damn. just when i thought AMD was catching up. if AMD can really get a handle on their HD3800 series, and the Ge Force 9 series doesnt suck, the GPU market should get a whole lot more interesting.
im still leaning towards a HD3870 but we'll see how this news plays out.
Catching up? To what? They are so far behind that their best isn't even on par with a mediocre card from their competition. I don't care which company comes out with it but I am ready for the next enthusiast cards to come out already. I am bored with my ultras and am ready to upgrade. Does it really take more than a year to beat the 8800 series? The current trend of releasing midrange cards that only perform well with no AA and at low resolutions is frustrating. I wish Intel would hurry up and jump into the discrete graphics market to light a fire under Nvidia's butt. Sadly, ATI has proven that they can't do this.
Meanwhile it seems it's 7 more month before nvidia catches up to include DX10.1 and shaders4.1. Typical ATI/AMD to be ahead where it doesn't help though isn't it?
Dustin, while I'm a die-hard Nvidia fan, ATI is most definitely catching up with the 150-200 dollar HD 3800 series' terrific price performance ratio. Easily smoking the 8600GTS of all clocks and brands (3870 that is) and still being cheaper, ATI has killed that part of the market. If they can release another board for roughly 250 bucks that performs roughly as well as the GT/GTX, then the will have a real competitor with the fact that they have DDR4 cards.
I understand what you're saying, but I just don't care about the midrange market, never have. I don't think that it's too much to ask that ATI come out with a 8800 killer in more than a years time. If not an 8800 killer then at least a card that is on par with it. Buying midrange at this point is a waste in my opinion. High end cards like gtx and ultra are having a rough time with new games at high res and candy turned on. Midrange absolutely sucks at it from both companies. If you buy a midrange card now, you are basically guaranteeing that you won't be able to play next years fall game lineup or be able to upgrade to a decent screen res. Decent being 1920x1080/1200 and up. If you haven't already jumped on the high end band wagon earlier this year then it would be better to just wait for the new high end to come out. I haven't always felt this way about midrange, because at one point in time midrange actually had some sustainability. But today's midrange just can't perform with today's games. ATI shouldn't be congratulated for releasing obsolescences to the masses.
i dont really see how the HD3870 is a midrange card but whatever. you also have to look at the fact that the card costs $220 and is also the most efficient Crossfire/SLI card on the market. when you set up two of these suckers you get an 80-85% performance increase. there are also dual GPU boards coming out and you can crossfire up to four boards at once (mobo permitting of course) so theoretically you could run eight GPUs at the same time. the dual GPU boards are gonna cost around $400 so that would run you about $1600 but then you can run Crisis 2 at what ever resolution you want buddy!. meanwhile im very interested in getting two HD3870s and putting them on my Crossfire mobo and playing at 1440x900.
it seems like too many people are into PC gaming just so they can say their rig can run at higher FPS at a higher res than yours.
The 3870 isn't midrange for ATI, but it is midrange when compared to the rest of the market. That was my point. A single GTX still beats the the 3870 in crossfire in almost every game. In modern games like Crysis, A single 8800gt is almost equal to a 3870 crossfire setup http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews/3870-XXX/cfgood.php. The 3870 does absolutely horribly with any AA enabled and can perform only when in dx9 mode and no eye candy turned on. This isn't my opinion but evident from every single benchmark posted on the net. I think the 8800GT performs miserably as well but it isn't Nvidia's high end either. But at 1440x900 any of these midrange cards is overkill.
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damn. just when i thought AMD was catching up. if AMD can really get a handle on their HD3800 series, and the Ge Force 9 series doesnt suck, the GPU market should get a whole lot more interesting.
im still leaning towards a HD3870 but we'll see how this news plays out.
Catching up? To what? They are so far behind that their best isn't even on par with a mediocre card from their competition. I don't care which company comes out with it but I am ready for the next enthusiast cards to come out already. I am bored with my ultras and am ready to upgrade. Does it really take more than a year to beat the 8800 series? The current trend of releasing midrange cards that only perform well with no AA and at low resolutions is frustrating. I wish Intel would hurry up and jump into the discrete graphics market to light a fire under Nvidia's butt. Sadly, ATI has proven that they can't do this.
Meanwhile it seems it's 7 more month before nvidia catches up to include DX10.1 and shaders4.1.
Typical ATI/AMD to be ahead where it doesn't help though isn't it?
Dustin, while I'm a die-hard Nvidia fan, ATI is most definitely catching up with the 150-200 dollar HD 3800 series' terrific price performance ratio. Easily smoking the 8600GTS of all clocks and brands (3870 that is) and still being cheaper, ATI has killed that part of the market. If they can release another board for roughly 250 bucks that performs roughly as well as the GT/GTX, then the will have a real competitor with the fact that they have DDR4 cards.
I understand what you're saying, but I just don't care about the midrange market, never have. I don't think that it's too much to ask that ATI come out with a 8800 killer in more than a years time. If not an 8800 killer then at least a card that is on par with it. Buying midrange at this point is a waste in my opinion. High end cards like gtx and ultra are having a rough time with new games at high res and candy turned on. Midrange absolutely sucks at it from both companies. If you buy a midrange card now, you are basically guaranteeing that you won't be able to play next years fall game lineup or be able to upgrade to a decent screen res. Decent being 1920x1080/1200 and up. If you haven't already jumped on the high end band wagon earlier this year then it would be better to just wait for the new high end to come out. I haven't always felt this way about midrange, because at one point in time midrange actually had some sustainability. But today's midrange just can't perform with today's games. ATI shouldn't be congratulated for releasing obsolescences to the masses.
i dont really see how the HD3870 is a midrange card but whatever. you also have to look at the fact that the card costs $220 and is also the most efficient Crossfire/SLI card on the market. when you set up two of these suckers you get an 80-85% performance increase. there are also dual GPU boards coming out and you can crossfire up to four boards at once (mobo permitting of course) so theoretically you could run eight GPUs at the same time. the dual GPU boards are gonna cost around $400 so that would run you about $1600 but then you can run Crisis 2 at what ever resolution you want buddy!. meanwhile im very interested in getting two HD3870s and putting them on my Crossfire mobo and playing at 1440x900.
it seems like too many people are into PC gaming just so they can say their rig can run at higher FPS at a higher res than yours.
The 3870 isn't midrange for ATI, but it is midrange when compared to the rest of the market. That was my point. A single GTX still beats the the 3870 in crossfire in almost every game. In modern games like Crysis, A single 8800gt is almost equal to a 3870 crossfire setup http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews/3870-XXX/cfgood.php. The 3870 does absolutely horribly with any AA enabled and can perform only when in dx9 mode and no eye candy turned on. This isn't my opinion but evident from every single benchmark posted on the net. I think the 8800GT performs miserably as well but it isn't Nvidia's high end either. But at 1440x900 any of these midrange cards is overkill.