Mac OS X 10.5.2 is packing hefty fixes, due January-ish
By Paul Miller 
posted Dec 19th 2007 5:20PM
posted Dec 19th 2007 5:20PM
As much love as Apple's Mac OS X Leopard has received in the press and from users, there are still plenty of bugs that need ironing out. Lucky for those users and those not-easily-embarrassed members of the press, Apple seems to be addressing most of those remaining bugs with its 10.5.2 update, which it just seeded to developers. There are apparently 76 fixes listed in the release notes, ranging from fan-faves like MacBook AirPort funkiness to obscure gems like Rosetta PowerPC compatibility memory leaks. This is just the first distribution of the update, and a release to users is rumored to hit mid-January, coinciding with new hardware at Macworld.
My poor MBP. I have the latest MBP release (2.4Ghz, 8800m gt). Unfortunately, Apple programmers know how to write a WHOLE OS but can't add the 8800m gt to the Nvidia driver's ini file(cause that's what I had to do in order to replace the crap Apple bootcamp drivers).
Also, as far as Leopard is concerned, Quicktime plays like crap (HD content has screen tearing) and Leopard still thinks that my bootcamp partition is an iPod, CD, or DVD. YAY!
But my keyboard lights up when it gets dark. :0
Oh they're not charging for this one?
No; they only charge for 10.X releases, not 10.X.X...
Its like you Windows users never paid for SP1, SP2, SP3... oh wait, spoke too soon, you already paid upwards of 400 bucks for SP3 ;)
mike, i think (read: hope) he was kidding on that one.
Those of us that understand humor will recognize that the OP was poking fun at the service pack-type, near Windows-esque upgrades that are the incremental aspect of 10.X upgrades/updates.
It's pretty obvious that these are bugfixes (and good, long needed ones at that), and not anything else.
But, we all got that humor, didn't we?
I only paid $120 for Vista Premium - don't know many that paid 400 for ultimate, besides there's simple registry hacks (in which I had no problems implementing) to enable some of the missing features between premium and ultimate
As we're all aware ALL OS's have bugs so get off your high horse - Apple is not infallible
Windows 2000 = NT 5
Windows XP = NT 5.1-5.2 (they gave significant new features for free in service packs)
Windows Vista = NT 6
So the paying or not varies with Microsoft release.
@ Mike
/sarcasm, you're a mac user you might know this concept.
ArcticFox: lol, mac users dont need to spend 130 with each major release. i dont know whod be stupid enough to go out and buy OS X legit as it doesnt need a serial.
@Michael LaFramboise:
Hate to rain on your parade here, but XP SP2 was for certin, free.
Take a look see : http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/sp2/default.mspx
It clearly says "free update for XP". I already bought this computer with SP2 a few years ago, so I don't really care. I just really hate it when 'some' Apple users like to put these little lies in, to make it sound so better.
And I don't know where the heck you got that $400 tag.
Fritz. How can i get in contact with you? I want some of the ultimate features for free.
For anyone that is interested:
OK here's a clue to to enable remote desktop for premium...SP1 may break it, but I'm sure it'll be solved in a matter of days. The performance of RDC through Vista is waayyyy faster than a free third party.
Got to thegreenbutton search for "alternates to remote desktop" and you should find it in a thread.
I don't want to just provide a link because I think its on a personal website. There are hacks to other features missing in Premium which you can search for on TGB or should be able to find on other forums....believe me they're there...
Yeah but how many 10.x updates have there been in XP and Vista lifetime, Windows users only have to pay every few years, OSX users have to pay $130 every 10.x release.
802.1x fixed yet?
Maybe Adobe will be ready by then and upgrading to Leopard will make sense
And FileMaker Server --- My god those people are ALWAYS months behind
And Nvidia as well. I'd like my Tiger 60 FPS back.
and digidesign protools
The worst part about DigiDesign is that when they do update they're going to charge us for it.
I just got my MacBook Pro with Leopard and I can't tell if it's working right correctly or filled with bugs... this is what I get for growing up with Windows everywhere.
Well they just patched 30 security holes today:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=307179
And they have 76 fixes to roll out in January.
It just works...like any other piece of software, Windows or not, it has plenty of bugs/holes/flaws...
I hope they get rid of STACKS and bring back the old hierarchical function. Worst leopard bug by far.
Thats not a bug its a feature.
lawl
you know your a mac user when you have to tell yourself "its not a bug, its a feature"
DEATH TO STACKS!
Stacks is my favorite Leopard feature, not by far or anything, but it's my favorite. Clean and simple feature that most definitely just works. People who want to bring back hierarchical menus within the dock either don't know what Quicksilver is, where the new and totally rewritten Spotlight is, or haven't heard of the new Finder. Sometimes change is a good thing, if you're open to it.
Done and done: http://macenstein.com/default/archives/983
"According to a source familiar with the latest Leopard build seeded to developers, in addition to all those meaningless “little” fixes (like Data Detectors, the Mac OS X Dock, the Finder, grammar checking, iCal, iChat, Mail, Parental Controls, Quick Look, Rosetta, Safari, Time Machine, and AirPort), our source tells us that Apple has fixed Stacks by adding the missing “list view” option that should have been there all along!"
Any word, or guess of what these fixes will be? Now, if only MIcrosoft would improve Vista like this.
I get so tired of this comment! There have been 52 updates to Vista since release. That averages out to about one a week. Please, quit pretending that updates only come in service packs. No company out there, even Apple, updates their software more often that Microsoft.
Seems like Apple is releasing updates like Sony does for the PS3. LOL :) BTW I own a PB so I welcome newer updates as long as they don't slow down my already slow 1GHz PPC machine.
Oh dear "obscure gems like Rosetta PowerPC" someone doesn't know their macs very well... This happens to be quite critical for old PowerPC programs that need to run on Intel.
Could this be why all my powerPC programs run like complete ass ever since the leopard upgrade? I had to upgrade to 3 GB of RAM on my MBP because photoshop and illustrator (CS2) somehow managed to use ALL 2GB.
I hope Apple fixes the problem with the Airport dropping internet connection in Macbook.
Seconded. It's ridiculous - how hard is it to make an AirPort driver that works? AirPort has been funky ever since 10.4.10.
So you're complaining about the fact that Apple likes to keep a steady pace of major OS versions, unlike Microsoft which needed six years to finally get Vista out the door?
Sigh.
you are forgetting the reason WHY that happened was so they could work on SP2 for XP which you got free (assuming you had xp)
Please please please please let this have a fix for FrontRow and it's inability to play through Airtunes.
My Apple MacBook Pro crashes practically every day. A MacBook Pro apparently completely seizes when you wake from sleep and then switch network locations.
And yesterday my Dock crashed. It suddenly crashed and then kept rapidly disappearing and reappearing. Like this: Crash, relaunch. Crash, relaunch. Crash, relaunch. Crash, relaunch. Crash, relaunch..... (Up, down, Up, Down, UP, down, etc, for eternity). Deleting a swath of Apple preferences did not fix the problem. In the end, I had to remove their new Leopard "spring loaded quickview folder snap" folders from the right side of the Dock, apparently Apple has missed a couple exceptions in those somewhere.
Here's an idea:
APPLE -- YOU HAVE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS -- can't you SPEND A COUPLE MILLION BEFORE EACH LAUNCH TO TEST YOUR SOFTWARE better? Pay some people! Come up with a bug reporting policy for you own employees! MY GOD! Is this your plan? To just farm out your bug reporting to your users? That seems really disingenuous.
Personally, I can't be submitting your bug reports all day long anymore. I've already got a full time job. I've had it. When the Beachball of Death comes up, I turn my chair around and open a book, or switch to my iPhone.
Seriously, they only have maybe 75 computer configurations that they have that will run this, it seems like they could have tested this better.
"And yesterday my Dock crashed. It suddenly crashed and then kept rapidly disappearing and reappearing. Like this: Crash, relaunch. Crash, relaunch. Crash, relaunch. Crash, relaunch. Crash, relaunch..... (Up, down, Up, Down, UP, down, etc, for eternity)."
Yesterday, my dock also kept crashing. Crash, Crash, relaunch, relaunch, Crash, Crash, relaunch, relaunch, reboot, shutdown, reboot, shutdown (Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right)
My life expectancy then went up by 30 years.
randy - my MBP is in a new network connection practically every time I wake it from sleep -- about 2-3 times per day & its fine.
If you MacBook Pro is crashing that frequently. i would have it check. I sleep in onlocation and wake in other twice every day and it NEVER crashes.
Could be a bad mother board, or memory, or what ever. I doubt it's leopard though.
the dock crashing crap is down to metadata in the file not being read correctly, or not being recognised.
many people experience this within finder, when viewing a file crashes finder. if that file is in a docked folder (for stacks) the dock will crash when reading the file and hence it cycles.
Apparently the latest revision of the MacBook Pro becomes a multitouch tablet with the software update. Who knew that it was a touchscreen all along?
'Apple had over five times the number of security flaws per month than Windows XP and Vista during the last 12 months...'
http://www.tech.co.uk/computing/mac/news/new-mac-os-x-security-update?articleid=705819797
Popularity would appear to be a mixed blessing for the now trendy Macintosh platform.
@randy
"Personally, I can't be submitting your bug reports all day long anymore. I've already got a full time job. I've had it. When the Beachball of Death comes up, I turn my chair around and open a book, or switch to my iPhone."
Are you sure a true Mac user? Been running the new OS since release date and haven't had a problem yet. Also, if all the problems are true, I think Apple does a hell of a better job developing software than MS ever will, since this is their first minor hiccup in an OS and I don't consider it a hiccup since I haven't had any problems yet.
Same goes for Vista. I haven't have problems with it, and from posts from another article in Giz, a lot of people also have had no problems with Vista. But there are also people having terrible problems with Vista and here you hear some people having bad time with Leopard. So how is Apple any better at developing software than Vista? Apple doesn't have to deal with millions of combinations in hardware like MS does and they are also less popular so they should have an easier time developing their OS. Now that they are gaining popularity a lot of the problems they have avoided are showing up. From what I can see, previous releases of OSX had "minor hiccups" but not to the extent on this release which is issuing "hefty fixes", so I wouldn't call these problems minor hiccups.
I agree with Jake.
That's rather arrogant of you, what a surprise, to think just because you're not facing a problem with your product, other people aren't.
I too use Vista, and other than compatibility problems, Vista works awesome for me. The other things I run in compatibility mode. I use Media Center as my prime DVR and is the focal point of my entertainment center, I'm happy to use the best office suite in the world on my OS (Office 07'), and there's several other tidbits in Vista over Leopard.
So thanks for trying.
You are joking right? "First minor hiccup?" You obviously haven't been running OS X since version 10.0! Talk about a train wreck. It took Apple several versions to iron out the kinks, and get the OS running decently.
-Michael-
"and there's several other tidbits in Vista over Leopard."
Engadget themselves did a check on Vista vs Leopard, as have PC World and many others. It's quite hard to find one where Leopard lost to Vista.
http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/27/leopard-vs-vista-feature-chart-showdown/
So I bought a Macbook about a year ago and the big selling point was bootcamp. Even though it was in beta, I was sold on it because I could always boot into Windows. Now I have to buy Leopard for just this one feature? I don't think I will every buy another Apple product.
You don't have to buy it! Just get it from someone else for free or download it off the net!
Apple don't care if people pirate Leopard, they rather people have the latest stuff.
If they were concerned don't you think they would have created some amazing anti-piracy thing yet?
bootcamp was not the selling point.. it was in beta.. apple themselves even advised using paralells, and im pretty sure they even said that in the tv commercial.. your mistake, not apples
That's why you run it in a virtual machine. The ability to run Windows on a Mac was impressive for, as it helped me with both maintaining and testing my site. I hear VMware is better than Parallels though. In fact, I run Windows in Parallels. It's much easier than rebooting the Mac entirely.
Wow, bootcamp was a beta and was advertised to be in Leopard, not Tiger. But I like your style. I read posts on a tech blog today thinking I would see intelligent commentary only to find out I'd have to read a better blog. I'll never read Engadget again.
What happened to "It just works?"
it just went out of style
hopefully this fill fix some problems
I'm sorry there are release notes but we can't see them? We can count them but we can't list them?
Bah... even on the AppleInsider post it seemed no one was actualylcurious about the actual release notes -- just speculating randomly about bugs. The list exists! We gotta see the list!
I really hope Apple fixes global warming as well.
yeah the one caused by hot air from all fanboys
funny thing is, theyre trying (al gore)
By the looks of it, it HAS been fixed:
http://tinyurl.com/39gnm4
I run XP on one machine Vista on another and OSX Leopard on my Macbook. My friggen macbook has issues loosing connection with my router constantly. Needing to turn off the Airport than turn on sometimes reboot. Etc i hope this pain will be gone. My Windows machines never hiccup on the connection. Browsing also seems much slower even though my macs faster than my old Thinkpad.
I love this Macbook but they need to fix some of the core features. My windows pcs may not get stuff done as flashy but they do what they need to do WORK!
I am seriously confused. I watch every mac advertisement and I am SURE that they don't have any bugs in their software. The cool guy says so and embarrasses the PC guy every time!
Did you know mac laptops come with a built-in webcam. Take that PC! hahaha You PCs look like such a fool taping a webcam to your head.
Since when does Leopard have problems. It's perfect in every way. The problems must be due to installing it on old machines or something. Hey, it just works. I'm sure it will be just fine when I get around to installing it.
Great news although I must admit I have not had any major problems with Leopard since 10.5.1
Just don't call it a service pack. :)
I have:
Intel Mac Mini w/ Leopard
G5 Mac w/ Leopard
PowerBook w/Tiger
HP Pavilion Running XP
Gateway Laptop Running Vista Home
1. Intel Mac Mini
Great for day to day stuff with light graphic use / Very little problems. I don't think this computer has ever crashed on me
2. G5
I use it for all my video editing / audio / Web design / Graphic Design / This computer has crashed from time to time. Crash isn't the word, more like locked up. Most of the time, I've found it was a Microsoft product, a font issue or a corrupted preference file that needed to be deleted. Now with Leopard, it has never crashed. If something doesn't go right, it will shut down the software. If you can relaunch it, it runs fine. If you cannot, you do need to restart the computer.
3. Macbook
Again, very little problems, running it very much like the Mac Mini
4. HP
I had bought it not too long ago from a computer store. It was used, but was running XP. I have a couple other computers that could be considered equally bad to this. Partly this is my fault. I let my kids download stuff and didn't realize the many viruses, spyware and exploits. After a major crash due to spyware, I had to reinstall XP. Now I am running multiple creditable spyware programs and a solid virus protection software. It seems to be running better now. By far, the NT system I used (for me) was the most solid and protected PC.
5. Gateway
I know it's Home edition, but come on. I've got 2 G's of Ram in this thing and the processor speed is over 2Ghz, and it runs Vista like a dog. I really would like to convert the machine over to an XP machine, but don't know if I want to fork over another amount of $$ to install it on the system. It looks nice, but Safari Beta works better than IE. That's not a lie. It's a completely new system, very few installs, clean Vista install and still runs like a 10 year old computer bogged down and never cleaned. Huge disappointment.
And that's my story, I'm sticking to it.
It's all good isn't it? Updates are usually good news no (except Windows ME, but XP was good!).
I just hope they've fixed the airdisk issue. Read/Write speeds drop off substantially for sustained file transfers. Makes the thing crawl and was pretty disappointing.
From what I've read and seen screenshots of, Apple has put the old hierarchal menus back with 10.5.2 (as on option, in addition to stacks). Very fantastic.
Somewhere in there better be the wireless fixes...
(Source - some hackintosh forum)
New issues fixed in this seed:
- CoreData Framework and NSFetchRequest
- AD DS Plug-in
- HLTB Menus
- Memory leak with Rosetta
- X11.app and customized menu commands
- AirPort shared printer fix
- Disk Utility and FAT32
- HFS and allocated space
- Fix to Process Manager and VISE
- NSNavigationServices and NavServices from a Cocoa application fix
- Reprinting Hold jobs and CUPS
- Fixed issue with Text Input Sources
- Mail Message Body Display issues with certain font types
- DAVKit and iCal redirects
- Calendar Store Framework and CalRecurrenceRule fix
- CoreText Font and PUA unicode characters now work correctly
- rsh jobs no longer waits for backgrounded processes to complete
- Fixed issue HLTB and Finder
- Fixed issue with AppleEvents
- ImageIO preiew issue in Finder fixed
- HIClock now accepts user entries
- smb now handles "%" in password field
- Fixed issue with CUPS and reverse page ordering
- NSTableView and special keys now works correctly
- AF_UNSPEC& null address Networking issue fixed
- Resolved issue with Xquartz and CPU cycles
- Fixed exception issue with KeyChainAccess
- Quartz Composer no longer brings up an error when saving a composition
- Fixed ScreenCapture issue
- Addressed issue with Web Content Filter and Parental Controls
- CUPS no longer prints a blank page when 2-up print setting is selected
- CoreData Framework fix to XML data creation
- Fixed Quick Look plug-in loading issue
- Mail to iCal Data Detectors now work correctly
- Fixed issue with Finder and column view
- Core Audio fix now allows empty m4a files to behave correctly
- Fixed horizontal scroll issue with Finder and Spotlight
- Fixed iChat audio issue with fast user switching
- Core Data apps now save correctly when no document changes have been made
- Fixed issue with Firewall customization settings
- Fixed Active Directory binding issue
- NSTable View -selectAll setting now works correctly
- HLTB Dyhmanic Menus now behave correctly
- Resolved issue with HIImageView
- Fixed issue with ATSCreateFontQueryRunLoopSource
- Mail now treats flags correctly
- Fixed day selection issue with NSDatePicker
- Invalid RR queries problem now resolved
- Input issue with NSTokenField fixed
- Archive & Install problem with Sync Services Translators resolved
- Fixed Spotlight issue with arithmetic expressions
- Fixed problem with Podcast Producer and Wiki running via SSL
- HLTB ApplyTHemeBackground memory leak fixed
- Fixed Numbers printing issue with CoreGraphics
- Fixed permissions problem with NFS
- NSManagedObject now implements dictionaryWithValuesForKeys correctly
- Fixed memory leak in CoreData Framework
- Bitmap-only fonts now work correctly in QuickDraw
- Issue with MusicSequenceSaveSMFData fixed
- SMB File Server reboot issue resolved
- Fixed issue where running a MAC application from a NTFS volume may not work correctly
- NSXMLNSNumberTransformerName now handles NSDecimalNumbers correctly
- Addressed issue with ToDo recurrences and iCal Synchronization
- Issue with NSNavigationServices and kNavCBTerminate resolved
- Fix to AppKit and popup menus
- CTFontCreateCopyWithFamily() now works correctly
- Fixed issue with Tamil IM
- Networking issue with records over sockets fixed
- HIShape symbols in HLTB fixed
- Fixed window flicker issue with PrintManager
- NSArrayController and Lazy Fetching issue resolved
- Save PDF to Web Receipts Folder now works correctly when there's a / in the title
- Fixed issue with "Find Next" and the spelling panel
- Issue with NSTreeController resolved
- Resolved issue with local SOCKS proxy and iChat
- Logged iChats now open quickly