of $499. Oh and you still have to pay for a year of Xbox Live you want online gaming which is $50. That's $540 to get the same thing you have with a $499 PS3. Oh, hold on, not exactly. You still won't have an HD format movie player which you get with the PS3. To get that you'll have to spend $170. That would be $710 to get what the PS3 offers and still have 1/3 of the HD space.
I love both systems but this 360 fanboy bs about getting more value and being cheaper is completely off the mark.
@ Jay
Looks like you've gone and upset his boyfriend aswell now jay